I might disagree with this

It's the "acts carried out in a non-professional, non-controlled environment." that they're on about I think... Maybe a few Elfin safety signs around the workshop would help! Wear your hard hat my dear, never know when the chandelier is going to come down on yer 'ed!!

Stephen Eyles

Maybe human but does that mean the 'humans' in Youtube understand EVERYTHING in the world? Of course they don't; they're just programmed to follow Google's tatty standards...

Stephen Eyles

Hi Clive! Is this because you poked a pointy thing through some tin foil? Or could it have been when you poked it into the end of your finger, so maybe that was the bodily injury or harm that you caused? Well, at least it wasn't a bot that decided the fate of the video! Mind you, I'm not familiar with Facebook's methods of deciding what's suitable for full advertising or limited advertising tbh. The video looked ok to me and it almost convinced me to go looking for my old vaping ciggy to do my own break down of the internals for myself. It didn't happen, as you seemed to have covered it pretty convincingly! I'm going to save mine and hopefully in a few years it will be considered an antique and be worth a fortune so I can hand it down to my children as my legacy! 🤣🤣 Thanks for keeping us all well entertained doing what you do! Keep up the good work and stay safe! 🤔🤔🤞🤞🍷👌🌈

In this instance there wasn't even an option for a human review.

Big Clive

Yes, vaping devices use interesting technology, and there's no electrical or electronic device whose inner secrets I don't want to know about. To expand on my previous comment, something like 300 to 500 hours of video gets uploaded to YouTube every minute! Even though they employ as many as 10,000 human reviewers, they must use AI algorithms and blanket rules to be able to process that many uploads. Clive's video was undoubtedly flagged by an algorithm. When he requested a human review, it was probably handled by an overworked human who was given only a few minutes to confirm it was vaping related and pick a response from a list.

Yeah, probably was the vape thing rather than any other aspect of the video. I have some vaping gear but don't use it much because, well, I care more about the batteries and electronics than the liquid.

Of course, the video is fine with me and certainly most of your other viewers. Most likely a contract reviewer was paid a pittance to view the video along with hundreds of others. Having been told to demonetize all vaping-related content, he or she picked some not-quite-applicable boilerplate text from a list. YouTube exists to sell advertising, not to provide an open platform, so they will do what they need to do to accommodate advertisers who have told them they don't want their ads to appear on certain types of content.

"state"

Mike Page

What a load of old Nanny state nonsense. Stuff like this exists in the real world the teardown did not include any advertising or recommendation of the product itself. Adults can choose not to watch this if they wish.

Matthew Beddow

I got one too. It was one of the hero-wars game type adverts.

Big Clive

I dunno you often cut yourself demolishing cheap chinesium perhaps they think it's some sort of s&m thing? Maybe you should get blue nitrile gloves when dissecting electronics to take out the bugs?

Michael Wellman

Human reviewer😅

Cerity

Fight it all the way..

Belgrath

Human review? Ha! It's probably just tier 2 "AI".

Tom Scott

You “might disagree”? 🤔😂 I love you Clive. You keep doing what you do. It’s perfect. Please don’t ever become a “professional” with suits in charge.

Kuba Sunderland-Ober

Their human review work is some kafkaesque scary shit. An absurdly dehumanizing environment, with everything staked so that you can’t do your job right (as a reviewer). It’s only done to check off some boxes in a corporate lawyer’s list “see your honor we paid for 10,000 hours of human review this month”. They might have as well paid this money to city garbage collectors. Everyone would get more out of it at least!

Kuba Sunderland-Ober

And yet the fish-o-cutor which actually resulted in death was OK?

You know, claiming that someone is "non-professional" seems like dicey ground, given they have no-way of knowing what professional qualifications someone has.

Chris Crowther

Will they allow Ralfie to visit you in gaol?

I can imagine whenever you open a plastic casing with a screwdriver it can be seen as physical harm or distress (I often flinch and worry for your fingers, lol). That's not even related to vaping.

ah got to love a good algorithm... far 'better' than a Mk I Eyeball. But their advertising policy seems to whack ads on the front of practically every video these days - even channels that aren't meeting in the monetisation threshold.

Rik Kershaw-Moore

Buy a white lab coat and a crash test dummy, become professional. Lol. Do you get a list of advertisers show with your videos?

Tokkan FX

When I recently watched it again for my comments above, I had to sit through 2 ads at the start. Managed to skip the 2nd one - but some advertisers obviously like to be associated with this vid.

Ymir the Frost Giant

I am pretty sure youtube makes a lot of money off content that is actually what it misdescribed yours as.

Based on what I see elsewhere the "human reviewer" doesn't exist, another youtuber I follow had several weeks of back and forth on a video that was flagged for violence I think but contained nothing of the sort. He finally resorted to a turing test to see if he was actually talking to a human (something like "if you're a human use the word Petunia in the next email"), surprise! he wasn't, several more weeks of back and forth and he got to an actual human...

Jrandom Bob

That's some bull shit right there! Lol

Hahahahaha

I think Facebook is completely run by algorithm. I've reported a couple of obvious scams (Samsung TV for $3 anyone?) and every time Facebook book has come back with no, it doesn't go against our standards.

Graeme Hart

fecking crazy. 😡 your not a danger to anyone (torys dont count)

DC Allan

0 dislikes... so I wonder why the reviewer didn't dislike it? Is he not allowed to vote thumbs up or down? Are our votes meaningless and weightless then?

Ymir the Frost Giant

Update - just re accessed the vid via your email notification. 959 views (now 960) 154 likes (now 155) 0 dislikes (still 0). Says it all.

Ymir the Frost Giant

Maybe the reviewer thought it should have been done in an armor plated fume cabinate while wearing fluorescent clothing, eye protection, and steel toe caps.

We might as well have govts voted in by just one voter. How can one single reviewer, whoever they are and however they do it, determine the fortunes of a video? I would demand a 'retrial' by a group of reviewers chosen at random. Oh I forgot - how many thumbs up and down did it get? That'd tell us something - or at least it would if I could find the vid - it isn't listed in your VIDEOS tab now. Good job that same guy didn't see your Zombie Chopper vid. Lastly, Clive, it really beggars belief that someone whose whole career has been spent ensuring the safe control and operation of potentially very dangerous public displays for clients such as Disney can be snubbed so ignorantly.

Ymir the Frost Giant

It's the modern take on a classic bureaucracy: the death by a thousand algorithms. Well, plus the miserably unhappy tattletales who are desperately afraid that someone, somewhere, is having fun without permission.

Charles

You could do it naked, claiming that to be a protected religious practice.

adrian

Load of expletives. Or utter Tosh as my mum would say.

Jeremy Travis

I would agree, except the humans they employ for these purposes are likely to be uninformed, inadequately educated and minimally waged. Not a jury of your peers.

adrian

What a f@#$king joke! you need to take the human reviewer out and deal with them in a controlled environment...

Richard Boyce

To be honest, we watch <b>YouTube</b> BECAUSE it's a non-professional, non-controlled environment. Professional, controlled people don't have much need for user-generated videos. So are Youtube questioning their own raison d'etre ?

adrian

Clive, you should have done the tear down in the explosion containment pie pan. That is a controlled environment.

This might be a malicious viewer report under the harm category.

Chris

Perhaps you could have called the video. F@*k you, YouTube, you are a pack of c*nts. Back to my vaping, alcohol and electronics.

TopEndSpoonie

A complaint was probably lodged by the Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Vaping Devices and another from PETA demanding that the vaping device get a share of the You Tube income.

Anita Davis

Well I disagree: "Content showing (...) physical harm or distress" When did this happen?

Johan Siegers

I support you and others via The Big P here *because* it lets you get out from under YouTube's stupidity. Good lord - we watch you BECAUSE it's a non-professional, non-controlled environment!!!

Peter Laws

a human reviewer.... fuck human reviewers

it makes no sense unless a manufacturer brought some pressure to bear oh wait it could be You Tube are just thick.

fight them all the way. you work hard to create content as do many others. they cant see past the end of their noses. if a human really did watch it, then they would notice that you arent interested in what it is, just how it works.

You need to get a certificate showing you are a professional vape disassembler. Then cover the device in bondage gear to show it is a controlled environment.

Mark Trombley

I've tried bending words in the past and it still got detected.

Big Clive

The world is just getting crazier; ensure diversification from their grasp Clive

RDM

I wonder if the algorithm would pick up on "manually actuated fog machine"

Dory Goldberger

What bollocks is this review , Clive.... Disagree with that..,

"might" Suggests you aren't certain? Heisenberg had a theory about that 🤣

Mark Holder

Oddly, I've been sent invites from YouTube to have a partner manager and every time I respond there's no further communication. I think it might be because of my location on the Isle of Man being alien to their system.

Big Clive

Patreon is especially helpful to most science and technology channels where there's no way to avoid an element of danger in most technical tasks.

Big Clive

I guess this sort of thing shows why the likes of Patreon is so important to content producers like BC

2 things come to mind here: 1- The wording is generic, meaning it's likely part of a selection and the reviewer had to select something. That video likely doesn't fit anything in the available choices and the reviewer had to chose something close enough. Thus I'd not attach too much value to the exact words used. 2- Clive, don't you have an YT Partner contact you can escalate with? Worth asking nicely if they can revisit their choice. That said if you got "limited ads" on it, it's better than entirely unmonetized. I personally don't think the video is more "dangerous" than any other teardown. IMHO there's a huge moral taboo here due to the association of "potentially modifying a _vaping_ device" (and we think of it from an advertiser point of view, that combo could piss off a number of conservative-conscious advertisers, so "limited ads" is not bad here). Besides that, I have no sympathy for folks who replied here and called the reviewer names such as "retard". Be mad at the system, sure, not the individual who's just doing whatever s/he was taught to do. Anecdote: I've been temporarily a manual video reviewer in the silicon valley (not YT) years ago. Goal was to train an automatic pron-detection algorithm. I lasted exactly 2 hours before calling it quits. I had never seen some much crap of so much bad taste, it was worse than disturbing.

Raphaël

I did start that video by declaring that it was purely a technical video.

Big Clive

YouTube does have in-house terminology for the different types of people trying to prevent progress. That includes the organised groups who orchestrate attacks on individuals and services to give themselves a sense of importance. I doubt Google predicted people like this appearing in the future as YouTube evolved.

Big Clive

I think the reviewer may not have a technical clue as to what they are looking at and by default makes the decision that this may be electrically dangerous for the average guy in the street AND it’s a vaping device to boot.

Rob Googe

Keep in mind that they are constantly being bombarded from all directions by contrarians who want anything good shut down to appease their venomous needs.

Big Clive

Not agreeing with YouTube but, do you think if you put a disclaimer before video saying something like “I am a professional and know what I’m doing, don’t try this at home” would have any effect? Perhaps they’re trying to be more like traditional television? I always remember Mythbusters have a similar disclaimer before the show.

c

Just to put things in perspective: it's easy to see YT / FB / Twitter as arbitrary, however we must realize they are a bunch who have found they are _held_ accountable (via lawsuits or other means of pressure) and try their best to defend _their_ business proactively. On one hand there are lot of people who are dumping crap on these sites, and then on the other hand there are a lot of people who are holding them accountable for having that crap. It's a really a lose-lose situation. If they do nothing it's pissing off someone, and if they do something it's always going to piss off someone else. And I'm just talking of the viewers. Now add to that the advertisers who ideally would also want to have a choice on which videos their ads are associated with. Everyone wants the best from their point of view and violently dismisses others, ignoring it can only work if it's an overall compromise. Can't please everyone at once.

Raphaël

That review is describing itself... It's non-professional.

Scott Miller

I've a sneaky feeling it may be something to do with the money-men and their dwindling tobacco market. They HATE vaping.

Big Clive

What a load o' shite from Fascist-tube!

Ross Robertson

As a vaper of some 9yrs now, I have seen the "clamping down" in full effect over the years... Personally I think the current "restrictions" on nicotine, nicotine 'containing' devices &amp; anything to do with vaping, however tenuous the link are a complete shitshow but as you have said in videos prior Clive, "Gotta think of the children" 🤷‍♂️

Michael Sutheran

I would but then I'm an argumentative old bugger that is always in trouble

Mark Holder

Clearly you must be some type of wizard to these people. They are frightened of you because they clearly don’t understand..

Lostngone

Maybe you should do a really "dangerous" video with "DANGER DANGER" flashing on the screen all the time and ad snippets of the Lost in Space robot yelling "Danger Will Robinson"

Tim Albers

(But there's a dark catch: YouTube could stop paying you. Then you'd stop being a professional. Then they'd be justified in not paying you)

PeteyPak

You do this for money, therefore it is your profession. That's not word-play that's a direct literal definition. I used to interview "professional" photographers, trust me, skill level and equipment used varies a lot, the only thing that matters, to have the title "professional", is whether you've made money off it to support yourself. And YouTube is the one normally paying you. So they should know better. You should challenge on grounds of basic logic.

PeteyPak

If it even was a human reviewer and not a program, I bet they get tons of shit for not blacklisting that one video and nothing for giving the axe on perfectly legit stuff so they just click ban and forget.

I wouldn't be quite as harsh as that. The human reviewers probably have to smash their way through thousands of instant assessments a day, and many will not appreciate the technical content of the video.

Big Clive

I find YT ruling ludacris I loved your video in fact I love all your videos Thanks Clive.

I keep it short. YT employees are morons. Message adjusted to be less offensive. One shouldn't write angry messages while drunk... :-) @Big Clive - your reply is still valid though ;-)

Zeedijk Mike

Yeesh, "non-professional" as a qualifier makes me worry for the future.

Thomas Kinsey

YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and the likes are a bunch of unaccountable winkers who have decided they are the arbiters of what is, and isn't acceptable. Feck them off Clivey. Find a new home.

&gt; Human review Curse you humans!?! You may want to let this one lie, rather than get into a fight with someone who ‘buys ink by the barrel’

Snorkers

I mean.. I haven’t watched the video yet, just logging in to do so now, but it seems like a win to me and not a fail ;) Youtube and facebook couldn’t professionally find their way out of a wet paper sack and so just want to legislate the disbursement of wet paper sacs.

Problem is the reviewer has only a small segment of the video where the AI has picked up on certain words or objects then the reviewer only gets to see a small segment with a couple of yes no questions and some of the questions are hard to answer as ambiguous. So you feel trapped sometimes. Clive should appeal Problem is it is assessed by AI first to get in front of a human is hard but being persistent works to get a human.

N. Shaun Tremayne

The key complaint is showing physical harm or distress which you did not do. Challenge it and all for confirmation of the harm or distress. You won't get a reply to that, but at least you can ask.

Pixscotland

A-HA ! We need AVE-like stickers: "This is a controlled environment", "No humans or felines were harmed in the making of this video", "Trained professional in charge; Back off".

Carlos Capriotti

Haha, you got told by Youtube AI. It has to be true. "Non-professional" ... coffee across my keyboard now, thanks for sharing. Notice, how much they trust their almighty algorithms, they need to make clear it was reviewed by a human. LOL

Peter Stimpel

It's not like you put a nail through it and started a fire ... this time.

William Wallace

Goddamn nanny state! We should leave everything to private companies and the free marketplace of ideas instead of having our speech limited by unaccountable bureaucrats!!! Oh, no, wait...

horrovac

This namby pamby approach is begginning to get beyond a joke now. WTF is wrong with people these days- they get offended at the slightest thing- really pisses me off! People vape ffs- I don;t, but I smoked for 40 years and I still fancy a cigar now and again- people need to get a f'kin life instead of trying to impose their limp handshake way of life on the real peope. who have live through trauma and survived!

Mike Hughes

To be fair, I do sometimes do that too.

Big Clive

Yeah, I call BULLSHIT on that one. Hell, you explicitly said it was in no way a promotion for vaping. Some nanny individual saw the thumbnail and decided he/she new best.

Peter Stevens

This is correct, actually. I remember an article (or YouTube video maybe?) posted not too long ago about the sheer volume of reports that YouTube has to investigate, and the comparatively few - even fewer now, likely - people that exist to review them. I believe the average was three seconds to review a video, which could have almost an hour of content.

David K

I think the only offensive video I have ever seen you do Clive was when you drew the cock and balls on the back of your left hand in permanent marker lol. That one didn't get demonitised. Keep 'em coming big guy.

Chris Muncy

'acts carried out in a non-professional, non-controlled environment.' LOL I did some of that today.

That's not a knife...

This is UTTER BULLSHIT. While this video was clearly educational, YouTube happily allows content farms with billions of views to show off fake "life hacks" that have literally lead to kids killing themselves when trying to replicate them. If a channel can show a "life hack" of soaking strawberries in pure bleach to turn them white, with no disclaimers or even words is allowed, there's zero reason this should be called harmful.

Brooks Andersen

I'm sorry Clive that's ridiculous, I'm not easily offended but I have watched 100's of your videos now, and not once saw anything upsetting. I mean you go as far to wear gloves when you get a wound or otherwise, you offer very professional and educational content, I wish there was another platform we could all use that doesn't cater to snowflakes, I'd really like to see your inner AVE especially more vids with a few drinks with your brother, I just know you'd be a riot if you didn't have to worry about somehow causing harm reverse engineering a circuit.

It appears I can't. That was a human review that can't be challenged.

Big Clive

crazy probably some do good et sitting on the panel for all of one second

Gavin Gilmore

What complete utter nonsense.

Charles Bruckner

I wonder what kind of "magic" they've smoked while writing this review....

If you have Twitter, tweet @teamyoutube, I've had more luck dealing with them as well as appealing

It's Bollocks!

Dr Andy Hill

I see a flaw in their argument.

Dr Andy Hill

Wow - I hate smoking with a passion, but not only did that video not make me want to smoke (or vape) any more than I did before - I even found the innards of that thing interesting... Now to figure out what that reviewer smoked...

Leak

There are literally thousands of YouTube videos showing correct and *incorrect* teardown methods, Heck Dave Jones uses a monster knife to open packages. I find that you *ALWAYS* warn people of potential danger when opening packaging and when handling capacitors and circuits with line voltage or greater. Not sure what the negative reviewer was specifically thinking of

Henry Becker

I would dispute it 100%

James

W…wha?!?

Gareth Molyneux

My guess is that the human reviewers may have approximately one second to review and mark each video,

Big Clive

Looking forward to the followup rant about this :)

LibC

wtf

LibC