I'm not sure I'll release this video
Added 2024-12-02 21:39:21 +0000 UTCIt's about a company called Carillion (now thankfully gone) and how they weaponised "safety" to the point I stopped accepting work in the construction industry.
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Carrillion , Kier, Interserve, and now the Hs2 Matriarchy BBV are all the same buddy, On Hs2 the safety officers now use Binoculars to spot you take your hat off to scratch your head.... They'll walk past dangers but instead of making sure the danger is put right they just report in thus leaving you in danger only to pistol whip later.... But yet its all very amazing when a job is holding others up the safety rules are quickly forgotten about and Backs are turned away.??.... A Method Statement had to be rewritten because a small two foot wall was between a access vehicle and a job in question... Because there was no mention of what equipment would be used to get over it !!!!!
Julian Butler
2025-01-19 11:43:24 +0000 UTCIt’s a tough line to draw. Down here in NZ we still have heaps of people dying in jobs like construction and it used to be worse until laws were changed that made it so company directors could be held personally liable if appropriate safety gear and training was not provided AND a culture of using it was not present. This has certainly helped but you still end up with far too many deaths. There is also a clause where company directors aren’t personally liable if those things above are present and the worker still decided to put themself into a dangerous situation. That seems to stop the worst of the box ticking exercises and instead focus effort on the useful stuff like actually building a safety culture. I can certainly sympathise with your example as it can be a right pain in the ass when process is followed in a cargo cult fashion. It’s part of why I’m always drilling into the people I work with that process should get in our way when it stops us from doing stupid stuff. But if it’s getting in our way when it’s stopping us from doing reasonable stuff then it’s time to change the process or even get rid of it. I was even able to build that culture in a company that wrote heavily regulated medical software.
James
2024-12-17 06:43:15 +0000 UTCEmpathise with your frustration- same thing has happened in healthcare - quality nazis now more concerned with nurses ticking boxes than looking after patients
John
2024-12-14 22:06:39 +0000 UTCI think you should tell this to everyone about this.... You broke out might help others to get out also
Jason R
2024-12-11 00:10:48 +0000 UTCIn the climate where our society is currently lodged, I think its important that information like this is presented.
Christopher Phillips
2024-12-05 15:19:19 +0000 UTCBack in my college days, we had the catwalks shut down down entirely half way through an lighting install in the theater, due to an offhand comment by an engineer that was planning the entire space remodel that the catwalk grating was installed in the wrong orientation. On a Friday night a little over a week before we had a show open,the risk management dept taped off the catwalks, leaving us wit light hung but not focused..... and being a Friday night, even the professors couldn't get an answer as to the reasoning. Everyone that routinely went up into the catwalk knew about the issue, and the solution in place was to not have more than 1-2 people within an span at a time. They did offer to send over a facilities maintenance employee to go up on out scaffold to focus those lights, but anyone who's worked with an inexperienced lighting crew knows each light takes 4-6x as long as with an experience person(2-3 minutes vs 15 minutes, which when dealing with 1000 light adds up)
Dustin S Cochran
2024-12-04 03:41:11 +0000 UTCWhere I work just put in place a mandate for all customers to wear high viz, hardhat, safety glasses, ect; after a brown-=noser backed a pickup up into a space much closer than the 15' vehicle spacing. The door on one of out trucks came loose and smashed into that guys truck, and 2 seconds earlier would have taken out the customer... I'm not really sure what good a high viz vest of hard hat would so when a 1000lb door comes swinging in the direction of the customer. The brown noser didn't even get a write up.... One of the other guys that works up there said he saw at least 6 violations of the rules watching the video. With the entire half thought out baler setup put in in the last few months due to a conveyor failure, I rip my hair out daily....
Dustin S Cochran
2024-12-04 03:30:09 +0000 UTCI work construction as an Electrician in Canada, and my jaw literally dropped when you mentioned that step ladders were forbidden. We always have 4, 6, and 8 foot stepladders in every trucks, and the shop can send us 10, 12 and 14 ones if needs be. And honestly, I'd say ladder related incidents are extremely are even when every one on site is using one. Sometimes, they really go overboard with regulations in the name of safety.
ChuckZilla
2024-12-03 20:15:18 +0000 UTCYou're hired!
Andre Rohr
2024-12-03 19:17:19 +0000 UTCOh and im now a year later still not ladder certified 😆.
Cookie
2024-12-03 14:32:55 +0000 UTCI work for a big german company building controllunits for turbines (company starts with S and is also often found in fuseboxes). My first job there was to test if the contractor has put in the correct relays and wiring, so mostly 24v stuff and continuity checks. But since my boss was also the savetyguy of the department, I had a week of savety training. At that point I've already worked in that industry for half a decade, including high voltage.
Cookie
2024-12-03 14:30:58 +0000 UTCAnd if it get´s scetchy... It gets done by my self.
Spook´s Wood
2024-12-03 12:29:37 +0000 UTCCarillion even had their own training branch "bluesky?" to upskill labourers with a slideshow.
Big Clive
2024-12-03 12:29:08 +0000 UTCHello Clive, thank you for the review of why you no longer work in this field. I thought it would be bad in my country, but apparently not at all... So the United Kingdom is not an option for me. Sadly. For more than 10 years I have worked as a technical director and technician in a small public theater that is run by the municipality. I try to find a good middle ground on this topic in everyday working life. To be honest: if I implemented all the occupational safety measures, we would never get to a performance. My colleagues and I hold a safety briefing every year or, if something happens out of the ordinary, booked technicians hold a shortened safety briefing. Everyone knows the rules in the area of occupational safety. Everything is rather low-key here, pleasant and well communicated. I get involved when things get absolutely stupid. And, yes the thing with ladders and scaffolding... the way you described it in that situation would have been perfectly fine for me... You have to adapt to the situation! And, yes in the last 13 years we have not had a bad accident. Just the normal cuts und bruses of normal stagework. CU all Live
Spook´s Wood
2024-12-03 12:08:29 +0000 UTCI had this at my job. They made me a team manager/captain, but I understand only computers, not people. It's a miracle I'm still married.
Paul Schuur
2024-12-03 11:00:19 +0000 UTCLuckily all companies I worked had certified us with the slide show (repeated every year) so when we went to sites we could use our steps & hop ons up to 3m. We could not lend them which made us feel like assholes unless it was a more liberal sites. Even on tighter sites we had to repeat the slide show & even work in 3's. Been to jobs not completed due to HSE with idiots scratching heads on how should they get it done. Then saying could not afford the equipment to do the job safely until I phoned around to bang heads to get it done or do it myself!!!!!! I moved into commissioning & maintenance early as pay used to be better. Corrillion got prosecuted multiple times in the early 2000's for HSE failures. Plus they had the biggest fine & costs around £200,000 for serious injury or death as well. I have worked on Corrillion sites for commissioning which was a nightmare as quality or not to our company spec was an issue. Probably all due to Corrillion up skilling to save costs. I have worked for two companies which were a bit lapse & other employees thought I was a bit odd but you only have one life, so be sensible! No I am not anal about HSE, just sensible & climbing trusses with lights in hand is not an issue!
N. Shaun Tremayne
2024-12-03 09:08:29 +0000 UTCI know exactly how you felt- having come up against total arseh0les with clean hi vis, and white helmets who think they know it all. I would recommend however that you keep this to just patreon, as you never know what some former managers of carrilion might litigate(Libel for example)
Mike Hughes
2024-12-03 06:41:07 +0000 UTCDefinitely not. I'm not very good at managing people.
Big Clive
2024-12-03 02:29:52 +0000 UTCClive you should be a manager.
Mike Page
2024-12-03 02:01:38 +0000 UTCThe content is fine, but there's always that unknown with YouTube's 'algorithm' when it comes to releasing content that doesn't match your usual target audience.
Mark Gray
2024-12-03 00:02:26 +0000 UTCI've had a few instances like this with an over zealous facilities manager at a place I used to run the IT helpdesk at. I almost walked out of that job because of him.
Binky
2024-12-02 22:57:00 +0000 UTCI see no reason to not publish it. The company is bust, so no problems with naming them, and I think that it may also empower some people to call out the BS and walk off the job for their own piece of mind and reputation. Go for it.
TopEndSpoonie
2024-12-02 22:43:23 +0000 UTCHealth and safety folk are literally just looking for ways to justify their existence - a lot of the rules are pointless and defeats productive work. One day, the health and safety boards will be filled with actual retired workers, instead of pencil pushers... Besides that, I'd recommend uploading this video; it's a good example of the overly-scrutinous HnS industry.
Sam Gent
2024-12-02 22:43:06 +0000 UTCSeems like a very familiar tale, and very similar in defence (navy).... At least it is with the big firms. As a serviceman you can still tell the companies to go f@*k themselves and carry on as they can't sack you (it's your ship and they don't employ you)......luckily a ship at sea is free from over safety..... But very glad for the levels we do have.
Ben Kern
2024-12-02 22:08:03 +0000 UTCIt's exactly what is happening in the rail sector now, people who have never worked on site making up BS safety rules to justify their pay
Rich Nixon
2024-12-02 22:00:59 +0000 UTCIt seems fine to me. Or do you feel like it is better to keep this video Patreon only? That would be fine with me.
Frank
2024-12-02 21:55:34 +0000 UTC
