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Jessica Jones: A.K.A. WWJD? [1x08] β¦ Watchalong Reaction & Review
Added 2024-07-27 16:15:24 +0000 UTCOH MY GOD?????? ππππ
In my review, I couldn't remember what is coming next in the watch order. π We'll be continuing the "dark" stuff with Daredevil S2 before starting Luke Cage S1 and then bouncing back to Agents of SHIELD with S3. [Direct link here.]
Anywhooooooo let's talk about this, gahd damn.
β¦ KL
Comments
I can't remember specifically what I said in this episode to prompt you to comment this. Perhaps it was showing empathy for Kilgrave. I very much understand that real life is not black-and-white and people do not fit neatly into boxes based on X/Y/Z. Def appreciate your take!
kaiielle
2024-10-18 02:27:20 +0000 UTCA bit late, but only just watching. It's not a good idea to try and compare the idea that other who have had bad things are good. It's jsut the same concept as saying there are people who have been abused who don't get ptsd and/or depression, so those with ptsd and/or depression who were abused can't justify it. The human brain is a mess, there will be people who have had the most perfect and amazing childhoods who have depression, mental issues, or personality disorders beyond the comprehension of nearly everyone. And there will be people who have gone through types of hell that are also beyond the comprehension of nearly everyone, who are more or less perfectly well adjusted and good. Of course on average traumatic and abusive upbringings will massively increase the chances of having issues though, and it could be anything. The issue with the show, is that is brings in a "supernatural" element. So he was tortured and abused, had no parental upbringing, and on top lives an entirely different existence alien to the entire rest of the species - all the way to the very core of what it means to be human. It's supposed to be an allegory for various aspects of control and abuse, which is fine and works on a surface level. But Killgrave cannot be judged by that real life example, and even that real life example is more complicated than "good and evil". Evil doesn't exist, just different types of human (animals) brains developed in different ways. My maybe strange take on it at least,
MichaelB
2024-10-18 02:20:16 +0000 UTCCompletely agreed on your last point.
kaiielle
2024-10-09 19:58:29 +0000 UTC"I'm not delusional" Uhuh, good one. Sure you're not. Jesus this episode was creepy. I didn't enjoy Kilgrave imagining what Jessica was up to at 14. That said, that fingerpoint Kilgrave did as if to say "good call!" when Jessica called him a disgusting psychopath or what she said to make Trish believe he wasn't controlling her made me laugh really hard. I guess I'm not immune to David either. You know, for a really short time I genuinely might have believed that Kilgrave might become a good person purely because it's what Jessica wants of him. But then that ending happened and I remembered that that's very unlikely.
Pan
2024-10-09 19:38:33 +0000 UTCThis was a hard watch. And not just the episode. You were so distressed and uncomfortable watching it, it was a little difficult watching you react. The moments we spent at Hogarthβs divorce proceeding or with Trish were welcome reprieves. And KL you visibly relaxed in those moments. For most of the episode you didnβt even do your trademark sway, very clearly unsettled. Weβd been building to the reveal of the inside of the house for a couple of episodes and once we see the inside all we want is out. I like how they used the house and triggered memories to explore Jessicaβs past, which would naturally occur in that situation. We learned Jessica had a brother and his height wasnβt marked on the wall after age 10, then we see why she carries so much guilt. But she chooses to care about people. Whether she wants or not. I agree with what you said after seeing Kilgraveβs own trauma exposed, many people have rough experiences in childhood but itβs not an excuse for the choices made as an adult. I first knew David Tennant as the affable Doctor in Doctor Who. Seeing him here (again, this is a rewatch for me) in Jessica Jones really shows his acting chops because I despise him. Such a versatile actor. And genuinely nice guy, I met him a few years ago. I found your question of what would we do if we get a redemption style arc for Kilgrave thought provoking. Iβm curious, do you really think thereβs a way to soften your opinion of him? If so, what would it take for you to not see Kilgrave as an abusive psychopath (my words)? Another question for you. If you were former military police officer and a past victim of Kilgrave, in active pursuit of the man and someone approached you with a bag and said Kilgrave told her to give it to you, would you look in the bag? Knowing the bomb you left behind the day before was unaccounted for? If I have any nitpick of the episode itβs that moment. Just, run man, geez. Otherwise, a well acted, well paced, but very unsettling episode. Think Iβll take a shower now so I can feel clean again and sleep tonight.
Bryan Dempsey
2024-07-29 03:16:09 +0000 UTCI absolutely do not defend anything that Kilgrave has done...but I also feel sorry for him and truly believe that it isn't all his fault. We all know a kid (if not currently, then at some point in the past) who was failed by their parents through a lack of discipline. Even parents who don't discipline their kids and let them be entitled little assholes will still draw the line at some point (or society will)...but imagine the most obnoxious, ill-behaved brat that you can think of...and now imagine how much worse they would be if there was no one who COULD tell them 'no' and correct them. He didn't have a chance at being normal because there was no one to teach him how to be and no one able to discipline him...even the police. Also, they kinda made it a joke with the whole telling a guy to screw himself thing...but imagine a kid with those powers and not having a) the knowledge of how to control it b) the wisdom to choose his words carefully. How many times did you tell someone "leave me alone" as a child? How would you have felt if every time you said that, by the time you were ready to see them again they couldn't be found because they were compelled to obey the request? All things considered, while he's still a terrible guy, I think we're lucky that he is as well-adjusted as he is. Imagine a world where Kilgrave walks into Congress and controls them all into making a law that he is the President for life. He's as cruel, capricious, and self-serving as a kid with a magnifying glass standing over an ant hill on a sunny day...but we're lucky that his ambition is fairly childlike as well. He wants food, shelter, safety, and (despite not understanding the meaning of it) love... I'm glad he thinks relatively small.
Rat MacKay
2024-07-28 11:25:09 +0000 UTCCreepy vs romantic is subjective and women especially use their level of attraction to the guy to gauge that.
Christopher simeon
2024-07-28 03:16:57 +0000 UTCIt is great to look at a villain's motivations and a bit more on Jessica's past. Your thoughts on Bad turning Good and Good turning Bad is so true. Kilgrave is a product of his upbringing in the worst way and I am reminded of Ward in AOS as well. We all have choices to make once we reach adulthood. No matter how tragic your backstory is you can not let it dictate your actions later in life. You make a choice to accept what happen and that it is apart of you then you use that to make yourself better not the same or even worse.
Christopher simeon
2024-07-27 22:34:07 +0000 UTCWow, okay, a lot to go over in this episode. First thing I want to point out is that Kilgrave says she's not a prisoner and she can choose what she wants to do, if she wants to stay. But multiple times he puts the fate of two innocent people's lives on her head. If she didn't get Kilgrave back within two hours, the cooks would have to carve each other's faces. They were forced to not blink until Jessica returned from her walk. So really Jessica never had a choice, he just framed it to seem like she did. But Jessica's experience and wit helped her see through his bullshit. The next thing is the reveal that there's even more to Jessica's story which helps build a comparison/contrast between Jess and Kilgrave. Jessica was the cause of her family dying in a car accident. Jessica's taken in by Trish's mom. Jessica had to watch Trish get taken advantage of by a leech mother as a young child actress. Jessica is put under mind control by Kilgrave who forced her into bed and to do things she didn't want to do, which he painted as a good memory by staying in five star hotels and going to the best restaurants. Kilgrave on the other hand grew up in a laboratory, was experimented on, spinal tapped, all that wonderful stuff. Wildly different childhoods where one didn't appreciate enough and the other had nothing to appreciate. Being shown the worst of humanity from basically birth probably would install a filter early in your mind that if your own parents weren't good then nobody's good. Kilgrave must have believed that everyone had their own secret agenda and was out there hurting others. So he decides to turn the tables early and take his revenge on all of humanity because he didn't know where his parents disappeared to. It kind of reminds me of the tactic some boxers use where they direct their anger into imagining their opponent is the one person that caused them harm in their past. Maybe kilgrave sees his parents in everybody so that he doesn't have to feel guilty about hurting people. Doesn't excuse it by any means, but I love the layers that we're getting to both Kilgrave and Jessica. So, now, the question has to be asked, why of all the people in the world, why fall for Jessica? Where did they meet initially? Why did he become attached to her so completely? I do agree with your statement that other people have had shitty childhoods but they didn't turn out to be shitty people. However, not many other kids can claim that they were experimented on and their parents sanctioned the experiments. But on the other hand, 11 from Stranger Things grew up in a laboratory and she's the sweetest girl you'll ever meet π It's interesting how Jessica and kilgrave have wildly different memories of the same events. He sees what he did as taking care of her and having fun with her but Jessica's obviously traumatized because she was being controlled the whole time and had no choice in the matter. Which circles back to that whole "framing things a certain way". I don't think deep down kilgrave is completely evil. Obsessive and paranoid and angry, sure absolutely, but not completely evil. If he was completely evil he wouldn't bother trying to convince himself that things happen a certain way to avoid feeling the guilt. If he was completely evil he would just admit that he did these things and he wouldn't give a rat's ass who he hurts. But he said multiple times in this episode that he has to painstakingly choose how he says things. If he were completely evil, he wouldn't bother with how he chooses to say things. He would just do it for the fun of it. I think deep down he has that small desire to want to be like everyone else but the majority of him still holds on to that hatred that he has for his parents and projects it onto the rest of humanity. For whatever reason, Jessica seems to be his anchor. Maybe we'll find out next episode why he has such an obsession with her, I'm sure it'll be revealed before the end of the season, it's been so long since I've actually sat and watched this all the way through that I've forgotten how the last half goes. But can you imagine someone with kilgrave's power actually using it for good? Ultron was a sentient AI so I doubt you could just tell it to shut off but it would be hilarious to just walk up to Thanos and tell him to go home and stop his conquest and then he does what you say π I understand on some level the need for control because his childhood was a complete loss of control. I understand Jessica's desire to make things right because she doesn't feel like she deserves Redemption but helping people eases the pain a little bit. I am so sorry that I rambled in circles for so long but this episode really got the analyzing part of my brain going and I love trying to figure out why people are the way they are and what makes people do the things that they do. It's like how Harley Quinn says in the first Suicide Squad that she needs a brain to dissect because she's generally bored with everything else. What people do is the boring part. What past event that causes people to do what they do, now that's interesting!
Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary
2024-07-27 20:38:12 +0000 UTCLook at Kilgrave turning over a new leaf, Iβm sure if he asked Nick Fury, heβd let him join the Avengers. (Sarcasm sort of, Fury wouldnβt have a choice π) This episode was so good and jacked up. Poor Jessica having to mingle with her victimizer was like watching a nightmare. Something important I saw here was Kilgrave thinking that getting Jessica nice things, and fancy places to eat made it consensual. I think this is how a lot of abusers think as well and use it for rationalization, which it is not.
Ray H
2024-07-27 18:24:56 +0000 UTCOne of my favorite episodes of the season...if no other reason that it's almost purely Jessica and Kilgrave interacting. The flashbacks of Jessica and her family are also fantastic. I love Jessica here, putting herself in direct danger, taking charge, and turning all of Kilgrave's bullshit against him. Krysten Ritter is so damn good playing this character (especially if you've ever seen an interview of her, in which she is so not Jessica Jones personality-wise). And Kilgrave...don't love Kilgrave. But do love David Tennant. His Kilgrave is the embodiment of toxic masculinity and entitlement. This show's focus on abuse and the mental trauma that ensues is truly top-notch.
Steve Mercier
2024-07-27 17:43:22 +0000 UTCI think Kilgrave was speaking about how his powers were tortured into him verses others getting them from birth, by accident, or by choice.
Carl Johnson
2024-07-27 17:13:49 +0000 UTCI actually see what Kilgrave did with the house as being romantic. Obviously it being Kilgrave it's very creepy. But if I had a wife that was orphaned and lost her childhood home and I had the wealth to buy it and redecorate it like it was when she was orphaned then I would.
Carl Johnson
2024-07-27 17:12:06 +0000 UTC
