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The Odyssey of Homer: Returning Home (Lecture on Books IX-XVI)

'Don’t try to sell me on death, Odysseus. I’d rather be a hired hand back up on earth, slaving away for some poor dirt farmer, than lord it over all these withered dead.'

Welcome back to the world of Ancient Greece. Our singer of tales for this next portion of the epic is our hero himself. It's time to hear about everything Odysseus endured as he struggled to return home.

Today, as we continue our journey through Homer's Odyssey, we're discussing identity, hero as both no-man and everyman, the meaning of home, revealing character by concealing oneself, the web of fate, descending into the underworld, how to rise again, finding wisdom in pain, and much more.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read these parts of Homer's Odyssey yet. You can enjoy our talk before, during, or after your reading in the way that best suits you.

Timestamps:

0:00 our hero becomes a singer of tales

2:00 where does your story begin?

4:00 Odysseus reveals his identity

6:00 the marauding of the Ciconians

8:00 how many ships are returning home?

10:00 Iliadic vs Odyssean death count

11:00 rebirth symbolism/numerology

12:00 the land of the Lotus-Eaters

14:00 on not forgetting who you are

15:00 utopian travelogue literature

16:00 what makes a land your home?

18:00 what is canon with these stories? 

19:00 who were the Cyclopses?

21:00 who are really the savages here?

22:00 pride is the tragic hero’s fatal flaw

23:00 why Dante put Ulysses in hell

24:00 ironic & dramatic parallelism

25:00 Odysseus vs cyclops Polyphemus

27:00 defining recklessness vs courage

28:00 our hero’s favourite kind of trick

29:00 Odysseus: Noman & Everyman

30:00 deceiving & attacking Polyphemus

31:00 ‘noman is killing me by some trick’

33:00 ‘tell them that Odysseus did it’

34:00 inevitability of fate’s great web

35:00 Poseidon takes revenge for his son

36:00 why I love stories that are slow-burn

37:00 the episode with Aeolus & the wind

38:00 ‘alas, our own folly undid us…’

40:00 Odysseus contemplates ending it

41:00 blown off course when so close to home

42:00 reaching the land of the Lestrygonians 

44:00 meeting the dread goddess Circe

46:00 Homer’s great women characters

47:00 who is telling the story of your life?

48:00 the men are transformed into pigs

50:00 male anxiety of losing masculinity

51:00 relationship of Odysseus & Circe

52:00 our hero as Don Juan precursor

53:00 crew wailing like farmyard calves

54:00 you need to descend in order to rise

56:00 Odysseus down in the underworld

57:00 meeting the ghosts of the departed

58:00 the ancient mythology of Hades

59:00 discourse with the ghost of Elpenor

1:00:00 why we must remember the dead

1:02:00 tragic sacrifice of great journeys

1:03:00 the symbolism of drinking blood

1:04:00 finding wisdom in great pain

1:05:00 consulting the prophet Tiresias

1:07:00 Odysseus talks with his mother

1:09:00 meeting the great heroines of old

1:10:00 ‘the night is young and magical’

1:11:00 meeting Achilles in the underworld

1:13:00 feeling regret when meeting Ajax

1:14:00 ‘most men die once, but you twice’

1:16:00 Circe gives Odysseus guidance

1:17:00 from Sirens to Scylla & Charybdis

1:18:00 do ancient heroes have free will?

1:19:00 choosing the lesser of two evils

1:20:00 the same story we keep telling

1:22:00 devouring the cattle of Helios

1:24:00 Odysseus returns home to Ithaca

1:26:00 no good deed goes unpunished

1:27:00 not recognising one’s native land

1:28:00 why we lose friends along the way

1:29:00 ‘what land have I come to now?’

1:31:00 Athena & Odysseus plot together

1:32:00 royal reversal/beggar king trope

1:33:00 on being judged by your looks

1:34:00 concealing self reveals character

1:35:00 meeting the swineherd Eumaeus

1:37:00 fiction is a lie that tells the truth

1:39:00 the return home of Telemachus

1:41:00 ‘past sorrow can comfort a man’

1:43:00 beggar & king are the same man

1:44:00 father & son are finally reunited 

1:46:00 the moment a boy becomes a man

1:48:00 Odysseus finally reveals himself

1:49:00 how many suitors are they against?

1:50:00 father-son team prepare for blood

1:52:00 assignment for our next discussion

1:53:00 leaving you with a profound question

1:54:00 my thoughts on returning home

1:55:00 the odyssey of becoming a parent

1:56:00 how is your journey going now?

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Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will cover books seventeen to twenty-four of this sublime epic masterpiece. And we will be discussing the climax of the journey this coming weekend.

Now that father and son, Odysseus and Telemachus, are reunited, we're going to discover what fate has in store for those arrogant suitors. So continue bringing yourself to Homer's epic, making notes on any themes or ideas that capture your attention and imagination.

Questions to Consider:

1) Which of the epics do you prefer so far? Homer's Iliad or Odyssey?

2) What does the term homeric mean to you?

3) What ultimately makes a land home?

4) Who is your favourite character from the Odyssey? And which episode from our hero's wanderings resonates the most with you?

5) What words of wisdom do you need to hear on the journey you are on right now? 

And please do share with us your impressions, favourite passages, and striking ideas from the middle of Homer's Odyssey. If this is your first reading, does the epic meet your expectations? If this is a reread, is the experience any different this time around?

Happy reading, everybody!

The Odyssey of Homer: Returning Home (Lecture on Books IX-XVI)

Comments

I put off reading Odysseus because I was saving it to read on a cruise I was taking. I thought it would add to the ambiance of the text especially the repetition of the phrase, “the wine dark sea” in the Lombardo translation. In regards to the question about what it means to go back home, I had this experience a few years ago. I went back to my childhood city after over thirty years of not visiting. I was devastated because I didn’t recognize what it had become. What was once a semi rural small town had become a contemporary,shiny,glossy bustling metropolis. I regreated coming back. It was a challenge to my idyllic childhood memories. I thought of the phrase, you can never go back home. It’s like the proverb that you can never step in the same river twice.

Cynthia Ford

On Odysseus not recognising home and people changing, with the idea of flat and round characters. One reason I’ve always related equally to both styles is because it makes you feel the change in the main character when they meet the flat characters again which can feel relatable. Sometimes people settle down and not change much within a huge period of growth and change for yourself. Say the change between somebody that is 50 to 55, that is retired or is settled with family, it might not be very much compared to somebody that goes from 17 to 22 if they move out, get a job, fall in love, travel etc, like Nestor vs Telemachus within the books time span. I think with the Odyssey we see so many stories within stories that all the characters get to be flat and round at the appropriate times with the Gods being flat and the recurring epithets solidifying character traits but it would be hard to say that you don’t feel the change in the characters from start to finish with the journey they go on and we feel as if we have been to Troy and got lost on the way back as the readers.

Craig Mckissick

Christopher Colby. Just look him up…Homeric chanting in the streets

Gail Rothschild

Wow! Thank you, Gail, this is amazing!

Greg

Look up the interactive “You are Odysseus” project by Laura Jenkins Brown! https://laurajenkinsonbrown.co.uk

Gail Rothschild

Very interesting at the end, where Ben lectures that Odysseus remarries and has a son who ends up killing him with a poison tip of an arrow. I believe this story is told in Circe, which I highly recommend, and the same author wrote Songs of Achilles. Both great stories written by Madeleine Miller. Both books speak of events that occurred in both the Elliot and the Odyssey. The story of Scylla is greatly detailed in Circe.

Marina Barela

I wonder if the life of pi borrowed this technique from the Odyssey! Indeed it is an Odyssey story, isn't it? I never made the connection before. Thank you for pointing out the connection of the stories and also their alternate plots. Wonderful!

Serena J Cavanaugh

I love that Carol! Thank you so much for highlighting it. I almost want to always use it for every bride and bridal shower

Serena J Cavanaugh

Here's the passage I'm going to memorize. Book 6 line 183: "And for yourself, may the gods grant you Your heart's desire, a husband and a home, And the blessing of a harmonious life. For nothing is greater or finer than this, When a man and woman live together With one heart and mind, bringing joy To their friends and grief to their foes. What a lovely wedding wish this would make!

Carol Keller

Just a quick comment as we wait to see if the stork has delivered its precious package yet... I was intrigued by Odysseus' stories and the stories that the villainess in T3M were able to spin so easily. And then when Ben talked about "fiction is a lie that tells the truth," I remembered my ah ah moment towards the end of Life of Pi. After telling the two versions of his story to the insurance inspectors, he asked them: "So tell me, since it makes no factual difference to you and you can't prove the question either way, which story do you prefer? Which is the better story, the story with animals or the story without animals?" So, I ask, which is the better story, the story with the Cyclops and sirens, et al, or the one without? Back to baby watch!!!

debra

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Greg

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Greg

My favourite read of the year too! :)

Valentina

That showed me how callous and heartless the suitors really were. A bunch of thugs and rogues.

Jane

I have finished it. …. I couldn’t put it down towards the end ,I raced through it and it is not even as if it were my first reading of this classic. I think that it’s my favourite read of the year. The lectures , Ben are amazing. Baby news ? We are pacing :).

Jane

Finished this yesterday. One thing that puzzled me is how the suitors all seemed to be friends and allies. There didn't seem to be any rivalry between them - surely they'd want to kill off the competition just as much as they want to kill Telemachus?

Alex


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