Anarcho-Primitivism vs. Scientific Futurism = DFF #377

Ray Kurzweil's wacky sounding ideas actually make sense. I don't believe we could create that technology for at least 1,000 years. Imagine if we could talk to people from 1,000 years in our past and explaining the concept of radiation to them. "It's many types of invisible microscopic waves that can pass through walls. We can make machines that produce and recieve radio-frequency radiation. We can use a microscopic part of water called Hydrogen to ignite a large cylindrical rocket into an orbit around the world. We have countless machines that communicate through that radio radiation to bounce signals all round the world. These signals are a very large number of 1's and 0's that can be reinterpreted into moving images and sound." Sounds fuckin nuts when you break it down.

DownrightSuperb

This episode really spoke to me guys. At the moment I'm very much stuck in the everyday drudgery of life, driven by responsibilities and expectation, with this covid pandemic certainly not helping, a good couple of decades away from the wide-eyed questioning period of my youth. But listening to you guys talk about this took me back to my younger years when questions like these seemed to fill my everyday thoughts. Just listening to you guys ignited a spark, and I'm hopeful again that I can get back to thinking on these matters.

JDTaylor

Loved this episode as a philosophy grad student. I think the guys did a great job articulating the issue. I essepcially liked Scotty's articulation of how the primitivist has a more vicarious experience. Except I don't think the real bad part of technology was really addressed in the dystopian section. Brave New World, 1984, Ferhenheight 451, and their Russian inspiration We (look it up Paul, you might really like it.), are all made possible by technology. The ability to constantly surveil and to use mathematics to fully determine people and society is only made possible by the technology/science. The end result of figuring the perfect equation of human behavior and having the means to enforce people following it "Is nothing" as D-503, the main character of We, says of the perfect life. No thinking, no descions, nothing but just following the ideal automatically and without thought... we also see a similar reduction in the Matrix. The human is figured as merely that which it produces, mere resource, and mere objective property. This is the essence of the technological way of thinking, or, at least, the thinking that is inherent in technology. I think our edge-lord-in-chief, TJ would like Heidegger's essay, "The Question Concerning Technology", as he was heavily influenced by Nietzsche and his personal biography... also has a bit of a Ted Kaczynski or Thoreau vibe too.

John Roso

Amazing intro speech TJ!

Thomas H.

how can tj argue primitivism is less cleanly when he would go so long without a shower that he left scum on the walls in his fucking bathroom????

Kimberly Winters

Really enjoyed this one guys, great topics

Dakota Taylor

Excellent episode. Really enjoyed the amount of effort went in to this. However, your bantersodes and tournament episodes make my cock rock hard.

Ert Schmert

return to monke 1948 edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU

Zebedee Totty

"We're murder monkeys with brains the size of planet"-Paul's Ego. With that said, take our 2 million year old brains and add it to the equation to the most benign advance tech and it spells apocalypse...unless we find a way to rewire our brains with said tech. But even then will it be used maliciously but the few who understand it? Our nature is to conquer and it was always meant to be since the birth of DNA with the purpose of resisting the law of entropy dating back to the first self replicating DNA. At all cost it will do this, from manipulating the first chemical structures in the primordial ooze 3 billion years ago to how monopolies work today. Even herbivores and fauna (peaceful organisism), consume recreate more complex structure to resist entropy. They lack the self destructive efficiency we have through our tech. Take our toys away for the greater good even if it goes against our selfish nature. That's the most evolved stance we can take, or at least in the eyes of our super egos.

Nunya

We are not worth of such a feast and for less what benevolent masters.

Hollis Farnsworth

You stated that there was a flawed premise but failed to actually point out what you mean by that.

Ert Schmert

This conversation has a flawed premise. You want the whatever past that really happened or the idillic future that exists solely in our minds? I pick Star Trek over spear anytime

Tiny Turnip

One of the best episodes so far

topi jalkanen

1) lemme step in line to suck dick about the content change up. I think onion nuggets is a cool way to bring in some fast money while outputting more and covering more diverse stuff than flash fried and these live episodes are great. 2)I'm on team futurist, but I'm not optimistic about it. Our education is ill equipped to it and we're circling around the drain. Will probably destroy ourselves before we reach any kind of utopia. I think technology and automation is wonderful. Biggest problem is the hierarchies inherint to capitalism. Without a change in our mode of production and methods of governance first, these new technologies will just be integrated into the old system to kill us. (Generously assuming again that we didn't kill ourselves before we got there). I think without all this bullshit, the futurist big brained scientists mother fuckers would have more incentive to develop technology compatible with our environment, even in the event it costs us efficiency. We can see now with the internet and copyright law that because of our current systems in place, commodities which now no longer prosess the property of any meaningful scarcity (iformation, data, the 1s and 0s that make up PDFs and video editors), are still treated as if we don't basically already have replicator technology in this regard. We're already a foot in that future, but existing social institutions project thier small minded fuckupedness onto it

hookshot245

Because we're more excited about the content we're making, that helps us prevent burnout.

PESSIMIST PRODUCTIONS

i dug it

Zeaxe

I'm not into this subject matter, but the boys clearly are, and I really appreciate that they are doing stuff that feels fresh and interesting to them lately. Also, the sheer amount of content is amazing, be careful you guys don't burn out!

Edvard Lundgren

Capitalism is the virus, Mr. Smith

PixelCrusader

Awesome!

PESSIMIST PRODUCTIONS

Thanks, glad to hear!

PESSIMIST PRODUCTIONS

We had way more free time in AP societies than we do now

PixelCrusader

This is the most compelling episode of DFF for me, ever. It's been a fun ride, learning things through the lens of my favorite cynical stoners, but if the show started doing more intellectual content like this I would not fucking mind. As a teen I agreed with most of what TJ thought and said, as an adult I do not agree with him or Paul or Scotty nearly as much but I'd still rather be compelled by interesting ideas to which I'm unfamiliar than watch Paul do buzzfeed fucking quizzes.

Nikolas Seamans

Primitive futurism ftw! Steampunk dystopia 2024

Dog With No Collar

If we go backwards, one of the great apes will surpass us, and we'll end up living in their zoos.

Richard Moriarty

Excellent episode!

Just_A_Guy

Paul's base r mine now.

Jonathan Jones

This episode was incredible. Loved it

Max Schwalen

I can already tell this is gonna be a memorable one.

Arsixma

the coca cola dream, you gotta be asleep to believe it

Benjamin Fowler

Tfw no qt japanese dgf to eat broccoli and play video games with

Zeaxe

Speaking of 'third gender', ancient Japan had such a thing as well. Made up of boys, generally between 12-19, one could adopt that social role for their entire life if they chose. There's a great video on it here (right link this time): https://youtu.be/bzG4UOaGy7M

Jack of Tears

Made up my mind. Not going to Mom's funeral. I'll just get drunk, and shoot the empty beer cans out in the backyard with my shotgun. Yeehaw!

Myth Odiir

Don't wanna take the 2 minutes to make a twitter to be unbanned?.. Then you're gonna probably stay banned lmao

Ignar Husky

Monke Bot vs Neolithic AI, who shall win?!

Ignar Husky

Benevolent AI God-King ftw

Josh Jerome

Edit: I was just told to "just ask on Twitter" I'm not making a fucking twitter to bother a streamer to undo the shit his mods are doing, are you kidding me? Lmao. Please unban "Kiefsaurus" (or Kief?) from highdeaology/DFF chat restrictions, like wtf.

kiefsaurus

MUNKY VS ROBOT

Soviet Stache

Hire someone so you can be in two places at once. You go to the funeral and I'll watch the show as you. I'm very affordable.

be

I'm not sure if I should catch this episode live, or go to my Mom's funeral. Mom was always good to me, but watching DFF live would be a way less boring way to spend my afternoon. I'll have to make up my mind.

Myth Odiir

You guys are literally drowning us in content