Ocean Saga - Alternate Animatics | PATREON EXCLUSIVE
Added 2024-03-22 17:52:44 +0000 UTC1:25 - Storm - Scilla nimation
3:05 - Luck Runs Out - TJ Makes
7:15 - KYFC - Ximena Natzel
14:35 - KYFC - Mircsy
19:50 - Ruthlessness - Gigi
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You could think the eurylochus relief was more like regret now
Geveryging
2024-07-06 04:31:43 +0000 UTCY si lo que Uri... ahh, el segundo al mando quiere confesarle a Odiseo es que él insito a abrir la bolsa?
CalisaRoll aye
2024-06-01 23:59:28 +0000 UTCFor me, Aeolus is a fusion of a Great Fairy and Robin Williams Genie. I love mircsy’s vision
Tone87
2024-05-17 02:45:33 +0000 UTCOdysseus's crew were practically at the shore when the bag was opened. It was SO SO insanely close
Grimascent
2024-05-01 11:22:59 +0000 UTCSomething Funny to keep in mind as part of the original telling of The Odyssy \\\\\\\
Grimascent
2024-05-01 11:22:26 +0000 UTCOh, I like both of these interpretations much better than my first thought. I always thought of the World Serpent Jörmungandr from Norse Mythology. He circles the entire Earth from the ocean floor by biting his own tail, and it's said that if he were to release it, it would begin Ragnarok. So I was thinking that Eurylocus was using that as reference to all hell breaking loose once the snake let go.
KuDaija Hurling
2024-04-27 20:17:49 +0000 UTCI love the way gigi's Poseidon holds Odysseus' ship up in the air while destroying the others. It really adds to the sense that he's forced to witness the whole thing, and all he can do is watch from too far away to be able to help.
Fogg McQueen
2024-04-07 10:22:59 +0000 UTCI'd never thought of that possibility! To me it's reminiscent of these lines of Brutus in Julius Caesar: 'And therefore think him as a serpent's egg, Which, hatch'd, would as his kind grow mischievous, And kill him in the shell' So in this context it would be Eurylochus acknowledging that things have the potential to turn very dangerous very quickly (which obviously they do!).
Fogg McQueen
2024-04-07 10:02:45 +0000 UTCYaaaay! I've been waiting soooo eagerly for this video! :D Thank you Mortius! It was so much fun watching the animatics with you again. I hope you're feeling better by now! :) By the way, I totally agree with you regarding the Ruthlessness videos. The one by AnniFlamma is well done - yes. But the "all I gotta do is open this bag" part confused me a lot in terms of mood/atmosphere, because at that moment I also felt Ody was more desperate than cheerful. Gigi's version portrayed it more like how I felt too! :)
Wolkenspringerin
2024-04-07 09:02:18 +0000 UTCThe Tj Makes animatic uses an earlier version of "luck runs out" I believe, this is most noticible by comparing when Eurylochus says "you could be caught off guard" etc in both versions. This could be the reason for feeling that it's a lower audio quality. Edit: I think it's compiled audio from Shorts made during the years of production.
Keegan H
2024-04-06 19:50:24 +0000 UTCAm I the only one who gets great fairy vibes from mircsy kyfc Aeolus
Dylan Robinson
2024-04-06 18:47:38 +0000 UTCI think that the “how much longer ‘til the snake breaks free” line might be a reference to Erichthonius (either a child of hephaestus and gaia or hephaestus and athena) who athena adopted. She put him in a box and gave it to the princesses of Athens whenever she couldn’t take care of him. They were told not to open the box, but the baby kept crying so two of them eventually did. The kid was either half snake and the sight drove them both mad and the jumped off the acropolis. It’s only kind of connected, but I can’t think of any other myths it could be referencing- please let me know if you can think of a better match
Sorry if I said that wrong
2024-03-31 07:53:10 +0000 UTCThey're not in the military in general. They're on the ocean and cut off from the world. If the men lose faith in their captain, "military rules say he's in the right" isn't going to save him. Without going so far as consensus, he has to maintain sufficient support because as long as they're at sea, he's only captain by the consent of his men. And even if he was protected by Magical Military Thinking, even if that was enough to keep them obedient? He also expects to be trusted ("I can assure you our journey is almost done"), when he's doing nothing to keep that trust. I agree that talking to Aeolus was the only way forward. But he didn't have to go alone and come back with a Mystery Bag and no one to back him up on what's in it (again, trust), he didn't have to agree to a game without knowing its full terms. There were better ways to do this, and he should have taken the time to listen to the person telling him to maybe be more cautious. Especially since at this point the ships are safe under the island, so it's not even like time is of the essence.
draeonic 🪼
2024-03-28 01:49:53 +0000 UTCBut it isn't a Captain's job to rally support. There's a hierarchy in military because at the end of the day, there must be 1 final voice telling everyone what to do. One doesn't consensus build in the military in general and absolutely doesn't do so when they are in the middle of something. At the end of the day, yes, Eurylochus was voicing very reasonable concerns about approaching a god about -anything-, but he wasn't providing any suggestions as to what else could be done. I know that at this point, they don't know that the storm was because of Poseidon's wrath, their conventional means of getting they the storm safely weren't working. Yes the gods are tricky, but what other options did Odysseus have other than talk to the wind god and hope he was equal to it?
Anon E. Mouse
2024-03-27 18:46:26 +0000 UTC3. Relay the concerns of the men, and mediate those so it doesn't come down to, well, mutiny. But for that, the captain needs to listen. Which isn't the case here. Yes, Eurylochus should have mentioned his concerns in private rather than in front of all the men.* But that's not what Odysseus says. He tells him to "*always* be devout." Not just in public. He's not listening to the concerns, he's not rallying people to his cause; he's just pulling rank so he doesn't have to explain himself because he Knows Better. Eurylochus may not have been expected to obey blindly when Polites was around, but he sure is now. And Odysseus, talking of kindness, cuts himself off from his crew by refusing to listen to the one who speaks for them. * My fully personal theory is that Polites used to be the informal mediator and Eurylochus has zero experience, which doesn't help.
draeonic 🪼
2024-03-24 10:35:14 +0000 UTCI'm definitely with you on your opinion on the difference between Ody's expression on 'all i got to do is open this bag'. I'd heard audio only my first encounter with ruthlessness, and Anaflamma's was the only animatic I'd seen before this (I mostly listen to the musical at work, so tend to avoid the distraction of all of the amazing animatics) and felt the same way you did at that moment (but the flex of how well they did all the horse stuff, considering horses are notoriously difficult to draw, much less animate had me give it a pass and just mentally play the moment differently in my head, more in line with Gigi's here). As far as what to do after you're caught up, speaking from experience as someone who binged the musical after your first reaction finally got me to check it out, and having followed your reactions for some time (and thus knowing your interest in musical technicalities), I recommend the playlist on Jorge's channel for his Epic the musical BTS, or the original videos on his social medias (I'm not on a lot of those, so i did the YT ones), not even necessarily as reactions, since the format of those would be tricky, but just as something I think you would enjoy as an insight into the creation of this musical, even on your own time.
Ashley N Miyares
2024-03-23 17:33:51 +0000 UTCHard agree. Eurylochus has 2 jobs as 2nd in command 1. Obey his captain without hesitation in front of the crew 2. Speak honestly to Odysseus, which include his skepticism and doubts Eurylochus was never expected to obey blindly. In Full Speed Ahead, he didn't have any qualms about disagreeing with Polities's scouting plans. I think that it was probably his own grief/trauma by the time Luck Runs Out that made him act out of character and question Odysseus in public like that. I don't really think Odysseus really even shuts Eurylochus down that hard, either. As Captain, Odysseus has the final word. I saw him reminding Eurylochus about #1.
Anon E. Mouse
2024-03-22 21:29:38 +0000 UTCYeah that’s something to watch for when searching for animatics. People have made some for the demos that Jay has made before the full songs are out.
TheTuneShifter
2024-03-22 21:14:39 +0000 UTCIn Your Luck Runs Out I’ve always seen Odysseus end talk with Eurylochus as “Hey I understand your doubts but bringing them up in front of the crew is a bad idea.” And that kind of proves it because you hear the background vocals of the crew as they agree with Eurylachus and start to doubt Odysseus and when we get to KYFC all that doubt about their Captain proves their downfall and open up the bag.
Salena Chavez
2024-03-22 21:05:33 +0000 UTC(writing this in a separate comment so it can be deleted if it's annoying, i won't be offended lol i know i can be a little much)---- honestly, i really like ody's character in the musical. he's a guy who is, frankly, too smart for his own good. he says he can pull something off, and its even more annoying because you know he's right. his intelligence and wit is incredibly impressive, and the fact that he keeps succeeding reinforces a confidence that sets him up to fail the moment the situation is no longer one he can talk his way out of. this man is absolutely not prepared for failure, because before the cyclops, everything had gone just as he planned, and when he crashes, he crashes hard. his mental state has been FUBAR since The Infant (probably before that considering he's mentioned several times being haunted by the people he's killed during the war, and the fact that one does not fight for ten years in a bloody war and not lose a single man by fighting in open, honorable combat) and ody has been following the siren song of intelligent but emotionally fragile people everywhere: repress, repress, repress, until it blows up in your face. Polites (may he rest in peace) knew ody well enough to notice he wasn't doing so hot and tried to help him out, but well. we know what happened then. after the cyclops saga, ody's guilt over the stuff in the war, wish to honor polites by following the merciful path he suggested, and natural arrogance all mixed together in a rather problematic cocktail that had him unable to kill the cyclops yet giving out his name in an act of grief-and-anger-driven arrogance. athena didn't help with her inability to recognize that he was more than just her perfect warrior, rather a flawed human who was cracking under the successive blows. At this point, ody's tension released too fast. they made it past the cyclops, (and lost his best friend plus several of his crew, but he is Not Thinking About That) and he doesn't yet know how bad he's screwed himself over, so surely that's the final obstacle in this journey, and they're in the final stretch of their journey, so no need to be so tense right? When eurylochus comes to him with concerns, ody is definitely wrong to shut him down so hard without adressing them at all, but it's also understandable. As the captain of a crew in the middle of the deadly ocean, if people starts questioning his orders at the wrong time it will very literally get them all killed, so he genuinely cannot have people spreading doubts around at the wrong time. of course, the smart choice would be to actually deal with the problems in a private conversation away from the rest of the crew who need to trust him unquestionably, but well. ody is still firmly following the route of Not Dealing With his Problems (repress repress repress!) so that isn't happening. he figures they're almost done anyway, he can deal with whatever issues have popped up when they're safe back home. Of course, that's when the unaddressed doubts backfire spectacularly, leading to another 550 deaths on his conscience. Generally, when characters make a decision, they can be categorized as 1. sympathetic, 2. understandable, 3. reasonable, or 4. the objectively best decision under the circumstances. Odyssues is making a whole lot of choices that fall under 1, 2, or 3 (though less of 3 than the others), and very few that fall under 4, as is common with well-written characters who do not have the information and emotional distance that the audience does. Jorge is doing a great job of making a musical about the odyssey that focuses on how choices affect odysseus as a person rather than as a narrative tool.
Alexandria Cress
2024-03-22 20:53:37 +0000 UTCThanks for the reaction, i've really enjoyed watching your thoughts as you work through the musical so far. I wanted to share some of my own thoughts on Odysseus in this work, because character analysis is pretty much a hobby of mine and i love to share it with anyone who will listen lol. (Note: not saying this is objectively correct, just that it's my own analysis of how jorge has been portraying him)
Alexandria Cress
2024-03-22 20:20:47 +0000 UTCSee I couldn’t quite tell if that was supposed to be the god Odysseus sought or if it was a different entity that was connected
Mortius
2024-03-22 20:03:47 +0000 UTCLittle clarification about Wind in KYFC, it's actually the wind god Aeolus themselves. Not just a Wind Spirit.
Kayleigh McRae
2024-03-22 19:31:57 +0000 UTCThe audio is different because this animatic uses the audio from the snippets that Jorge put out before the complete Ocean Saga came out last December
Anon E. Mouse
2024-03-22 18:44:33 +0000 UTC
