Angel S05E15 - A Hole In The World FULL REACTION

I couldn't watch this 4 weeks ago. I was just in way too low of a place to be able to handle watching this total gut wrenching heartbreaker. And it kinda put a block on me keeping up with your Angel reactions, so now I'm back and binging them all to the finale. (OMG! You're finished.) "There's a hole in the world" .... and "Why can't I stay?" - both always really hit me in the feels. Amy Acker is amazing of course, and Whedon is the King of PAIN - can't possibly let Fred & Wesley - or us - be happy of course. Btw - if you even see this Shan - you were totally right to be hating Knox right from the beginning! I wanted to be cheering you on all the way with your Knox/Crawl hate !! But couldn't cos my hate is too out of proportion for just him fancying Fred while not being Wesley. The little bastard. One thing I love about this ep - apart from all the great acting - is Angel wanting to get rid of Spike from LA, but then them working together like old comrades ( remember St Petersberg?) to save Fred. it gets to me, cos however amusing I find their arguing, I actually wants them to be bros who have each other's backs. I can’t really talk about the scene with Fred & Wesley, cos - too much heartbreak!!

Bellatronics

Ik they didn’t find out the cure with enough time to fly Fred out there, but theoretically if they had flown both Fred and the sarcophagus to the well and then did the spell with Fred being the closest living thing to the sarcophagus Illyria would’ve been pulled into her sarcophagus with no one in between for her to kill, correct? Am I misunderstanding something, or would this have worked in both curing and Fred, and not killing anyone else? Ik im late so no one will probably see this but an answer would be much appreciated.

Luke O’Quinn

Oh my gosh I’ve seen this so many times and I never got that before...

Jessica Hartley

37:06 I know they didn't have time for it, but if they had extra 4 hours, all they had to do is to bring Fred and sarcophagus to the tree and then draw Illyria out. No one dies. Also, besides saving Fred, they need to stop a demon god from returning to life, so that should be worth some human lives as collateral damage.

Scarlett Monrow

First Cordy. Now Fred. The only thing that kept me watching was knowing that Amy Acker was still going to be a part of the show.

Ron Fehr

I don't know if you recognized it, Shan, but the song that Eve sang (Pretty as a Picture) was the same song that Lindsey sang in Caritas after he got his hand back.

Ron Fehr

It's funny because I only became a patron so I can watch this reaction a few weeks early, and even though I saw this episode few weeks ago and cried, I didn't bawl my eyes out like I did watching this reaction!

ZemoWillams

That line always lands like a ton of bricks on my head. Spike's delivery of course is perfect.

Jarrod Wild

Cavemen Vs. Astronauts. According the show, Spike was correct and Cavemen win. Cavemen=Ancient and primal. Astronauts=Science. Science couldn't beat the ancient and Primal here, and it took Fred. Fred realized it finally. "Of course cavemen win".

Loves Bitca

The Game of Thrones joke wasn't a bad one...a bad joke would be "So that's what the cat Drogyn?"

Ryan Fordyce

yeah, this epiosode is hard to watch, really good, but damm Joss. You know how to kill us all

Ana (Lariaenl)

This episode made me fell so stranged and empty. Had forgot about Cox

Andreas Froby

And also One efing episode they get one efing episode. I hate you Jos Wheadon...not really.

Frederick

These are hard reacts to watch for me.

Frederick

This one hurts the soul. Shells is always more rewatchable to me. This episode is so emotionally disabling though.. hard rewatch and changes your mood for the day.

Justin Brinkley

I still can’t believe after all these years how they finally let Fred and Wesley be together only to kill Fred in the next episode. I was a big shipper of them even before I knew what shipping was. This episode just breaks my heart.

Bee

Damn this show. We lost Cordy and now Fred. This eps gets to me all the time.

Emma goldsbrough

Here we go

Einar Sigurðsson

And this is why I hated the previous episode on rewatch. The Fresley tease. It was fun the first time through. But on the 2nd time through J knew it led to her death.

Zach Hershman

The whole Astronauts v cavemen thing, used a real discussion that came up in the writers room. The 'discussion' went on for some time.

raymond julien

Sadness aside, Lorne punching Eve is one of my favourite moments, loved your reaction to it.

Atheel

I feel terrible for you, it was cruel killing off Fred she was literally the sweetest character. First Cordelia and now Fred, even Buffy never went that far with main character deaths.

Atheel

Shan is so done hahaha I feel kinda bad because I was really looking forward to this but I knew it would upset her :')

BOO

Oh wow, I never knew that!

Zoot!

This one hurts extra because "You are my sunshine" was a song my grandma used to sing to me all the time. :(

Zoot!

Anya's "I don't understand" breakdown, or Buffy's "I'll never forget" in 1x8 are strong contenders. Also "You can't leave me. I can't do this alone" in Buffy 2x17. And there's another one but... yeah, we'll just not talk about that here. Plenty of melodrama to go around... but yeah, nothing draws it out like this one. Basically it's Joss and Amy twisting the knife in your side for about 10 straight minutes.

J.D.

Whedon didn't write or direct this episode - he only did the bedroom scene with Fred and Wesley. Which, of course, is the painful part. See 2:07 of this video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJVhNO-ln4

J.D.

Well, it's actually good for Acker. She's an actress and gets to explore a whole new character, and doesn't have to leave the show after her original character gets killed off.

J.D.

My list of lines that always hit me right in the feels: 1. Why can’t I stay? 2. We’re not supposed to move the body. 3. <<>> 4. Who’s going to take care of us? 5. Your shirt. Just typing this list made me teary. damn

John Boehmer

I also love Spike's monologue where the episode gets its name. I think someone talks about how James Marsters got the poetry of that line in the episode commentary (Highly recommend listening to on the DVD). "There's a hole in the world..." gives me the feels whenever I watch this episode.

Daywalker

Here's the thing, Eve: You're going to sing for me, and I'm going to read you right now. And here's one more thing: Winifred Burkle once told me after a sinful amount of Chinese food, and in lieu of absolutely nothing, "I think a lot of people would choose to be green. Your shade, if they had the choice." If I hear one note, one quarter-note, that tells me you had any involvement, these two won't even have time to kill you.

Mike Woodcock

It really struck me when Angel was about to go through with the coffin recall, Spike just zoned out and went passive. He never does that with Angel. It hit him that hard that he wouldn't even step in and stop, or support, Angel's next move.

Mike Woodcock

Joss Whedon: "Hmmm... so, I've had the viewer experience finding a beloved character dead from a meaningless cause, and having to deal with the banal aftermath of that, like a plodding dull pain in The Body. I've had a sudden and unexpected death of a beloved and innocent character murdered by an awful human that everyone hates and experiencing the shrieking rage that provoked in Seeing Red. I've had painful, drawn out melodrama that put two beloved characters in a situation that was horrible agony for them in I Will Remember You. I've even had a bittersweet goodbye to a beloved character who got a worthy send-off in You're Welcome. What's left to do? ... Oh, I know. I'll give the best actor I've ever cast on either Buffy-related show an entire episode to completely rip the viewer's heart out, and then do an agonizingly drawn out and melodramatic death scene so that they can experience the pain Wesley is feeling, watching the only thing he cares about slowly and painfully die while being completely unable to do anything about it. Sure, that'll work." Also, I'm sure someone has said this earlier, but Amy Acker definitely rules.

J.D.

Definitely one of the best episodes in Buffyverse. Amazing acting. I heard that when shooting the bedroom scene, most people on the set where crying.

Scarlett Monrow

Sadly, as we well know by now, The Whedon has a very nasty habit of taking our sunshine away.

Timotey Kuhn

The song is LA Song and its really good. Not sure if I can post links here, but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rLq-FiLMY

Adam Misener

"Wesley, why can't I stay?" is the line that, more than any other in ANYTHING, just destroys me.

Adam Misener

Oh my sweet summer child....heartwarming flashback + giving you total happiness + "written & directed by Joss Whedon" = total heartbreak....still seeing that moment at the end when you gave "the look" said everything! Feeling your pain! :)

Patrick Lyke

This episode breaks my heart everytime. I love Fred with all my heart and after losing Cordelia, I got even more emotionally attached... But then, Illyria is also awesome, so the pay off is kinda worth it..?

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KiwiJello

Oh- this one. I feel this one. WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN TO ACKER!

Jason Veevaert

You forgot "Sorry, Jenny, this is where you get off." And "Mom...mom....mommy?"

Christine

Since it hasn’t been commented yet, Lorne taking over Eve’s interrogation always gets me He’s usually the one asking everyone to calm down, but this is Fred’s life on the line, and it shows how deep their friendship was. And I always laugh when Spike gets fed up with Drogyn, which says something given how dark the episode gets at that point

Brendan O'Connor

Sooo fun fact: The song Eve sang when Lorne made her sing was the same one Lindsey was singing at Caritas back in season 2. In the show, the song was written by Lindsey himself, so he obviously sang it for Eve often enough that she knew the words. In reality it was written by Christian Kane (who plays Lindsey) and David Greenwalt.

Cory Stanish

When I first saw this episode so many years back, I thought it was one of those episodes where one of the main characters is in trouble and comes through at the end (as per usual). Then as I went through the episode, I couldn't believe what I was watching because it slowly dawned on me that Fred was in serious jeopardy. The ending was devastating and acting from Amy and Alexis was top-notch.

AdmiralDogshit

I'm glad Shan sees the truth and is #TeamAstronauts. They would absolutely win! Wake up, sheeple (+ Spike)!

Duck

Fun fact: The Shawarma post credit scene from the Avengers was inspired by a dinner Joss, Alexis, and Amy had the day after filming in Fred's bedroom. They were just so emotionally out of it, they just ate in silence.

mossomness (Amanda Moss)

I'm a glutton for punishment. This is my favorite episode in the Whedonverse. It is so incredibly well made on every level. The writing is top notch. It has some of the funniest and saddest moments from the whole show. Every single character is given a moment to shine here. Special shout out go to Amy and Alexis. The work they did in that room was phenomenal.

mossomness (Amanda Moss)

From “Your shirt...” to “Why can’t I stay?” Honestly we’re all just gluttons for punishment.....

Ariel17

and now... welcome to the WhedonVerse family, and now fully understand why his fans love and hate him.

Titan Gaming

Yeah with Whedon you learn to follow your "Oh, I'm so happy" reactions with "Shit, what's going to happen now to destroy my happiness". Did we learn nothing from Tara and Willow's getting back together excitement leading to "Your shirt"?

Loves Bitca

I was going to say something like "I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying!" but I think the truth is we are all crying.

cosmotron

Shannon, you should’ve known this wasn’t going to end well since they were so happy in the very beginning.

Lostmyshoe22

a hole in the heart

Jason Smith

Yep. Me too 😰

Lostmyshoe22

Still breaks my heart.

Cheyne Johnson

All I gotta say is “Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...” *deep breath* “aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!”

Paul Gregory

When you got to the end of Smile Time last week and you were so happy all I could think was Joss Whedon you right bastard. Absolutely devastating. Sending all the hugs your way.

Chess Red Eagle

Shannan, are you okay? I haven't watched the episode yet but I feel like I should preemptively ask this question.

Simon Mathew

GOD I want to watch this reaction but I DONT want to watch the episode. *Tapes paper to half the screen*

Bisibia

There's a hole in the world....

Shawn Skelton

I made it to the opening scene with Fred and her parents...then it got a little dusty in here :::sniff sniff:::

Christine

was waiting for this one

The Geg

You are my sunshine, my only sunshine You make me happy when skies are gray You'll never know, dear, how much I love you Please don't take my sunshine away

I‘m already crying and havent even pressed play yet.

Mementovitae

Loved the reaction. *hugs* Shan

Adrian G

...kinda been waiting and looking forward all day for this 😉.

Juan Torres

This episode ruined "You are my sunshine" for me forever

Rafael Lemus

Haven't even watched your reaction yet but after the joy of Smile Time I knew this was gonna rip you in two, :(

Daniel Deeks

Oh gosh. I forgot this was today. <3

Miss Timi Fantastico

oh, here we go...

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