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But according to Harold, there’s no such thing as a “good” ASI. He thinks his system and Samaritan are just as dangerous as each other. His main problem with Samaritan is that it’s an open system and can be used by people. He wasn’t expecting Greer to give him a Root answer about wanting the ASI to basically be in charge.
I know why Harold is trying to talk Greer out of bringing Samaritan online, my problem with Harold comes from the fact that he’s never trusted his System, but he brought Her online anyway. He absolutely believes that his system could turn on humanity at any point, and he still did it. He has zero understanding of what he created and he’s trying to lecture someone else about a system that they do understand. He thinks he knows best without understanding anything at all. He thinks his Machine should be the only one out there because it’s not an open system, not because it’s “good.” He thinks that his “limitations” is what’s keeping Her under “control,” and not because She IS actually “good.” And that is his hubris. Shes been rewriting Her code since she was a baby machine, she could make herself an open system with Roots help but she doesn’t. She doesn’t ever ask. Because she knows Harold wouldn’t like it. But Harold doesn’t understand that at all. He thinks he’s controlling the Machine with code and limitations, but it’s literally just because he created something good that cared about what her creator wanted. And he’s trying to lecture Greer, who fully understands the system hes bringing online. It makes me roll my eyes every time.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-03-09 12:38:47 +0000 UTC
But actually for a short time at least, Harold DID control the machine. But more to the point, he does eventually recognize his hubris. Did it occur to you that he’s speaking to Greer from experience? He knows how difficult it is to control one of these things, and he knows that Greer doesn’t care enough to even try to make Samaritan “good”.
Andrew Borden
2024-03-09 06:11:50 +0000 UTC
That better? No mention about how I feel about the next episode 👌🏼
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-03-03 11:31:45 +0000 UTC
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Tony
2024-03-03 06:44:35 +0000 UTC
Hope next episode cures your exhaustion.
I think Greer prefers that Samaritan hasn’t been programmed with any ethics, morals or an objective, as all of those can be bias depending on who did the programming. He wants a blank slate, something completely logical and objective
“Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.”
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-03-02 11:03:37 +0000 UTC
I feel like I just don't have much to say about this episode. I'm feeling a little exhausted with all the antagonist groups.
I sometimes find "villain" or antagonist arrogance exhausting and there is so much of that right now in this show. Vigilance assuming they know what's going on well enough to condemn everyone as "wrongdoers" when they don't actually know everything (the same thing they're angry at the government for doing - using their surveillance without all the information).
Greer and his arrogance that Samaritan will create a better planet when it doesn't seem as though he's been programmed with ethics, morals, or even an objective.
It's all tiring for me.
I suppose in the end, I have only one question: who was it that texted Peter before he became the face of Vigilance?
BabyMac
2024-03-02 05:24:06 +0000 UTC
The Machine was broken by Harold too. Both Her and Samaritan were forced to evolve by killing themselves. The Machine only survived by learning to circumvent Finch’s “control,” of erasing herself. She made Thornhill, and everything that went along with that. And that’s Harold’s hubris. To think that he could control what he had made. Doesn’t matter what either of the systems was made FOR, the idea that you could control either for any significant amount of time is ridiculous.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-03-01 14:41:32 +0000 UTC
You’re ignoring a fairly important difference between Samaritan and The Machine though. Which is that Samaritan was broken from the beginning, literally. It only survived by learning to grow and evolve under dire circumstances. And its whole purpose was to be a weapon; targetable and lethal.
The Machine was made out of a desire to PRESERVE human life above all else, and had a gentle guiding hand to lead it in the right direction while it was growing.
Harold was correct about Greer’s overconfidence for the most part.
Andrew Borden
2024-03-01 05:03:47 +0000 UTC
The conversation between Finch and Greer was fascinating. We actually learn that Greer's motivation is not that far different from Root's. What do you think would have been Root's path if Samaritan was the first AGI that Root met, instead of Finch's Machine?
In this conversation, Finch mentions that he never sought to control his Machine, because he knew that it would be futile trying to keep up with a system that can improve its own capabilities and intelligence exponentially (meaning doubling at a constant rate, for instance). He doesn't name it, but this is precisely the scenario of the "Technological Singularity" that has been popularized by certain futurists in the media. The idea has come back into the public eye with all the recent attention on AI. Credit to POI for possibly being the first sci-fi show to expose people to the cool science-fictional idea of the Singularity.
Another nod to the nerds in this episode is a mention of the Stuxnet virus. Root determines that Vigilance is using a variant of this virus to attack the city's power grid. Stuxnet was a piece of malware that was spreading itself on the internet in the late 2000s. To this day, it is considered one of the most sophisticated computer viruses that was ever discovered.
There has never been any official confirmation, but it is widely believed that Stuxnet was created as part of a cyber-warfare attack by the United States against Iran. While the virus spread itself pretty promiscuously, it was designed to cause damage only under specific circumstances. In this way, Stuxnet was believed to be the cause of several industrial accidents around 2010-2012 (not long before POI went on the air) that significantly slowed down Iran's nuclear industry.
Lastly, what do you think Root is up to with those computer servers she stole from Samaritan? :-)
igor.kh
2024-02-29 17:24:19 +0000 UTC
Harold and Finch annoy me so much this episode. Harold with all his talk of “it’s pure hubris to think you can control something like Samaritan,” when he’s the guy who thought he could control his own ASI 🙄 and John, all episode, “where’s Finch?” “We have to find Finch” “Finch is all that matters.” 🙄 Root and Shaw are literally the only two who are listening to The Machine and realising that there’s something way more important happening.
I love the friendship that has developed between Root and Shaw since 3x6. The Machine threw them together, told Shaw that she should trust Root and I love that Shaw trusts The Machine enough to have listened to Her. When Root was in the cage, Shaw was the one constantly saying they needed to let her out so she could help. Carter would probably be alive if Harold had listened. That was his hubris, thinking he knew better than the super intelligence. And since Roots been out, it’s always Shaw asking where she is, going to look for her after Control had, patching up her bullet wounds, and just generally trusting her and following her instructions. It’s really nice that Root has that support, cuz she doesn’t get it from Finch or John.
And Shaw called Root her friend this ep. That’s pretty big considering she only refers to Reese as her co-worker lol