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I've always really liked these episodes. I enjoyed some of the creepier aspects, I felt sympathy for Nancy and her little brother who turned out to be her son. I loved the introduction to Captain Jack Harkness. There's the memorable line "Are you my mummy" and to this day, I always remember and love the line from the Doctor "Just this once, everybody lives!", I love the way Christopher Eccleston delivers that line.
Jeremy Burch
2024-07-23 10:48:33 +0000 UTC
These are probably my favorite episodes of the season and the highest rated of the season so far.
Shame you didn’t like them but I get it. I love period episodes in time travel shows especially WWII but ik you hate them so that makes sense. Plus I think the amount of time we followed Jamie by herself in this episode was a bit odd as she isn’t one of the main characters.
I think the main reason I liked these episodes besides Captain Jack Harkness is seeing the Doctor get a real win for once and seeing how truly happy he was that “Everybody lives!”
Also the “Are you my mummy?” is kinda a meme in the DW community
Wyatt
2024-07-20 07:16:11 +0000 UTC
Not really sure why, but I never cared much for this two-parter myself. I always found the "are you my mummy?" to be way too creepy for me. I think it would have worked better condensed into a single episode.
Zoot!
2024-07-18 13:29:33 +0000 UTC
Some fun facts: Early drafts of the script included the character of Jamie's father, who would silently and anonymously appear to aid Nancy and the street urchins. The climactic discovery of his true identity would be accompanied by the revelation that he is German, providing an alternative motivation to Nancy's shame.
In alternate drafts it was revealed that Timberlake was Nancy's mother and Mr McTavish was really the German father of Nancy's child. The former was dropped, while the latter was at one stage an apparantely mute man named John who hovered around Nancy, making this episode creepy and weird and there’s enough going on without it so they dropped it -
EVERYBODY LIVES!
Just James
2024-07-18 12:45:52 +0000 UTC
Captain Jack riding the bomb at the end of the episode is most likely a reference to "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
This movie's most iconic moment is where a character named Major Kong rides a nuclear bomb as it falls and explodes.
SWTobito
2024-07-18 10:26:01 +0000 UTC
Beautifully put, imo.
This' well and truly a turning point for the Doctor. The first time, in a long time, that he gets to save everyone and the way Christopher Eccleston plays it at the end is just... fantastic.
You can tell that he's feeling a joy that he hasn't had in so long.
SWTobito
2024-07-18 10:18:07 +0000 UTC
Fun fact: Captain Jack is the first open LGBT+ character on Doctor Who, which makes sense as the show is very popular in the community. Also this was the first time I ever heard about teenage pregnancy as a kid, I knew adults could have babies but I didn't know if could happen to teenagers.
Charlie Matthews
2024-07-18 07:48:27 +0000 UTC
These two episodes are among my favorites in Doctor Who. It's a shame you couldn't get into it, but c'est la vie.
It's hard to talk about them as two episodes, because it is a single, continuous story. It's not like some two parters of some shows where the second half goes off in a tangent that's barely related to the first episode.
Here, "The Empty Child" does a lot of plot building, which pays off in "The Doctor Dances." We learn a lot about Nancy and her life, living on the streets of London in World War II; trying to look after these kids. I find the glimpse into life in London during the Blitz really interesting. We learn about World War II in history class, but it's just the broad strokes and it feels so far removed. And like, as an American, it's both a time and geographic disconnect. Not only was it a long time ago, I think it's easy to take for granted what it meant for the British to be at war; because for us, it was some other place that our soldiers went to to fight, but it didn't come here. For a long time I never really thought about the implications of the UK being part of the front lines of the war and someplace like London being bombed; and comparatively not quite as long ago as it might seem. Obviously it's not a huge part of the episode, but I find that element of the air raids and the displaced kids during the war intriguing.
Over all there's some really charming moments. Rose wanting more tech (more "Spock") from the Doctor - which is a reasonable expectation. You're flying around through time, but the Doctor wants to knock on doors. Rose has past the point of being awestruck by the Doctor and wants him to up his game; when in walks Captain Jack fucking Harkness. Jack rescuing Rose and flirting with her while making his con pitch is fun. This was my first introduction to John Barrowman and he's just so damned charismatic and it really comes through within his chemistry between Billie and Chris. It took a long time to get to used to him as a villain. It's the total inverse of Adam; he's not a doey eyed kid, he's smart, but the Doctor can still get the leg up on him. The banter about the blaster factory being destroyed and the banana grove is good.
I love the line "Go to your room... I'm glad that worked. Those would have been terrible last words." The moment where they're discussing what happened to Jamie and they realize the tape had stopped, but they're still hearing him talk is really good. I feel like the Empty Child and his plague are a well done problem to solve; because he's not really an antagonist. It's clear there's an innocence about him, and there's an underlying threat there without him being threatening. He has no other ambition than to find his mom. He's not malevolent, but his presence is dangerous. And the overall look is effective, with the fusion of the mask to the face. It's creepy and unsettling, but it's not meant to be a thriller.
But the part that really brings it all home is the conclusion. The Doctor working out that Nancy is Jamie's mother and her admitting it to Jamie - because that's all he wanted and he initially died not knowing. Seeing the Doctor's response, "Please give me this one," followed by "Just this once, EVERYBODY LIVES!"
I love that. The Doctor is the last of his people. We know by this point that there was this terrible time war that created a lot of devastation; so the Doctor can kind of relate to what the people in London and elsewhere are experiencing. In "Dalek" he tells the Dalek that "I watched happen. I MADE it happen!" "It" being the destruction of the Daleks and his people. This man has seen some shit and, he's invariably done some shit and we don't know the half of it. That moment heals him a little. He's lost so much, and he's in the position to help a bunch of people and reunite a mother and her son.
And yes, this is a longer post, but to be fair, it's really about two episodes, which averaged out isn't so bad. And knowing you're going to read this, I'm not going to abuse the privilege by have you say random things, like rex or core ick oh falip ah tore re us. And I wouldn't do that, because I'm nice guy.... 🤷♂️