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Hi, I'm one of the people that doesn't care. But I'm sure there's others that do care about having her watch the whole Whoverse (Yeah I said Whoverse ..No fucking way I'm calling it Whoniverse ..That sounds stupid) in the correct order, this means including Torchwood and any other show(s) still coming up and since she's watching a 100 shows a week this is how it's going to be. Also the seasons are only 13 episodes long so the wait isn't that long.
Soooo.. Put a chair down ..Get comfy ..The strike is going to last a looooong time
Tony 🐧
2025-01-26 14:14:53 +0000 UTC
Hi, and, not that anyone could care, but - wanted to announce that I have to go "on a strike", until we, again, get Doctor Who reactions every week - with the said strike consisting of me ONLY watching (and voting for) Doctor Who episodes EXCLUSIVELY, until "death do me part", and all that, as, there is no joke about it .Simply, because, there are way more of amazing and interesting episodes of Doctor Who to arrive at, in the future , and, given that, even with episode-per-week, it took eight months to cover two seasons, we have to get to all the good ones before we're all in the graves, AND, if we can't watch a deceptively-humanly-middle-age-looking creature, who's been alive for billions of years, show up to earth in a blue box, and yank out various hot-earthly-chicks, on some dubious and deliberately non-specifically-aimed adventures, whisking them around the universe with a nearly-random agenda, then - what point is there to life, then, in this world, anyway, ey? So, anyway, no one should care (unless someone wants to join me), but, while Torchwood was an interesting addition, it's no "Doctor of Proctology"...I mean, "Who", of course - and "in Doctor we trust", "till death do me part", and "we shall exterminate all other shows" with zealous favoritism, and, thank you, all, for this audience, and I rest my case, until my last breaths leave-th my lungs-th forever-th, in the final gasps of it.
ErickOnGuitar
2025-01-26 13:59:39 +0000 UTC
Also sorry for typing my comment for last episode 4 times, the reason why it happened was because I was trying to reply to Just James' one but every time I typed it, posted it and came back to the page my comment just vanished. I'm not making it up it kept on disappearing every time I refreshed or came back to the page, so I kept typing it in over and over again but the same thing happened.
So I posted it at the top instead, and had no idea that I posted it 4 times until you read the comments, which was a bit embarrassing for me but that was totally my fault. Again sorry about that.
Charlie Matthews
2025-01-22 20:02:25 +0000 UTC
Shakespeare spoke early-Modern English; which has more similarities with what's spoken today than not; which is why his plays can largely be understood. The grammar might be a little different, and the plays are written in a more artistic style than how people would have actually talked in person.
But still more similarities between what we speak today and what Shakespeare spoke than say, with modern English and Middle-English; which was a much earlier form of English that has something of a vague resemblances to modern English. The average person could probably recognize the occasional familiar sounding word, but it can be much harder to understand.
Either way, since we know the Tardis translates everything for the companions to understand (and for them to communicate); it would definitely translate Middle-English to something more modern (if the companion was modern) and it's likely that in whatever ways Shakespeare's English might have been harder for Martha to understand, would translate it as much as was necessary.
A significant change since Shakespeare's time is the evolution of the English accent. I saw an interesting video once where some linguistics researchers studied how the words in Shakespeare's plays would have actually been pronounced at the time they were first written; and the enunciations could vary in ways that made some lines rhyme that don't rhyme anymore (like "proved" and "loved"); or make something a pun or a bawdy sex joke that don't work anymore.
In some ways Shakespeare's English could be said to be too modern, in that it's too easy to take it at face value, since we understand the words, but have lost context. If it were in another language or an older language, people would scrutinize the context more to incorporate that into their interpretations.
Stargazer1682
2025-01-22 19:59:04 +0000 UTC
I would guess as an explanation to how Shakespeare talked, perhaps the Tardis translation also handles dialects as well as different languages
Retro Tom
2025-01-22 05:44:29 +0000 UTC
Honestly, this is one of my favorite Doctor Who episodes. It's one i really enjoy. I like the past, and the way David plays it, i really enjoy it.
Kazz (Charmed4lifekaren)
2025-01-22 01:36:33 +0000 UTC
Some fun facts.
Fact 1. I think this episode was inspired by Macbeth, which is one of Shakespeare's most famous work, up there with Romeo and Juliet. The play is set in Scotland, about a nobleman who is good by three witches he'll be King of Scotland. This sends him on a dark path where he murders his own king and friends and ends in a bloody fight. In fact Shakespeare wrote Macbeth in 1606, seven years after this episode was set in, so in the Whoverse the writer got the witch thing from the ones he met.
Fact 2. David Tenant has acted in loads of Shakespeare adaptations for the stage and audio from Hamlet to Macbeth. In fact he's just played Macbeth recently.
Fact 3. This episode aired in April 2007 three months before the final Harry Potter book and the fifth film were released. Also when they were filming this episode the title of the seventh book hadn't been released yet, so that's why they called it Book 7. Also I think the "good old J.K" line hasn't aged well, but this was written at a time when people liked her so not the writer's fault.
Fact 4. Love Labour's Won is a real play that Shakespeare wrote around the same time this episode is set in, but it is actually lost as no copy of it has been found since. Also Shakespeare did have a son called Hamnet who sadly died in 1596 at only 11 years old, which some have said was due to a plague.
Charlie Matthews
2025-01-21 23:35:11 +0000 UTC
Doctor Who and the Harry Potter References
Jim Lewis
2025-01-21 19:47:13 +0000 UTC
Just James. Patreon member and yes I love the fact there are numerous Harry Potter references in this episode.
Lilith was the name of a storm demon in Meso-po-tay-me-ann mythology; she was also mentioned in Ju-day-o-Christian tradition, including in the Apocrypha (uh-poc-ra-fa) of the Bible, where she was said to be Adam's first wife, preceding Eve. Ya think the supernatural writers knew this? Making Lilith the first demon. Who knows? (Geddit WHO knows hehe)
Martha was originally going to audition for the Lord Chamberlain's Men, in a scene that was written as a send-up of The X Factor. (Remember that show? Some peak early 2000’s reality television right thurr)
A fine episode, Doctor still misses Rose looks like he doesn’t know what he has with his nubian princess and what was up with Queen Elizabeth? she’s all bad an moody.
Heater (that’s heat-er, not head-er, anything else is wrong) from me, until next time.
And no I do not watch the best of Talkville as I’ve seen them already.