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A Q&A on dating advice for men. 

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For that to have real meaning, you need a breakdown by state. $75 K in Alabama is not the same as $75 K in California.

Susan Elizabeth Cowdrey

That's me, and I have a very lovely life. Why? Because I am rich in assets, resulting in my cash flow going farther.

Susan Elizabeth Cowdrey

over 51% of US households earn less than $75k/yr

AL Genaro @ The OCD Maker

dear leftist men, stop using the term "friend-zoned". imagine women who thought they were your friend find out that you were only pretending to be their friend so you could sleep with them... gross.

AL Genaro @ The OCD Maker

over 51% of US households earn less than $75k/yr

AL Genaro @ The OCD Maker

I wanted to just double check that you knew about Ohio and it's contitution/gerrymandering problem. You mentioned that you planned to talk about it again. A couple years ago, Ohioans approved a Constitutional ammendment to require the Congress to stop gerrymandering. Twice our court throw out the new maps that they determined broke the new constitutional ammendment. We had to have an "emergency" to allow the use of the old maps for the midterms. Nobody has said a word since last November about changing maps to stop using gerrymandering. I guess when the supreme court in Ohio failed to jail the Governor for his contempt charges stemming from a decision that declared the state school-funding plan violated the rights of poor kids to get an education. It happens kind of regularly that chunks of roofing materials fall into classrooms in poorer parts. The judge declared contempt but blinked first. That was 20 years ago. The current crop of politicians seem to be quite aware of how this went down last time. So, the Congress really is hoping that Ohioans don't know what an ammendment to the state Constitution is. These folks still have the law that was passed as a result of the worst corruption in (something big but I've forgotten.... But our speaker is in jail for trying to keep our outdated nuclear power plant online to benefit some crony or other...) The guy's in jail but the law still remains. We're... Having issues. 🤦

Sharienne Weidner

Glad somebody got this. Thank you

Beau of The Fifth Column

https://discord.com/invite/GDYBA5gUTp

Karmi Gettemy

I have been a member for 3 weeks now and have sent 2 messages saying the link does not work for Discord without a response. Not sure what to do at this point.

Ray James

Yes, all of this is well put. Altho once you're a woman in her 60's the eyes usually stay up lol

fiddlelady

"Men get better" is code for "Men earn more money" making them more attractive. It is equally as dehumanizing.

Nathan Myers

A few years ago, before the whole manosphere thing got big, I was having a conversation with a former classmate about an upcoming reunion. He started making comments about how happy he was to be getting older because men only get better, but women "hit the wall" and "lose their value". He then elaborated. It was one of the most dehumanizing things a "friend" has ever said to my face. Back then, it was rare for someone to openly state something so gross. I'm honestly frightened by how much more common that rhetoric is becoming.

Reva

Oops hit send too early, while details vary what ALL women like is a man who, A) Listens to them! B) treats them with respect. C) makes them feel safe. If he follows those precepts in all his dealing with women I bet he'll be a whole lot more attractive.

Melyni J Worth

One of the best pieces of advice for the young guy asking (and any others) is:

Melyni J Worth

Would guys actually respond to that truthfully?

Lee B.

Definitley more than vaguely dehumanizing. It's terrible. Anyone who actually ascribes to that way of thinking needs to be single forever to spare other humans the pain of being treated like trash.

Lee B.

excellent talk

Jennifer Shultis

Also, keep in mind if a women wants to know how much you make, it maybe because she has a really good paying career and had bad experience with men making less than her and showing insecurity in that.

TaverenTech aka Joe

Right on the money! I can’t believe it didn’t occur to me!

RevyBlack

I think the overall inherit flaw in this entire discussion is failing to first ask the man, you are looking to get some, or find an LTR??? Because those are in fact 2 very different things and since men are mostly looking for "some" until they want more, that misrepresents the advice and responses.

TaverenTech aka Joe

Except we have stupid billionaires with space rockets.

TaverenTech aka Joe

Agreed. The are many simple rules and sayings for a reason like: 1. Don't hunt where you work. There is an inherit conflict of interest here. Your job should be more important than getting some. I also will not ask a waitress or person to go out at their job (unless they indicate a clear interest). You wait for an encounter at grocery store or somewhere NEITHER of you work. Because they are paid to be nice to you, its a false perception of their personality. 2. Don't do financial transactions with family or friends 3. Don't agree to share the bill without stipulations about max amount and booze (only drinkers should split it)

TaverenTech aka Joe

The real question should be would you date a man without a college education. Statistics show women with a college education are not looking for men w/o college educations. There is actually a shortage of college educated men. If we had free college, we could create more future workers and grow the economy, yet GOP is stupid about capitalism, and only they mostly really just do extraction and exploitation.

TaverenTech aka Joe

I believe the best advice is to be a genuinely kind human being. Be gentle, relaxed, non-judgemental, open-minded, curious, and generous with your time and your emotions. The golden rule applies - treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself. Don't be opinionated, demanding, selfish, boorish, egotistical, or self-absorbed.

Steven D Elves

75k is a lot money in some place like MI, OH, WS, MN. and pretty decent in AZ. However 75k is barely surviving in Silicon Valley of CA.

TaverenTech aka Joe

The over arching theme I’m getting from these questions is that men like us from neck to knee. And they just suffer with the rest to get those parts. They think we are either empty headed sl*ts, or two faced cheating harpy gold diggers. Men hate us, and that’s why you scare us

RevyBlack

Women generally want a man that listens to them. Doesn't try to solve their problems and listens. They don't want a man that just talks about themselves. The best way to make them interested in you, is to not talk about yourself, unless they ask, then keep it brief. Instead ask them a lot questions about their life and their interests. If they are career, ask them about that. They like a mystery. Don't come across as perfect, they need a flaw they can work on (a minor one). Don't ask any questions related to sex or their looks. Don't talk about other women (unless they specifically ask and keep it minimal. Don't bad mouth other women to them. The goal is to see if you like them as a person first and let them see this. And on the first 3 dates, KEEP YOUR EYES UP while they are talking.

TaverenTech aka Joe

On workplace dating: ideally, DONT. But if you must, keep work at work and dating outside work. At five years of age my kids knew some behaviors that were ok in our house were NOT acceptable at Grandma’s. If you date a coworker, your behavior towards them should not give a hint of that to your other coworkers because you maintain a professional attitude. And yeah, the cringe factor of “the wall” is gross and a red flag a mile wide. Value is in character, not appearance, and anyone who puts that much stock in the wrong value is going to disappoint both themselves and their partners. My husband was a musician and dated model types. Took him til 45 to figure out he’d been looking for an accessory for his car, not a partner. Once he started looking for those core values Beau stressed, he found me, someone very much lower on those rating scales than he. But he loved ME for who I was and I him for how he made me feel about myself. We had a wonderful time for almost 25 years until he passed away a year and a half ago. Make sure you’re looking for what you want, not what you think society says you should want.

Cherizac

I find the whole discussion of people "declining in value" pretty icky and vaguely dehumanizing. That being said, I did hit a wall in my fifties. That wall was where I realized that I had zero interest in dating anyone because I am happier on my own than I ever have been in a long-term relationship.

Rebecca S Walker

My advice: Don't lie. Don't cheat. Don't be abusive in any way. When you're done, say so and move on. If a woman tells you she doesn't like something, believe her.

Rebecca S Walker

Nicely done, as always.

Charlie Newman

I have been watching these vids for a year; first wrong note was the Venus thing. Venus is really by far the most hospitable place in the Solar System, after Earth: at 50 miles up, the pressure, temperature, and gravity are all near Earth-normal. So, you would have to live in a teflon balloon. We still won't colonize Venus, or Mars, because that would be stupid.

Nathan Myers

The "manosphere" is pure poison for any human being. Stay away from it. Do not take any advice from "PUAs"/pick-up "artists". Their entire schtick is how to be a rapist; someone who cons unwilling women (or men) into bed in such a way that the person knows they've been raped, but isn't going to be able to prove it. It's hard enough to prove rape when someone holds a knife to one's throat while his buddy pulls off one's drawers and proceeds with violation. When the weapon is a psychological knife, a vulnerable person can be made equally defenseless. The manosphere, and that includes the PUAs, teaches men how to be thoughtless, soulless, unfeeling, unconscious machines whose only purpose is to gratify their own programming and impress the other machines in the manosphere. It goes without saying that the rest of the universe with all its other parts is mechanical as well, and designed to keep the man machines able to fulfill their cultural programming.

Margaret C Smith

A good mechanic is worth their weight in whatever is the most valuable substance in the universe.

Margaret C Smith

Great advice. The voice of sanity. A lot of young men need to hear this kind of advice.

Julie Sloane


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