Frieren Episode 27 Reaction Extended (YT link below)
Added 2024-06-10 03:32:27 +0000 UTCIn Frieren episode 27, An Era of Humans, Serie decides she wants to train her 47th human student, you know... as a joke.
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YouTube Link:
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Serie is bored because she is thousands of years old and these little newby human mages are something she's seen likely tens of thousands of times. I think something you said in the vid Alex rings true for Serie in this way too. She has taken the furthest thing she can see as the furthest thing there is. It seems she is finally now admitting to herself that there are other dimensions to her previously bi-directional scale.
Sam B
2024-06-12 00:05:40 +0000 UTC24:40 it reminds me of Ging and Aunt Mito when they were younger, and she would purposefully hide so he would pay attention to her.
Sam B
2024-06-11 23:57:24 +0000 UTCSerie says many things, 😄 including that suppressing mana would be absurd and inefficient. I'm anime only, but I think it's strongly implied that the reason he could tell that Frieren was suppressing her mana is because he was used to how Serie did it, just like how Fern could see it because she had grown up seeing Frieren's. He just could came up with a different excuse because of what Serie said.
Ryan
2024-06-11 04:00:03 +0000 UTCThe thing is, all the people she failed are people who won because to some extent they were carried by an experienced mage. So I get it. If it wasn't for the deadly part, I'd have no issue. Raise them to rank 2 and let them try again. So she's right... Except her grudge with frieren lol.
crazizzle85
2024-06-11 03:25:27 +0000 UTCTo your point of how when someone seems to be falling short or not doing as much as you, I have ruined quite a few relationships because of that shortcoming. I push myself to over provide and work for the person, only to look at them in an unfair lense, very interesting reflections after the fact, even years later.
Gir
2024-06-11 00:19:05 +0000 UTCJust worrying about all of the intricacies of parenthood tells me you’d make a great dad. What’s great is that it’s a two-way street and your kids make you a better person, too.
bl0odm1st
2024-06-10 22:13:55 +0000 UTCSerie herself says that Lernen never saw the fluctuations of her mana suppression. If you've read something in the manga, that's alright, but from what the anime has shown so far, he hasn't.
Arakis
2024-06-10 22:02:51 +0000 UTCI said this to Deiondre0, too, but I really do think that Lernen knows Serie is suppressing her mana. I obviously don't have proof of this, but I think there's reason to believe it.
Ryan
2024-06-10 19:43:33 +0000 UTCMy apologies. Thank you for the correction. :)
Ryan
2024-06-10 19:39:52 +0000 UTC*Richter
bl0odm1st
2024-06-10 17:04:28 +0000 UTCDamn that's crazy. I just watched Haley Joel Osment in Artificial Intelligence by Spielberg and it was probably the best child acting performence I have ever seen. Really unlucky you were against such spectacular natural talent. That actor just randomly popped up in "The Boys", a popular Amazon Prime series I just started watching.
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2024-06-10 17:01:52 +0000 UTCMaybe because death is almost certain in the north but only a possibility at the exam. Failing the exam doesn't mean they could never be a 1st class mage or don't have the potential, it can simply mean they weren't ready yet. Going to the north and dying removes any potential, its just unnecessary death which even Serie is against.
Nydrin
2024-06-10 13:19:07 +0000 UTCI wonder what about her is actually true
Alex G
2024-06-10 08:51:58 +0000 UTCThat's a really cool perspective, makes me rethink my perception of Serie
Alex G
2024-06-10 08:50:34 +0000 UTCIt's difficult to fully evaluate because I'm still not sure at this point what the license is for. It seems different depending on which direction you're looking from. For the examinees, it's access to certain tasks / areas and a spell reward. They would hope that they can understand the assignments, use their powers to complete the test, and get the reward. From their perspective, there should be no limit on how many people pass and no animosity towards them. From the examiners perspective, they are looking for.. something. They seem quick to fail, not concerned only with (for example) the examinees ability to clear the northern dungeon, and somewhat disdained at people joining their ranks. Maybe I can make an example with Mensa? If for whatever reason you wanted to join mensa, you expect to learn about the Mensa exam, demonstrate that you're IQ is above the required threshold, get the score, and join Mensa, regardless of how many other people passed or failed. If the Mensa examiners suddenly introduced arbitrary measures last minute, stacked the odds in ways that weren't related to IQ with the justification of "well if you were really that smart you should be able to XYZ," or after getting the IQ score decided based on 1 person's 1:1 interview that you didn't have what it takes, you might suspect that there was some other motivation there, perhaps to keep the group elite or to avoid admitting too many members. It may very well be that Serie is correct in her intuition about everyone towards her goals and what she wants, but at least through this episode it seems like the odds are stacked against the examinees in a way that isn't fully meritocratic.
Alex G
2024-06-10 08:48:39 +0000 UTCIt's not the exam in itself I am considering as gatekeeping or elitism but the intent of the people organizing it. Having people possibly die to get a certification of sort to go in a dangerous place plus a spell of their choosing while thinking "magic should be special" or "the examinee who dies simply didn't have what it takes" (the first class mage monitoring the first exam said stuff like those though not those exact words, I can't remember them exactly) doesn't sit well with me
Omnitronx
2024-06-10 07:32:46 +0000 UTCSerie's deception skill is so good, she deceives herself as well XD.
BirthdayParty
2024-06-10 07:24:27 +0000 UTCSee. I don't get why people keep calling the tests "Gatekeeping" or "Elitism". The title of First Class mage isn't like... a license or a doctorate. You don't need it to be a mage. You don't even need it to be a powerful mage, it's not like the Magic Association places limits on levels of power or studying magic based on your class. So I don't see how it's gatekeeping? Or elitism?
BirthdayParty
2024-06-10 07:12:58 +0000 UTCThe implication here is that Lernen figured out that Frieren is suppressing her mana, and estimates that her unsuppressed mana is equal to Serie's... however since he thinks Serie's mana is exactly what he sees (he hasn't figured she also suppresses it), Serie's true mana capacity must be unprecedented. BONUS: Serie: "Suppressing your mana is pointless to even learn." Also Serie: "I'm the BEST at suppressing my mana, no one can tell I'm doing it, I've been doing it for millennia" Serie: "What's your favourite spell?" Frieren: "A spell to groom little boys.. I mean, a spell to create a field of flowers" Serie: "What a useless spell. Please don't pay attention to the magic garden I'm hosting the test at"
Arakis
2024-06-10 07:10:46 +0000 UTClots to think about. Another great reaction. Thank you Goodwin!
Emman Reed
2024-06-10 07:02:35 +0000 UTCSerie is inherently a tragic character to me, cause she's basically got the Saitama problem magnified by a thousand. Whereas Frieren's love for magic comes from the happiness it brings to those around her, Serie's love of magic seems to come from how it's constantly evolving and pushing the limits of what is possible to do. Hence why she's so happy about Frieren analyzing and deconstructing her barrier, and why so many of the First Class mage exams are all about achieving what seems to be "impossible". Except, Serie has the same sort of problem as Saitama in that she's reached the peak of her profession/skillset and is isolated on its peak with no peers or competiton. Except whereas Saitama at least has people like Genos around him, Serie's immortality means that any disciples she tries to train inevitably die in a blink of an eye to her, passing away just as they begin to reach their true potential from Serie's perspective. Which is probably incredibly frustrating and discouraging for her. I think this is where Serie's dislike of Frieren comes from, because Frieren is one of the few people who doesn't have the same problem as Serie's apprentices, but instead of refining and advancing magic, Frieren is content to simply wander around and collect miscellaneous spells. In Serie's words, she lacks ambition. I suspect from Serie's POV, it looks like Frieren is squandering her own potential and immortality.
BirthdayParty
2024-06-10 07:02:26 +0000 UTCBecause the primary reason why people want to become First Class mages isn't because they want to go to the North. The primary incentive is receiving a spell from Serie. Frieren has already mentioned that even if both of them failed for whatever reason, they have other methods available to them, like paying/accompanying another First Class mage across the border, or taking a sea route. It's just that both options are more expensive and time-consuming than the exam, which is why Fern was opposed to them.
BirthdayParty
2024-06-10 06:41:26 +0000 UTCIt makes me emotional every time I see Serie losing her smile for a frame or two when she says to Fern she passed the test. "Ah yes I hate teaching humans because they die so quickly I'll never do it again BTW you can see my true power level can you let me teach you please please so I can stop feeling sad and alone being at the top of magic? You will have to endure all of my attempts at faking how much I care about you though. Don't mind all of those flowers around us, it's not like I like them or anything baka" Though I can't be bothered to care about that exam since to me it seems the rules and whatnot are really influenced by the mind state of Serie and the others first class mage and oh boy it's really maddening to see people dies because of some elitism or gatekeeping
Omnitronx
2024-06-10 06:25:41 +0000 UTCWhat I rarely see mentioned in these discussion of reactors is how in an earlier episode, Flamme asked Serie in her will to take over her job and train humans in magic, in the same EP Serie while talking to Frieren also talked about how humans are much closer to death and have to keep making important decisions while elves can wait a century or even a millennium. and then all of a sudden Serie appeared a thousand years later and founded this magic foundation to train humans. Seems like she still took Flammes will to heart, even if it took awhile.
Lavie
2024-06-10 06:16:11 +0000 UTCTwo small things: I really like how, in the first half of the episode, Land asks Fern if she's Frieren's student, and she is still pouting and doesn't respond at all. It's as if Fern's last line in the episode, "I am Frieren's student," is her finally acknowledging that fact from earlier, too. 2) One of the subtitles stands out for a line from Lernen (the guy who made the escape flasks and who serves tea--tea whose steam clearly has the same aesthetics as a person's mana, although I don't know what that means). He says "your [Serie's] willfulness is nothing new." That's an interesting (not bad, just eye-catching) choice. The word he said there was 'wagamama.' Basically he said "you doing whatever you want to no matter what anyone else thinks or wants isn't something that just started now."
Ryan
2024-06-10 05:33:39 +0000 UTCI actually think Lernen *did* detect it. He never denied it. He just came up with the excuse that he happened to see a slight fluctuation for Frieren. It's never stated directly, so this is just my theory, but I think the reason he was so easily able to tell Frieren's case is that he's been around Serie so often and knows what it looks like intimately. Yet he couldn't say that aloud in front of everyone right after she just gave a speech about how useless it would be. The way he looks and the fact that he can never be fully open and honest with Serie, and that Serie doesn't figure him out (just like the Frieren-Fern relationship) is a nice parallel in the story, in my opinion.
Ryan
2024-06-10 05:23:34 +0000 UTCit probably gose back to that visualizing victory thing serie keeps talking about. putting a dangerous test in front of the permission to pass into that area discourages the majority of lower level mages from even attempting. and throughout this ark we have seen quite a few mages get stronger or win by visualizing victory so its a big part of the power system
Tyre Willis
2024-06-10 05:19:21 +0000 UTCMaybe that was the "standard" third exam. We'll conscript you and send you to the front lines of the North, if you come back alive, congrats you're a 1st class mage
Rekway
2024-06-10 05:05:43 +0000 UTCFrieren's unsupressed mana being equal to Serie's suppressed mana is WILD lmao, such a great reveal.
Polygon
2024-06-10 04:58:02 +0000 UTCA thought just occurred to me... If they're willing to have students die for the exam, why not just have them skip the exam and die in the north if they wanted? That would just serve as the exam.
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:54:03 +0000 UTCThe flowers thing was nagging at me too. Maybe her "hidden" ability is deception
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:53:22 +0000 UTCyou can be a mage without the first class mage exam. the first class mage exam is only for gaining permission to go to the super dangerous area. the average mage wouldn't survive in the area frieren is trying to go.
Tyre Willis
2024-06-10 04:46:20 +0000 UTCFrieren Frunday!
Ryan
2024-06-10 04:42:54 +0000 UTCI've conditioned myself to never take anything Serie says at face value cause this girl is a pathological liar 😭. She calls a spell to create a field of flowers useless yet she holds the third and final test for powerful mages in a room filled to the brim with flowers (that she clearly cares for) She states she shouldn't take on human mages yet minutes later she sees Fern and that goes out the window She wanted to seem annoyed at Flamme after her death yet went on to reminisce on Flamme's life telling Frieren she accomplished incredible things for humanity. Serie has knowledge of every spell in existence except for the one that makes you tell the truth I guess 💀
Jade
2024-06-10 04:42:23 +0000 UTCWhen being too tall is a let down
Anya Mcghee
2024-06-10 04:37:21 +0000 UTCThis is random to throw in here but I was one of the finalists for Haley Joel Osment's role in the Sixth Sense. It was one of the rare instances where I wasn't asked to read for the role, I was just asked to come in for a meeting (i think it was with Shyamalan, but it was before he was famous and a long time ago so I can't remember). I walked in there only for the casting director to look at me and say that I was way too tall for the role. That was essentially the beginning of the end of my acting career
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:31:58 +0000 UTCSince MHA and Demon Slayer came back I'm up to 7 videos a week which is just a bit beyond my comfort zone 😂 One thing I have planned is to do a long overdue Q&A over the next few weeks. After that I will think about adding something. Invincible might be a good fit at just 1 (even if long) episode per week).
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:29:03 +0000 UTCDefinitely worth noting that apparently none of the other first-class mages detected Serie suppressing her mana. Meanwhile Fern is just blankly staring at it lol
Deiondre0
2024-06-10 04:25:28 +0000 UTCIt is stunningly real to pass all the tests and qualifications but fail the job interview. XD
Sage
2024-06-10 04:20:53 +0000 UTCTruly an incredible series. The first one to maybe eclipse HxH for me since I watched that on my iPod touch when I was supposed to be doing homework over a decade ago lol Since Frieren is coming to an end, do you have plans to replace it with a new show? IF this is something you’d want to do, and if you think it’ll be a good choice for your channel too, I’d highly suggest using at least one of the freed up days for HxH. You’re right about to start the part of the chimera arc that practically requires binging due to its pace
Sunny
2024-06-10 04:17:10 +0000 UTCI just have a gut sense about Serie that is hard to ignore yet I can't support. I'm trying to reserve judgement until I have the full picture 😂
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:11:29 +0000 UTCThat's a good one. I think it comes up a bunch in this show
Alex G
2024-06-10 04:10:26 +0000 UTCWith mages, to travel to the demon kings continent without a powerful mage would be death, if you can't imagine yourself at least comparable to a very tangible example of what a skilled mage is why would you be allowed to go somewhere so dangerous. No ones forcing them to be here, anyone can learn magic and get your certification, you could just hire a first class mage to take you. I love Serie, someone so old, so powerful and experienced, taking on numerous human mages, how Frieren knew that she would pass Fern no matter what she said and how she pointed out that her intuition is always right; I comes together to form a very complex and interesting figure.
Francis
2024-06-10 04:05:44 +0000 UTCI probably quoted this before but it's so perfect to the series and Serie. 'Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.'
Anya Mcghee
2024-06-10 03:55:20 +0000 UTC
