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☎️ Phone a Snake: YOUR Unpopular Showgirl Opinions

So here's the tea...we accidentally uploaded the paywalled phone a snake instead of the normal one lksdnflknsd that was supposed to come out on MONDAY. Here's the PUBLIC version video. There will likely be a Kiki Lounge on Monday too, so, our apologies for the mixup...

'Tis the damn season. With a brand new Taylor Swift album, there are of course, brand new hot takes to share. The brave divas who put their hands into the snake den this week are saluted. On the docket: Taylor Swift's devolving girlboss journey, the continual disrespect of TTPD, ethical quandries about Actually Romantic, and the future of artistry in the TSCU. Enjoy! 

Comments

hmm 🤔 sudden thought: maybe she’s hiding his other merits coz why go around advertising he’s perfect in every way — so ppl will steal him?! And privacy wise, let’s say he’s been supportive with her family etc. she CAN’T write those out so she hinted in #5 eldest daughter etc but serious songs don’t sell. 🤭 ki-ki songs do. That may be why he’s described as one-dimensional character— though a log 🪵 is 3-D 🤣🤣

Terry B

Wasn't she the face of Gucci in her younger years?

Truly Hunter

I loved virgin! I would love to know why you don’t like it and think it’s gross and immature.

Deli

This is such a good way to put it bc for years I’ve been confused. My grandma or my mom would know all the words to shake it off, but they’ve never heard of karma and probably haven’t heard of Taylor in a while. But it’s weird bc karma was a hit and had large steaming numbers. I guess it’s just cuz she has a lot of fans but doesn’t have widespread influence on the average person.

Deli

Maybe she wanted to let Sabrina shine? Not sure tho

Deli

Obviously Blake was the catalyst for cancelled, but is she associated with gucci? Bc I think of Travis as cloaked in gucci, so idk if she’s referencing Brittany and the people on the chiefs with that line. Just a little thought.

Deli

NO~ 😱 that’s too much co-branding tied to her IP 🙂‍↔️ I don’t care if they sell clothes together etc, No more corny Flop-casts 🙂‍↔️ and, her MUSIC 🎵 is her artwork and connection to us fans! Why the F would any fans want HIS signature on her CD?! Mixing personal feelings with professional performances is unprofessional— she said Trav carrying her on stage was his idea, but she allowed it. It’s like she inadvertently invited MAGA Trad-wives vibes — this is more cringe than the gross lyrics in wood 🪵 🙂‍↔️ He’s the MAN of the bedroom but she’s the MAN of the household 🏡 queen 🫅🏼 of the castle 🏰🫡 She protects the family coz her *check* is bigger 🙂‍↕️

Terry B

Do we think that Taylor purposely released TLOAS post the grammy cut off date?? Coz A) she ain't that confident about it winning anything and B) maybe she doesn't wanna do any sort of promotion or tour n take a break instead?

VK

How is it weird? Taylor Swift is quite literally too famous and successful to have a “white picket fence” life.

Eric S

Yep, Lover 2.0 with clever hit singles roll out (^_^) clean versions for younger fans and Kiki-versions for grown ups. “My Check” is bigger [heehee] (^O^) “Key that Open my Sky” kids Bop T.V.

Terry B

Current partners are always “boring” because she can’t spill tea. She’d need to pivot to other topics, e.g. career, philosophical — reference: Lena studied meta-physics 😅 She’s a poet-director, experiment genres / instruments / producers. Wild idea 💡🤪🤣: her covering Linkin Park “In The End” — Furiosa unhinged female rage T.V. Collab with Kendrick Lamar… *(^O^)* YOLO *\(^_^)/*

Terry B

Congrats ! I’m already a bestie but here to say congrats and so nice of you

1quarter of a meatball

Y’all fellow Swiftie, got a new job so I’m sharing my happiness with y’all safe and fun community— 3 months Bestie Lite 🤗 🧸 ☮️ Pay It Forward https://www.patreon.com/swiftologist/redeem/f/59EAA6EDE7

Terry B

What did she say? I don’t have twitter

Star123

She could have even just said "girl"?

Anja Dott

I just saw a cd signed both by Taylor and Travis 👀🫣

Kate

Thank you for talking about all the "bitches" in the album !! So weird of her. In the clean version of Honey she says "chick"... why couldn't we keep that and have juste the one version?

Winona

Matty is THE muse and I will never apologize for thinking it hahah. Just the fact that he (probably) inspired Right Where You Left Me and Ivy is enough for me. Two of her all time best songs. Not to mention all the other amazing ones throughout multiple albums and especially TTPD. He's a mess and an asshole, but he inspires something amazing from her

b

Apparently they’re saying it’s about tree paine 😭

N

Can’t remember if I commented previously - I had Patreon issues and had to unsubscribe and resub to all my Patreon groups - but I think Ruin the Friendship is her way of explaining the fever dream that was shoot-your-shot-with-Matty Healey. I think we can all agree that THAT was going on behind the scenes and came with a lot of fallout, and some incredible art in TTPD, no hidden regrets, all questions asked & answered…. And then she moved on.

Ally ❤️

What about a sister songs episode with Sympathy is a knife and Actually Romantic??

Gabriel

Can we talk about how the haters are calling Z sexist when these same ppl have been saying Joe wrote Taylor's best albums

RiskBat

“aloud” 😪

N

you’re so miserable get a life

sam

FYI if you don’t like the content here, you are free to leave…. ✌️ personally I can take anything with a grain of salt, and I find varying perspectives interesting P.s. I do agree that the I would kill myself comments are quite unnecessary and alarming

Bridget Hogan

btw you’ve lost a paying subscriber of this patreon. I love Madeline and will still subscribe to her substack but there’s no way I can support that kind of talk, just outright belittling, bullying and disgusting comments of you literally telling taylor to “kill herself” in that discord. Think long and hard of what kind of rhetoric you’re spewing and how that represents you as a person. I doubt that’s how you want people to think of you. ♥️

Savanna

When people say it’s over or she’s never going to make another album that is intellectually stimulating or Travis has taken away her feminism or her lyrical ability etc . I just want to ask them for their Swiftie card because if you’ve been around any length of time you would know that all of these things ebb and flow in her discography. Just wait a hot minute and she will put out an album that is more like folklore or tortured poets or red again. She’s just in love and having a Kiki. It’s not that serious.

Lisa M Lamarche

This is such a great point. She is back! She’s on the shows and talking to us and looking happy and beautiful and we know her dude supports her! I love it!

Ally

Thank you! I agree actually

Ally

I actually do believe it’s AOTY easily and yall will fathom eventually

Cara M

“You will never see these things Taylor, but you already knew that” what a weird thing to say

Sarah

I agree with the caller at 33:30. I’ve been feeling like 1989 was kind of a fluke, and at her core she’s not a “pop star”, she’s an extremely popular singer-songwriter.

Carey

i appreciate you both for bringing me a lot of joy and a very welcome distraction during a particularly painful breakup 🫶

sienna

You guys... I'm so millennial embarrassed.... Today I may have solved the "we looked fire" line... I think it's actually supposed to be "And we looked 🔥" ... This song I've noticed over the last week is not only cringe, but us millennial are now the "dad joke" generation... We have entered this life stage where we are still trying to be relivent and cool, but we are NOT... And so when we try to express ourselves it sounds soooo bad to genZ... Sorry we are not cool 😅 We are also "trail blazers" so we are usually getting it wrong first. Anyways, it's probably wrong, but I had a moment of speaking in emojies... 🤦

Jackie Lehman

i wonder if taylor tried to target a new audience with this album, the whole podcast thing already gave me that impression. but now also knowing the sound - it has a lot of influences of some fleetwood mac soft rock, bit from earlier decades. its probably what older people would expect from a pop banger, but it doesn’t seem very new. the songs aren’t very lore heavy or if they are that was explained in the podcast. i think it’s an easy entry for first time listeners. and maybe that’s why it feels so off. i‘m also wondering if it’s more of a pallet cleanser album but then the extensive marketing doesn’t really fit.

Martina Teich

Guys have you seen Anna Delvey’s tweet about Taylor’s lead singles 😭😭😭😭She’s never been wrong a day in her life

Chloie 😝

I'm also going to say this, bit scared, but Matty was a fantastic muse for Taylor. So if Matty retaliates which I actually don't think he will, but if he does...it might just spark something in Taylor. Don't get me wrong I'm glad she's happy God she deserves it after all these years of trauma, but the Matty songs had been happening since Rep without our knowledge and Folklore and Evermore has Matty all over. Taylor often takes on the personality of her purses and a complex wordsmith troubled genius is a stimulating muse. Travis is just happy go lucky and finally treats her well, but she needs her art people around her like you mentioned.

Ilka van Schalkwyk

I had the same thought where is the hit, where is the legendary song? Where is a Getaway Car? Its a fun album, but it's what people were predicting for the I love Travis album, it's not the Showgirl as promised. Had she taken the song Showgirl and then conceptualized around that it would have been a different kettle of fish. Ruin the Friendship shows she still has Speak Now Taylor in her and feels so comforting, so bring her back, also Father Figure hits different because she has her masters its a victorious song without the hurt, which I love for her. Then we have Eldest Daughter, beautiful melody and bridge, but edit the writing, we know you can.

Ilka van Schalkwyk

Zach for the next new music friday you should listen to Apesh*t by Jett Blyton hes a new gay male pop star and the chorus of that song is genuinely so good

sam

Zack you just got mentioned in a Billboard post 😭😭

Ivy Fuss

Same, when I heard "redwood tree ain't hard to see..." I thought of it as a contrast to "you didn't mesure up to any mesure of a man" (maybe dick size too 🤏)

Assia

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Taylor randomly dropping her cover of Tom Petty's American girl today! I've read articles, and there's some talk about the samples she used for this album, all being from artists and groups who fought their labels at some point. I did the research and that adds up... what is she plotting

Shanice Marie

Or a review of sorts

Annika

Divas I NEED a reaction of the merch 😭

Annika

I also kinda thought that Wood was targeted at her exes… (the smallest man that ever loved, et al.)

Lucy

Loved that you addressed tbe undercurrent of bitterness in the album: i noticed that too and it left a bad taste in my mouth. my sister (a local) argued said she liked the album because “Taylor is finally happy and is not angsty anymore”. I’m like… ummmmm, even the angst of rep was a bait and switch and mediated through an absurd character. It is RAW in TSLOAS

Lucy

I’m willing to keep giving Showgirl a chance to grow on me. But it occurs to me…how did I get a Lorde album and a Taylor album at the same time and they were BOTH immature, gross, and out of touch??

Madison Hart

i know m has, but i wonder if z's take would be any different after reading the poems. i still feel like the music should speak for itself buuuut

hayleywilliamsmademegay

Has anyone seen on Taylor’s youtube channel?? 6 hours ago she posted an old cover of her singing American Girl by Tom Petty.

Hannah Knight

18:36 exactly.

Hannah

Yes ruin the friendship sounds very Taylor. 🩵🫶

Hannah

I personally am really enjoying the album, but what is really striking to me is how many of my non-chronically online Taylor agnostic friends have messaged me (because they know I’m a Swiftie) to tell me that they love the new album. Then I hop online and see the craziest hate takes ever. Like critique, yes welcome that, even if I’m happily bopping to it…but the chronically online hate takes are wild. The non-Swiftie non-chronically online folks are streaming this album like crazy though, which means she’s got legs 🤷🏼‍♀️

🪩🐍Sha’ya🐍🪩

i need you both to drag her merch back to the land fills, my wallet is safe my boyfriends wallet is safe. just absolute canva extravaganza

samantha

Yes! And this is very interesting thing for her to maybe try and unlearn/deconstruct for herself, because many people see love this way.

Jackie Lehman

I love Opalite! And it's def one of the more timeless songs 💕

Jackie Lehman

It's real bad... I have zero merch from any era, but I think there has only been about 3 things I liked.

Jackie Lehman

Omg I couldn't open Patrion last night and went on Instagram - the theories out there are WIIIILD!!! The reaching is insane!!!

Jackie Lehman

I actually LOVE this take 🤣💓

Jackie Lehman

Happy Birthday 🎂🎈!! 🐍🪭🥳

Jackie Lehman

Eldest Daughter is pillow talk.

Jackie Lehman

Her merch has dropped. It is so hideous, I have no fucking words. It feels like a joke💀

Marianna

Interesting!

Chelsea Bauscher

🙋‍♀️🐍Do a vid on what you'd specifically ask her abt the new music

Me!

its been surreal watching Americans react to TLOAS

speedyceviche

I don’t think this album qualifies for 2026 Grammy’s but I do think Mayhem is a great choice!

Kelsey

That last take was so trite, straight from tr*mptok. Why isn’t Taylor aloud to just make a fun album? The album seems to be directly from the voice of the Taylor from the anti-hero music video who takes shots and has a blast. Also actually romantic feels like it’s from the pov of Renee Rapps’ Regina George. Listen to the mean girls a musical album and you’ll understand. Particularly the song “meet the plastics” I think Mean Girls has a lot more to do with this than people think

Brody

I love Showgirl (for fun) but I agree - it probably won't and shouldn't be nominated for AOTY next year. In my opinion, for this year - Mayhem should be album of the year. The Mayhem Ball was the most incredible arena concert experience I've ever attended. The depth and attention to detail was unbelievable. I love the music and Lady Gaga's concept for the album!

Claire Murphy-Sewell

emily ratajkowski and harry styles did have a fling for like a day. there was a video of them making out right beside a car that was all over twitter lollll

Allee Weathers

After her Tolerate It performance on the Eras Tour, I’m pretty sure she’s read it

Brianna Tullius

I think the way she’s been dressing, the head to toe Gucci for example, are Easter eggs for showgirl, “I like them cloaked in Gucci and scandal”. I think the over the top labels are part of the album.

Bswizzle

And as a final note, the best way to understand their podcast is that it’s their Kiki Lounge. They’re usually not trying to be serious on it and try to keep it light there, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t very serious elsewhere.

Liz

Happy birthday Madeline!!!!!💗💞💖💓💖💞💗

Emma S

Just wanted to offer a piece of good-faith constructive critique on the Kelce of it all. (I know the recent Kelce mentions have been more of a Kiki, offering this with a long term view.) I totally understand the prior approach of not putting too much thought into the purse because you’re here for the diva, but now that Taylor is merging her brand with Travis’s brand so publicly, not saying you need to become Kelceologist but I think it’s important to be able to at least superficially understand and accurately describe Travis and his family and their brand. I don’t think “Kardashians for rednecks” is an accurate way to describe them. For one, they’re very clearly positioned left of center on the political spectrum and rednecks actually really hate them. They do have a bit of an influencer quality to them, but the difference is that their entire platform is built on the back of Travis and Jason being two of the greatest football players of all time, not just colorful personalities who happen to be popular. In particular, core to their reputation as football players is not just that they’re naturally talented but that they’re so mentally tough that they play through excruciating injury all the time to miss as few games as possible. That’s really not the standard in the NFL. As for how they’re positioning themselves post football, beyond the podcast, Jason seems to be going to the football commentating route, while Travis seems more interested in acting in action and comedy films (he’s used The Rock as an example of the trajectory he wants - which isn’t super substantive or prestigious but to me is very different from the Kardashians who are just famous for nothing and for manufactured drama). Another important contrast is that their core brand, similar to Taylor’s, is very much built on authenticity and saying how you really feel even if it’s cringe or controversial. If you decide you want a crash course on the Kelce brand and how they curate their public persona, the “Kelce” documentary on Amazon prime is a good watch. It’s more centered on Jason but has plenty of Travis and their close knit family dynamic.

Liz

You’re right, charli did not expect Taylor to call her out, ever. Charli gives popular girl in school that blatantly makes fun of you in front of your face, laughing with her friends at you, and expects you to just stand there sheepishly and not stand up for yourself. Well, the pitbull bit back. Maybe don’t pull her tail next time.

Bswizzle

Zach please do a video/YT short roasting the merch collection that just dropped… to the surprise of no one it is SO BAD yet again. Taylor, girl, fire your merch team 💀

Areyna Schmidt

Taylor cannot become cool. She can’t buy her way into that lol

Ohdearjon

Is Opalite not THE hit? I don’t love love love it but I would think so? Catchy to regular people

Cathy Spyr

Tortured poets is the real showgirl album lets be real

Jaqi Jarboe

she wanted the Gaylors to know she likes dick lmao i'm dying......I mean she does make it undeniable with Wood. Fun take! lol

CaRo!iNe

I agree, I fear. The Grammys place a huge emphasis on commercial success, which means Taylor's chances of winning (when nominated) are always high.

Luiza Lodder

I'm confused. Do you think she needs to break up with him? What kind of changes do you mean? And he wasn't her muse of 2 years when she wrote it. The European leg was like 6-9 months into their relationship... I get not liking the album, that's valid and you're got plenty of company out there, but since she does something different every album I don't get not looking forward to something or being worried about it since you have no idea what it's even going to be... And honestly, from all these interviews, she dgaf if everyone loves this album; as she said if this isn't a time in your life where you're able to enjoy this album, that's fine, she's got 11 others, but for those who want to enjoy some light hearted fun with her where she's at in her life here's this album and you know what, that's fine. Different strokes for different folks.

Danielle

“Maybe read some Rebecca” took me out 😭😭 she should tho greatest book of all time

S

Great points on the one-dimensionality of Travis as a character on the album. I just think these songs were written in the really early days of their affair. It’s why there’s that element of resentment toward an unseen force (she’s still getting over the rat betrayal). This part of her life on the second leg of the Eras tour was “Wait, is this finally happening? Can I really have it all?” It may ring shallow compared to the early-days-Joe love songs on Rep, but that’s because there was inherent conflict in that relationship — not just in the circumstances around it

Elle Kaye

I think this press tour is in large part “Fuck You Heirloom Turkey.” She genuinely wanted to avoid the press for Rep, but she only did a little bit for Lover and Midnights — which I’m sure Joe gave her grief over. Tbh I think this whole era is “Hi, I’m back.” For all the internet meltdowns, she is growing her audience — I’ve seen so many people say “I’ve always been neutral toward her, but I love this!” When she was with Joe, she hid a lot of her personality. Joe she’s letting it all hang out (and regular people seem charmed by it.)

Elle Kaye

The way I was screaming GET HIM at that 2nd call.

Lisaboo

I always figured the bar in honey is at an awards show, like the VMAs or something. I don’t think she was implying she’s roaming the West Village.

Elle Kaye

I know a lot of tay agnostic people

Sarah

Totally agree with the “hit” convo. I don’t think this album has one in the traditional sense. I only started to like Ophelia because of the music video. PS you should read the poems! I wish/thought the album content would dig more into those themes.

Meagan

i was so confused yesterday lol. then i shrugged and enjoyed having extra content 🤷‍♀️ thank you for all that you give us

maeve

And if the gaylors were so desperate to gayify wood they could say it’s about a strap on ljbol

Sarah

Addison deserves an Album of the year nomination if I have to speak my truth

S

I wasn't worried about Taylor's musical future after I heard TTPD. After my first listen of TLOAS, for the first time I'm not looking forward to her next release. If this album was all she could come up with for her current muse of 2 years, then some changes need to be made.

Noni

Gaylors are saying Wood is about Karlie Kloss and sex toys. Seriously.

Lucia

Happy birthday to Madeline!

Melinda

wait i think this is the same thing that was uploaded to audio yesterday?

Kate!!!

Taylor went from being hyper-aware of public opinion to complete disregard. Those are two extremes. hope she finds her way to walk somewhere in the middle. It’s important to stay attuned to the current culture; songs like CANCELLED! or Wish List, while probably not meant to offend, just aren't appropriate.

Tara

Didn't someone mention "The Life of a Showgirl" being one of the last songs that were written and in the memo Taylor says "I think that might be the album title". So surely she didn't write with the Showgirl concept on her mind.

Tara

With the concept-execution - she said before that the concept is the life of a showgirl, what happens behind the scenes, when she is not in a spotlight. And in this story what happend behind the scenes is that she met "the love of her life". I can see that, but i understand the constructive criticism of the situation. Especially when it comes to the visuals, either you are "selling" showgirl or not, but i also see what she was trying to do. She gave a vulnerability aspect to the hard working job - you are seeing a showgirl, but there is more to it than meets the eye. She has a life outside of the job. Maybe that was the concept, but than again, why pushing the job part so much into our eyes via social media. Still - we talk about it. You see how this works?

Kate

Hi guys! I think there’s something really interesting in what you said about her mentality in love (us vs others) It’s very curious that this has been present since the very beginning (ours, i know places, delicate, bdilh, even in love story there’s that element of fighting against what others say). I think it’s part of her mindset when it comes to love, but what’s curious to me is that even in this happy, happy time of her life, she’s still in that mindset and in this album it seems to be redirected toward some women

Sabrina

Happy Birthday, Madeline!!!!

Gosia

Hello! New to the Patreon :) So happy to be here!! I was meant to go to the 1975 London show but life changes meant I had to book the Manchester night instead. I was DEVASTATED when Taylor Swift showed up the night I was going to book. To cope I kept thinking she might show up at the Manchester event. When it came to my night Charli XCX was the special guest. This was pre-brat (I LOVE brat) but I wasn’t familiar with her previous album. I can’t even describe the upset and disappointment that was on my face when I seen Charlie running around to Vroom Vroom Looking back I can’t help but feel that when Charli looked at my face - all she would be thinking is Sympathy is a knife So I feel I contributed to this beef. I know this is crazy and everything isn’t about me….but what if it is?

Shiv

like you guys touched on, this doesn’t feel like an album she wrote dozens of songs for and picked the best 12, this feels like she wrote 12 songs and went “well that’s the album!”

finalclaire

Idk if you guys talked about this in this video or the other one (lol) but re: the amount of work she puts out being more and more inverse to the quality of the work…I really think she needs a break. Like a substantial one (NOT a retirement before anyone comes for me!) Like she’s been touring nonstop for 2 years, has gone through several massive shifts in her personal life, and has put out multiple projects over that time. I can’t imagine she’s had a lot of time to sit and just be, let alone process or “cook” so to speak on any of this. This album genuinely convinced me she needs 2-3 years of just existing as a person and not working on anything.

finalclaire

No hate here guys! We love you and value your takes! Keep up the great content! Interesting thoughts around the pivoted voice towards women I wonder if because she's had so many men do her wrong in life and in relationships she has always roasted them in lyrics while putting other women on a pedestal... Now that she's got a great guy in her life she has given a more generalized pass to men so she must need to vilify women in the songs to have a literary foe. But that's also pretty showgirl of her - they play up the sexiness & charm to the menfolk and are cut throat with the female competition around you. ♥️

Michelle Your Belle! ♥

I feel like you guys are giving the Grammys too much credit like they actually award the best music every year. This album could totally win😅 Tortured Poets is better than Midnights and Showgirl so of course it would win nothing and the others everything. Idk about AOTY but I could totally see Ophelia winning best pop vocal

Lia Russo

not to mention the environmental impact of slop generators, there are already entire towns with no water because ai generated data processing plants are opening near them. As for the remark on what’s the difference between cgi and ai, ai is theft plain and simple. It’s trained entirely on people’s work and will only ever spit out a facsimile of what it intook, whereas CGI is an art form of it’s own that requires actual knowledge of art and composition and technology. I’m sorry for the long comment but the comments from Zach on AI have been so dismissive and hurtful to people that actually have had their work ripped or are already seeing the environmental effects.

Moth!!

I just wanted to say on the topic of the AI use that it’s so disheartening to see it as a creative who’s had my work fed into ai machines. Currently involved in trying to block my work that was stolen from continuing to be fed into these theft machines that spit back some soulless disgusting caricature of my own work and people that say they like me doing it themselves and showing it to me as if that’s ever something i’d enjoy - it’s more than just accept it and move on because that’s how the world works, there’s a reason actual artists in cinema in music in art are protesting this. It’s more than oh it’s already happening so deal with it, and the fact is, no you don’t have to deal with it things like sora ai and whatever shit they’re releasing now are being slammed by copyright for a reason, and that’s that artists don’t want their shit stolen from them, and it’s hypocritical of taylor to ever align her brand with theft of others art. I was really disappointed by Zach’s take on this, it felt so business minded and cold

Moth!!

1:20 "certainly get go on public" Oh honey... Well at least we het two🫰

madelon

You made my day in the office so much better with two phone a snake episodes. Love the content ❤️‍🔥

Robin

The life of being showgirls includes uploading the wrong video in front of thousands of people 😫😫 ❤️❤️ but they still clap and cheer

Grayson

Thank you for blessing us with another video

Preston


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