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EMINEM VS LUPE?

So I've been getting alot Eminem/Lupe comparisons from Knight Nation saying that Lupe is better and at least Eminems equal lyrically. How do yall feel about it and for all the Patreons that are in agreement that Lupe is better can yall send me the evidence so we can put this to the test. I'm very interested I just dont know enough about Lupe's catalogue and I havent heard anything that has made me think twice about it. This should be fun though, lets get it

EMINEM VS LUPE?

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Facts man

Ryan L

💯 bro

Ryan L

Nah

Christopher Zamora

I completely respect your opinion and of course music is art and art is subjective so it does all literally depend on personal taste, I would argue tho that apart from the shock value shit , Lupe can do all you’ve mentioned, I love competitive rap shit but shouldn’t split people into two sides haha , if anything the Lupe’s / Em’s / Kendricks and coles etc fan bases should be coming together appreciating how fuckin dope they all are. I’m a big Em fan personally too , just find it strange that some people are so boxed in to one artist they won’t allow themselves to really listen to anyone else , it doesn’t have to be a competition!!! 🤣, their loss I guess, One of the dopest things about Stevie channel is he does a lot of various artists/ genres , I go into all with an open mind, doesn’t mean I like them all but that doesn’t mean they’re shit haha. Anyway peace ✌️

ste skillen

Im def a stan but i dont knock another mans talent just cuz they aint Em lol. But as far as their comparison id say yea, lyrically theyre pretty damn close sure thing. But Em just covers sooo much more on the spectrum of a rapper. He can give you lyrical, they both can. But Em got the flows, the rapid fire, give you aggression, the multi syllable schemes, the internal rhymes, the end rhymes. He can talk his shit, he can talk politics, he can talk relationships, he can talk drugs, he can give you shock value, etc. yea and a lot of that is to do with Ems life experiences definitely. They are two diff people. Two diff lives. Ems been through it all and can rap it any which way possible. Like i said, lyrically sure theyre close. But Em has so many different skills and can compile them any which way. 👍🏼

Matt

Em has no equal And I'm not just some Stan The boy really has no equal

Zach Brown

My boy put me on Lupe, and he’s a monster, that dude is lyrically insane. I would definitely put him on par with em, and em is my favorite rapper. A battle between them would be WILD. Still then, em is better, but damn lupe is the closest person to even touch m&m

Gabe Robledo

I am a Lupe fan, but em is different. You still need to do more Lupe though. - you gotta finish mural 😂 - SLR 1 - Wav Files - dots & lines - adoration of magi

T Redlef

Lupe is definitely one of my top 5 rappers, and i put him above eminem on lyricism and em is one of my favorites too. My top tracks from lupe would be: -Mural -wav files -gotta eat -deliver -American terrorist 1 & 3 -mural jr. -dumb it down -unforgivable youth -brave heart -prisoner1 & 2 -adoration of the magi -little weapon -Manilla

Marco1o1

Lupe is good and I prefer his beat choices but lyrically he’s not better

TipToe

Lupe is more of an artist in the sense that his albums has concepts and layers almost like watching a movie. Em is dope but most of his topics are surface level to me i acknowledge his talent but I can't feel connected to his music.

Samir Abdullatif

I, personally, would put songs like Darkness up there with Mural.. I'm sure there will be people that disagree, but the way he structured that song and chose every word perfectly is just wonky.

Chris Ogden

don’t waste your time, whoever is saying that just smoked way too much tree and is talking out they ass

Tyler Carroll

My top 2 is 1 Em 2 Lupe I give Em the edge for being able to cover the whole spectrum, but Lupe is a close 2nd in my book. Check Lupe's Michael Young History saga written over multiple albums. Pretty sick

Jamison Hickman

No way Lupe is better he maybe one that you can say can maybe sound good on a track with EM as in he don't end up sounding like a vanilla ice rap compared to EM but no way is he better than EM period

Mike Ackerman

A lot doing Lupe dirty on here. For diversity of catalogue and longevity of course Em wins but when they are both at their best it is close

Kevin Ewing

Guess so, I fuck with both and see a lot of similarities with them, the creativity and execution of multiple styles of rap is dope, I think Lupe gets a bit more freedom in what he can do as an artist, look what happened when Em put out revival , the critics spotlight shines bright on Em and I do think that influences his projects to a point. Again, I’d love a collab with them both.

ste skillen

To be fair, mfs are saying that em is not even close to Lupe. Both fan bases got some delusional stans.

caleb

Lupe fiasco got plenty to choose from bruh: - Double Burger with Cheese - wav Files - Manila - The Cool - The Coolest - Little Weapon - Switch - Handcuffs - Adoration of the Magi - Little Death - Put Em Up - unforgivable Youth - The Emporers Soundtrack - Words I never Said - Atomic Misphilosophy - Hurt me Soul All conceptual and lyrical masterpieces.

Mustafa

So many stans on here 🤣 whether you think Lupe is better or not , to say it’s not even close shows a complete lack of understanding of his work, ironically how a lot of em fans feel about people that don’t fuck with em , both are dope lyrically, Em is just more mainstream, Lupe more artistic , Doesn’t make one better than the other, it’s just whatever you’re into. I’d love to see a collab between the pair of them.

ste skillen

Lue is dope always has been but the consistency of his work is what tarnished his legacy whereas Em has always been more consistent. Definitely not the MC to sleep on but better then Em in what ways? Content.. . Yes. . . .bars . . . Depends on your style and taste. Rhymes abd structure absolutely not.

Larry Botts

Even Lupe said he cant fuxx wit Em 🖐🤣

MimiLoveee♡

Um no lmaoooo

MimiLoveee♡

Really dig both of their styles and delivery. I’m more familiar with Lupe’s earlier work. This knocks: “Put You On Game” https://youtu.be/piGFQlOQOds No hook, straight bars.. beats is pure fire.

Justin Giangiuli

This ring, Red nose. " Anybody got a problem with me when your daddy was popping the twat? Instead of inside her, shoulda took you and shot in a sock" Tech don't have a lane, most people only think he raps fast but he's got bangers, in your feels, drug ballads, does rock music, great features. I'm seeing a lot of Lupe songs in these comments that'll ill have to check out tho. Em and tech have been in my playlists since the 90's so ill be biased regardless lol

EnVy316LeGeNd

lupe hard asf. but he ain’t on em’s level

Trevor Layne

No contest, Em easily wins this. Not shitting on Lupe though, dope lyricist.

Mohammed Amarneh

I don't listen to Lupe so this should be interesting.

Alonzo Bryant

Yea thats true, if stevie would just react to the whole projects of Food & Liquor and The Cool he would understand how Lupes different and can put together an entire cohesive album with a message but its a daunting task for most people.

Nico Russo

Lupe's lyrics are more complex but he can't hang with Em when it comes to flow, cadence, schemes, delivery and everything else. Both in my top 10 tho

GhostlyRipper

Sorry, should’ve specified that was a reply to the kikoolol comment.

Dylan Grunwald

Lupe said he can't fuck with Em. He got covered everyone else. so idk what you're talking about.

DHAIVAT

I think Mural alone puts him close to em. Every single bar held meaning and most of them held DEEP meaning.

Ralo1433

I'm DYING for some Lupe on this channel, if anyone deserves a week it's him!!!

dennis pugh

I don't believe Lupe is better, but he is one of the closest for sure!! Lupe has been is in my top 5 lyricists possibly top 3 for a LONG time. 🔥🔥🔥

dennis pugh

Its all good its not just you its this thread thats got me heated for the blatant disrespect for trashing Lupe when he is the dude who brought lyricism back to mainstream hip hop during the bling era of rap. Dude got trashed all the time for being too complex and lyrical, 15 years later plebs here who do not listen to rap outside of Em try and act like he’s a leaned out mumble rapper or some shit who cant sniff Eminems jock strap. Theres a conversation to be had but every other Em Stan just drops a comment that he is the goat and dips.

Nico Russo

This might be the most reasonable comment in this entire thread. Two greats in two different lanes. I understand competition is fun but when it creates toxicity between hip-hop fans it mostly just sucks.

Dylan Grunwald

Okay, you had me for a little bit but you lost me at the end. You basically started dissing Em and saying exactly what other people are saying about Lupe (unfounded statements). Saying that Em has 150 songs about drugs and toxic relationships is a vast overstatement. I'm not here to dick ride Em but he's proven that he can do every different style, cadence, rhyme scheme, syllable, he can do deep, he can be fun, he can do crazy shit, he expresses exactly how he's feeling, and he's reached the most amount of hip-hop fans. No disrespect to Lupe at all. He's top 10 at least, but to downplay what Em has accomplished or is capable of just because some Stans are being annoying makes you kind of just as annoying and biased.

Dylan Grunwald

Completely understand where you're coming from. Sorry if it came off like I was dissing Lupe he's incredible. But that's how I feel about Royce a lot of the time. Stevie saying that Em washed Royce on every BME song is just not something I agree with. Different people have different expectations when it comes to music, especially hip-hop. Yes, Em was barring but Royce sounded a lot better on BME to me (cadence, flow, tone of voice). To be fair I'm a bit biased because Eminem's SOUND (not quality) was at my least favorite in the Relapse-Recovery-BME era.

Dylan Grunwald

Having said all that. @stevieK. Try “dumb it down” to get a feel for how/why Lupe writes the way he does.

Nick Jensen

This conversation isn’t about replay value though. He’s talking about straight lyricism

Nick Hogner

Lupe could listen to any of EMs tracks and catch every bar on first listen, every double, every reference. EM could not do the same. Lupes pen and brain just different. He makes it metaphors intentionally complex and layed. Almost to a fault. 95% of listeners have no clue what hes trying to say. Having said that EM is definitely more entertaining, with cadence, punchlines, energy etc. Its a shitty comparison. They intentionally make different types of music. Lu has said alot of artists make better music, EM kendrick etc. But he has said no one can match him conceptually and he is right. I think alot of Lupe fans have love and respect for EM and what he does, but most EM fans wont take the time necessary to try and break down LUs pen. Its a full time job. Respect to 2 kings who are the best at what they do.

Nick Jensen

Without reading through all the comments... Didn't Lupe say he can't beat Eminem? Thought I saw that somewhere

WillyPete

Lupe is better see every night around 9pm he takes a sleeping pill of some sort and he waits and wait till bam it kicks in then he falls asleep. In his sleep he is the best in his dreams he has everything and I mean everything. Until 6am his alarm clock goes off and he realizes what its like to be Eminem. And he dose this every night. Lol

TAylor

Seriously i just need to get off this thread cuz the disrespect to him is hilarious when these are the same dudes that cry every 2 months when someone says some shit about Eminem. They really be in here trying to say get off the Lean and skateboard away when they have obviously never tried to listen to Lupes music, including stevie asking for “evidence” like he couldnt just stop doing 3 Em reactions a day and try out some more of Lupes catalogue.

Nico Russo

Reading this comment section makes you remember why people hate on En. They project the hate some of his fans deserve on him. As an overrall rapper I'd have Eminem over Lupe. Lupe doesn't have that many flows, can't switch his cadence as flawlessly and just doesn't give as much emotion in his voice I feel. Now if we only judge their pen ? Like Lupe might the best of all time. His concept songs, metaphors and intricate schemes are just way more versatile than Em. Like if you think about it Em' has 150 toxic relationships songs, all his doubles/triples are about the game/drugs/women, and he has many bars about drugs/smoking-weed/mechanics etc. There's a reason people say he fell off. During his SSLP era he was one of the most creative rapper painting every time a new and super vivid imagery which to me is way more interesting than triples. But anyway even if you're given material to prove it none of the stans will listen to it / dissect it, let alone try to be objective about it. To be clear they're both in my top 10 and I actually have Eminem higher but if we only judge the PEN. Lupe all day every day.

kikoolol

Exactly which is why this question doesn’t really have an answer because they are both the GOATs at what they are trying to produce lyrically. Kendrick might be the best at riding both lanes of what Em and Lupe do lyrically but I digress. This thread just got me annoyed because of how much dick riding Em is getting when I know most people in this thread have not taken the time to listen to Lupes music(including Stevie) so why even have the conversation if its obviously going to be one sided and everyone is asking for “evidence” like Lupe has not had albums out forever for everyone in here to dive into if they truly wanted to. I can list out at least 20 songs that he has produced that masterfully show what his pen is and what makes him a very unique voice in the rap game, but at the end of the day everyone here should just get out of their comfort zone and go try out some new tunes instead of just listening to Em and people trying to emulate him.

Nico Russo

Lupe cool but Eminem is on a whole other level. Rhyming , schemes , cadence , flows, pockets, bending words, master wordsmith , complex rhyming and scheming , multi syllable , his entendres are crazy he can be talking about 5 things at once , storytelling, emotion , transitions , creativity , imagery. He has covered every single topic of hip hop almost , gangsta rap, social rap, political rap, conscious rap, raps about his life , motivational and inspiring raps. Being able to rap about content and still have bars and lyricism. He has mastered the art of rap. Lupe and Eminem are two different lyricists. Lupe’s bars are complex but You can list to an Eminem song a 100 times and still catch something new every single time. The fact he had to work even harder than lupe to get where he is tells me what I need to know. His body of work speaks for itself. Has songs you can laugh too and cry too as well. Pretty much you know what you’re getting with Lupe but Eminem is still so unpredictable

Titus 095

Nah.. Em would wash him lyrically.

Joe Asfour

Em said Redman is better than him, so what do that mean? Matter fact, both of them put 5-6 rappers above them publicly.

StacksCasino

😂😂😂😂😂 this is laughable, it's not even close

Joel Rogers

I also agree with you on different categories. Great rappers are great rappers, but they're great for different reasons. I think Royce vs. Em makes more sense but it seems like it takes a lot of effort for Royce to push his pen the way Em does.

Dylan Grunwald

I agree with you on Royce's handling of the whole situation. Some of his views (like anti vaxxing) rub me the wrong way but I can separate art from the artist. I didn't like how he handled the Snoop vs. Em thing (really, you would take Doggystyle over any Em album). I will admit that I haven't listened to nearly as much Lupe as Em or Royce, but Lupe destroyed Prisoners 1 and 2. Straight fire.

Dylan Grunwald

Lupe is nice with it but ain't touching Em!

romeyraww

Pretty sure Lupe said he cant fw eminem at a concert

Carlos Cortes

Yeah NA he not even close so that alien Marshall

Brian Agatone

The type of lyricism isnt really the same either so idk why people would compare them King Los vs Em would be a more interesting conversation even tho Los has barely put out any albums.

Nico Russo

Im just mad Royce has been a lil bitch and didnt respond to lupe or mickey facts, besides that I like Royce. The whole Drogas Wave is a crazy lyrical concept album thats executed very well, which is something that would cool for Em to do but he just puts out normal rap albums with hella bars and shit (not that I have a problem with it but I would love to hear Em drop the punchlines for an album and put out something meaningful to him). Thats why I think its pointless to compare because they have different styles of rap.

Nico Russo

I would like to see the evidence!

Jimmy McMinn

HA!! Tech n9ne is about the only one that can be really compared, just on the underground scene. Mural is nice don't get me wrong, but longevity, stories, bangers, cadence, impact...

EnVy316LeGeNd

I was being a lil extra, Royce def has some substance but its not on Lupes or Ems level in anyway. Hes def better than most rappers but theres levels to it

Nico Russo

Please enlighten me as to what Lupe has done that Eminem hasn't. Sounding like a poet doesn't automatically mean your content is deep, either. People ask Em to get deep and then shit on him when he does and cry that he isn't spazzing or angry. You seem to have a personal vendetta against Royce.

Dylan Grunwald

All the diss did was show lupe can come up with more bars lyrically in 4 hours than royces bum ass can do in 2 weeks, Lupe has a literal Mural in his discography (which Royce tried to emulate after talking shit and could not do because he isnt on Lupes level). All that being said Im sure Em could do alot of what Lupe does but hes never tried to so we will never know.

Nico Russo

Because you keep referencing Kick Push from his first album lmao, implying you know nothing about his discography but his most popular initial release

Nico Russo

I mean it's subjective, but saying Royce doesn't have substance/content is false. Tricked, Tabernacle, Power, Woke, his verse on Grip's album, etc.

Dylan Grunwald

For me I don’t see the hype of mural. After like 2 minutes of listening I get bored of the song, which means no replay value for me 🤷🏾‍♂️

steven

Lupe is good but Em on another level

Darren Boyd

Read my reply. I was asking how I sound like people that write off Em when I'm literally here defending him lol.

Dylan Grunwald

But thanks for proving my point that you need everything spoon-fed to you so Royce is right up your alley of all cadence but nothing meaningful to say lmao

Nico Russo

Bruh read my comment I said you sound like the people that write off Eminem, I didnt say I do lol

Nico Russo

This comment makes no sense. It's disrespectful to say that Lupe hasn't dropped anything crazy since 2007, and then say the same thing about Em. How do I sound like Em is washed and hasn't made anything good? Where in my comment do I imply that Em is washed? MTBMB, MMLP II, Hell: The Sequel, Revival, and Kamikaze have all come out since 2011 and Em spazzed on all of them. He's given us substance/deep tracks, rappity rap tracks, tracks full of cadence and flow, bar heavy tracks, a lot of everything, so I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Also, don't assume what kind of music I'm listening to. Way more lyrical than Royce? Uhhh Silence of the Lambda? I Got the Keys? Kick...push....coast your way on out of here.

Dylan Grunwald

Lupe is top 5 of all time and very close to Em imo but I think Em just edges it due to being slightly more versatile. Lupe is fucking insane though, him and King los are mind blowing

Colin Campbell

I mean you could just check out Drogas Wave and realize its not a competition lol. You could barely get through King Nas and the whole album is a crazy.

Nico Russo

Not comparable

Jasper

I mean Drogas Wave is easily way more lyrical than anything Royce has done and better than most projects Eminem has put out in the last decade, very disrespectful to act like Lupe hasn’t dropped crazy music since 2007 lol. You sound just like everyone who says Ems washed and hasn’t made anything good since his first few albums. You guys gotta start listening to more music than the Youtube clones of Em lmao.

Nico Russo

THIS ONE IS EASY FUCK NO he's not close Marshall can Rap circles around everybody

Eddie Brock's Venom

If people want songs to dive into from Lupe this decade than ill list some that are crazy SLR 2 Prisoner 1&2 WAV Files Mural Jr King Nas Manilla Dots & Lines Mural

Nico Russo

Idk depends what we are talking about, technically/bars def eminem. Writing and substance I would have to say Lupe, just depends on your rapper preference. I feel like Eminem is rarely coming with a woke/moving message and when he does its very surface level where as Lupe writes like a poet when he wants to express his view on the world. Cant go wrong with either, both cause me to relisten constantly to catch more and more good stuff. This is obviously a very eminem biased board to ask this question though as people hear are referencing Lupe like he hasn’t put out crazy music this decade lol.

Nico Russo

If these 2 do a verzus, Eminem definitely can't doing nothing commercial. He got to bring out the real songs. Lol

Kesa James

@Stevie that's fair, I'll put up Daydreamin, Prisoner 1 & 2, Mural Jr.

Sebastian Vera

No

Anna

Idk bout that one

Gio Racc

I really don't think this is even a comparison. But I am always interested in learning new things. Maybe I let my bias towards Eminem skew my opinion. Can't wait to hear the evidence showing Lupe is on Eminem's level. And I don't mean that as disrespect, I think Lupe is talented. Eminem is just different

kev_stee

I haven’t heard enough of lupe But I am still gonna talk out of my ass. My impression is that Lupe is more poetic than em. I don’t really know what people define as ’lyrical’. EM can twist and bend words lile No one else can. He can set up a sequence of rhymes to make two words rhyme that don’t really rhyme. EM is the way better rapper but who the better is lyricist is more difficult since people value different things When it comes to lyrics.

Kreshnik Raca

Nah I'd have to disagree on that one, Mural was a picasso everything open to interpretation, def much more advanced writing than the ringer. Depending on the listener u could have limitless meanings to that song. Ringer Em was spitting but it wasnt on the same level as mural, I dont think Em has songs that really compare to Mural from what I've heard from Em but even with that I still think Em has too much other stuff in his tool box. But I cud be wrong, I just dont know

Gregory Knight

Lupe can most definitely spit some heat, but better than Em...nah bruh, there's levels to this and Lupe the monster that he is is not on Em's level...let's keep it a buck

Dudley Wacha Okot

What???ya'll Lupe fans please get off the lean lmao..he good but no rap god

Eric Bagetis

Lupe is nice but he not on the same level.

Zachary Robinson

We need some proof, and this aint about classic albums thats subjective too, who has more in their rap tool box and if Lupe got more where's the evidence. I need receipts

Gregory Knight

Lupe?? SMH man. No disrespect to him, Lupe can snap on the mic….but GOAT conversation? Nah. I think Lupe has a verrrrry passionate fan base that are stuck in 2007 when he was skateboarding around. I’m in the minority here, but Royce proved that he was the better MC during their beef. Lupe hasn’t shown he can do what Royce did and Em is a caliber above that.

Dylan Grunwald

Em is different 🔥

Salem

Lupe is dope and in the elite tier of rappers but Em is God tier

Donald Godowsky

Feel like Eminem ringer is better that murals. Reason I bring up ringer because it’s the same format. Em and Lupe just straight rapping

steven

Guess what I am re watching right now Discombobulated on Scriptwork with Stevie 🔥 We need another collaboration from you guys. That one is hilarious 🤣 Hopefully we get a few chances before the end of the year with new Albums. Heard rumors of a new Eminem album, KxngCrooked is working on his classic album his masterpiece, so many potential options 👀👀 Set that Up Or maybe the primere of The Bottom Episode 5

Shadowlands _1

Yeah Ive heard that one, I'm a need more though. EM got too much in his tool box

Gregory Knight

I think Lupe is equal tbh, Lupe has as many unquestioned classic albums as Eminem does in the bank and as many others of equal quality as Em's second tier

Sebastian Vera

No. Just no. That’s like comparing KD to Kobe. No

Chris Sturgill

Lupe - Murals , Lupe can rap but Em different

MMD

Somebody gonna have to show something to back that up. Idk, Lupe nice. But if we just talking lyrically. Not a chance.

Jacob Kenyon

Even Lupe admits he is not there. He acknowledged that Eminem brain 🧠 works differently from everyone else.

Shadowlands _1

Hell nah Eminem is in his own category.

Jason Jones

Lupe can spit. But I don't know what he has that says he's better or can hang with Em

D Adams

I know Lupe has great songs but i never thought of him in the same category at EM. I’m definitely intrigued by this matchup

WyJaMa

Lupe??? Out of all rappers? Lupe not even in the conversation lol

Jay Carter

He’s nice with it, but they’re trippin

Mark


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