Let's talk about Aya, and Poll: Was Aya's path (and bonus endings) worth it?
Added 2023-09-14 23:12:50 +0000 UTCI wanted to take a moment to explain a bit of my thought process as well as my fear concerning Aya, her route, and her overall personality. This will include some spoilers for her path in Laura's route, so don't read this if you haven't finished it yet.
Some of you might be wondering why her path ended on such a good note (at least for her), or why she deserves so many good endings when Laura still doesn't have any. You might be thinking that I may have bent under the pressure of those asking for good endings. But while this isn't the case per se, I can't completely dismiss the fact that I may be influenced by all kinds of things without my wanting to. The themes that I personally really enjoy writing about—the ultimate sacrifice, the hero's journey, and subjective truth—are not very compatible with NTR, so I'm always fearful that I'll lose sight of what's important and start to create a bridge between two passions that are ultimately incompatible. So if you do think that I'm not going in the right direction, please tell me. My goal for this Patreon has always been to write hard NTR, and I don't want to do half-measures when it comes to the kink. I'll easily sacrifice storytelling for NTR. I know some would prefer the other way around, but that's not how I want to do things here.
Now with that being said, as I mentioned in the commentary of V0.9.6, the reason Aya's ending ended that way was because I lost against her. What I mean by that is that I created her in a way that the event in her path was not enough to corrupt her. This brings up my first fear; her personality.
I don't really think that her personality is very compatible with NTR. She gives off psycho-girlfriend energy, and I've rarely ever seen that type in NTR (unless it's reverse NTR). I'm not taking her personality as an excuse. I'm the one who created her after all. And I do see a path to corruption. But it needs more work. A 100k-word path (half of it being shared with Laura) is not enough to defeat Aya. And I think it's ultimately a good thing. If she'd lost at the end of her path, I think she would have lost a lot of her appeal in the process. She will fall. I promise you she will… even if I need to use bad writing to do so. But I hope you understand why she didn't in Laura's route. We just need to be a bit more patient. I think her character deserves her own route. And with the appropriate set-up… well… this is a NTR. Her ass is her biggest asset, and I'm sure everyone wants to see it.
The bonus endings were mostly for fun, though it does give a bit of clues and insight as to her lineage and her perspective on the world. Some people might think it creates paradoxes with the rest of the story, but I don't. Those endings—those outcomes—were her last resort. I won't go into details. I think her route will answer most of the questions… though people will always find ways to criticize. These bonus endings were planned since the first ending. Aya usually will give up on everything if it means her survival… but I knew people wouldn't be satisfied with her disappearing each time shit hit the fan. I wouldn't be satisfied. At least with those small endings, it shows that if Harry does care for her, she will be there for him. It shows that she does care… and I think it gives depth to her character and her own route.
For my second fear, because her character is a bit incompatible with NTR, I fear that her route will not be as satisfying. I don't know yet. I'm still in the middle of writing it. And I'm trying my best to take my time. There will be fewer endings in her route than in Laura's route. But I want to try a different pace. With my previous works (and this includes the beginning of APBLU), I didn't quite take as much time for the initial setup—for the relationship. I didn't have the budget, and I needed to make some concessions. Also, it's extremely hard to know how much shit the readers will accept for a bigger payoff. More romance with the characters means more time before the juicy parts... but it also means that it might hit harder in the end. With APBLU I learned that you guys are pretty fucking patient. So now I'll try something a bit different. Not too different, but just a bit. Will it work? I don't know. But because of it, and because Aya is just that hard to corrupt, I wouldn't be surprised if Aya's route takes almost as long as Laura's route to complete. And that's with only 1 or 2 endings. So buckle up. Better like those characters because we're not done with them, and that stresses me out quite a bit. I'm pretty much all in on that story, and if it somewhat fails to capture interest because of fatigue (which would be legitimate at this point), that will set me back quite a bit.
I won't lie, I personally would have preferred to end APBLU this month and start something new. I like changes of pace, and I'm not attached to any character in particular. But I promised at the beginning of the project that Aya would have her route… and I do think she deserves it. Maybe I shouldn't have given her such a personality. I like my female characters when they are strong-willed, for better or for worse.
I guess I just wanted to write this in order to prepare people for a long and maybe miserable ride. I'm giving my best shot, but I always have this constant fear that I'm no longer able to capture what makes NTR so complex and gripping. I don't really have time to study the kink anymore, but maybe it's just that writing constantly about it makes me a bit desensitized by the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if this is all in my head, but since my goal is not just to write a NTR story but to write an experience, I really dread the moment when my writing just feels soulless.
Anyway, next month will be the beginning of Aya's route. It will start slow—the first two updates will be a bit smaller because my artists need to keep up—and the pacing will be slower as well. Next month will also mark the second anniversary of A Promise Best Left Unkept. I appreciate all of you. And if Aya's route somehow sucks ass… well we'll just have to scrap everything and try something else. As long as you guys keep giving me chances, I'll keep trying.
Comments
The Aya endings are fantastic. I think they add such a fun dimension to the world of APBLU. It's a nice change of pace to have more positive endings after experiencing all the other endings. Plus, it's a cool twist to kind of switch to reverse NTR at the end. I really enjoy the non-traditional elements you bring to the genre. Makes it feel fresh and exciting.
tittyridiculous
2023-09-17 15:09:38 +0000 UTCI like the "the ultimate sacrifice, the hero's journey, and subjective truth" part and I think you really have done some great job about them. Hero endings are my favorite endings, and I really like the character arcs Laura is showing in these endings. I believe there are still areas that have not been written about. For example, some NTRS style that Harry have to give Laura to Luca (actively or by force) in other to fight against Luca (going it alone or teaming up with Laura). I don't know, anyway, just some my personal ideas. What I want to say is that, I'm sure you still have potential in the subject of your writing and at least for now, you have been always doing good job, so just keep writing.
sch_war
2023-09-17 02:57:46 +0000 UTCWell, as someone who’s only recently been following APLU since April/May (it was ranked #1 on a Reddit NTR tier list) I think hearing the perspective from someone who has only ever seen the recent ‘completed’ work helps. I think the best decision, if everything up till now has resulted in what APLU is, would be to follow what you think is best for the project. Contrary to other people, I think having one good ending is important. But I do agree that 1 or 2 corrupted Aya routes would be hot. But other than that, it’s fine if you want to move on. But Aya would definitely be incomplete without her corruption. This is, other than Adelaide, one of the best NTR titles by a long shot. I like what was done with Laura, her mother, Hellen, etc. so I believe it’s ultimately best to have the person who thought of the scenarios do what he thinks is best. Hope the perspective from a newer person helps!
TitanX
2023-09-16 00:24:28 +0000 UTCJust want to throw my opinion out there and echo some of the previous comments that my vote would be to move on to a new project. I too have grown a little bored of the same characters that we have seen for so long now. I remember waiting desperately for each update to come out when Laura was first being corrupted, and I would love to see a new project with new characters and new motivations to bring me back to that feeling again.
Ryknight5
2023-09-15 21:12:46 +0000 UTCYou are right, gonna downgrade that confidence to around 85%. Gotta keep you on your toes. Take that homelesness as a positive pressure~
Nemris
2023-09-15 19:25:18 +0000 UTClol, yeah I can easily imagine Aya do that. We'll see ^^.
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:24:10 +0000 UTCThe bonus scene is a bonus. It's not exactly an accurate portray of corrupt Aya. It could resemble it, but even for me it's still a bit vague.
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:21:57 +0000 UTCWell, I would advice against having 'full confidence' in me, but I'll still take it. What's the worst that can happen anyway? T-That I fail miserably and become homeless? A-Ahah... doesn't affect me a-at all...
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:20:37 +0000 UTCYou'll be missing out on the best part! But yeah, I can respect that. Thanks for the support either way!
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:17:52 +0000 UTCI do think there's a lot to gain by taking it slow and establishing the relationships between the characters. With what I know now, and with my budget, I'll probably aim for that from now on. Even for APBLU, I would have loved to show Harry and Laura's relationship a bit more, but I think it's a bit late for that.
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:16:43 +0000 UTCAya will have her route still. But yeah, don't expect too much from the good ending lol.
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:13:34 +0000 UTCIt's understandable. Unfortunately, I already decided to write Aya's route. I'm still writing a shorter story on the side. Finger crossed that it become good enough to turn into another side project.
hangovercat
2023-09-15 19:12:40 +0000 UTCI can see Anya working with NTR by having her get addicted to Luca's cock, but selfishly not wanting to let Harry go, and instead trying to turn him into a cuck. Maybe even working with Luca to corrupt all of Harry's other options.
Honin
2023-09-15 17:50:35 +0000 UTCI really liked the ending a lot! One of my favorite endings with Aya. She was amazing. That being said, I wouldn't mind moving on to a new project after Laura's route is finished. We can get Aya aswell, with these endings, which is great.
Rob Jo
2023-09-15 13:14:33 +0000 UTCI will stick around as long as it takes to corrupt Aya. Could be years, I don't care if it is to see this impossible-to-corrupt girl falling in love with Luca ^^ quite the challenge but I am sure it will be worth the wait 👌😌 I especially like the slow burn ntr and emotional build up with the hero... so go for it !!
Leo
2023-09-15 13:12:16 +0000 UTCThis comment's point highlights some aspects of Promise quite well: the story has good characters going on even at points when the NTR is not at its strongest.
Nemris
2023-09-15 10:12:04 +0000 UTCHonestly don't know what to think, I would be lying if I said that that I aws not disappointed not seeing Aya being corrupted in her ending, having also slept with both Harry and Luca and she did not think of comparing them at all. I do wish to see an ending where Luca gets everything and everyone. This also applied to the previous Bonus Scene but with this latest one I finally caught a glimpse of what a corrupted Aya could be.
Keiesme
2023-09-15 09:55:12 +0000 UTCBeen looking forward to hearing these thoughts of yours. One point that I picked up on was that the actions Aya does in her endings are her "last resort", and I felt this aspect was very significant for me while playing the endings. It was hinted, somewhat clearly but only mentioned, that what Aya did was indeed her last resort, her nuclear option, but because we only see the results and certain POVs, we don't see what Aya had to do in order to deploy her Yakuza card. It almost seems like, and I am only using this wording because her ass is her biggest asset lol, asspull. It gave an impression on an emotional level despite the hints making me understand there is a clear logic behind this all, that Aya was always this dangerous individual who could have crushed Luca at any time. That feeling did not sit well with me, which is why I think the most important aspects for me in the coming Aya route are 1# what Aya had to sacrifice/do in order to receive the nuclear yakuza button, because she seems far more lowly mortal like the rest of us while not having that weapon, and 2# how the NTR is handled in regards to the existence of the nuclear option/ how can Aya be disarmed of it. It always seemed like Aya had left behind her roots, and only returned to them when forced to resort to them. I look forward to seeing how this dynamic is resolved. It might just be one of the biggest aspects of Aya that needs to be settled. Oh, and no worries about anything else like the pace and so on, with those aspects I have full confidence in you Hself. Oh, and thank you for your conscious commitment to the kink; makes me more relieved that you keep in your mind your stories will serve the kink and not the other way around. What I am trying to say is I appreciate how you understand why we are here and that NTR stories require a certain focus even if the author has some desire to write other things as well.
Nemris
2023-09-15 09:23:20 +0000 UTCI personally like Aya too much to watch her succumb to Luca so I'll probably finish with the Good Ending myself
Deano
2023-09-15 04:52:24 +0000 UTCI just want to make a comment about the whole patience thing. I'm of the opinion that NTR is at it's best when it hits like a truck. Which usually means that you need to build up the romance so that you care when the NTR actually happens. And if that means that you need to spend a good portion of your next project just building up the romance, I think your patrons would stick around for it. But, you should write what you want to write.
Trashman
2023-09-15 01:08:45 +0000 UTCI honestly wouldn't be mad about moving on to a new project. As much as I love APBLU, I can already recieve everything I enjoy about NTR from the routes we already have. Though I would like to see the good ending.
SDH
2023-09-15 00:27:50 +0000 UTCHonestly wanted more aya throughout the story. If not a more girls maybe a small chest short goddess of a woman in the next game.
Abuus
2023-09-15 00:27:24 +0000 UTCPersonally would love to see a new game. The NTR spark dies out especially when it’s super long. The peak is usually always at in the beginning and middle
Jaden123
2023-09-15 00:02:11 +0000 UTCI liked the ending, less so for the NTR but more for the characters. It was an interesting ending to say the least and I did enjoy it. I appreciate you trying to explore different ideas, always for that, better than doing the same thing over and over. That being said, if I’m being completely honest here, I was somewhat hoping for you to move onto another project sooner rather than later. These are ofc my own opinions so I’m only speaking for myself, but to put it bluntly I am getting a little bored. I am ultimately here for the hard NTR and the corruption and degeneracy doesn’t hit as hard anymore because they are the same characters, but idk that’s just how I feel right now about the project, still love the work you’re doing so far. Maybe I’ll feel different about Aya route, I am still looking forward to what you cook up.
AhegaoLover
2023-09-14 23:40:54 +0000 UTCHard question to answer honestly. I can’t deny I enjoyed Laura’s route more. But that’s also because that’s had the most time built up to it so that also why I enjoy it more, not because I just prefer one character over another. But I can’t deny Aye has her own appeal and personality like you said. And I get you getting perhaps desensitized to NTR due to writing it so much. Perhaps taking a break and enjoying other sources of NTR can revitalize your interest, although I’d understand if you can’t because you gotta make ends meet and such. And I wouldn’t be opposed to you ending it here and starting a new project either. That could also help you revitalize your passion for NTR while also enabling you to set up things you like to write about like the hero’s journey. Perhaps the hero’s journey can be what the ‘antagonist’ goes through, perhaps stumbling into NTR somehow, going through trials and tribulations, and returning home a conquering NTR antagonist like what most NTR antagonist start off as in most stories. You get my drift, you can set you stuff you enjoy writing about. But back to the actual question. If you think you can pull off Aye becoming corrupted I say go for it. While it will take time, if you’re willing then so are most of us willing to wait for it.
Romj
2023-09-14 23:39:23 +0000 UTCIf there isn't an ending where both she and Laura fully secumb to big dick together, there needs to be.
sol que
2023-09-14 23:25:01 +0000 UTCLet her personality be overcome with the pleasure of that big cock plowing her without mercy. Sort of a mind break followed by corruption - I guess that's more "traditional" NTR maybe?
MixWizard
2023-09-14 23:21:39 +0000 UTC