AoS 5x07 FULL REACTION
Added 2018-11-28 21:12:06 +0000 UTCI loved this episode sm!!!!!
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And I have only spoken on the episodes that Juli is watching, I haven't spoiled anything or gone beyond what is reacted to here. Everything you said about him is not true according to canon, you keep saying he is about himself - yet the fact that he didn't sell all of them out at the very beginning and helped them stay quiet and hidden showed that self preservation isn't everything he does - he literally got stabbed trying to help Coulson and likely saved his life in the process in that fight with the kree. Deke does work well with others, he clearly worked well with Virgil and he and Tess work well, he only doesn't work well with the team who not only treated him rudely from the very beginning and was judgmental as hell, but they have twice thrown him into walls and got physical with him - why would he work well with these specific people? And being a jerk to Daisy? What about Daisy being a jerk to him? Deke got them out of Kree prison, yet Daisy's judgmental attitude just started to assume that Deke is just worried about his secret business and she was proven wrong because Deke's business is already known and accepted by the Kree and they are fine with it, then she starts judging how he's being nefarious by trapping people in the framework when Deke only used it to provide some relief for everyone on the Lighthouse and himself because they don't have real sun or real fresh air or anything that Earth has, and then when Deke tried to offer help to get Simmons, even saying that he will get her an invitation in to Kasius but they just can't storm in now, Daisy is the one who quaked him into a wall. You can bring up the "selling into slavery" all you want, but where is Daisy's sympathy for someone who was BORN INTO SLAVERY and has been trying to survive? What makes it okay for Daisy to just quake people around because she can? If Daisy was a man and Deke was a woman, you people would be screaming assault and abuse but because she quaked a guy, that's all cool because YAY DAISY GIRL POWER. Why is Daisy not a jerk for being presumptive and judgmental and actually getting physical with people? She wanted to get Simmons and she didn't care how many people could get hurt in retaliation in the process. And as I've stated many times, Deke sold her out because she literally was going to storm in and cause another renewal that would get more innocent people killed just because she thinks her friend is more important than people on the Lighthouse. Deke doesn't owe Daisy anything, she not only got physical with him and refused to listen to him consistently telling her how fragile life is on the Lighthouse and is literally willing to do something that could get other people killed, she was every bit a jerk to him and if she wanted to get in then he was gonna just give the best way last minute plan to get her in. Just because Daisy wants results now doesn't mean Deke was wrong for playing the long game and protecting the people he needed to protect. I would have sold out Daisy too if she got that way with me - some random stranger don't get to come into my house, judge my life, and then consistently do stupid things I warned them not to do at the risk of everyone else I know. She was a threat, and Deke did the only thing he knew to do. It doesn't make him a jerk, it makes him a realist and pragmatist - not just someone tooting their own horn over moral purity for brownie points.
Artemis9991
2018-12-01 01:23:35 +0000 UTCWell for me I can only speak on the episodes as Juli reacts. I am reacting as she is to what is being shown in the here and now. Going beyond that would be spoiling the show. Deke is a character I do not like and everything I said about him is true according to canon. Deke is all about self preservation, does not work well with others, and is being quite a jerk to Daisy. Plus he sold her into slavery. That makes him a jerk.
Nanci Fenstermaker
2018-11-30 22:32:54 +0000 UTCFirst of all, you can tell someone that their behavior is bad and teach them to be better, treating someone else badly by actually risking their life while they came up with the plan to help you escape, that’s not teaching a lesson, that’s literally risking someone’s life because you think they matter less as a human value than your friends, which, quite frankly, this team has had a habit of entirely not understanding how much their actions have affected other people’s lives. As I’ve said before, just because Deke didn’t want to risk his life to go save Mack and YoYo, it didn’t mean that the team should get to force him into a wall and make him talk. And just because Deke was trying to stop Daisy from doing something that could cause a huge retaliation on people living on the Lighthouse, doesn’t mean she gets to get physical and quake him into a wall. And Coulson locking up Deke in his room, let’s not even pretend they had an exit plan to let Deke out eventually. If Deke hadn’t gotten himself out, he’d been left locked in there to die of starvation, and this was after Deke got stabbed trying to save Coulson in a fight. And now they make him go last, risking his life in an escape that only is happening because he was the only one to come up with a plan. This team has had a condescending first world attitude about the Lighthouse for a while now, Mack’s comments have made that judgmental attitude very clear. The team can’t possibly wrap their head around what it is like to grow up being a slave so really they have not much ground to judge their behavior in a environment that the team has never had to experience.
Artemis9991
2018-11-30 03:15:14 +0000 UTCSorry man, but although I can understand the environmental issues that might make a person grow up to be gruff and come off like a jerk, that doesn't make it right. And sometimes the way to illustrate to someone that they behaviour sucks is by treating them badly, which is what the team did. And man, is it hard to address this point without spoilers.
Alvin Cura
2018-11-29 23:09:39 +0000 UTCThe Zephyr is the large plane that replaced the bus.
Thadman
2018-11-29 08:54:32 +0000 UTCI don’t disagree that both sides of Deke and the team has validity, they are all behaving as they are due to their respective environments and mindsets of where they grew up. I just think that Deke deserves more credit than people have been willing to give to him, that’s all. :)
Artemis9991
2018-11-29 07:59:32 +0000 UTCI think you both have excellent points and I think the writers wanted us to see both sides of this argument. Especially the sacrifice one to save the many idea that you all know daisy has trouble with throughout this season. Deke is about self preservation and not rocking the boat. He also doesn’t want people dying because of the teams actions. Those two ideas can coexists. One does not mean the other is invalid.
Christopher simeon
2018-11-29 07:30:13 +0000 UTCIf Deke was only all about himself, he would have sold all of them out the first chance he got to learn about who they were. Selling all of them out immediately would have made him rich, got rid of his problems with these outsiders, and made him high in regard to Kasius. BUT HE DIDN'T. And why would he have an interest in being a team with a group of people whom from the beginning has been judgmental to him, shading his morals just because they didn't grow up in slavery and had freedom and democracy? Right after he rescued them out of Kree prison, they literally forced him against a wall to interrogate him. What did he do then? He literally just helped them escape and just because he wasn't going to go face a bunch of Kree warriors to get Mack and YoYo that somehow makes it okay for them to force him into the wall and make him help? Right from the get-go the team did not treat him like a member of the team, instead of as an information source that they force to help and again and again doesn't even listen to the advice of. Deke didn't owe them anything from the very beginning, yet the team acted like he did. People keep saying Deke is all about himself, but he isn't, every time the team killed a Kree, he was worried about renewal, he was the one who told Daisy that humanity is a blink away from being wiped out so yeah, don't rock the boat. Did they listen? No. For a group of "spies" they continued to get into more trouble than staying out of trouble. Deke sold out Daisy only after she was going to storm into Kasius' place to get Simmons even after Deke warned her not to do it because Kasius would retaliate with more dead people, even after he said he could get her inside to get Simmons if she would just wait and let him form a plan so that she can waltz in with an invitation. Daisy didn't want to hear any of that and just wanted to get Simmons, which is fair, okay, she cares about her friend more than innocent lives she is putting in danger, sure. But Deke warned her, tried to stop her, and she decided to quake him against a wall. Deke at that point hadn't done anything to this team except providing them with help and information, yet they have not only judged him, despite his help, and got physical with him TWICE to get what they wanted. So, one person from the future who wants to get inside Kasius' place vs. a bunch of innocent people on the Lighthouse who could get killed in a renewal, what was Deke gonna choose? If Daisy was gonna pick Simmons over innocent lives because that's her friend, then why is it any different that Deke was gonna pick the lives of people he knew on the Lighthouse over a stranger who literally just quaked him into a wall minutes ago? Deke literally didn't have to do anything to help them, he could have washed his hands of them from the beginning as soon as he learned what they were and told Kasius and got his money and rewards if this is all about himself as you so claim. But he didn't. The team survived those early days because Deke helped them survive. And Tess may have offered payment, but Deke would have gotten exceedingly more reward money than anything Tess could pay if he sold them all out from the very beginning. And he didn't. Deke's only reasons for selling out Daisy was A) it was the only way it wouldn't blowback in a huge renewal and retaliation against everyone else and B) it was the only thing at the last minute he could think that would get Daisy where she wants to be with Simmons (and since she's the famous Destroyer of Worlds, Kasius would keep her alive) - so yeah, Deke killed two bird with one stone because it was the only plan he could think of on the spot that was a win win for everyone. Nobody would die in any renewals, and Daisy gets to where she wanted.
Artemis9991
2018-11-29 06:32:20 +0000 UTCFirstly, Deke didn't involve himself from the get go, he didn't know who they even were, and when he found out, he tried to get away from them as fast as possible, THEY were the ones who pulled him back in, and at one point even forcefully making him tell them things and trapping him against the wall. This is right after Deke pulled them out of nearly being killed by Krees. Yes the team didn't asked to be brought in, but the moment they were brought in, they were also judgmental and condescending and not to mention just didn't heed the warnings EVERYONE was trying to give them. Deke multiple times told them to keep their head down and out of trouble and they proceeded to do none of that and get into trouble. From the first episode, even when Deke hadn't done anything to them except pull them out of Kree prison and actually give them information, and helped them, they had already judged him, even though it was proven wrong their thinking of him - as I've said before, the team behaves like first world people in a third world setting, thinking they know "better" and have better morals and hence looked down on others if someone wasn't just nice and fuzzy about them. You say you don't fault the team for holding a grudge, then Deke should by all rights hold a grudge too, how many times did the team throw him against walls even before he actually did anything towards them? Deke tried to tell Daisy to not go after Simmons and to wait, that he could find another way to get her inside, she didn't want to listen and in fact used her powers to quake him against a wall. This is again, all before he did anything bad, he was trying to help them at that point and trying to warn her about how it would blowback on everyone else. People keep bringing up that he sold Daisy out to Kasius, yet doesn't bring up the facts that Daisy literally refused to listen to him trying to help, even offering ways to get her in, but she wanted to go it now and by herself even after Deke told her people could get hurt and another renewal could happen because of her. Daisy decided Simmons was more important than a lighthouse full of strangers, which is fine, okay, of course Simmons is more important to her. But Deke did the only thing to minimize damage, let Kasius stop her and no one else gets hurt. If anyone should be holding a grudge, it should be Deke who warned the team multiple times of their actions, which, again, they prove that they don't even listen to. I get that team is our heroes so we are designed to side with them, but facts remain, Deke didn't owe them anything and from the beginning, they treated him like he did. Deke told them the truth but they didn't want to hear so they don't. I'm not brushing over the facts, I'm stating them as it is. Deke is the reason they survived, and yet they are the ones to get physical with him. Deke also could have run in the fight with the Kree but helped Coulson when he was almost killed and got stabbed for it instead. Yeah sure, Deke isn't all warm and fuzzy and inviting like Tess is, but he helped them survived those early days even when they treated him rudely. He didn't have to help any of them, at any point, but he did. And again, I'm not saying they have to sing his praises and worship him, I merely stated that Deke deserved more credit than the team have been willing to give him. He has been the one to get them out of tight spots, and here again, it's Deke who comes up with the way to get out safely, and even when they judge him and use his tech and put him at last place and risk his life.
Artemis9991
2018-11-29 06:11:14 +0000 UTCHe literally sold Daisy to Kasius. Deke is all about taking care of Deke. I despised Deke and honestly that is a normal reaction to him. All he cares about is himself and that the team messed up his life. Yes I get why he was like that. That doesn't mean I have to like it or like him. They treat him actually the way he deserves. Like an untrustworthy outsider who has no interest in being on a team.
Nanci Fenstermaker
2018-11-29 05:19:46 +0000 UTCI think Mack is still working on the loss of Hope so that's why he keeps telling Flint that he'll be there for him.
Tom Sinclair
2018-11-29 04:55:26 +0000 UTCRobin also says to May that she is glad to see her again. I don't think we've seen when Robin and May met.
Tom Sinclair
2018-11-29 04:54:27 +0000 UTCThanks Juli for continuing with this amazing show. We, the fans of Shield Agents, will always appreciate when someone else discovers this series, since very few people give it the appreciation and time it deserves. On behalf of everyone, I send my love to you for continuing despite the limitations of this season compared to others, but the team continued to deliver their maximum effort, for us who love this series.
Leopold Fitz
2018-11-29 04:18:34 +0000 UTCin their defense, though, they didn't ask to get brought into his home they were literally kidnapped and all they're trying to do is get back home and all he keeps telling them is basically hunker down and accept that this is their new home. and deke HAS lied to them multiple times not to mention he sold daisy into slavery. flint never did those things. deke has even acknowledged that he's not the most trustworthy person and that he had betrayed them multiple times he's always been up front about that his one job in life has always just been to try to survive and i don't fault him for that but u really can't blame the team for holding a grudge either. literally none of them asked to get brought here and deke involved himself with them from the get go. i love my boy deke but you can't just brush over the facts when trying to defend him.
Linsey Morris
2018-11-29 01:05:23 +0000 UTCDeke doesn't get enough credit tbh, like the team is the one who came into his home and basically started so much drama and upended his life and he's actually trying to help them and they still treat him like shit - even though they couldn't have escaped or gotten out without his ideas. They treat him like some stupid outsider rather than someone who has on multiple occasions gotten them out of trouble and someone they should actually treat better without condescending attitude. Deke grew up no different than Flint, in fact, as a kid, he probably was like Flint, only Flint has powers and he's got people who care to look after him while Deke grew up scared and alone and only knew to rely on himself because his parents died for the SHIELD cause. It really bugged me in these early season episodes the way they treat him.
Artemis9991
2018-11-29 00:15:08 +0000 UTCGravitonium makes an appearance after being in last seen in season 1 . the writers never forget anything lol. Yes the girl is robin ad she is old now. kasius is such a interesting villain. i found myself rooting for him to kill his brother. sinara theme is so epic when she enters a room. listen out for it next time you see her. great reaction as always. How is your back by the way.
Christopher simeon
2018-11-28 23:03:00 +0000 UTCGreat reaction Juli! Honestly, I dare anyone to tell me another show that is this consistant with the quality of each episode...XD. Yes, the first season started of rocky..but after that, it's been smooth sailing ever since. Not even GoT (Which is my number 1 favourite show of all time) is this consistant IMO.
Billieboi
2018-11-28 22:31:44 +0000 UTCoh this episode was so good!! i loved the little fitzskimmons golden trio moments we got it was long overdue. my favorite line delivery in the episode was deke's "WE ARE SO STUPID!!" it cracks me up every time. jeff ward's comedic timing is a work of art.
Linsey Morris
2018-11-28 22:24:37 +0000 UTCMack and Yo-Yo as parents! 🙏🏽
Jonathan Jones
2018-11-28 21:57:25 +0000 UTC
