Grady reminds me of how my mom said to me once that she didn't want me to be gay because she didn't want me to be hurt. I told her "then don't hurt me". Sometimes is a true intention to protect, sometimes is real rejection hidden behind a fake excuse of protection, sometimes is both. And yet, it's always a way to exclude you, no matter the intent. I can't imagine what it was like to live in those years, how scary it could be to know you have to be careful or your actions will be used against you just because of your skin color. I can't imagine it know, much less then.
Dove
2020-05-21 01:19:29 +0000 UTC
The bible passage that Ruth sends to Idgie, Ruth 1:16, (for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge; thy people shall be my people) is often used for marriages and has been referenced by so many wlw couples in movies/TV. So many queer ladies saying "where you go, I go." Even in the 100 when Lexa kneels to Clarke where she says "I vow to treat your needs as my own, and your people as my people."
Haughtbreaker Nic
2020-05-20 23:20:43 +0000 UTC
It’s also interesting, and a sad indictment of the times, that Grady goes from saying racist things to being one of the “good guys” when it become clears he’s not actually in the KKK like Idgie thought. The bar was very low for being a good guy then (as long as you’re not out there lynching black people, not wanting them to be served at the same restaurants as white people is okay). I understand that Grady’s main issue stemmed from him not wanting other, more racist people, to retaliate against Idgie for disregarding segregation rules and all that Jim Crow nonsense, but I hate this kind of thinking too. A lot of parents are this way with their kids. They try to keep them from being “different” so they don’t get bullied by other kids at school. I hate the idea of making concessions for bullies, bigots, racists, with the idea of protecting someone from their hate instead of realizing that those hateful people are the problem, not those who are different and those who are kind and accepting to those who are different.
Teresina
2020-05-20 19:08:47 +0000 UTC
Ninny definitely wasn’t Idgie, because when she first started telling her stories, she said she had a crush on Buddy and married into the Threadgood family when she married Idgie’s brother Cleo. She wasn’t even in the stories she told about Idgie and Ruth or she was a very minor character that we did not even see onscreen, and she definitely wasn’t there during a lot of Idgie and Ruth scenes, but she knew a lot of things she couldn’t have known so it’s kind of weird I guess when you really think about. A lot of movies and shows do this though, with a narrator that talks about things that happened that they couldn’t have possibly known about because they weren’t actually there and at best they would have had to have heard it secondhand from someone that was there but it still doesn’t make sense they would have been told such intimate details (I’m thinking about about Rue in Euphoria, narrating things she couldn’t possibly know, like about Nate as a child for example). It’s kind of hard to wrap your head around it, and the natural inclination is to think the narrator must be an important person in the story, like the main character telling their own experiences from a third person point of view, but that isn’t always the case. Sometimes you just have suspend reality and just accept that the narrator is apparently omniscient. I watched a movie recently where the omniscient narrator turned out to be the family dog who described things that happened between characters that were hundreds of miles away when he never even left the house sooo....🤷♀️
Teresina
2020-05-20 18:07:27 +0000 UTC
All this! That’s what I meant when I told Juli when I watched this as a kid with my my mom, I viewed it a totally different way. I thought Ruth and Idgie were just really good friends. And in the movie they never actually became more than friends, but the subtext is still there that their feelings for each other were not strictly platonic, but it was 1930’s in rural Alabama so... Even nowadays in the Deep South, and lots of other places in the world, homosexual feelings and attractions are repressed and hidden all the time. But yeah, when I watched this movie when I was a bit older and not so naive (it was really recognizing my own same-sex attractions that allowed me to pick up on sapphic undertones that I was oblivious to as a child) I saw this movie in a totally different way. And then I read about it and read the book and realized the movie had been “straight-washed” for public consumption. I have more to say, but posting this now so I can actually watch Juli’s reaction to this, because I just woke up. 😁
Teresina
2020-05-20 15:13:21 +0000 UTC
Fried Green Tomatoes is part of lesbian history! It's explicit in the book that Ruth and Idgie are a couple but the movie was made in 1991 and the director and producers decided to leave it at subtext for the film although the actresses and the screenwriter (who was also the writer of the novel) wanted to make their relationship clear to the story in the movie. The part where Idgie gets the honey for Ruth is when Ruth falls in love with her in the book, you didn't mistake that look! But Ninny is not Idgie. The film implied she was for some reason in that last scene (and many people believe her to be, especially those who refuse to see Ruth and Idgie are more than friends) but it's clear they are not the same in the novel. My parents love this movie and they have never realized the lesbian undertones of it, lol, straight people are so clueless.