Shameless 10x09 FULL REACTION
Added 2022-10-14 01:13:37 +0000 UTCI feel so bad for Ian 😥
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i cant wait for the next three episodes i think you'll love the season final especially, these are the only reason i became a patreon
Sara Schwartzenhauer
2022-10-18 01:01:18 +0000 UTCOmg so excited for your reaction to the last three eps of this season
Dani
2022-10-17 20:37:30 +0000 UTCbecause it is about his bipolar disorder, because that is why he said that.. im not defining him by it im trying to explain how it works but youre not listening. we are getting nowhere with this so im gonna move on with my day, i hope you have a good one
j-l
2022-10-16 20:20:36 +0000 UTCWhen I said that first comment, that had nothing to do with him being bipolar in any way. You're the one making it about his bipolar disorder. I have not ever mocked anyone about their mental illness and never will. Frankly, I think it's pretty fucked up to just define a character's life and all their traits by a disorder. That's pretty insulting to real life people. His name is Ian Gallagher, not Mr. Bipolar. And yes, he can get over his thoughts and he can move past them, because he loves Mickey. You said it yourself, he can control how he responds to them. And that's exactly what he should do. Trust Mickey and move on with the marriage.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-16 17:48:50 +0000 UTC''Ian: "HoW dO yOu KnOw YoU ReALlY LoVe mE?" Bruh, I guess Mickey getting himself arrested and betraying a drug cartel to be with you, just wasn't enough for you Ian huh. Not to mention everything in season 5. Holy crap.'' thats what i got the insensitive part from at first. because it has nothing to do with it not being enough for him. no matter what mickey does ian is always gonna struggle with those feelings, that is out of his control and being annoyed with him for not seeing that is insensitive. to some degree everything in his life IS affected by his bipolar, yes that is what im saying. and if you dont think thats true then you dont know how mental illness works. im not saying he has 0 control of things, all i talked about was his insecurities and how he cant control his thoughts, not that absolutely everything thats happened in his life was bc of his bipolar. i feel like youre just not hearing me at this point. and ian not having conscious control over his thoughts and doubts is not something you can agree or disagree with, its a fact. thats how the brain works. hes just in control of how he responds to it, but he cant just get over the thoughts and put them aside just like that. whatever your feelings are about ian or the way he handles things is your opinion, youre entitled to it and i agree with some things. i just dont like the way youre talking about and dismissing his disorder. i dont think you rlly understand how mental illness works and i just wish for you to educate yourself on some things. yes ian is a fictional character but his bipolar is a very real thing and accurate to real life. so you are in a way speaking of real life people. you dont have to make excuses for him bc hes bipolar, thats not the point im trying to make. im just asking you to see things from his side and understand that a mentally ill persons pov is often gonna be different and that that is not that persons fault. you dont have to agree with ian in this situation to see any of that.
j-l
2022-10-16 16:11:01 +0000 UTCI am not mocking or insulting people with bipolar disorder in any way. I don’t know where that came from. I am in no way speaking about any real life bipolar people, just Ian the shameless character. The way you wrote it is like every single action, thought, or feeling Ian has is under the control of his disease. Like he has no free will of his own. But, if we do go down that road then where does it end? Is literally every single thing he’s done in this show solely because of his bipolar disorder? Did Ian only fall in love with Mickey because he was bipolar? Or are we going to randomly pick and choose which of his choices could be attributed to his bipolar disease? Anyway, my point is even if each of his actions have some form of influence from the disease, then that still doesn’t change the situation for me. He’s still making those decisions the same way Monica made her decisions, and people have the right to be angry with him. I disagree with him not having any conscious control over his doubts. He could still put those doubts aside for Mickey. That is still his conscious choice to make. As for the other stuff, this whole episode it felt like Ian thought Mickey would just get over it. Like when he was sitting at the dinner table dismissing the whole marriage thing and the severity of what he did by trying to justify how he didn’t “actually leave him at the altar.” He seemed pretty flippant about the whole deal until after Mickey left. Which is why I think he just got too comfortable because he thought Mickey would always stick around. He’s not an evil mastermind using his disease to his advantage, but he’s just scared and desperately looking for a way out.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-16 10:37:26 +0000 UTC1. ian is still bipolar even when hes not manic or depressed, it still affects him every day. i never said it excuses his actions or that you cant criticize him, i said he is not in control of what hes feeling. and i never said mentally ill ppl are slaves to their illnesses? im bipolar myself and i said we cant control how our brains work which is true if you just do a little bit of research. the way you were mocking and judging that was insensitive. 2. ian is not some evil mastermind trying to use his bipolar to his advantage, hes embarrassed of it and almost never brings it up. he opened up about his insecurities to mickey to let mickey know how he was feeling, actually talk to him for real. yes youre right, from an outside perspective its easy to see that mickey doesnt care but its not that simple in ians head, thats the point. thats how mental illness works, its always going to fuck with his head. once again, im not saying that excuses his actions. its kinda the same as mickeys internalized homophobia in the earlier seasons, he couldnt control that but that doesnt excuse the way he treated ian. 3. 100% mickey deserves more than that, ive never claimed he doesnt, ian needs to be more careful with mickeys feelings and how he handles things. he didnt wake up smiling bc he expected everything to be okay, he was dreaming and probably smelled mickey on his pillow or something, when he woke up he was pulled out of it. im a bit confused as to where some of these points are coming from and im wondering if you criticize mickey the same way? cause hes fucked up in their relationship too but no one talks about that. 3. hes not consciously sitting there and creating those doubts himself, they are things his mind tricks him into believing is true. to everyone else it sounds irrational but its real to him and you cant judge him for that cause he cant help it. im not trying to excuse everything ian does, i agree that mickey deserves better treatment, he deserves all the love and appreciation in the world. im just trying to explain ians pov a bit, im noticing a lot of ppl dont rlly see how much his bipolar actually affects him. as someone with the same disorder im just trying to explain how it works and why he acts the way he does.
j-l
2022-10-16 06:12:42 +0000 UTC1. Ian is in full control of his actions. As far as we know he is taking his meds and he isn't in the middle of a manic or depressive episode. And, having bipolar disorder does not make him uncriticizable, nor does it excuse his actions. The way you wrote it is pretty insensitive to mentally ill ppl for assuming they are just slaves to their illness. 2. Ian's using his bipolar disorder as a desperate attempt to justify his own insecurities. Everyone can see that Mickey doesn't care if he's bipolar. But, Ian wants to have that leverage in order to not have to risk going through with the marriage. Thats what that ending scene meant. He was desperately searching for a reason to not go through with it. 3. I never said he didn't love Mickey enough, he definitely does. But, his own fears are getting in the way of his judgement and Mickey deserves more than that. Ian has gotten very comfortable just believing Mickey will always come back to him. He even woke up the morning after their fight at the start of this episode with a smile, as if he expected everything to be back to normal. Mickey needed to teach him that he can't just dismiss Mickey's feelings so casually and expect to be with him. This was not a one-way relationship. He can't just pull this shit and expect Mickey to roll with the punches forever. 4. Ultimately all those doubts you mentioned are just reasons that Ian has created in his head to lower his trust in himself and his partner. This includes his trauma with Monica and Frank, and his bipolar disorder. That doesn't mean he doesn't love Mickey enough. But, he doesn't respect him as much as he should. He should believe in him more and appreciate him more.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-15 23:53:30 +0000 UTCthis is just me seeing things from ians perspective btw, im not saying that he isnt doing anything wrong or that mickeys feelings arent valid. i dont think either of them are handling things well, theyre both hurting each other and have been throughout their entire relationship. they really just need to learn how to communicate.
j-l
2022-10-15 22:59:32 +0000 UTCim sorry but thats how mental illness works, hes always going to have those doubts no matter what. ian is not good at communicating properly, neither of them are, and then when he finally does mickey basically confirms his doubts. he just needed reassurance, he clearly feels like he is and will continue to be a burden to mickey. hes scared of them ending up like frank and monica bc hes bipolar just like her, and ppl have compared him to monica ever since he got diagnosed. basically all of this is tied to his bipolar and his trauma in some way. its not that he doesnt love mickey enough, quite the opposite - hes scared to lose him. your comment makes it seem like he just needs to pull his head out of his ass but his feelings are a literal symptom of mental illness, they are not his fault. the way you wrote it is kinda insensitive towards mentally ill ppl in general because we cant help how our brains work, bc bipolar disorder is in fact an *illness* that has real symptoms. all this is evidence that ians bipolar is the cause, in that last scene he pretty much says it himself. he mentions his bipolar and asks mickey if hes crazy, because mickey wants to be with him. he truly doesnt get it and thinks he doesnt deserve that kind of love.
j-l
2022-10-15 22:46:15 +0000 UTCThe problem is that this sort of self-deprecating behavior is still insulting to Mickey because of how much he has proven himself to love Ian. Mickey has proven himself multiple times in the past to be there for Ian, and Ian STILL doesn’t trust him fully. We can try to justify Ian’s worries, but ultimately all it boils down to is a lack of trust which honestly should not be there at this stage of their relationship. Ian needed to realize he had to take some responsibility for this. He has to learn to appreciate Mickey more and not just expect Mickey to keep coming back to him whenever he needed help, like in season 4 when Mickey first found him in the strip club and helped bring him back home or in season 9 when mickey got himself arrested. Being worried about his future bipolar episodes is not an excuse anymore. Mickey forced him to make a choice: Either Ian realizes how lucky he is to have Mickey be there for him and appreciates his help or Mickey will find someone else. And I’m glad he did cause Ian needed to wake up and smell the coffee.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-15 11:50:51 +0000 UTCpersonally i think that Ian has always been afraid of marriage because of Monica and Frank, yes. but i do think he is even more afraid that he may hurt him because of his disorder. Ian doesn’t think he is worthy of love, but I think he is also afraid to commit because as he said, he can’t always know or control what “version” of himself he is going to be. one of the struggles of mental illness is that even when you’re healthy, there is always the fear of when you won’t be.
alejandro valles
2022-10-15 03:47:08 +0000 UTCi’m excited for your other reactions
Lu
2022-10-14 21:44:20 +0000 UTCNo, it seems moreso because he is afraid of marriage in general due to his experience with Monica and Frank’s relationship rather than the bipolar. I also don’t like dismissing major character moments as just pathological conditions especially since their is really no evidence of the bipolar being the cause.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-14 16:20:38 +0000 UTCit's Ian's Bipolar disorder that's making him think like that and doubt everything
alejandro valles
2022-10-14 11:59:48 +0000 UTCI feel like at the end of the day, Mickey has already proven how much he loves Ian. And in the past when he’s used his words and told Ian how he felt and tried to care for Ian he got punched and treated like shit, then broken up with. He got left at the border. (Which I believe Mickey understood, but it still hurt him so badly.) Mickey is an actions man, but he DID and DOES use his words. I don’t agree with him hitting Ian. I think that is totally wrong. At the end of the day though? After season 4, Ian has been the person that has made all the decisions in their relationship. And I think Mickey is tired. He’s tired of trying to prove to Ian that he’s in it for the long haul. He’s tired of having his hopes up and getting hurt. That he’s given Ian everything he can give and then some but he doesn’t get the same back. Mickey doesn’t ever throw that shit in Ian’s face either. He’s just…. Processing. He doesn’t have it in him to just say- “you hurt me. I love you, but you hurt me.” I get where Ian is coming from. Totally. Bipolar is fucking horrible and it has made Ian second guess everything and probably always will. He needs reassurance and Mickey needs to give that to him, but he isn’t getting that. It’s just sad all the way around. Cameron and Noel did a fantastic job with this episode.
Amber Rehrer
2022-10-14 11:13:39 +0000 UTCIan: "HoW dO yOu KnOw YoU ReALlY LoVe mE?" Bruh, I guess Mickey getting himself arrested and betraying a drug cartel to be with you, just wasn't enough for you Ian huh. Not to mention everything in season 5. Holy crap.
flameenforcer619
2022-10-14 09:44:08 +0000 UTCyea the aunts shirt is a Trump shirt mocking him grabbing a women's v assaulting her. People where saying she should be flattered and she's lucky.
Chiko
2022-10-14 03:57:03 +0000 UTC
