Game of Thrones - Season 4 Episode 8 - Patreon Version
Added 2024-10-27 13:00:10 +0000 UTC
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I've never even heard of Dungeons and Dragons with Chat GPT. That's interesting...
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-29 16:51:39 +0000 UTCThat is a completely fair point to make, and I agree with you quite a bit. In most cases giving a person a second chance is a charitable and good thing. If we never allowed for second chances the world would become very rigid and unforgiving. I don't think that is a world any of us want to live in. At least I hope that I am not wrong about that. I would add distinction on one point, and that is that I do not feel *everyone* is deserving of a second chance. This is just my opinion, so I hope that I don't get butchered for sharing it. Let's set aside second chances for the biggest offenses that I think most of us would agree do not deserve them (murder, SA, etc) and explore giving second chances for lesser crimes. What do you all think about giving second chances to a cheater? My belief is no second chances for cheating. Thoughts? Am I wrong or right about this? ** Apologies for my comment editing. My goal is in keeping conversations light-hearted and interesting, and I sometimes second-guess how I phrased my thoughts. If I fail at that, can I get a second chance? :-) **
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-29 16:36:02 +0000 UTCI just had played dungeons and dragons with chat gpt !!! And the clue lol
Dasha
2024-10-29 16:06:46 +0000 UTCI have subtitles on my other monitor, somehow I couldn’t make it work to be embedded in the video. So I might have been just reading while the scene happened
Dasha
2024-10-29 16:05:47 +0000 UTCI am just gonna say what I think without thinking about it too much. I think people deserve the second chance , but never the third one. However, there are some cases, there redemption is out of the question.
Dasha
2024-10-29 16:04:09 +0000 UTCThank you for the reply Justin Swan! I suspect that we would agree more than disagree. I have a very "live and let live" perspective on most things, but despite this I also have strong principles. If someone does something very heinous - such as what Jaime and Theon did - there really isn't any coming back for me on a personal level. They aren't "good guys who made a mistake". They are extremely flawed guys who chose great evil when they had the opportunity to choose good. Ned is their opposite. Ned was under tremendous threat and yet he chose to do what was right and good. Unfortunately, in the harsh world of GoT, being a noble and good person often leads you to your doom. Still, Ned is admired because of his true nature and his morals. As he said at the end of Season 1 when being threatened, "You think my life is some precious thing to me? That I would trade my honor for a few more years of...of what?" Ned's principles came before his own life. That's what made him good and is why he chose good. Jaime and Theon, they chose their life and ambitions over honor. Both were broken men in a way, and understandably so. This is where I can be judgmental, because I don't view being broken as an excuse. I can understand why a man went wrong and even empathize with what they've gone through, but in the end they still had a choice and they chose a path that brought a great deal more pain and suffering to the world for their own self-centered reasons. I can separate forgiveness and redemption, though. Someone who has done the worst things can also still do things that bring about a level of redemption. I won't stay with GoT on this point so that I can avoid going into spoilers, so I will go with an example that has already been viewed on this Channel. It's not the best example, but one nonetheless: Boromir in Lord of the Rings. LotR is not as morally dark a story as GoT, so Boromir isn't as guilty of evil as characters like Theon or Jaime, but he still demonstrates a redeeming character arc after his fall. Boromir grew up in a dysfunctional home with a father who was obsessed with power and position. His own brother - that he cares deeply about - is shunned unjustly by their father. Boromir spends his whole life trying to protect Gondor from Mordor and watches as his country gets weaker and weaker under his father's leadership while the threat grows in strength. His country and his people appear doomed. Over time his own faith has suffered as a result of this reality. Boromir is finally presented with a chance to reverse the decline of Gondor and defeat their evil enemies when he encounters the One Ring... only to have it denied to him and placed into the hands of a frail childlike hobbit. He fears what will happen if Sauron gets the ring from Frodo and how much his family and his people will suffer as a result. His weaknesses: fear, anger, betrayal, regret, etc are what cause him to betray his honor and his vow to protect Frodo by attempting to steal the ring. When Frodo escapes Boromir quickly understands what he almost did. He not only broke his vow and betrayed his honor, but his rash actions - influenced by the Ring or not - could have caused the death of millions. He failed in the deepest way when his selfish desires for personal glory and for the betterment of his own people got the best of him in that moment. Much like Jaime and Theon. However, his last act was a redemptive one. He realized his folly, and when he saw a chance to do something right and good he took it even at the expense of his own life. He fought against overwhelming odds in a fruitless attempt to save the lives of Merry and Pippin. He did not save them, but he died to save them. He made a choice, a selfless one, that cost him everything on only the desperate hope to do some good. His final act was one of redemption. That is a good character arc. Jaime and Theon also have good character arcs, even if their crimes are worse than Boromir's. It's a different story, but Boromir's failure COULD HAVE led to the fall of Gondor and therefore the fall of all mankind. Yes, the Ring participated but it exploited a weakness in Boromir that was already there. Theon and Jaime also chose evil and they did so with - in their distorted view - justification. Jaime was not only protecting himself by what he did to Bran, but he was protecting the woman he loved. That's how he saw it. He saw the world as an unjust place that didn't care about him or treat him with respect, so all he cared about was himself and his family. His act of shoving a kid out the window of a tower was - in his view - to keep the only people he cared about safe. Theon, too, felt that he owed his own family loyalty above all else. He rationalized that he was a prisoner his whole life, taken from his real family by force. When he paid the price for his father's failed rebellion by being a captive for 16 or so years, he returned home and was rejected. He felt denied the one thing he felt owed. After all, HE was the one who paid the price for a rebellion that he didn't start. If he is the one who paid the price, shouldn't his penance be respected and rewarded when he returned home? Instead he was shunned and punished again for a crime he did not commit, by his own family. His circumstances were not of his own making at that point. When he made the wrong choice as a man broken by his circumstance, he knew there was no going back but was hoping to gain justice and acceptance at home, something he was unfairly denied and felt owed. As a result of this choice, he experienced his fall into evil. We will not go further into Jaime or Theon at this time, as their story is still being told and we don't want spoilers, but the point I am making is not to justify what they did. IMO what they did were unforgivable acts, broken men or not. The question is whether or not there is a path of redemption. Can they perform an act of bravery or an act of self sacrifice that will bring about a measure of redemption? That's a great question. I think the answer is yes. Redemption and forgiveness are not the same thing. A redeemed man doesn't need to be forgiven. Just my thoughts. I would love to hear anyone else on this if they'd like to chime in.
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-28 16:23:36 +0000 UTCOh undoubtedly I believe in "Redemption" ... it's gotta be a miraculous gesture so big as to make a life! ... Considering taking a life is just as much horribly an unforgivable thing ... I even imagine our converse would be a very interesting debate considering you seem well versed and logical, and i'm on the side of unforgiving-ness lol ... but no i think ive said my share on the matter, but I would still love tto hear your thoughts on the matter if you have more points to make! ... i find it fasinating when people convince me lol ... Have a good day sir
justin swan
2024-10-28 01:44:09 +0000 UTCI'm not making a case against your point here, I'm just going to ask you this out of curiosity. Do you believe in redemption? It's okay if you do and okay if you don't, I'm not asking to argue. It's not easy for me to forgive people who commit large transgressions. I do think the idea of redemption is an important one though, and that could be an interesting conversation to have.
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-27 23:34:50 +0000 UTCMose, now that you said it, I'm feeling like a knucklehead for assuming Dasha was referring to the original Baldur's Gate. 😂 I mean... duh, Michael. 🤦 Why would she be randomly playing the original? Yeesh. I'm not a big gamer. I don't have a lot of time for them, so maybe that's my excuse for being out of the loop. The last game I actually played a lot was Elder Scrolls Online, but I haven't really played that in 5 years.
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-27 22:40:21 +0000 UTCSomething I noticed only recently about 2nd Edition is the art. I like the artwork of 2nd Ed. SO MUCH BETTER. 3rd edition starts getting kind of silly and less realistic. The armor starts getting extremely flamboyant and extreme, in ways that would never work in reality, but I guess they thought it looked cool. Then with more recent editions the artwork becomes more childish. This is my opinion, no one has to agree with me, but when I was looking at the artwork side by side I realized how much more realistic the old art was. I've always been partial to things that have a closer attachment to what makes sense, what is real. Yes, even in fantasy, which I admit might seem a bit silly.
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-27 22:32:53 +0000 UTCLol Your right to hate Ramsey Bolton, and Theon Greyjoy ... Don't doubt you first instincts of evil people no matter how much they try to redeem themselves ... They don't deserve forgiveness if they haven't paid for their evil doings ... I think Theon deserves everything thats happened to him, and I don't care how much people love Jamie or how much my sisters or friends try to convince me he's a good guy lol ... Jamie Lanister should die ever since the ending of Season 1 Episode 1 ... Hagd ery1 lol
justin swan
2024-10-27 21:15:22 +0000 UTCI have very strong opinions on the last few seasons of the show and the behind the scenes stuff that we now know but I'll say no more (good or bad) until she watches it herself. I'll say it for the 10th time though- this season is flat out the best. Not a dull episode and 4 or 5 great ones.
My_Cousin_Mose
2024-10-27 19:14:05 +0000 UTCI'm almost certain Dasha is talking about Baldur's Gate 3 (or Divinity 3 as i call it) but I agree the original is still a good game. And back in 2000 there wasn't much better in my opinion. I wish my group would go back to 2nd edition but that will never happen lol. I'd be super happy with 3.5 but unfortunately our DM refuses to play anything other than 5e. Now everything is way too simple.
My_Cousin_Mose
2024-10-27 19:02:15 +0000 UTCYour reaction the Grey worm scene was so sincere and cute. Best part of this episdoe!
JokesterHollywood
2024-10-27 17:36:46 +0000 UTCTo be fair, BSG is only 4 seasons and before game of thrones she did Breaking bad. So going from crime drama, to fantasy back to crime drama with sapranos, I can understand why BSG won, now we will get a long form sci fi drama. Just to spread her tv show reaction portfolio out a bit more. I did vote for for both so I too hope she gets to sapranos too maybe after BSG or Game of thrones. it is great show, while BSG also has its place in the greats of tv shows too. Either way win win for Dasha.
JokesterHollywood
2024-10-27 17:26:34 +0000 UTCI’m still hoping we get to The Sopranos at some point. It’s a show everyone should watch because it is television at its absolute pinnacle. Would also be a good change of pace for people like me who don’t watch sci-fi or fantasy.
Doce
2024-10-27 16:16:44 +0000 UTCDasha, I dont think you had subtitles on for the Grey Worm scene but at the end she said "Im glad you saw me" and he said "I am too" You looked a bit confused as to what they were saying lol.
Thats MR. Baldamort
2024-10-27 14:51:09 +0000 UTCIts time like this, that I wish "The Last of Us" won the TV show poll. Because it's one season (with seaosn 2 in the works) I really hope Dasha can find time to squeeze this show in either before game of thrones is done or after. Just to see how amazing Pedro Pascal is an actor. He did amazing as Prince Oberyn.
SR2 Prod.
2024-10-27 14:16:52 +0000 UTCI'm so far behind, but trying to catch up. Just finished GoT Season 1, Episode 10. In that reaction, Dasha mentions Dungeons and Dragons and Baldur's Gate - which is wild. I played BG as recently as a couple of years ago and while it was a dated game, it was still good. I used to play Dungeons & Dragons with my friends, but it's been many years. Most of our group have moved away, got married, and started families so it is near impossible to get everyone together to play again. Last year I bought a bunch of 3.5 edition books in hopes of playing again someday, but now that I have them I actually think 2nd Edition would be best. Old school. That edition is so much simpler and faster. The good old days...
Michael@GetFitwithDogs
2024-10-27 14:03:06 +0000 UTCPrince Oberyn got his confession but it was costly for both him and Tyrion. You ain't seen the last of us.
ButtercupsTrueLove
2024-10-27 14:02:18 +0000 UTCRegarding your intro: In my opinion Game of thrones shows its story quality up to the last couple episodes of season 8. I wont spoil why I think that and I hope others refrain from mentioning any details. Season 8 is only 6 episodes and there is a lame behind the scenes reason for it. Either way, when we get that far into the show we will let you make that determination for yourself. However, acting wise and cinematic wise, its the best season. It has AMAZING quality. Like any season before it. Anyway that is all ill say about that. This episode is one of my favs and episode 9. Pure cinema. Its awesome to see you so in love with this show and I cant wait to see how much you enjoy Battlestar Galactica. That show personally got me to love sci fi. That show can be very much like Game of Thrones but in space.
Thats MR. Baldamort
2024-10-27 13:12:51 +0000 UTC
