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Sacred Symbols, Episode 7: Red Dead Doom

In just the last few days, we were treated with the first gameplay footage ever for both Red Dead Redemption 2 and Doom Eternal. So naturally, we take the time to discuss what we thought of both demonstrations. Meanwhile, Chris is worried that Insomniac's Spider-man is being shown way too much, and so we dive deeper into his concerns. IGN's plagiarism scandal also keeps us busy, with a nearly half hour conversation about that alone. News ranging from a new PS4 Pro and God of War's New Game+ to Bethesda's newest in-house studio and Child of Light II rumors keep us busy otherwise, rounded out -- as always -- by your questions. Oh, and we sacrifice a baby during the show, too, in the name of the Dark Arts. Sorry about that.

Timestamps:*

0:00:17 - Intro.
0:05:53 - Colin sacrifices a baby in the name of the Dark Arts.**
0:06:55 - Chris is concerned Spider-man is being overexposed (plus Q's).
0:15:57 - Red Dead Redemption 2 gameplay discussion (plus Q's).
0:20:23 - Doom Eternal gameplay discussion (plus Q's).
0:24:36 - IGN plagiarism fiasco (plus Q's).
0:51:00 - PS4 Pro 500 Million Limited Edition announced (plus Q's).
0:58:44 - God of War is getting a New Game+ mode.
1:01:31 - Rage 2 is being developed by Avalanche, not id. (Told ya!)
1:03:01 - Bethesda's newest studio is Bethesda Games Studio Dallas.
1:05:04 - Capcom would rather have great reviews than great sales.
1:08:28 - Is Child of Light II incoming?
1:10:06 - Persona 3 and 5 dance/rhythm games coming west in December.
1:11:02 - Germany changes its rules on Nazis and Nazi imagery in games.
1:13:22 - This week's new releases for PS4, PS Vita, and PSVR.
1:19:18 - Does Smash Bros. suggest Castlevania is making a comeback?
1:20:54 - Is your PSVR collecting dust?
1:22:40 - Are long-term game updates good or bad?
1:25:48 - Why does the mainstream games media ignore Japanese games?
1:28:48 - Will PlayStation 5 be solid state?
1:34:44 - Will PS5 get a new Ratchet & Clank game?
1:35:51 - What are Sony's expectations for Days Gone?
1:39:06 - Should EA and others segue sports titles to Games as a Service?
1:44:13 - Should Sony attempt a sequel to PS All-Stars Battle Royale?
1:46:54 - Why are some Bethesda-published games selling softly?
1:48:26 - Will Vita's bizarre functionality strand its games library?
1:50:52 - Is Square Enix sending Dragon Quest XI out to die?
1:52:41 - What's Dragon Quest like? Which Dragon Quest is best?
1:54:43 - How have the genres you've been drawn to evolved over time?
1:58:30 - Outro.

* - In order to keep the timestamp list clean(er) moving forward, questions submitted in relation to a news item or talking point won't be called out separately from the news item or talking point itself, and will instead be called out parenthetically as "(plus Q's)".

** - Beginning next week, baby sacrifices will again be conducted before we begin recording. Thank you for understanding.

Sacred Symbols, Episode 7: Red Dead Doom

Comments

Welcome. =)

Colin Moriarty

For Spider-Man, as long as we get early copies, you'll get both.

Colin Moriarty

Thank you! <3

Colin Moriarty

They have to get competitive with prices. That's all.

Colin Moriarty

I only beat it once through. Not even close to Plat.

Colin Moriarty

LOL.

Colin Moriarty

We're gonna do it, I think. Then we'll go from there and see how much it makes sense to continue doing it into the future.

Colin Moriarty

We shall see! Hope to find out in the coming days.

Colin Moriarty

Holy hell. This was my first episode I've caught and this is like a wrecking ball to bullshit. Great work Colin and Chris. This is it. I read the rave reviews but checking it out is a whole different beast. Keep up the brilliant and passionate work. Wow, man!

Aaron Treble

Colin and Chris, I love the show. As far as doing another episode for big releases I would listen to either, so whichever you and Chris would prefer works for me. However, given a choice between a sidequest review or a sacred symbols discussion on a large new release I’d prefer a review

John Lynch

Another great episode!! You guys are awesome together.

Jeff Pollard

Man I cringe at the idea of not being able to buy physical copies of games unless online stores drastically reduce their prices in Australia. Red Dead Redemption 2 is $100 AUD on the PSN store, $69 AUD from JB HI-FI at launch sounds much more appealing.

Haydyn

I am so happy with what Capcom is doing and it all started with RE7. Fantastic game! (Which i platinum).

Tyler

correction: North America wishes it had Eastern European internet, LOL

Michal Dudic

For as much as my opinion counts you can dedicate a podcast to a spider-man "review". I am sure most people would look forward to your in-depth thoughts on a playstation exclusive property.

Brett Carlson

Have no fear for spider-man. Sony exclusives have a tremendous track record this generation and insomniacs core titles have always been extremely fun and polished games. Difference now is that they have a widely know IP to work with, which can only be a good thing. Wont be quite GOTY level but 9.0 minimum.

Brett Carlson

Roger that. Thank you!

Colin Moriarty

Roger that. I think we're gonna see what we can do with Spider-Man, and see what y'all's response is.

Colin Moriarty

That's a fair distinction.

Colin Moriarty

I've been seeing rumblings, yeah. Maybe we'll make fun of them next week.

Colin Moriarty

I think a separate episode for reviews is warranted. If you're only talking the Sony exclusives, that's like a handful a year. Include big 3rd party games like Red Dead, maybe a couple more. But I definitely think it would be a good idea for the PlayStation exclusives. That way you guys have plenty of time to get all your thoughts out and don't have to rush through it.

Nate McKinney

I would absolutely love separate spoilercast episodes for the big 1st party releases. That said, I think you should feel free to take your time with them, as I certainly won't listen to the episodes until after I have beaten the game myself.

crispyn64

Buying one limited edition PS4 and selling it is later on is kinda ok, buying 2 or more is a no for me.

Hose A Contra Razz

Colin have you seen this article about how Doom is offensive with its calling of demons "mortally challenged". Your comments about the overwhelming political stance of games journalism is on the money. I by no mean conservative but give me a friggen break. Game Revolution should be ashamed for posting this article.

Brett Carlson

Roger that!

Colin Moriarty

Oh, I've precisely zero fucks to give. =)

Colin Moriarty

I see...

Colin Moriarty

Don't do it just because you think you should, only if you have enough content.

Kyle Snyder

Do separate episodes for "reviews" only if you guys have plenty to talk about, like a solid hour+

Kyle Snyder

I don't wanna get all conspiracy theory on this but i really feel the baby sacrifice was fake. the sound is all fuzzy at that part. plus 9/11 was an inside job

Petre Cismigiu

I'm very down for a regular ep in addition to a special game ep. Whatever works best for you and Chris though.

Jason Bolla

Good... good...

Colin Moriarty

Eh.

Colin Moriarty

I'm playing Dragon Quest XI and will probably review it for Side Quest, yeah. Plus discussion on Sacred Symbols. If it's a AAA game Chris and I are both playing, though, an episode may be appropriate. We'll see how the Spider-Man coverage does, and go from there.

Colin Moriarty

Don't worry about it.

Colin Moriarty

I think it looks cool, but no cooler than other games I'm looking forward to.

Colin Moriarty

I'm not sure that Dagan should be exposed to the Dark Arts.

Colin Moriarty

I don't think we limited that discussion to visual novels...?

Colin Moriarty

There ain't no shame in that. I do well, and I look to save a buck with everything I do. That's only natural.

Colin Moriarty

I don't think so either, but what's funny about the entire argument is that we were having it in 2011 and 2012, and were more convinced it would happen then (with what would become PS4) then we are now (with PS5).

Colin Moriarty

As it turns out, you can't fix stupid. So don't worry about it.

Colin Moriarty

Colin I love you for that sacrifice bit. Dark, crass, no fucks given humor. The neversoft Spiderman game on PSOne was one of my favorites. P.S. You got great gams lol

Erik Peterson

OMG the baby sacrifice HAHAHAHAHA! I was literally like "*mouth agape* What in the actual fuck?!" Hahahahaha

Jeshua Anderson

Patreon should send you a link when first sign up to be a Patron. It has an RSS feed, help on how to add it to your app and has links to various apps websites with more help. Hope you get it working - I actually did this yesterday myself.

Cory Schaffernoth

Colin, you said you don't bet on preseason football, so I have a proposition for you. Same bet but Vikings - Jets regular season. $20 PSN code

Gsquad193

1 whole episode for a review sounds great! But please don't do it on every AAA release. We trust your judgement. Spider-Man is a good start and a sidequest episode for DQ11? Thanks!

Jhazterine Tayag

Hi Colin, absolutlety love the show. I was wondering if you have RSS feeds for the early access version?

Jack Reynolds

So what are the baby sacrifice projections this quarter!!

There’s No I in LLC

*finale

Marc Boggio

I played RE7 entirely in VR, including all compatible DLC (some of it was 2D only). The control scheme is super effective once you get used to it. In the “action-y” finally, I was landing headshots like John Wick. As we discussed on Fireside Chats, I own an HTC Vive, but despite the stronger hardware and more advanced room scale, RE7 on PSVR is still to this day, my most engaging VR experience.

Marc Boggio

It's great to finally hear someone I follow not talking red dead up so much. I'm sure it will be a fine game for rockstars fans, but I couldn't be less interested in it.

Jonathan Thomas

Hi Colin great episode as always. Unfortunately I have one issue though, I feel we need to up the babies sacrifices to Knockback as well. I feel that just the one baby sacrifice before Sacred Symbols might not be enough. Hopefully you can take my constructive criticism into consideration.

Addiholic

Thank you for reading my question as well. Though it did go in a direction I wasn’t intending. I didn’t really mean visual novels but more Japanese games such as the Ys series, or Legend of Heroes or even the Atelier RPG series. These are made by smaller game companies and in some cases published by bigger companies such as Koei Tecmo etc. Not the biggest budgets but have some very interesting mechanics or stories not normally told

PairOfShuse

Thank you for reading my question! An interesting notation to add — I do purchase my games from Best Buy as they have a program that gives you 20% all games. So for me, when September rolls around and games are rolling out almost weekly, I usually pay about $50 per game after taxes — and that little bit helps out when I'm usually buying 4-5 games during Q4.

Kenny Gutzler

I don't think if the next gen will be all digital yet. For that you'd need for everyone to have internet and believe it or not people yet don't. I know this is just a single case from personal experience, but my coworker doesn't have internet but bought a PS4 for her son. The only way they can play games is through retail copies. I tell her she's a cavewoman for not having internet but I'm sure she's not the only one who does things that way.

Gabriel Garcia

Great episode! Thanks for reading my question, and I know I'll keep my PS4 Pro 500 mil limited edition and not scalp :) and im sorry for the stupid people on games media that dont understand that news are about speaking to the sources and not only with the ones that agree with you. That's what politics are for haha

Lucas Gremista

Praise be.

Colin Moriarty

Fair enough.

Colin Moriarty

Could be a flip! Univision bought Kotaku last year and is already interested in selling... =)

Colin Moriarty

Look Colin, as an ardent follower of the dark god Moloch, I really don't appreciate your blatant use of cultural appropriation in regards to ritual baby sacrifice. How dare you! :P

Jason Stafford

physical whenever possible.

Kyle Snyder

Great episode again. I think there is some Bethesda / BGS confusion as Colin highlighted in a previous episode often happens. Escalation was already a Bethesda/Zenimax studio, it’s just now specifically a BGS studio, under Todd Howard. Also, Avalanche was recently acquired by Nordisk so another sale would seem unlikely? MTGA.

Dan Parsons

Interesting anecdote.

Colin Moriarty

I’m 16 and buy digitally almost entirely, my friends who are much less into gaming are buying mostly physical

Tyson Williams

They're pushing it unlike I've seen them push any game.

Colin Moriarty

To each his own.

Colin Moriarty

Roger that. Thank you for your feedback!

Colin Moriarty

Yes.

Colin Moriarty

It's a game of dodgeball.

Colin Moriarty

I've never been keen on white electronics.

Colin Moriarty

Roger that. I think Spider-Man will be a good test.

Colin Moriarty

MTGA.

Colin Moriarty

Baby had it coming.

Colin Moriarty

You're welcome! <3

Colin Moriarty

Duplicitous bastards.

Colin Moriarty

You're very welcome. Thank you for your support!

Colin Moriarty

Worship, or be damned.

Colin Moriarty

It is time, my child.

Colin Moriarty

I’ve been trying to avoid Spider-Man until the game comes out, but it has been tough. It’s been all over the place since previews started hitting.

Patrick A Crone

Would fuck the shit out of a spider!

David Kramme

Do separate episodes only if you both have plenty to say. Don’t put out a Spider-Man or Red Dead episode just because you think people want it. The majority of listeners want to hear your genuine impressions. If that adds up to more than an hours worth of a discussion, then go for it. If anything less, then just incorporate it into the normal episode, maybe put it at the end if you want to discuss spoilers.

Zack E

All they had to do was show one game play trailers couple story trailers and tie that up with the special edition PS4 marketing. Would have sold like crazy! Still think it will sell in huge numbers, but the media push wasn’t needed to do that.

James Galos

Is Lola the goon that brings in the baby?

Zack E

Totally agree on the marketing of Spider-Man. I’ve seen a lot of thumbnails on YouTube for the game and gameplay videos. I’m definitely staying away from them.

Will Hahn

The Glacier white PS Vita is great but especially the 'Pearl white PSP' is imo the best looking console, shimmering small crystal white, beautiful. I would pay extra if the PS4 or PS5 also got that treatment.

Philip Andersen

Also as far as single episode reviews go.. just do it for certain games every now and then. I don’t think anyone is expecting you two do episodes for EVERY single huge release, and I think you guys can probably figure it which games deserve the nod.

Craig Carter

I agree, they showed way too much for Spider-Man

Tyson Williams

I always have issues with this. Podcasts just randomly stopping during playback then when I hit play to resume it starts from beginning again... I just download all the stuff now

Tony Colton

Making Tuesday’s great once again

Craig Carter

Jesus Christ hahahahahah a baby cry wtf😂😂😂

Marcus Brown

It's playing for me without any issues. I usually wait for the podcast since I tend to listen at 1.5 speed but I'm here today... just because. Thanks to Colin and Chris for a great show!

Richard Straceski

Might just be me but the built in player on the Patreon app won't play the episode at all. I closed the patreon app and restarted it and still have the problem. I was able to download the file and just play it locally on my phone so no big deal but I thought I'd mention in case anyone else is having the issue.

Mario Miranda

Babies man.... Can't trust 'em.

Richard Straceski

A 2 hour Playstation Podcast about Red Dead and Doom? Thank you Colin and Chris for all your hard work to help me get through my work day.

David Passman

PRAISE BE TO CHRIS AND 'HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED' ! ! !

Tuesday already? YESSSSS!

Marcus Brown


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