Sacred Symbols, Episode 189: Safehaven (Video)

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Colin Moriarty

Oh dear.

Colin Moriarty

Greetings Last Stand Crew. My name is Metal Slugger. Long time listener, first on the free-feed, then to $1/month, and finally now on the $5/month subscription mainly to participate in the thriving Discord community as well as to receive episodes more quickly. I’m a fan of your content and all you do since the Kinda Funny days. My comment is in regard to the Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection. I recall in episodes past Dustin made his praises on the graphics and frame rate improvements made on the PS5 version. I just made this title my 37th Platinum, and I have to say even more impressive to me than the graphical bumps are the changes made with the DualSense controller. I am enamored with the way the new haptics and triggers respond to nearly everything in the game. From the sounds that are made from the speaker when your weapon is holstered, to the force triggers failing when the car winch fails, all truly make the player more immersed in the adventure and it had a profound impact on me. I agree with Chris that force triggers have no place in a FPS like Borderlands 3 or Destiny 2, where control and precision need to be as reliable as possible, but for third-person adventure games, the DualSense, I think is where the next-gen truly bears fruit and can be showcased even on PS4 titles like Uncharted. How have you all taken with the new controllers on current and upcoming titles on PS5 so far? I am so excited to see how Horizon Forbidden West takes advantage of the DualSense. Thanks and keep pounding that chicken!

Dillan Damodar

You're giving him too much power. This will not end well. This weeb needs to be contained!

Germanos

We recorded this episode on February 10th.

Colin Moriarty

Dustin can do whatever he wants.

Colin Moriarty

It's been a long time since I've seen it.

Colin Moriarty

They can't keep everything there forever, unless they own it... which is why they want first and second party so badly.

Colin Moriarty

Write in on the next thread.

Colin Moriarty

New game would be wiser.

Colin Moriarty

No one else has said anything, no.

Colin Moriarty

Yes.

Colin Moriarty

That's what you think.

Colin Moriarty

They should totally go with Tom Holland's idea for the Jak & Daxter movie. A live action disturbing A24 style movie.

David Taylor

The pricing model is old news. They talked about it when the ps4/ps5 price was announced.

Jeff

The Martha is Dead thing happened the day of recording. Likely it was not on their radar yet.

Kyle Fox

Maybe I missed it, but why no coverage of the Martha Is Dead censorship? Furthermore no coverage of the Horizon 2 deceptive pricing model is also strange. If your going to cover the news than please cover it honestly. Hoeg and other outlets have done honest coverage on both matters. Why not cover these topics boys?

BlindRiot

Glad we are getting the discussion about GamePass more and more out there...and Colin I was first, sorry (just kidding because I was referencing a lot of your articles about game prices even from IGN) :P, and I also get A LOT of shit from the community, wherever I talk about this on my podcast. I have a question about this for Colin, but will wait for the thread to appear about this. PS. Will Dustin now stop endorsing GP :) PS2. Games are not music, not movies, not TV. Just because it is enterteinment doesn't make those areas the same. Each has a different business model. Take music as a example and think of why Spotify works. Because the buying of CDs was a dying activity - there was no other option for music !!!!!!

Germanos

The Thomas Crown Affair is a great remake. Also, I think Jack and Daxter is by a distance Sony’s biggest dormant IP. A new Jak game done by Naughty Dog would sell in the millions easy.

Jeremiah Lyne

The thing that I don't like about Gamepass is that games drop off of it, which makes it the wrong choice for me. I almost never play a game right when it releases, and if I only have a 4 month window to play through a game, then I'll never finish any gamepass games. It's also why I ended up cancelling Netflix, so many things drop off before I get around to playing them. That's why I'm still paying for PS+ too, even though you only have a month to download it, it doesn't disappear from your library as long as you keep the subscription.

Kaz Redclaw

Forza didn't sell 10 million copies ...I believe the whole Forza franchise before Horizon 5 was at 16-18 million

I'm a big fan of Jak and Daxter! I don't want a live action movie...how about maybe a NEW GAME instead?? WTF are they thinking over there at Sony Pictures?? Urgh... Great show Fellas! Thanks for keeping us going!

Ryan H

unsure if anyone mentioned this yet, but your mic sounds a bit muted in this one, Colin - not balanced as well with Chris and Dustin. Anywho - cheers gents, love the content.

Tony Rivera

Nice

Dannyul

Colin please play jak 2. Hurt to hear you say there are way better IP, jak &amp; daxter is top tier imo.

Andrew Tomassone

lol Colin you aren’t “authentifying”, you’re authenticating.

Andrew Tomassone

&lt;3

Colin Moriarty

I don't feel any embarrassment.

Colin Moriarty

I signed in SOLELY to say...what an analogy, Dustin, you sir are a master level analogist(?). I salute you

Lou & Rei Loper

Oh my god, the fear mongering on this show has me embarrassed for all involved.

BlindRiot

Yes! I believe I saw a documentary on that.

Colin Moriarty

Me too. =)

Colin Moriarty

It's definitely not earnest. But perhaps necessary.

Colin Moriarty

Yup.

Colin Moriarty

They're so interesting. =)

Colin Moriarty

Have you heard the story of the Golden State Killer/East Area Rapist? He was a serial killer/rapist in the 70s and 80s that was arrested in 2018 after DNA linked him. Crazy story.

Andrew Gambill

Yeah same, I'm not seeing the audio version here and it's usually the one I prefer.

Dan T

Looking forward to the Persona 4 Golden SS+ discussion!

Cash

Any idea when the audio only version is up for $1 patrons? It’s not showing up unlocked patron or my private RSS feed link but it’s up on fee feeds.

Wayne Moss

This unprecedented era of MS and Sony seemingly being cordial with each other and specifically mentioning they 'don't want to disappoint the other platform's fans' in regards to taking away games and announcing future titles will be crossplat just feels so crazy to me. Call me cynical but I just can't see it lasting and I don't believe for a second it's earnest. It feels like an unplanned temporary mutual understanding, like some kind of games publisher version of WWI's Christmas truce

Christopher Heeley

There are those saying Game Pass wouldn't change how devs made games but I feel like none of these people talk about how Double Fine split into 3 teams after releasing Psychonauts 2... totally not related to them being on Game Pass now.

Kaleb

The racing AI is dope! Was wondering, whether you would mention it or not. P.s. Glad you watched the StarCraft2 AI videos 🤝

Vladislav

I didn't play either of them, you are right.

Colin Moriarty

They're definitely eating their own out there.

Colin Moriarty

You will get a Sacred Symbols+ all about Persona 4. And Dying Light 2. And Horizon 2. And so on.

Colin Moriarty

Thank you for listening. &lt;3

Colin Moriarty

People that don't understand the want for Jak didn't play 2 and 3. The sequels are nothing like the orignal or like Sonys other mascot platformers. Whatever it takes to get a new game.. I'm on board.

Kaleb

The reaction to Xbox stating that some ABK games will still release on PlayStation has been next bloody level. The amount of idiots screaming that it’s unfair because PS won’t release Spider-Man or Returnal on Xbox so why do they get CoD is Infuriating, it’s apple’s &amp; orange’s.

Matthew Deane

Just here for They/Them drone missiles. One thing I think id like to hear/see is a little more in depth discussion of the games you’re playing. With the increased running times I think there’s room for it and I miss Colin diving in on the games he enjoys/dislikes. News, questions, onions and cock balls are all fantastic but give me 7-8 minutes on Persona 4 Golden or Record of Lodoss War Deedlit Wonder Labyrinth.

The Rose Experience

Great podcast gents. I love the continued growth in your chemistry and feel your struggle Colin when juggling talking timing after someone concludes lol it's tough. To your end points on Gamepass. Colin and Dustin, I don't believe you all engage in "fanboying" in discussions. However, I do think lumping Gamepass supporters with "corporate cheerleaders" or "Xbox Fanboys" is a disservice to their opinions on what the service has done for them and could be seen as anti-Xbox or "fanboying". I understand the fear of smaller developers who want people to purchase their games and hate hearing people say "I'll just wait for it to hit Gamepass". However, I would argue that those same people weren't compelled enough to play that game in the first place and Gamepass gets them to actually try it. Also, the developers do get paid to put their games in the service which can vary depending on their contracts (Which Graham Smith alluded to in the Defining Duke Ultimate interview). Their next game that isn't in Gamepass may have a better chance of actually selling now with more people being aware of the developer. I'd understand the fear mongering way more if Gamepass was actually replacing the traditional model, but Xbox in it's own earnings report stated that they still bring in more revenue via the traditional model and are not trying to replace it. I have not heard a soul make the "I'll wait for it to hit Gamepass" comment regarding a game like Elden Ring. Outside of 1st party games, if people want a game bad enough (similar to yourself Colin with Horizon FW) they'll buy it. That's not to say the concerns of it's affect on consumer behavior are not valid, especially for smaller games. However, I think the better question is "how many of those people played any of that developers games in the past? And after playing it on Gamepass, how many played their other/future games afterwards?". I'm unsure as to why Gamepass would also lead to less creativity when getting a guaranteed amount of money and not having to worry about sales with a quirky game, you could argue would lead to more creativity. There are still not enough stats on the service but in North America Halo Infinite was 2nd in NPD sales for December despite the game being available in Gamepass and you already alluded to Forza's success outside of the service. I think there are legitimate concerns with Gamepass but do think they can get a bit hyperbolic when you can simply just buy games at retail if you'd like. I'd love if you all could have an industry analyst like Daniel Ahmad on who regularly does follow all the data to discuss it. I think it'd be a great conversation. Again, great show, just adding my two cents.

Kbr Sports

=)

Colin Moriarty

Contract Arc System Works and bring back Bloody Roar. Make billions of dollars.

Michael Miller

=D

Colin Moriarty

I don't feel better about any of it, but I think it's great all players will stick with those games.

Colin Moriarty

Seems to be how they're managing things.

Colin Moriarty

Yeah, but that's not really what we're talking about. I'm not entirely sure any of that truly worked, anyway.

Colin Moriarty

Sony's fucking up with this.

Colin Moriarty

Where was this device when I needed it?

Colin Moriarty

Yeah. It often does seem malicious. Thank you for your support.

Colin Moriarty

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Colin Moriarty

I'll just call you OTT-APPS.

Colin Moriarty

No, we don't know about any of those things.

Colin Moriarty

Thanks!

Colin Moriarty

I'm similar, in that I'm not wanting for options. So something like Gamepass, I just don't care about.

Colin Moriarty

I think they're in good shape, but they have a big hill to climb to make it all profitable.

Colin Moriarty

I always chuckle when the fellas are going in a deep dive about a serious topic, and just stop and transition to talk about the next story. “I don’t support gay people being thrown off roofs….. have you guys watched the new Wolf Among Us Trailer”? 😂 PS

Payton Stone

I feel better about the mergers and acquisitions now. COD and Destiny remaining on both platforms is awesome.

Jeremy Shook

Colin, that was an interesting take. Sony having 1 group for single player cinematic experiences, and a 2nd group for multiplat live service games. One tries to hook you into the platform, and the other tries to keep you in it. A two-pronged approach.

Xtian

When PS4 launched, I remember being able to Thumb up any game, and also give it a star rating (also on PS3 in the store I think)

Skull King

Yeah the whole remix concept IS literally Dreams!!! It was a big part of LBP to share things you made and have others use it in a bigger project, then they focused on that more in Dreams, either way I’m excited for Haven project no matter the genre

Skull King

Colin, all I have to say is “latitude fatitude”

The unfortunate thing about misrepresentation is that people that "leak" thing you say out of context, often do it on purpuse. They know what they're doing is a false representation of what you said, they're just unbothered by it. All you can really do is, like you just did, state the facts, move on. We know what you said, people that know you and trust you know what you said, but some fringe corners of this hell hole that is the internet sometimes are still gonna run with it. Loved the show today, you guys are doing an amazing jog. Best 5 bucks I spent every month. Love you all.

Cláudio Faria

Colin Moriarty confirms Knack 3 coming out next week. Thank you Colin!

Danny Akenson

Thank you for answering my letter gentlemen, that was really insightful. I have been listening to all of your stuff lately, which is why I posted it here. I knew you guys would actually have a adult conversation about it. You can pronounce my username however you like, O-T-T-APPS OTT-APPS or even O-TAPPS. The long version is Over The Top Apps. Dustin made it sound quite glamorous with his effort 😁 Have a great weekend all. 💛

OTTAPPS

For this year we do know about the Bloodborne "Remaster", Last of Us Part I and Twisted Metal right? I also have a suspicion that PS will get the year exclusive deal to RE4 Remake...

james glenn roten

Great episode. Also the pitch/guess the upcoming live service games would be a fun Plus episode.

Leo Sanchez

I tried gamepass and it overwhelms me. It’s like scrolling on Netflix for 30 minutes then deciding to just close the app. I like buying a game and playing it, then delete it off my console after I’m done with it. Having hundreds of games in my face to play gives me anxiety. I just can’t do it.

Justin Credible

Microsoft definitely shot themselves in the foot with both Zenimax &amp; Activision purchases. I still don’t see how you convince millions of PlayStation-Bethesda fans to buy a new machine &amp; pay a new subscription fee.

Brandon Soto

I recently got gamepass and have been using it for about 2 months. It's kinda ruined gaming for me because I always feel like I have to be using it to get my moneys worth and frankly it just lacks quality outside of a couple of the first party titles. I canceled because I would rather pay 70 and just not feel the pressure to play games within a certain time frame, and know I can come back to it later on if I own them.

Brandon Young

The game pass talk reminded me how when sifu was having its early access issues on playstation and I saw multiple people making the case that "this wouldn't have happened if you just put it on game pass". Obviously I don't think thoughtless statements like that are representative of the broader game pass user base, but I worry how more people may fall into that line of thinking as game pass continues to grow.

Aubrey

Dustin - I sold my ATVI holdings at around $85. There is definitely some uncertainty in this transaction. There is a lot of time between now and the closing date, which in my opinion is the largest factor of uncertainty. Deals can fall through due to breaches in the agreement, as well as several external factors, regardless of the FTC review. For instance, I was burned on the Cineplex/Cineworld deal in 2020 in which Cineworld recanted their deal to overtake Cineplex. This did result in a &gt;$1b lawsuit that Cineplex won, but these things do happen. For reference I am enrolled in CFA level ii, and work in finance; still always learning though.

Ryan Hayman

Dustin's reddit/threatening story made me think of Kitty from Arrested Development. "Did you hear that everyone! Michael Bluth is threatening me!" :P

Gavin Simmons

Cant wait to watch/listen

Lexxurious

Correction: the last Jak and Daxter game was Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier. Released in 2009. Developed by High Impact Games. Sorry to be that guy, but I had to say it.

Jacob Hey

Is it just me, or does it seem like Chris and Dustin rarely push back on Colin? Not talking about this episode, just in general.

Joe

Colin looks so gangsta

Zack Apuzzo

Awesome thumbnail! Looking forward to this one 🙂

Tom909