Sacred Symbols, Episode 196: This Is Spartacus (Video)

Many of the PS2 games on PS4 ran pretty poorly... I'm not sure if they were emulating them or they were ported, but they often ran worse than ps2 games did on an actual ps2. Heck, some games were even the PAL versions (in territories like the US) so they ran at even lower framerates. The jak games on ps4 were worse than the great collection ps3 got. Of course, I'm sure not all people were aware of that and not all games had issues, but it doesn't help. The selection was also pretty thin. Hopefully the service is better about that. But I'm starting to wonder if I should expect poor performance on ps2 games, or some kind of catch on PS5... But yeah, I can't speak for others. I didn't buy the ps2 games on ps4. I bought a ton of them as well as ps1 classics on ps3, though.

David P

Thing is, they tried this with PS2 games on PS4, and no one bought them. If they started natively porting, say, PSP games, no one would buy them.

Colin Moriarty

Ah. =)

Colin Moriarty

I loved sports games, but I also feel like there were fewer games then, and so sports games served more of a purpose.

Colin Moriarty

You should always keep your hardware!

Colin Moriarty

Yeah, I can see the Death Stranding vibes for sure.

Colin Moriarty

It's cool that some older PS3 games are being revived with homebrewed servers, which I think would make some of those dormant Trophies available.

Colin Moriarty

We gotta keep things in context!

Colin Moriarty

=)

Colin Moriarty

Gotta be careful.

Colin Moriarty

I'm not sure why you (Colin) keep saying you don't know what more people want when it comes to locking games behind subscription. We just want to buy our games and not pay perpetually for many of them, nobody expects it for free. I thought Chris brought you around after mentioning Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask but you went and seemed perplexed again as to why people complain about Nintendo's services. honestly, all people want are a decent supported library that runs well, that they don't have to be forced to pay a subscription for. the option is fine and the deal is good, but I don't know what there is to be confused about.

David P

Hey Dustin, don't know if you'll see this but during an interview with Gavin Moore on Digital Foundry he said they have a "Legacy" version of Demon's Souls PS3 running on a PS5.

james glenn roten

Just like Colin, sports games is the genre I barely play any of anymore. It was basically all I played growing up. Unfortunately my skill level never grew so when the games got more and more realistic they just got too hard for me so I wasn't any good. With The Show coming to GamePass last year it gave me the chance to finally play a baseball game for the first time in forever.........yup I still suck haha.

Tommy Larsen

The Cell processor makes sense if you just came off the PS2 and it was a massive success. The PS2's emotion engine is like a little baby Cell processor, with 1 32 bit MIPS CPU, and 2 Vector units that are similar to the SPE, then at the other end of those VUs was the GPU. The PS3 was just the Emotion Engine scaled up to absurdity. It has a 3.2ghz PPC processor instead of the slow, old MIPS. Instead of 2 Vector processors, there's 7SPEs that are vector processors in two pipelines between the GPU and CPU. At the same time, EE could also be run in a mode where the CPU and VU0 worked directly together like a modern processor with vector extensions, then you just ignore VU1, which is probably what a lot of cross platform games did. If you ignored the SPEs then you're losing a lot more of the performance of the PS3 than if you ignored VU1 on the PS2. Obviously they COULD make a PS3 emulator that worked perfectly, but they don't want to spend the money and time on it, especially when that's an era that Sony wants to forget. (Kind of the only generation on home consoles where they were losing for a large percentage of the generation.) Until PS3 and Vita emulation is perfect, I'll keep my 2 PS2s, 3 PS3s and 4 Vitas in working order to work my way through my backlog of games on them, and once the emulation is perfect, I'll play them on a smaller sequel to the Steam Deck. Sony largely lost my loyalty with how they treated the Vita anyway. The only reason I stick around the ecosystem is for Insomniac, Suckerpunch, Bend, Guerilla and Housemarque. A ton of the other publishers that I used to play on Playstation are now also making games on Switch and PC. A ton of the publishers I used to buy Playstation for are just gone. (Clap Hanz, Studio Japan, Psygnosis, etc.)

Kaz Redclaw

Sounds like Ghostwire has Death Stranding vibes. I loved that game but knew it wasn’t for everyone Did Colin or Chris mention if they were playing anything else?

MeatSpin11

Please search “RCPS3 Parsec” on YouTube. You’re welcome. Yes, this has existed for years now. And, yes, I still subscribe to these services regardless. I’m interested in trophies for old games, more than anything.

Daryl Rodriguez

You beat me to it when you said about putting a man on the moon but can't work out how to put ps3 emulator on ps5. I do think putting the backwards compatibility behind a paywall is bullshit. If you told me back in 1999, when my uncle gave me his ps1, that one day I wouldn't be able to put ps1 games into ps5, I wouldn't believe you. These games consoles companies and games developers should have a deal that their games are available on future console discs and digital now. The technology and software now should make it cheap and easy to play old games from 20 years ago. Video game preservation needs to improve. I can get easy access to old movies and watch them anywhere, but with video games, it's so difficult. It shouldn't be like that.

I am a founders member of both stadia and geforce now and I agree that these services are amazing. I played all of metro exodus on stadia and it looked and played perfectly. I noticed no lag. I also play a lot of destiny 2 on stadia and it is great. I use geforce now for a lot of ubisoft games and playing at max settings through the nvidia shield pro on my LG C1 looks better than PS5 and Series X which I own both of. I have PS Now and I have used it a few times streaming through the console and it ran perfect for me. I feel like most of the people hating on streaming haven't given it a fair chance.

Joseph Griffin

Chris talking about recurring contacts in your life at the store as NPCs just awakened me to the fact we may be controlled and someone is playing us like we're the video game. That was hilarious.

Brian Gibbs

Just want to say the best Colin line of all time is "you don't want to get your butthole sick with some chicken juice". This is not just funny but very true. My wife and I quote this line every time we make chicken. [How to Make Buffalo Wings at Home: A Conversation with Colin]. Anyway, back to the episode.

Levelupbrady

i stream the majority of my games through stadia and geforce now i have no latency issues outside of major blizzards or outages. i live in colorado i enjoy just booting my game and going i dont download updates i can use ray-tracing and max graphics i dont have issues with specific pc problems or hard drive space. i don't understand you claiming there is no utility because there certainly is. its not how i play all of my games but its great for the ones i do and yes i use the 3080 service on now.

Robert Young