Sacred Symbols+, Episode 185: Analyzing Your Gaming Hot Takes
Added 2022-04-30 16:01:02 +0000 UTCKids say the darndest things. And so do gamers, as it turns out, who are full of infinite nuggets of wisdom that sometimes make us think, sometimes give us pause, and sometimes stretch the very limits of credulity. Today's episode of + is dedicate to your hottest takes, submitted without edit, and judged by... well... us. Is Uncharted vastly overrated? How about Horizon? Did the DualShock controller line feel cheap? Why do people care about God of War so much? Was MAG ahead of its time? Does Sony's fixation on games-as-a-service portend an ill future? Has The Last of Us too heavily influenced PlayStation's first party output? Friends, we've much to get into, so hit play without delay (rhyme unintended).
Comments
As someone who is always a few episodes late because of lack of time. The episodes are not too long. As Colin referenced he is just getting going at the hour mark. Podcasts that cut themselves short miss the whole point of podcasts which is the natural flow of conversation over topics. Keep up the great content!
Eric S
2022-05-12 11:17:15 +0000 UTCToo clarify, I get that your goal may be to read these silly takes and then disagree, but your disagreements were of varying strength or absent. For example, all three of you should have been able to unequivocally say that anyone that finds Uncharted’s writing to be lacking is a joker. Instead Chris takes the opportunity to say yea, Uncharted sucks but not because of the writing. You guys should obviously do whatever you like but it rubbed me the wrong way. It didn’t seem like these ridiculous opinions were being treated as such.
Greg Hommel
2022-05-10 02:28:18 +0000 UTCI suppose not if “Uncharted is poorly written” deserves answering. Seems like a waste of your time, not mine.
Greg Hommel
2022-05-09 16:38:33 +0000 UTCSeveral characters in Horizon reference that Aloy should not be taking this all on herself and that she is too stubborn to accept help. Smh at Chris.
Greg Hommel
2022-05-09 16:36:05 +0000 UTCGreg, do you understand the point of this episode?
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-08 17:05:50 +0000 UTCWhy are you addressing the jabs of haters and detractors instead of the thoughtful opinions of fans? Uncharted is poorly written? God of War’s action is poorly executed? The podcast is too long? I can’t take these topics seriously. A dick can’t be too long, but a pussy can be too shallow. Wink wink
Greg Hommel
2022-05-07 19:51:21 +0000 UTCThanks!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-07 16:35:29 +0000 UTCFun episode - great idea!
Jeffrey Rommel
2022-05-07 01:08:15 +0000 UTCGlad to hear it. =)
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-06 17:06:41 +0000 UTC3hr+ is just fine to me. Gets me through my work day.
JayLou83
2022-05-06 01:01:46 +0000 UTCSame. It really helps out on some boring workdays.
Alex
2022-05-05 15:00:46 +0000 UTCWe will. =)
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-04 20:11:12 +0000 UTCI love the long podcasts. I usually listen to it in pieces throughout the week, so keep them coming!
Devin K
2022-05-04 18:54:51 +0000 UTCGreat!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-04 14:22:22 +0000 UTCPatreon RSS, yes.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-04 14:22:18 +0000 UTC3hr+ shows are the best! Gets me through the day.
Darrell
2022-05-04 05:22:54 +0000 UTCHas this hit rss feeds for anyone else yet?
John King
2022-05-03 23:14:33 +0000 UTCHmmm. I'm not even sure what the spoiler could have been.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-03 21:53:01 +0000 UTCWe wouldn't do that.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-03 21:52:46 +0000 UTCWe won't. =)
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-03 21:52:34 +0000 UTCI do that with the podcasts I enjoy, too.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-03 21:52:30 +0000 UTCWe don't roll that way 'round these parts.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-03 21:52:07 +0000 UTCDude there's a difference between dodging pre-release/leaked spoilers and STILL not playing a game 2 YEARS after it came out. If you really cared, you'd have played it by now.
Ian (616Entertainment)
2022-05-03 20:55:05 +0000 UTCI absolutely hated when I was listening to GOG and Greg would hurry the conversation along. Let these things be 4 hours long. I doubt anyone is trying to listen to these in one sitting and I like jumping back in throughout the week. Typically I like to listen to 1 hour of SS at a time, that's 4 workouts I can do while being entertained. IMO, F these clowns saying it's too long. The show is as long as it should be.
Messenger
2022-05-03 16:36:10 +0000 UTCChris you just dropped a fucking MASSIVE TLOU 2 spoiler like it was fucking nothing. Dude. Wtf. Y'all give uncharted 4 plenty of spoiler warnings to this day but just let this one go like Jesus Christ dude. See I assumed that was what the shit talk was back on the release of that game but I have avoided it. Till ya just blurted it out. Thanks man.
BakerShop
2022-05-03 04:46:40 +0000 UTCI work long hours and I'm listening to SS, DD, and sometimes KB everyday. The fact that they are so long and I'm able to stretch each episode across several days most definitely elevates my enjoyment of them. I know you'll never do it but I would be really disappointed if SS was dropped to 2 hours.
Connor Peterman
2022-05-02 21:57:20 +0000 UTCI’m going to be loud and tell you.. that 4 hours is fucking perfect. Do not cut this back because of loud misbegotten
A Hind D
2022-05-02 21:44:39 +0000 UTCHuge fan of the 4 hour podcast. I like consuming it in bits throughout the week.
lazer_josh
2022-05-02 17:03:26 +0000 UTCYeah, it's not a word I use in my own parlance, generally. I remember Dave Rubin was the first person to ever use it in front of me, when he interviewed me in 2017, and I didn't know what it meant.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:26:51 +0000 UTCTo each his own!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:26:14 +0000 UTCThat's a good name. =)
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:26:04 +0000 UTCGood to hear. <3
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:25:58 +0000 UTCStay safe out there.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:25:53 +0000 UTCRight. If Ellie's gayness was central to how we understood her, we'd know she was gay in the first game... which we don't. And never even get a hint at.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:25:48 +0000 UTCMe neither.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:24:54 +0000 UTCNo, we're going to do an entire episode dedicated to it.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:24:48 +0000 UTCI think his demotion is peculiar. He oversaw a lot of the games we look back at and love.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:24:38 +0000 UTCGood!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:24:17 +0000 UTCYes, but it's beholden to the licensor.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-02 16:24:12 +0000 UTC"Woke" means "I don't understand what I'm seeing, I'm uncomfortable, I am unable to articulate exactly why I feel this way, and I refuse to educate myself." Everybody who uses the term unironically is the same kind of person who would have called Rock & Roll "Satanic" back in the day. "Sorry, Liberals! The world is changing, and I'm terrified!"
MJ SKA BOI
2022-05-02 16:05:50 +0000 UTC4 hours is the perfect length! In fact my biggest complaint about snark tank is that Chris is so dead set on that 2 hour time limit that sometimes they won’t even get into questions
Captain Bon Clay
2022-05-02 15:43:26 +0000 UTCIf the do another MAG game they should call it MAG Alpha , also I like long podcast, I can enjoy it all week long especially on long road trips. Never change Colin unless you want to, your the Boss
Hose A Contra Razz
2022-05-02 14:05:19 +0000 UTCI’m team 4 hour pods… it’s takes an hour of smack talking to even Begin and I wouldn’t want it any other way 🤓👍🏽
Miguel Siguenza
2022-05-02 12:21:21 +0000 UTCThe four hour shows get me through my mail round. Don’t stop!
Joshua Brown
2022-05-02 10:14:51 +0000 UTCThat angle doesn't make much sense Matthew. The Seraphites are clearly established as a cult in the story, and you yourself described them as religious fanatics, which means they would be willing to expel members for all sorts of reasons (or do worse than expel, since there is no discernible law in the world of TLOU). Like, would you still be calling this a woke move if Lev and Yara were expelled for smoking weed? It just seems excessively reactionary to call something woke purely because a story contains LGBT characters and related themes.
Kaare Eriksen
2022-05-02 09:56:08 +0000 UTCLoved the conversation about what "woke" even means anymore. It's fine to be annoyed or roll your eyes at obvious virtue signaling. But in my opinion thats not the case with tlou2. Some people have lost all nuance when in comes to these things, and almost anything seems "woke" because of it.
Dennis
2022-05-02 08:41:50 +0000 UTCI have no knowledge of Neil Druckmann being "woke" but I do see Last of Us 2 as kind of "woke". Not because of Ellie being gay or Abby having muscles, that's nothing. It's Lev. And not just that there's a trans character in the game, it's that the main plot point of Abby's story is Lev and Yara are fleeing the Seraphites because they are religious fanatics who do not accept Lev as a boy. I actually really like Last of Us 2, still play it on the regular, but it does have some degree of "woke" to it. It doesn't ruin the game, but it's there.
Matthew Cooper
2022-05-02 03:03:19 +0000 UTCIsn’t the whole point of a podcast that you just keep listening until it’s over? What difference does the length make? I’ll never understand that…
Korey Beaver
2022-05-02 00:43:50 +0000 UTCCan we stop having the episode length discussion? I feel like we’ve spent a 4 hr podcast just discussing this same topic. You guys do you.
Sean P.
2022-05-01 23:35:06 +0000 UTCSince Shuhei Yoshida was demoted from Head of Worldwide Studios, he obviously was stirring up some trouble at Sony. Perhaps he knew of a couple Sony executives on Epstein's flight logs? #Shudidntkillhimself
David Joyner
2022-05-01 20:08:14 +0000 UTCMan do I love the 4 hour episodes 🤣
Nicholas Coso
2022-05-01 19:40:33 +0000 UTCIsn't an obvious choice for a game as a service "the show" especially now that it is on all platforms?
Austin Schumann
2022-05-01 18:50:02 +0000 UTC<3
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:54 +0000 UTCI'm a fan, for sure. I DM once in a while with Kmele; he's a nice guy.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:46 +0000 UTCGlad you enjoyed it. =)
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:31 +0000 UTCI remember there not being a lot of gunplay.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:23 +0000 UTCThere's no time limit. This is the internet!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:16 +0000 UTCThank you! We will.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:23:05 +0000 UTCThat's a lot.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:22:51 +0000 UTCIndeed. We're proud of that.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:22:45 +0000 UTCThank you!
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:22:40 +0000 UTCI took a swing immediately.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:58 +0000 UTCBut I'm telling you, he isn't woke.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:48 +0000 UTCThank you for your feedback.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:40 +0000 UTCIndeed. In fact, I'd recommend that.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:29 +0000 UTCI read this quickly as '4 hour gangbang'.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:16 +0000 UTCIndeed.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:20:04 +0000 UTCThat's my point. I often listen to my long podcasts piecemeal, and usually fall behind entirely.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:19:59 +0000 UTCMuch obliged.
Colin Moriarty
2022-05-01 18:19:45 +0000 UTC3-4 hrs is a sweet spot for me.. gets me through a quarter of my shift.. sometimes I even build them up for the weekends I work.. love the show if anything more lol
drivebyjoe
2022-05-01 15:19:18 +0000 UTCI shouldn’t be surprised Colin listens to the fifth column but I’m so hyped to hear he does. That’s the number one show I recommend to friends and family when discussing politics.
DeucesBruh
2022-05-01 13:05:37 +0000 UTCMAG was awesome after u got the understanding on how to play. Having to work as a team and actually communicate to win and u also got more points for healing team mates apposed to kills to encourage team work. Game was awesome
Kurt Seamon
2022-05-01 10:23:56 +0000 UTCUncharted 4 was the one where the gameplay didn’t held up for me. Story did, good game movie.
Philip Andersen
2022-05-01 09:38:56 +0000 UTCIf you don't like a 4hr pod don't listen to it all go listen to ign with the"we're running out of time"hour long foolishness. 3 to 4 hrs is perfect for a pod. Also "woke uncharted" 🤣
Robert Mc
2022-05-01 06:36:12 +0000 UTCReally liked this idea I hope you do a part 2!
Walker Simmons
2022-05-01 05:38:46 +0000 UTCThe guy saying naughty dog is too woke is probably referring to the Abbie character being in the game.
Taylor kazemba
2022-05-01 05:14:57 +0000 UTCNaughty dog is an amazing studio. Probably PlayStations best. They are becoming too woke. Everything woke turns to shit.
Taylor kazemba
2022-05-01 05:11:10 +0000 UTCI’ll take a 40 hour podcast per week. That way I can listen for my whole work week.
Taylor kazemba
2022-05-01 04:19:47 +0000 UTCThat retention rate state at 8:20 is amazing! Especially considering many people stop and start these things multiple times as they go.
KeanuReeve
2022-05-01 02:50:38 +0000 UTCI love the long Podcast. I am a mail carrier, and the podcast entertain me on the street.
Jeremy Seal
2022-05-01 01:08:35 +0000 UTCAlso, I didn't have any issue with Lesbian relationships being shown and I thought that was done well. Nothing wrong with incluing women, gay people, trans people etc in stories but my issue is when it seems to go against reality and is only there to push an agenda
Sam
2022-04-30 23:03:45 +0000 UTCI'm going to defend the 'woke' comment regarding Naughty Dog. Since Druckmann took over there have been some inclusions which just don't feel right. Nadine in UC4 for example, seems unrealistically strong compared to Nate, and is just a really unlikeable villain. You get the impression Druckmann wanted to insert a 'strong powerful woman' to show of his progessive values. It's worse in The Last of Us 2. Abby's physique is ridiculous. She has the body of a professional bodybuilder in today's resource-rich society, not a normal girl who likes to work out in a post apocalptic zombie-infected wasteland. The Lev character is poorly done too. We are expected to believe that Abby and all her friends immediately see Lev as a boy, despite looking for all intents and purposes like a girl with a shaved head. I find it hard to believe that in this brutal world regular people are particularly accepting of trans people. No-one ever even 'mistakes' Lev for a girl, except for Lev's former tribe who are painted as cartoonishly evil. The wokeness that's in the newer Naughty Dog games essentially is putting things in not because they make a good story, but because they want to promote a progessive message (in this case, 'trans men are men' and 'women are as strong as men, sex difference are a made up thing because of patriarchy')
Sam
2022-04-30 22:49:39 +0000 UTCI know I'm in the right place when there's a Bush reference 5 seconds into the show
Big Swingin' Rick
2022-04-30 22:17:24 +0000 UTCI think the ‘woke’ thing is more about Neil. Most likely due to the presentation https://youtu.be/DHynFVW7-KY
Theotokos Respecter
2022-04-30 21:35:05 +0000 UTCI think the long runtimes work well for the type of podcasting that you guys do. There ARE some podcasts out there that I think benefit from being shorter-form (improv/sketch comedy type content comes to mind—that kind of thing needs to be quick and snappy, and having a time constraint can help move things along), but for a more free-flowing, conversational exchange of ideas type experience like SS I think the longer format is appropriate and more engaging. It makes it feel natural.
Supes
2022-04-30 19:51:59 +0000 UTC4 hours is definitely not too long for me. If I have to, I'll just listen to the podcast bit by bit on different days :)
Cole
2022-04-30 18:22:33 +0000 UTC4 hour gang represent!
Retlaw
2022-04-30 18:13:45 +0000 UTCIs it true, ever get invited into a residence by a lonely housewife.. 😉😉😉😉
Doug Hogancamp
2022-04-30 17:56:12 +0000 UTC4hrs is too long? Idk maybe go for a walk, take a break, smoke a joint. No one's telling y'all to listen in one sitting.
Asique Alam
2022-04-30 17:37:10 +0000 UTCP.S. I often think the Sacred Symbols+ are too short lol
Bambi_Cobblestone
2022-04-30 17:17:41 +0000 UTCI'd happily have SS be even longer to be honest. I use it at work and on long drives. Doing chores. Sometimes I take a day or two to listen to the whole thing but that's fine.
NuclearProstate
2022-04-30 17:12:36 +0000 UTCLong live the 4 hr bangers of episodes
Jamie
2022-04-30 17:11:05 +0000 UTCDO NOT LISTEN TO THE GUY THAT SAYS 4 HOURS IS TOO LONG. For the hard laborers that depend on the amazing content throughout the day. I love having something to listen to for almost a whole work day of carrying mail. Cheers my sweet baby boys
Guns vs Kittens
2022-04-30 16:41:20 +0000 UTCThe longer episodes are always my favorite. You guys have gotten me through some of my hardest times and hard days of work. Thank you for all you do! Thank you Dustin for all you do to make it happen!
Bambi_Cobblestone
2022-04-30 16:13:40 +0000 UTC
