KnockBack, Episode 228: Game of Thrones (Season Seven)

The Iron Bank gets their money by hiring mercenaries like the Golden Company or funds the enemies of the person refusing inorder to kill them or seize what's owed.

Pace

I don't think people deserve plaudits for a job poorly done.

Colin Moriarty

The series needed to end (it was originally meant to be a seven season series—one season per book) and for as much as people may feel the last two seasons were rushed, the cast and crew did an amazing job trying to land the jumbo plane without a goddamn pilot, ie JRRM. Lighten up everyone!

Kid-Organic

I'm definitely seeing his claim more as I'm in the second book now. I don't think the show does a good job of introducing him or putting him into context.

Colin Moriarty

Me too.

Colin Moriarty

I want to hear the saga of Dagan getting to play D&D with these guys

Carlos Moreno

Just catching up with these episodes and it's been great to relive the series through your eyes, if at times frustrating to not be able to yell at you when you get things wrong. If there's one thing in which I must set the record straight its Stannis, the Mannis. You got his motivations wrong, and hopefully the books will help you see the one true King as he deserves. The main point is: he doesn't want the throne, he is not greedy or power hungry. He is fighting for it for the sole reason that he is (or at least believes to be) the rightful heir, and as such it is his duty to fulfil. He is all about duty and honor, and much like the real actor, just goes along relunctantly because it's the right thing to do. Also bear in mind that none of the heinous things later in the series happened in the books (at least yet). Looking forward to the last episode, and would really enjoy a special episode after you finish the books! Cheers

Tiago Cruzeiro

When George first met Benioff and Weiss to discuss making the show he asked them who they thought Jon’s mother was as a sort of test. They said the R + L = J theory, George confirmed it and agreed to let them do the show.

I finally just finished book one last night. =)

Colin Moriarty

Exactly. HBO is the steward of the show, not the tired and bored showrunners. They really fucked up.

Colin Moriarty

The books are awesome, glad you’re reading them. I read the first 3 in a 2 week duration when I was a round 12 years old. GRRM doesn’t owe me anything, but I have soured on him since he has not released another for so long, I really don’t read his work anymore unless he finally delivers. He used to be a top 3-5 author of mine. He has some great sci fi and a really good vampire novel (Fevre Dream, set during the steamboat times).

TL

Completely agree that HBO should have taken the show from the show runners if they were tired of doing the show. Maybe we could have gotten something more befitting the characters and the earlier seasons.

Angel DeJesus

Thank you. =)

Colin Moriarty

I'm reading the books, so I'm gonna hold off.

Colin Moriarty

Thanks for listening. =)

Colin Moriarty

Sad to see. =\

Colin Moriarty

This is what I said on the show, though: HBO needed to act as a steward of the IP on its air and cancel or postpone it rather than do it injustice. That's my entire point.

Colin Moriarty

Hey Colin/Dagan, R+L = J Is the long running fan theory that Jon Snow is in actuality the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. It's hinted many times during the books as well as in the early seasons of GoT that the accepted story of Lyanna's fate is incorrect. That she was not raped and murdered by Rhaegar and that Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie, that Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) is the rightful heir to the throne of Westeros. He is the literal song of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire(Rhaegar Targaryen) The question of Jon's mother's identity comes up in the first season. The lie that Ned tells seems completely out of character for a man who is honorable to a fault. He tells Jon before he heads to the wall that he'll tell him the truth about his mother. In another scene early in the series Little Finger is speaking with Sansa in front of the effigy of Lyanna in the crypts of Winterfell. When she says that her Aunt was raped during this conversation he tilts his head knowingly and replies with something cryptic suggesting that this may be untrue. Sam in the late seasons discovers that Rhaegar secretly had his marriage annulled since she could not provide him with an heir, further feeding this theory. There's also a whole bunch of other stuff that also points to this but I feel these are the most telling. There is a fantastic breakdown of the theory on YouTube he sites quotes from both the books as well as the show. I'll post it here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqzFwodZqQ

Alex Cabrera

I still enjoyed season 7 a lot. I think it is hard to whittle down a story like this into a definitive ending since everything is kind of a mess the way things intertwine. Keep pushing through that book brother. Can’t wait for season 8’s knock back, you guys have done a great job with this series.

Mitchell Lundsberg

I haven't been watching the series, but it's been really great to vicariously reexperience it with you guys! Thanks for the quality content as always my dudes.

Tonys_Always_Write

I think my favorite example of an actor being over this show is Conleth Hill, who plays Varys. For anyone interested, watch him during the final table reads for season eight. That is a man who loved the show but hated where it ended up.

macdaddyx4

Funnily enough, it wasn’t HBO that made the seasons shorter, it was the creators Dan and Dave. They were done with the show and wanted to move on to other projects. The rushed nature, like you said, truly shows. HBO has been quoted as saying they wanted as much Thrones as possible. Also, some blame must be put on GRRM. He promised them he would finish Winds of Winter and he didn’t. Still hasn’t. Dan and Dave started the project by being promised that they would adapt the books. They never imagined having to create the complex ending to a series that the author can’t even figure out. Shame all around. But, overall I still think the show stands as one of the greats.

Robbie Agnew

When Micah and I were watching it, she called him like immediately. LOL.

Colin Moriarty

Ed Sheeran cameo-ing in season 7 showed Game of Thrones was more concerned about being a popular culture touchstone at the time than cementing any sort of legacy that would outlast all of us. Some sad shit

Steve Forgione

<3

Colin Moriarty

Interesting.

Colin Moriarty

Yes, yes.

Colin Moriarty

ahh, the calm before the storm

Jacob

I've still only watched the final season. Out of context, it was actually pretty good

Boomboom Washington

season 7 makes me sad,but knockback of season 7 makes me happy

GJ