KnockBack, Episode 91: PlayStation 3
Added 2019-11-07 17:01:02 +0000 UTCThe original PlayStation completely dominated its generation. So did PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 4. PlayStation 3, on the other hand, fought tooth-and-nail for every single unit its pushed, and its particular battle -- waged against Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii -- ended up being Sony's most perilous corporate period in decades. In fact, PlayStation 3 ended up costing Sony nearly $2 billion in its first year on the market alone. Yet, through its horrendous start, bad PR, and staunch competition, PS3 ended up becoming the fifth best-selling home video game console of all-time, and at nearly 90 million sold, it ultimately ended up surpassing its arch-nemesis Xbox 360 in total sales. So let's take some time to celebrate Sony's little engine-that-could, from an era that could have easily spelled doom for the PlayStation brand completely, yet didn't.
Comments
Any memories of PlayStation Home? Surprised but also not surprised it didn't get a mention.
Dan
2020-06-05 21:50:39 +0000 UTCColin holy shit you hit the nail on the head with what makes trophies appealing. The fact that is mirrors an RPG and leveling up really lends to this sense of progression and accomplishment. It's like a badge of honor and it also ties into your correct assessment that Playstation brand has chosen the hardcore route. Trophies tie into that so heavily. And yes we know. They hold no meaning BLAH BLAH and it would be cool if they had any tangible use, but still. I'm a hardcore gamer and my closest friends are and it's nice to compare list with people and see the games they really enjoy. Because another feature of having trophies is that you can tell what type of gamer someone is by their trophy list. Great feature and I hope Sony has a great way to interface it more into PS5
Brett Carlson
2020-01-28 03:09:31 +0000 UTCWith all that's happening with NCAA right now, I suspect you'll get an NCAA Football 21 or 22. =)
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-22 20:43:17 +0000 UTCYour name is epic. I have to tell you that.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-22 20:42:58 +0000 UTCStill keep mine hooked up for an occasional NCAA Football 14 fix.
Roy Luckadoo
2019-11-20 06:05:58 +0000 UTCHello guys. Another great episode with a gripping conversation. I just want to add some nuance to a couple of things said about the PS3. Colin mentioned Cerny's remarks about dev time being much longer than PS 1 and 2, because of the architecture of the console, but one must also take into account that it also has the transition from SD gaming to high definition. More recently Nintendo mentioned a similar issue in there WiiU jump. Another remark (and one Colin always mentions about the PS3) is that the PS3 sold more, with one year less in the market. That is a correct statement but I believe that it speaks volumes about the will of Sony as a company than the PS3 as a product, because the Xbox 360 was left moving with just market inertia for around two years (barely any first party AAA released), while PS3 saw some of its best first party games released. Ok, that's all. Just something to add context. Thanks for another great episode.
Arquimedes Quintero II
2019-11-18 11:51:16 +0000 UTCI hope you enjoy(ed)!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-16 22:27:00 +0000 UTCI'll defer to you on the technical realities, but I still find it strange that they seem completely incapable of fixing the issue.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-16 22:26:51 +0000 UTCPossibly? Almost anything can happen on KnockBack. We have an infinite number of topics and hopefully many years to get to as much of it as we can!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-16 22:26:22 +0000 UTCThis is a problem he must overcome!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-16 22:25:59 +0000 UTCI will always love the machine, too. It's a special one.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-16 22:25:51 +0000 UTCThis episode will be glorious 🤘🏽I have so many great memories on PS3..Modern Warfare 4. Playing Resident Evil 5 co-op over and over with my foster dad.
Alexander Ivarson
2019-11-14 19:53:04 +0000 UTCThe reason there's no PS3 backward compatibility is that the PS3's architecture was so alien compared to anything else. While the base CPU was the same as the 360's CPU, there was a LOT of different tech hanging off that CPU on the PS3, whereas the 360 had the CPU and a GPU. That's pretty much it. So getting a 360 emulator running on x86, while not entirely trivial, is significantly easier than getting a Cell emulator up and running on x86. In layman's terms, the 360 had a multi-core CPU, which is fundamentally how things are on x86. The PS3 had a multi-core CPU with a bunch of secondary CPUs connected to it. And therein lies the problem. Getting an x86 to accurately emulate both the PowerPC CPU and all of those little, specialized CPUs in any meaningful way requires a lot more computing power than what we have now. Quite possibly more than we'll have next gen. I wouldn't count on PS3 emulation in the PS5. It's possible, but I'm not expecting it.
Sam Dunham
2019-11-14 18:49:34 +0000 UTCDo you guys think you’ll ever do a retrospective on the films of Ron Clements and John Musker like you did the films of Don Bluth? Love the show!
Taylor
2019-11-14 02:21:42 +0000 UTCLoved the idea of the first segment. A suggestion for Dagan in order to avoid the problem of giving away the answers due to probability: if you want to have 10 "items" on the list, make 20 of them, half real and half fake, then randomly select 10 out of that batch. Then there's no way of knowing what comes next =D
Petre Cismigiu
2019-11-12 12:55:07 +0000 UTCPS3 will always be my most memorable console, I got it for Christmas in 07 and was my primary gaming machine from the third grade to the 9th grade
Branden
2019-11-11 04:26:43 +0000 UTCSixAxis was so, so bad.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-10 19:33:58 +0000 UTCI'm surprised we didn't even talk about that game!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-10 19:33:47 +0000 UTCHe's the best.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-10 19:33:38 +0000 UTCIt was a little lonely, wasn't it?
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-10 19:33:33 +0000 UTCI wish I had of made this a comment before the show. I don't think it can be overstated how bad the Sixaxis controller was. Felt like a kids toy. Also, Sony's whole attitude during the PS3 generation was a huge turn off to me. Saying things like get a 2nd job to buy the console or that rumble isn't a part of the future for controllers. Despite their best efforts early on, they ended up outselling the 360. I had both systems but 360 was the better console imo.
Samuel Mills
2019-11-09 20:58:43 +0000 UTCI got my PS3 when Metal Gear Solid 4 launched. That was a good day...
Michael Miller
2019-11-09 19:06:54 +0000 UTCCheaters with Joey Greco! Fantastic reference.
Daniel Boyer
2019-11-09 17:18:06 +0000 UTCWas a very alone generation for me, seeing most friends having 360 and all the PS1/2 users jump ship as well. Very happy Sony turned it around.
Brandon Soto
2019-11-08 23:09:54 +0000 UTCGame rules.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:58:21 +0000 UTCThank you for your service. =)
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:58:15 +0000 UTCAwesome. Love the story.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:58:04 +0000 UTCIt was so weird. I dunno why I remember people doing that, but I do.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:57:44 +0000 UTCThat's personal.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:57:34 +0000 UTCWelcome back, Kotter.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:57:26 +0000 UTCIt's so strange that it was so long ago now... but it was!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:57:11 +0000 UTCWell good, because I love talking about 'em!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:53 +0000 UTCWe'll get there eventually.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:43 +0000 UTCYou have the control!!!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:33 +0000 UTCInteresting! I just don't hear it.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:26 +0000 UTCThat's some GameStop shit.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:16 +0000 UTCI remember watching Mark Ryan Sallee playing it at IGN in the fall of 2007, when he was writing the guide. Very memorable, seeing it for the first time.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:56:06 +0000 UTCNice, very cool.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:55:37 +0000 UTCThat's really kind of you to say. We're happy to be here for you!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:55:29 +0000 UTCSixAxis was rough.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:55:18 +0000 UTCProbably true, but also unknowable!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:55:09 +0000 UTC???
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:54:55 +0000 UTCI agree, it's catalog of games is superb.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:54:48 +0000 UTCMay it long reign.
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:54:38 +0000 UTC=)
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:54:29 +0000 UTC<3
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:54:23 +0000 UTCI'm glad it all worked out. =D
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:53:21 +0000 UTC=)
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:53:11 +0000 UTC!!!
Colin Moriarty
2019-11-08 22:52:58 +0000 UTCgreat episode! Loved Shatter - its on PS Now (in Europe at least) and always worth a go!
Michael Cook
2019-11-08 20:53:20 +0000 UTCI was stationed in Okinawa Japan when the 60GB backward compatible Fatty PS3 came out. Was the first console I ever bought with my own money. I loved and traveled with it for years until I got the YLOD in 2011. I tried the "Oven Trick" and got another few years out of it before it just became inoperable and I upgraded to the PS4.
Devon McCarty
2019-11-08 20:16:12 +0000 UTCLove the vivi pic. Final fantasy 9 was my second fave of the series
Adam Thiry
2019-11-08 18:25:11 +0000 UTCI remember getting my ps3. I pretty much grew up in PlayStation, but my friend at the time had a Xbox 360 with gta IV. While In high school in 2007 that’s what I asked for when my birthday came around. I had no idea about the ps3, until I got to college in 2010 and WOW. I started by watching a YouTuber by the name of Vash12349. He was playing uncharted, infamous, and metal gear solid 4. My grandfather got me a Ps3 with metal gear solid 4 and I didn’t look back. I started playing every big Sony exclusive I could get my hands on. Ps3 is the reason I’m a hardcore gamer now. And why I collect PlayStation hardware and games.
D'Ante Almo
2019-11-08 14:40:28 +0000 UTCYou never fucked your PS3????!?!?!? What a fake gamer
Craig Carter
2019-11-08 13:09:36 +0000 UTCI completely missed out on ps3 I went straight to Xbox 360. Had one of the originals that did not red ring of death on me. My best friend who was my neighbor got a ps3 late in the generation and I would go over to play it/borrow it to play yakuza! I didn’t get a PS4 till two years ago and man did I miss Sony. Happy to be back in the family
Kenneth Oms
2019-11-08 12:37:40 +0000 UTCReally liked this episode. PS3 and 360 were my prime gaming days, now I've grown up and don't have as much time. Was nice to be nostalgic for those times for awhile.
Matthew Cooper
2019-11-08 04:44:46 +0000 UTCHaze was developed by Free Radical, the same studio that did the timesplitters games on ps2. They were madeup of a lot of the people responsible for goldeneye and perfect dark at rare. I remember being so hype for haze, then I saw the reviews and my dreams were shattered
Alex Cabrera
2019-11-08 01:41:58 +0000 UTCI always love hearing Colin talk about trophies.
SLtheFMA
2019-11-08 01:40:47 +0000 UTC15 mins in and just getting to the topic. This is why I subscribe, gents! <3
Forrest Hunter
2019-11-07 22:25:23 +0000 UTCI love that by continually voting on these modern gaming topics, we're slowly converting Dagan to being a modern gamer.
David Graham
2019-11-07 21:21:22 +0000 UTCOne of the first Knockback episodes I've listened to and can confirm, the entire time, I wanted to call Dagan "Kermit Colin". I will say he isn't full Ray Ramano. He's Colin with a "Kermity" voice. Oh, and extremely excited for Dead Space!
Silentandcliche
2019-11-07 20:53:53 +0000 UTCMan I remember camping outside of my local k mart for ps3. Best Buy had people camping for days so I chose a not so popular location. They told me it was mandatory to buy a controller and a game with the system lol good times
Shamar Lomax
2019-11-07 20:24:31 +0000 UTCBeen eagerly awaiting this episode. The PS3 was my console of choice in my adolescence and I went with it over a 360 all because of an awesome trailer for Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune. I remember getting the game and system for my 14th birthday and being absolutely blown away by the visuals. My love of PlayStation had me watching all the E3 shows, back when you could download the press event off of the PSN, and then got me into Beyond. Years later I’m still around and love everything PlayStation but PS3 is what really hooked me in. Jumping in to listen now!
Cannonball_Jones
2019-11-07 19:53:07 +0000 UTCSo pumped for this! Also, Digital Foundry has a really cool Retro of the PS3 Reveal in 2005 and the 2006 E3 that I believe pairs nicely with this Ep of KnockBack! 2005 Reveal Retro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lcmNu7dkqY&t=101s 2006 E3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdZECRGDSH8&t=2s
Toren R. (KESA)
2019-11-07 18:59:53 +0000 UTCAfter a really shitty day i needed this thank you. This is the best Patreon i ever supported
Michael Choueiri
2019-11-07 18:57:39 +0000 UTCPs3 was my 3rd(?) Console, between Wii and 360, I broke like 4 controllers playing MW3 with my friends, loved the controller but next to the 360 it was no contest
Alex Lawrence
2019-11-07 18:34:17 +0000 UTCPs3 is the best system sony has made, you take the DVD player away from the ps2 and you probably have a 50 million seller
Hose A Contra Razz
2019-11-07 18:32:25 +0000 UTCthe word "cosplayer" is what gave it away to me
Ricardo Lopez
2019-11-07 17:48:47 +0000 UTCLong live the king that was PS3, still play mine weekly and it is my favorite system of all time. By far it has the best catalog of games ever.
Cameron O'Neill
2019-11-07 17:42:01 +0000 UTC#Cops4Ever
GameSimp
2019-11-07 17:41:20 +0000 UTCLooks at email notifications*...... Fuuuck yeahhh.
Ryan Harvey
2019-11-07 17:15:47 +0000 UTCThe AP quotes had me dying
Erik Peterson
2019-11-07 17:11:34 +0000 UTCI spent more hours playing PS3 than studying in college haha. Don’t worry I still graduated and became a successful adult.
James Galos
2019-11-07 17:11:16 +0000 UTCLikewise!
Brandon Soto
2019-11-07 17:07:53 +0000 UTCAt long last, my topic is finally here!
Brandon Soto
2019-11-07 17:07:38 +0000 UTCMan can’t wait to listen!
Raymond keys
2019-11-07 17:03:31 +0000 UTCIt's finally here!
MayorGarbageMan
2019-11-07 17:03:21 +0000 UTC
