Sacred Symbols+, Episode LIX: Challenging Chris

I LIVE for Chris' love of Red Dead Redemption 2, it always makes me happy to hear him talk about it! I know you loved it too Colin. I'd love for you to get Dagan to play it and have a 5 hour Knockback all about it <3

Jeremy

Isn't it up to interpretation?

Colin Moriarty

Chris over here thinking Last of us 2 was just a revenge story... jeez. It's mostly about Ellie forgiving Joel, letting go of him and moving on. She wanted to die and have her life mean something in the first game but Joel took that away from her and lied. So the game is Ellie coming to terms with his death and forgiving him. Hints the final scene of her walking away from the guitar.

Conrad

Chris isn't a fanboy, ya dig?

Colin Moriarty

Shut it, CRAIG.

Colin Moriarty

Good stuff. Some questions really did seem to want Chris to like TLOU2 or to somehow not give Xbox positive coverage. Honestly, it seems some PS fans do snub Xbox games and call anyone a fan boy if they even enjoy Xbox titles at all.

JusticeSoulTuna

Cod is baby's first competitive FPS and I love cod BTW.

Craig Mcguire

I think Chris definitely leans xbox, but that’s alright. He brings an objectivity that you’ve never seen in beyond or ps I love you. And why these two cats have the best ps podcast out there...not even close. Dream team baby....

Librado sanchez

I agree! <3

Colin Moriarty

Chris does good work. =)

Colin Moriarty

<3

Colin Moriarty

Everything can't be for everyone.

Colin Moriarty

We tried to warn you!

Colin Moriarty

<3

Colin Moriarty

And if he does?!

Colin Moriarty

I'm glad you enjoyed!

Colin Moriarty

Chris is in a good spot with his Internet, being in LA, so I'd love to hear what he has to say about the service, maybe in '21.

Colin Moriarty

It's confusing why people even care. LOL.

Colin Moriarty

This will be the last time, I hope.

Colin Moriarty

Yeah, I've always respected Chris' perspective on this.

Colin Moriarty

He's about to have his chance. =)

Colin Moriarty

This episode is ultimately what you guys make of it!

Colin Moriarty

The secrets of the DualShock 4.

Colin Moriarty

We're so used to being mocked and tormented on the Internet.

Colin Moriarty

That's right.

Colin Moriarty

Thank you!

Colin Moriarty

Heh.

Colin Moriarty

Well.

Colin Moriarty

Thank you. <3

Colin Moriarty

There are plenty of folks who agree with you guys, no doubt.

Colin Moriarty

That would be fun. But is Dagan even capable of being disagreeable? I'm not sure!

Colin Moriarty

He's getting there.

Colin Moriarty

People really need to get over Chris not liking TLOU II haha. Anyway, great listen, thanks for passing on my question Colin.

Your Boi Nicky V

Loved your tlou2 answer. Personally I find it weird that anyone would say you sounded spoiled or that you have an Xbox bias just because you play on every system and can appreciate things about them better. That last answer was pretty personal and your opinion has always been valid. Actually seeing some of these comments sent in and the comments here kind of reveals how hard some people fanboy about PS, which I guess should be obvious.

David P

Hey Chris, Great ep. Appreciated the candour. Cheers, Pete

Pete

Good episode! Personally I didn't play TLOU2 im just not interested, and yes I tried to play the first one. Also PS now mostly hinges on your internet connection and places like even if you have a wired connection the population of the area you live in changes your speed.

Simon Payne

Boy I wish I would’ve read that spoiler warning before listening, trying to forget now lol

The Chicken Chaser

Hey Chris, your answer to the last TLoU2 was very thoughtful. I appreciate that

Maxx Lazos

Chris has never had good nachos, he doesn't like peanut butter, I'm really starting to think Chris has a child's palette.

Ian (616Entertainment)

I know everyone is getting sick of talking about Last Of Us 2 but I really appreciated hearing Chris’ final thoughts on it and I understand where he’s coming from more now than during the spoilercast

Oliver Johnson

You need to try ps now again because if you are saying it’s bad you haven’t tried it in a long time. Gamepass is not a better service. The only advantage is brand new releases but most of those games are trash. Ps now has more games and you can download most of them and the Ps3 streaming works great now. Gamepass being the best value in gaming is the biggest lie you hear people constantly say. You can get ps now on sale for $45 a year while gamepass is a lot more expensive and the overall quality of games is higher on ps. If you still wanted to kill Abby at the end you are probably a sociopath

Dom posa

No it doesn't. You have to hold two different buttons to sync it. Therefore, by definition, it has no sync button, just a sync function.

LaFlex

The ps4 controller has a sync button.

IceCreamRickShaw

Holy cow people reeeeally want Chris to like TLOU2 lol. I completely agree though the story they wanted to tell would've been great if they didn't completely botch the execution. Imagine in an alternate timeline where they marketed TLOU2 as not having anything to do with Joel and Ellie and you get it and play the first half as Abbey get to see her story and get a chance to sympathize and the Tee Off would've been the midway point of the game. Would've made me feel a lil bit bad for killing Abbey's friends and the dogs

Empty Symbol

I hate that Chris has to keep explaining his extremely valid reasons for not liking Last of Us 2.

Luke Silletta

Yeah, people on Twitter and YouTube have a thing for totally misunderstanding Chris and have no clue what they're talking about.

Carlos Fregoso

Also, I gotta say, I loved the last of part 2, however I can totally understand why Chris didn’t like it. It definitely has some flaws. Don’t know why people are so worked up about his opinion lol

Will Hahn

This episode was great. I still can’t believe he hasn’t played Mario Galaxy... I’m jealous. I’d love to experience that game for the first time again, he’s in for a treat!

Will Hahn

Half of these aren’t challenging chris and are just asking him questions lol enjoyed the episode still tho!

Josh Lucas

To the guy who thinks PS4 controllers don’t have a sync button... they totally do. It’s just holding down the PS button and share button.

Jordan Goodeye

I like how people can call Chris anything and he just rolls right by it. lol

NeO JD

This episode should be inherently wild. 🤘🏽

Dominican Lou

Going to be honest, felt like some of questions especially around TLOTU2 got a little bit personal in their criticism- it's possible to challenge the mans opinion without taking personal shots. Also what is the communism/far right joke about? Is it a Twitter thing?

Michael Cook

Chris I really enjoyed your episode and all of your opinions! You and Colin are incredible at podcasting. Don’t let anyone tell you less!

Andrew Lewis

I admire that Chris is still willing to die on the “I’m wrong about the last of us 2” hill.

sam croese

“I like my fair share of cods”-Chris Ray Gun

Tyler Floyd

Chris has definitely grown as the show has gone on. I was a fan of the both of you prior to your convergence, and I was excited to hear that you'd be working together on this now über successful podcast. I thought of you two as personalities that would provide for interesting interactions even prior to the creation of the show; you've got great instincts! 👍🏻

Max Stahl

I completely agree with Chris on TLoU 2, the length, the whole switching characters and not giving a fuck for one of them and how the flashbacks were the best part. The game could of axed the whole Abby part and just followed Ellie and it would of been better off for it. But I was fine with how it ended, I agree it should of been a choice but TLoU didn’t give you a choice and TLoU is my favorite game of all time. Don’t ever apologize for how you felt toward Joel, it just shows how great Naughty Dog was able to make Joel and Ellie. Abby’s friends got exactly what was coming to them and.. spoilers.. Ellie should of left the bitch hanging after she put a shotgun shell to her leg. I was glad how Abby felt each time Ellie or tommy killed someone who was close to her.

Michael Thew

Damn where is the challenging Dagan episode?

There’s No I in LLC

Good episode for the comments you were given, Chris. You need to say more disagreeable shit like Colin! 😂

Jake Z

I love PB. =\

Colin Moriarty

Thanks for your support!

Colin Moriarty

When I was in games media, the bias was developing, but not quite there yet. I think it's there. I think there's a PlayStation Bump... though not as substantial as the Nintendo Bump.

Colin Moriarty

Allan Sweeney

I agree with Chris on almost everything game related, so I didn't have much to say for this episode. In saying that I love hearing other opinions!

Anthony J Sanchez

I disagree that games media has a Playstation bias. Playstation games get good reviews and good coverage because they make good games. I do think there is an Xbox bias now though with games media basically advertising for Game Pass more than Microsoft itself. Games media didn't really talk about value for price much before this, unless there was an outlier case like The Order: 1886. They used to mainly talk about the quality of a game regardless of price. Now they continually say something is worth checking out for free on Game Pass, as if time is still not a cost.

Jake Z

Yes.

Colin Moriarty

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Colin Moriarty

Soon.

Colin Moriarty

Thanks.

Colin Moriarty

The only thing better then Chris Nips are Colin's Nips

Michael Toledo

Doesn’t put peanut butter on a sandwich... wtf...

Owen

Next up: Challenging Challenging Episodes: how Colin and Chris got getting wrong wrong. Part I.

Ben

Credit where credit is due, however: both of those cover arts were 10/10

Evan Bederman

All day.

Colin Moriarty

But he's talking to Patreon's technically.

Carlos Fregoso

Yes!

Colin Moriarty

&lt;3

Colin Moriarty

I don't understand why these episodes are solo ones. Listening to a single person podcast just feels weird to me, I want to listen to a conversation rather than a monologue.

Evan Bederman

N I P S

Justin Williams

What an absolute Chad of a specimen

JD

Same here, Carlos.

Derek Waechter

Thanks Chris!

Derek Waechter

That thumbnail got me on WET mode

Carlos Fregoso