Sacred Symbols+, Episode LXX: Miles Morales Spoilercast and Review Discussion

They could have you alternate between both like AC Syndicate did. Have a mission be for Peter, one for Miles. Have collectibles or challenge specific to each one, would be great.

RD_21

They should have kill him in the first when they were both unconscious side by side, that would have been a bold move.

RD_21

Personally I also would love him to replace Pete

RD_21

Just finished it and listening to it. Took me 20 hours for one 100% playthrough, just need my NG+ for the plat. Played Spider-Man Remastered just before. The Venom powers were great, but the gadgets were 10 time better in the full game. I found myself always forgetting about the gadget in Miles Morales because they were so useless and cumbersome to change for what they would be giving you. In Remastered you almost HAD to web the big guy so the impact web, the shotgun or the one that exploded were super useful. You also had the gadget to bring two guys together instant takedown.

RD_21

I did enjoy it! Even when i disagree with an opinion i think you guys are some of if not the best voices in the industry. It just wasnt really a spoilercast, more of an indepth review. Just giving some friendly criticism, i just love it when you guys dive deeper into story discussions. Love you guys and hope yall have a great holiday.

Brandon L Bevilacqua

Interesting. I never played it, personally.

Colin Moriarty

I see.

Colin Moriarty

You're not alone, it seems!

Colin Moriarty

It seems like a big move. I wouldn't do it.

Colin Moriarty

Nerd alert.

Colin Moriarty

Sorry you didn't enjoy it!

Colin Moriarty

It's open world. I don't like that approach for this formula...

Colin Moriarty

Well... that's lucky!

Colin Moriarty

I liked 'em both about the same, I think.

Colin Moriarty

Nice! Enjoy.

Colin Moriarty

I think when we see the real sequel depends entirely on where it takes place.

Colin Moriarty

I see. I hope he doesn't. =\

Colin Moriarty

Great! =)

Colin Moriarty

Thanks for listening. =)

Colin Moriarty

<3

Colin Moriarty

No, we realize that. What we're saying is, that's a weird word to use in that universe if it has nothing to do with Venom.

Colin Moriarty

I think it took me maybe 20-25 hours.

Colin Moriarty

I hope they don't.

Colin Moriarty

That would be cool.

Colin Moriarty

She didn't bother me as much as she did the other guys, I'll admit.

Colin Moriarty

Sure, that's an option.

Colin Moriarty

Glad it resonated with you. =)

Colin Moriarty

It would be neat for them to open Queens and Brooklyn up, though -- as I said on the show -- it may be hard to web-sling in those places.

Colin Moriarty

We hope you like our show when you come back!

Colin Moriarty

That would be neat.

Colin Moriarty

I did it fairly quickly... but not THAT quickly.

Colin Moriarty

Yes.

Colin Moriarty

<3

Colin Moriarty

Chris totally forgot about Ultimate Spider-Man on the PS2! In that game I believe you could cross one of the main bridges into the 'smaller-buidlinged' Queens area from the 'bigger-buildinged' Manhattan zone with taller buildings and stuff like that. That game focused on a younger Spidey so it fit thematically and it was also much more focused on smaller scale swinging on smaller buildings. I actually kind of dig Ultimate Spider-Man more just because the swinging feels so unique and has fantastic flow. I hope this made sense. Anyone else feel this way?

SnipaMasta

About Miles and the police, if you stick around after stopping a crime in progress you hear some one liners. One of them is Miles saying he should leave before the cops show up because he doesn't want to hear the vigilante talk again

James Guerrero

I liked both games, and I honestly like Miles a lot as well. Best superhero created in the last ten years. But stop with this shit that he has to replace Peter. If Peter dies in the next game, I'm not even going to bother playing it.

If they kill Peter in the second game then I'm out. Peter Parker is Spider-Man. I don't mind Miles in these in between stories but Peter is the main.

Loved the spoilercast. Please allow me to nerd out a second to clarify a few things. First of all, these Spiderman games take a lot of liberty from the source material. For example, Harry Osborn is likely to be Venom instead of Eddie Brock as teased in the end credits for Spiderman and Miles Morales. This could explain why the symbiote suit is not in either game as Chris suspects. The other thing is that they converted the old man Phineas Mason into a female character Phin, but they are both known as the Tinkerer. I didn't notice the low police presence in the game until you guys mentioned it but something I think you missed was that they lightly touched on police brutality towards minorities in the bridge scene where the Roxxon soldiers were going to shoot Miles even though he didn't do anything wrong. You see the reaction from the crowd as they film the interaction on their phones.

Brian Lau

Hey guys this was a great Review podcast but honestly a very Lackluster Spoilercast. When you hear Spoilercast you expect to hear story and setpiece conversations and you literally talked about the end for a solid minute. It was still a good listen but i wish you would actually talk about moments in the game and what you thought about that other than load times graphics and the price of the game. Keep it up just a genuine critique.

Brandon L Bevilacqua

I think an RE2 type approach would be cool in the new spiderman.

Travis B

I plan on playing this game but still listened. There were no major spoilers in this spoiler cast.

SteelChevron

Better then Peter Parker game. And best Spidey movie of all time

Erk-Prime

This is the first spoiler cast I actually beat the game in time for 😂. Can’t wait to listen!

DB Cooper

I don’t mind then reusing the map going forward. I didn’t even pay too much attention to it in Miles. For me, it’s more about the scenarios and gameplay sequences. I’m in the minority with the gameplay. I actually prefer the original’s because of Pete’s gadgets and mainly his use of webbing. Especially later on in the DLC sections where the combat is a lot harder, and part of that balance is figuring out which gadget to use and when. Miles has the initial webbing ability but it’s practically useless cause you have to press R1 so many times before someone gets stuck up. Aside from the stealth sections, Miles fights more with his fists than he actually uses his webs. I liked the Tinkerer’s purple look but I wasn’t a fan of the Prowler’s design. I agree with Chris on the Finn motivation point. The end of the story is definitely silly and a means to an end. Hailey & Miles is definitely a ship. I’m expecting more in 2. I wasn’t a fan of Troy or Ashly Burch in this game but it wasn’t because I’m used to their voices, it’s because I didn’t like the characters they played. It’s looking for sure that the sequel will bring out the toughest of Pete’s rogue gallery with Venom (Harry), Green Goblin (Norman), and Lizard (Kurt) leading the charge. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s coop but at the same time I think it could still be single player with either Pete or Miles getting taken over by the Venom symbiote. I’m thinking it’ll be Miles because Insomniac has been switching it up a lot in this universe, and I think it’ll hit with the audience stronger. And yes, Venom Miles has happened before. Lastly, I’m thinking late 2022 or first half 2023 for the sequel for sure.

NeO JD

I'm sure Peter is going to die next game because from what I know on some of his story from the comic spider-verse and some of the animations Miles appeared in for a while, the pattern is that Miles comes from a world where Peter died and Miles has to fill in the shoes. It's nothing new and I'm sure it will be the case in this one.

FluffyNeko

Hey boys, Colin mentioned that he hopes some sparks fly between Miles and Hailey. Well, in a phone call with Gloria (the FEAST coordinator) after you beat the game, Gloria asks Miles to come in and volunteer. Miles declines saying he is going on a date with none other than Hailey. Hope this puts Colin's mind at ease and here's to some non venom sparks flying in the inevitable sequel.

FarmerJimmy

Man, I disagree with just about everything that was said here. I thought the writing in the first game was much better. The relationships between Pete and Octavius and between Pete and Mary Jane were more nuanced and interesting than any relationship in this game. A Spiderman that's been doing the job for awhile and is kind of jaded was more fresh and intriguing than another superhero story about a character learning the ropes of their powers. The comedy writing was better in the first game. Pete had lots of funny quips that made him more endearing, his interactions with Mary Jane had lots of humorous moments, the J. Jonah Jameson conspiratorial ramblings were more sharply observed satire, the social feed was a legitimately hilarious parody of actual Twitter. Miles came off as a one note goody two shoes with pretty lame dad jokes for the most part. The increased gadget options in Spiderman 2018 diversified the combat encounters more. In this game the combat quickly became repetitive. The puzzles and other gameplay variety also kept me more engaged in the first game. The game is better in fidelity mode with ray tracing. At 60 frames it felt more gamey and less cinematic, more visual flaws were noticeable, and it created the soap opera effect. Miles and Phin are not "best friends." They're old friends. And Phin's justification for blowing up the place was that it would be more newsworthy and create a backlash, whereas having her story published in some article would just get buried in all the other news, so it made sense. Oh well! Lol

Jake Z

What an amazing game! I'm looking forward to listening to this after I complete the game.

Anthony J Sanchez

I think they are calling his powers venom is like a reference to like spider venom and not really related to the character Venom at all.

I platinumed it in under 15hrs. First play thru was 10hrs on the hardest difficulty available. That 10hrs was a full clear of everything

Wayde

It'll be ridiculous if they get rid of police interactions in Spider-Man 2, there's no reason for it

Watch Ergo Proxy

Awful villain. Her selfish revenge scheme was unnecessary, especially when knowing that it would wipe out Miles’ hometown.

Brandon Soto

I agree with Chris. Phin sucked as a character. She’s my biggest complaint about the game. I thought Prowler was way cooler.

Colton McKinney

I think in the next game, they’ll do Witcher 3 style worlds like going to newer locations as trips like in the newer movies. They can maybe do Chicago, other NYC boroughs, overseas places (Symkaria?) and the SSD would be demonstrated further in this case. It would be cool if the game picks up from Symkaria and that Spider-Man wasn’t just there for a vacation.

Mason M

I wanted to add my personal thoughts about phine character in mm. I didn't find her character unbelievable at all. She has lost everything and is alone her parents died and her brother who seems to have given everything he could to raise her gets cut down by a company that she hates. Her best friend lied to her and she has given up on logic and reason and gave into pure blind hate. She also gets full of her ego always believing she is right and smarter than everyone. She underestimates Kriger and even in flashbacks always believes she is right and better than miles. If anything it seems that she was more true to her character then you seem to give her credit for.

Adamthm

They could do something like the Arkham games where you could play as characters in the challenge rooms/maps. Arkham Knight you could play as Robin, Red Hood, Catwoman, Nightwing, Azrael etc. In Spiderman 2 maybe you could play as Black Cat, Silver Sable and Prowler in co op missions since those characters already had specific story team up missions in the Sony games already.

Real Radec

I’m hoping for Pete to get the symbiote early on and become the villain of the game as you play as Miles

Elias Salcedo

Great episode guys, going back to representation I feel like insomniac did a great job. I believe that representation is very important to a games realism in my last 16 or so years playing video games as I am 21 years old I’ve seen many games and movies that take place in New York and completely ignore the huge demographic of Dominicans and Puerto Rican’s the only game besides this one that I’ve ever seen represent our culture was GTA 4 and more specifically GTA ballad of gay tony where the main character was Dominican.

Elias Salcedo

I’d assume the next game will expand into the other boroughs, either Queens or Brooklyn, and Miles’ venom powers will be replaced by Peter’s symbiote suit (if they choose to go the venom route in the sequel). Plus it would make an amazing cover art with the black suit. Def not a short game, clocked in around 8 hours after completing it and that was going at a regular pace with story mixed in with side missions. Ps5 lowkey has the best exclusive lineup in Sony’s history

Stephen Forgione

I assume you'll be able to switch between Miles and Pete in the sequel, or maybe Pete/Miles is captured or hurt and the other is playable for a time.

Gr4vity400

I'll have to come back to this after I finally pick up the game and finish it, I bought the PS5 and have no money left over for games, luckily I have a pretty decent PS4 backlog thats improved on the PS5, like GoT and Days Gone. Looking forward to eventually listening to this

The Late Nate

Funny you talk about the location of the next game. There is a crazy rumor going on that the sequel is going to take place in Tokyo. I don't know how reliable it is though.

Real Radec

It did admittedly take me about 3 hours to beat new game plus but that’s with skipping cutscenes

Caolán Kelly

Illegitimate sons UNITE

Carlos Fregoso

Hear*

Dennis Johnson

Man, I haven't been this excited for a spoiler cast in a minute. Was super happy to here you enjoyed it so much, Colin, on the last episode of SS. Thanks and advanced for this one 🙏🏾

Dennis Johnson

Woohoo! Thanks, guys. Happy December.

Derek Waechter