Sacred Symbols, Episode 166: The Foreshadowing
Added 2021-09-03 16:00:09 +0000 UTCIt's about time! Sony has revealed that it will be conducting a 40 minute PS5-centric presentation in the coming days, and it'll be our first real, showcase-like look at PlayStation 5 content since the console launched (in fact, since long before it launched). The question is therefore this: What should we expect? God of War and Gran Turismo 7 seem like obvious choices. A Deathloop launch trailer, too. But it's what we don't know about that's most exciting of all, particularly from first and second party studios where the possibilities are seemingly endless. Plus: Death Stranding 2 looks like a distinct possibility, PlayStation Plus' newest free game offerings are a step in the right direction, Final Fantasy is about to storm PlayStation Now, and much more. Then: What's the difference between a remaster, a remake, and a reboot? Speaking of definitions, how do we define shovelware and vaporware? Will live shows like PAX ever make a full return? Will Chris ever return, or did he float away? All of that and more, as -- per usual -- we litter our show with your inquiries.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 - Intro
0:17:24 - Corrections and concerns.
0:22:59 - PlayStation is planning a showcase for September 9th.
0:30:54 - Horizon Forbidden West will force players to pay for a console generation update.
0:38:07 - DC and THQ Nordic have upcoming events.What will we see there?
0:42:57 - A few smaller news items.
1:04:27 - What have we been playing?
1:14:26 - A Death Stranding sequel may be on the way.
1:20:59 - Sony has revealed September’s PS+ titles.
1:28:34 - Sega may be losing its most important developer.
1:35:23 - The PS5 version of Cyberpunk 2077 may miss its target release date.
1:43:08 - Brendan “PlayerUnkown” Greene is going independent.
1:45:56 - eFootball will launch on September 30th.
1:47:13 - PlayStation Now has announced six Final Fantasy games are coming to the service.
1:50:22 - News of Ubisoft’s theme park has emerged.
1:55:25 - News Wrap-Up
1:57:35 - Why doesn’t Colin like 2.5 games?
2:02:32 - What will topple Hades’ spot at the top?
2:06:28 - Are game conventions dead?
2:09:41 - How do we feel about the “A Day Without Twitch” movement?
2:13:17 - What are the differences between remakes, remasters, and reimaginings?
2:20:27 - Why are people still getting excited over pre-rendered trailers?
Comments
Glad you enjoyed it. =)
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-10 00:50:44 +0000 UTCCould be.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-10 00:50:34 +0000 UTC=\
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-10 00:50:27 +0000 UTCI've been on a Halo replay as well and my experience with 4 was quite the opposite. I thought Halo 4 was considerably better than I remembered it being, even tossed the 360 version back in and was shocked by how good it looked even on the old console. Halo 5 not so much, it looked great, it played great, I enjoyed what I played of the multiplayer, I even thought the level design was decent with the branching paths and Uncharted-esque over the top sequences, but the overall story was very weak an the ending was a miserable rush job. Also I hated pretty much every character, even Buck who I had previously liked.
David Taylor
2021-09-07 17:11:11 +0000 UTCI dunno... I think the Norman Reedus slip-up was an intentional Red Herring to distract from what's really going on with Abandoned/Silent Hills. As you say, Norman knows what's up with the games industry and his buddy-buddy relationship with Kojima is no secret. #TinFoilHat #ARG
Kevin Cooper
2021-09-07 16:02:55 +0000 UTCAt my local theme park carowinds they have a Plants VS. Zombies ride. It was popular for about 3 months a few years back but now its super dead. Never a line and its mostly empty.
Clint
2021-09-07 03:40:54 +0000 UTCBut that was never an option anyone needed to originally take. There was the $80 cross gen bundle (just like CoD and 2K do) if you bought the standard PS4 version for $60, then you are likely going to play it there and move on. If you are actively attempting to procure a PS5, then you’ll want to play it safe and get the cross gen bundle… not needed anymore though.
The Eclectic Gamer
2021-09-07 01:55:28 +0000 UTCIt's harder to imagine a Death Stranding sequel, but I agree: I'm open to it.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-07 01:11:34 +0000 UTCThis is why we need definitions.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-07 01:11:21 +0000 UTCI think it's nuts to charge someone $130 to buy a game on two consoles, in which one is an upgrade of the other released simultaneously.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-07 01:11:06 +0000 UTCPeople are obsessed with micro-organization.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-07 01:10:42 +0000 UTCInteresting. And surprising that Nintendo would allow that.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-07 01:10:29 +0000 UTCI fucking hate the name "soulsborne" as a naming for any subgenre. even metroidvania means something to me. it's even worse because after sekiro, people call it "souls sekiro borne." disgusting. I can't even imagine what forced term people will have after elden ring comes out.
David P
2021-09-06 19:17:45 +0000 UTCI actually think you can find “Metroidvania” as a category on Xbox.
Cristian R
2021-09-06 15:33:11 +0000 UTCI don’t see an issue with a $10 upgrade, though do find the previously described $20 fee for the dual entitlement to be questionable. My question is why doesn’t anyone give flake to NBA2K22 and Call of Duty for charging $79.99 for cross-gen bundles? It is literally the exact same thing.
The Eclectic Gamer
2021-09-06 14:16:28 +0000 UTCI don’t think Souls-like is necessarily about difficulty but rather the style of action game. The ability to respawn enemies at a “campfire”, Stamina, and some RPG elements sprinkled in. I consider Jedi: Fallen Order to be a Souls-like, but it doesn’t have the iron clad difficulty that people expect from something classified under that moniker. What’s annoying is you can ask anyone and we’ll all have a different idea on what Souls-like means. Not to mention a lot of Souls fans on the internet like to gate keep by what they find “difficult” Regardless games have always been labeled in obtuse ways with a lot left up to interpretation. I know some people will consider Souls or even early Yakuza titles a “JRPG” because they take the “Japanese Role Playing Game” title literally while others would consider South Park Stick of Truth and Rainbow Moon JRPGS because they’re clearly inspired by those types of games. Either way keep fuckin that chicken guys. Good show as always
Felix Johnson
2021-09-05 16:25:39 +0000 UTCI thought that we didn’t need a sequel to Last Of Us and I was certainly wrong about that. I think Death Stranding has a lot of potential just by asking the question, “how does this world develop now that the States are reconnected?” I really don’t know how the gameplay will evolve but I think it’s such an interesting world and I’d love to see what happens next as it keeps spinning.
Oliver Johnson
2021-09-05 02:59:58 +0000 UTCI feel like it's coming, sooner or later.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:49:05 +0000 UTCI have been a continuous member since day one myself!
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:48:54 +0000 UTCThis is true.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:48:21 +0000 UTCI think most people tend to agree with him, though!
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:48:00 +0000 UTCIt would be cool to get one more, smaller game a month, I agree.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:43:13 +0000 UTCIt's just an automatic charge for me.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:41:18 +0000 UTCNot knowing what you're going to get seems fun to me, I dunno.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:40:50 +0000 UTCI believe it.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:40:36 +0000 UTC???
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:40:23 +0000 UTCI remain adequately confused about special editions not coming with the actual game, though I assume they're for digital purchasers...
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 21:12:28 +0000 UTCNo, that's good.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:57:05 +0000 UTCI'm feeling optimistic about it, personally. =)
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:56:54 +0000 UTCIt seems hard to believe that they could make a sequel compelling, but I'm not in the room. =)
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:56:39 +0000 UTCI will play it one day.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:55:48 +0000 UTCNo.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:55:41 +0000 UTCThat would be cool... but very quick for Insomniac.
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:53:48 +0000 UTCThank you!
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:53:27 +0000 UTCSee you soon. =)
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:53:22 +0000 UTC!!!
Colin Moriarty
2021-09-04 20:53:14 +0000 UTCDustin- I gotta say that I was the exact opposite of you regarding Halo 4 When I originally played it I was very unimpressed and slightly disappointed. Now, however, I've come around on it. I find it to a very compelling sidestory to what the usual Halo fare was at that point in time. I now think that focusing on the ForeRunners as the main villian instead of the Covenant and Flood was a great idea- although I will grant that some of the forerunner enemy design left alot to be desired. I just think that lumping Halo 4 and Halo 5 together these days is a little ....well, un nuanced I want to give 343 props where they are due, and while I can't forgive them props for Halo 5, I think it's fair for Halo 4
Jack Sibert
2021-09-04 16:05:31 +0000 UTCIf Sony announces Bloodborne 2, I'll buy a (probably scalped 😥) PS5 that same day
Jack Sibert
2021-09-04 15:23:54 +0000 UTCDustin is crazy. Halo 4 was by far the best campaign of the series. I loved all the Masterchief and Cortana stuff. And none of the lame Flood or Gravemind nonsense. Halo 5's story was terrible...but the gameplay was actually super fun IMO
Ryan Zimm
2021-09-04 13:32:02 +0000 UTCI signed up for Playstation Plus the day it came out. Of course I add the monthly games to my library but that's not the main reason I have kept it. It's just essential to the PlayStation experience to have a robust reliable online network. Compared to how terrible it was when it was free compared to what the Xbox 360 offered it's worth the money.
Ali Valeh
2021-09-04 08:08:04 +0000 UTCAs for redemption story. FF14 was so bad they did took the game down, apologise, remade the game with a new director who was a MMO-fan and it’s a huge success now as of the most popular MMO.
Philip Andersen
2021-09-04 06:34:53 +0000 UTCI miss getting different kinds of smaller experiences that respect my time on PS Plus, like Thomas Was Alone or Valiant Hearts. While it didn't take a genius to deduce the "leaked" lineup was fake, Haven is the kind of game I miss getting on Plus. Hitman 2 is dirt cheap to buy used, whereas a lot of games have no physical version or are rarely on sale. And this month Games With Gold gets Mulaka. Sigh. In addition, this marks the first time the PS5 Plus game isn't new. Whether it was a new game debut or a PS5 version, up till now the PS5 Plus games have been debuts. Lastly, while I think enough people will preorder Kena so it doesn't need no stinking PS Plus boost, can I really say the same about JETT: The Far Shore? Is it indie developers arguing Sony doesn't pay enough, or is Sony "rationalizing" that "Our gamers want Overcooked cause we have numbers of high play count", and thus giving away Stray would be meaningless because "it won't be as frequently downloaded as Black Ops IIII"?
NickBLeaveIt
2021-09-04 06:26:01 +0000 UTCI play online on PS5 without playing for PSPlus because the games i used to require pay online is somehow in the free section even tho the games isn’t free, like COD and FF14. I can pay for ps plus a month every year or so. It’s never been a must have for me.
Philip Andersen
2021-09-04 06:18:28 +0000 UTCThe issue with the saints row reboot is we don’t know what we are going to get. Saints row leaned into the Shlock of being a campy over the top trip. They had weapons like the dubstep gun and Keith David as the Vice President in later games. The only concern I have is will the humor not be there and the dialogue will just be preachy bad modern humor. The plot sounds funny but will it be as funny as it could have been in 2011 remains to be seen. I’m open minded on it cause I haven’t played it yet.
Adamthm
2021-09-04 04:33:12 +0000 UTCRyan said recently he was just kidding.
Piston Pants
2021-09-04 04:19:31 +0000 UTCWorth mentioning that Square has a Dragon Quest theme park and from what I've seen online, it looks pretty sick
Alan Hardee
2021-09-04 00:06:17 +0000 UTCGreat episode, however I really think you guys missed an important talking point about the Horizon news, which is that Jim Ryan said last year about the game, “…we have an upgrade path for PS4 users to get the PS5 versions for free.” https://twitter.com/andyplaytonic/status/1433494558462124035?s=21
Caleb Greer
2021-09-03 22:28:36 +0000 UTCLmaooooo at Dustin at the end
Cole Barker
2021-09-03 22:20:14 +0000 UTCPaying full price for an upgrade is insulting. Not having 1 of the 2 collectors edition come with a physical copy of the game is pure fuckery. Plus the digital code most likely has the dlc so you can't just buy the physical copy and sell the digital version. I don't consider a bunch of digital items a collector's desire. I want physical items I can show case and if they are valuable in the future have the ability to sell Why even include a steel book with no game lmao. This reeks of the same crap that mass effect legendary edition cache that had a helmet, steel case and no game
Wayde
2021-09-03 20:36:02 +0000 UTCThe good thing about the horizon update scenario will be you’ll have to pay full price for the easy platinum from PS4 to ps5.
Hose A Contra Razz
2021-09-03 20:00:17 +0000 UTCThe problem with Saints Row is that old fans wanted to go back to Saints 1 and 2 which was a mixture of chappelle show humor with expanded gang elements of San Andreas. This new Saints Row is going to deliver on that but the characters in the trailer came off as super cringy. However, youtubers have seen 13 minutes of gameplay and are upset at volition for not letting the public see the gameplay like they have. The marketing team here fumbled, and they’ve been making up for it by answering questions on Twitter and letting everyone know that it is a gangster game still but that it’s an origin story and that the characters will change throughout the game
Kenneth Oms
2021-09-03 19:51:43 +0000 UTCI agree with Dustin. Let me start by saying I’m a huge Death Stranding fan but I’m finished with that world. I just don’t see how you can build off of what I feel was complete/?concise? and sent off with a pretty bow on its head. It seems far too manufactured and forced to even suggest a sequel. Give me more Kojima but please no more Death Stranding
Denver Walker
2021-09-03 18:08:28 +0000 UTCI know Colin doesn't appreciate being told he's got to play certain games, so I will frame my thoughts differently. I am eagerly anticipating Colin's thoughts on Hades if he ever gets around to giving it a shot (also can't wait for his thoughts on Tales of Arise, which should be coming soon).
Mike Po
2021-09-03 17:49:49 +0000 UTCHas LSM increased its podcast output to crowd out the competition?
Jake Z
2021-09-03 17:38:12 +0000 UTCUpgrades were a thing before Smart Delivery, the term is just a marketing term to describe the experience PC users have already.
Stephen Forgione
2021-09-03 17:37:32 +0000 UTCI find the whole Horizon upgrade path intriguing. I totally agree that it's a bizzare move, and absolutely the wrong move from Sony given the strides Microsoft has made with the Xbox ecosystem. I have to think though that this is absolutely an optics thing, and if Microsoft's strategy with Smart Delivery wasn't around to make comparisons with, then the vast majority of people wouldn't even bat an eyelid at Sony's strategy (or lack thereof). In any event, we live in a world where Smart Delivery is the new standard when it comes to cross-gen upgrades, so that's the standard Sony should be held to, and in that regard they are absolutely failing. As Colin points out, what makes this whole circus so bizzare is that it's coming from Sony, who absolutely have enough of a cushion and dominance in the market, that fucking over their customer base should be something they are actively trying to avoid. It's actually a pity that Xbox failed to compete with Sony last gen, as it's becoming crystal clear that Sony is now sitting in a spot where they are so complacent, doing right by the customer no longer seems a priority.
Shane Boyle
2021-09-03 17:05:25 +0000 UTCI think we’re gonna get a teaser for Spider-Man 2.
Shawn Kelvey Jr
2021-09-03 16:30:04 +0000 UTCAll you crazy kids have fun this weekend! I'll be there in spirit!
Collin Sparling
2021-09-03 16:19:06 +0000 UTCPerfect episode to listen to as I drive to butler Pennsylvania for the live show!!
Timothy Bryant
2021-09-03 16:03:20 +0000 UTCYesssss
Nathan Favreau
2021-09-03 16:02:33 +0000 UTC
