Sacred Symbols+, Episode 381 | Ken Levine on Judas, Game Dev, and AI
Added 2024-05-11 16:01:01 +0000 UTCPlease welcome legendary games writer, designer, and director Ken Levine to our show. Today, Ken joins me (Colin) almost a year after our last conversation on Sacred+, and now that his upcoming title Judas has been more thoroughly shown-off to the world following its announcement back in '22, he's able to chat more openly. Obviously, we focus quite a bit on Judas itself, and all that surrounds it -- "narrative LEGO" and generation ships and the like -- but we also get into a variety of other topics: The modern games industry, the potential of AI, the price and length of games, the cost of outspokenness, and more. Do enjoy.
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Being a month behind SUCKS. Cant wait to hear this convo!
Animated
2024-06-13 18:19:42 +0000 UTCI really enjoyed this interview! Colin and Ken got into some very interesting conversations. I especially liked how Colin brought up his arguments regarding AI and game length. After hearing him make these arguments in past podcasts, it was interesting to hear him bring it up to an actual game developer, and a highly esteemed one at that.
Lucas Hixon
2024-05-15 19:10:19 +0000 UTCThis is awesome.
Zachary T Eldridge
2024-05-15 16:19:49 +0000 UTCWow, I genuinely scrolled down the comments at this very moment.
Aidan Cunningham
2024-05-14 15:20:00 +0000 UTCGreat interview. Thanks.
Dave Barr
2024-05-14 07:56:10 +0000 UTCGreat conversation but good lord on the rebirth talk. Ken nailed it, " if it's fun you are willing to play more".... paraphrasing... You are losing interest so mainline it. I wanted more and more so I did everything cuz it kept being fun for me.
Danfromumbrella
2024-05-13 23:16:30 +0000 UTCGreat conversation! On the AI ‘art’ point, my view is that art is human creative expression, so anything an AI produces isn’t art by definition. Some animals and plants produce beautiful images or objects, but it’s never art.
Rich Price
2024-05-13 19:07:09 +0000 UTCColin, I would have loved to heard you discuss the thoughts you shared on FF7 about how a player can know what's vital content and what's not. Ken seems to want the audience to see all this hand crafted stuff, so I'd be interested in his take on this industry trend. If you did that, you'd probably run out of time for AI though. Oh well. There's always trade-offs. Maybe next time.
Tyler Kottmyer
2024-05-13 18:52:45 +0000 UTCBanger of an interview
James McGivern
2024-05-13 16:54:59 +0000 UTCAgreed! The greatest content out there.
TB Lightning
2024-05-13 16:13:19 +0000 UTCInterviews like this make this the best Patreon sub in games media. These are 2 really smart dudes here. Ken being a fellow Jersey boy makes sense, we're pretty cool.
James Pies
2024-05-13 07:35:51 +0000 UTCHe’s totally lying about the lack of a connection to Bioshock. Totally!! The way he pontificates to defend how much it’s not related…
SnipaMasta
2024-05-13 04:34:39 +0000 UTCGreat episode! Ken’s games always have that unique special feel to them. Looking forward to playing Judas.
Eric S
2024-05-12 15:42:21 +0000 UTCGonna be waiting for some sort of spaceship lighthouse reveal.
NeO JD
2024-05-12 13:56:41 +0000 UTCDon’t know how I never made the connection of BioShock to New York City before. That was an interesting tidbit.
NeO JD
2024-05-12 13:48:36 +0000 UTCThinking bout JUDAS
Remington Wilson
2024-05-12 12:25:00 +0000 UTCYou’re welcome :)
Conor Wilson
2024-05-12 11:52:22 +0000 UTCGreat conversation, stoked to play Judas
JR
2024-05-12 02:30:40 +0000 UTCColin: “I’m always so excited and it happens all the time when I discover something. Why didn’t I ever watch this or why did I never see this or how did I not know about this?” Would you kindly (go play Prey from Arkane)?
CUMSoftware
2024-05-12 00:52:57 +0000 UTCYo Mr.White this is my favorite sacred symbols plus yet!
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2024-05-11 23:42:52 +0000 UTCI don't think I'll be convinced Judas isn't related to Bioshock in some form until I beat the game. Kudos, Colin, for a great chat!
Meatball
2024-05-11 22:05:25 +0000 UTCThis was a great one. Very good energy. Best part was Ken mentioning that he plays rocksmith as someone with over 2000 hours in the game.
Eric the human
2024-05-11 21:20:24 +0000 UTCI'm curious too
Jordan Dedo
2024-05-11 21:00:51 +0000 UTCNo edits then?
Kasual7
2024-05-11 19:57:58 +0000 UTCTwo legends in the video game business. This alone is worth the membership.
Michael
2024-05-11 19:52:14 +0000 UTCA cerebrally stimulating conversation between two intellectual giants. This is one of many reasons I subscribe at the $10 tier and why this is the best podcast period.
Rio_Yeti_
2024-05-11 18:58:40 +0000 UTCLove the analytics talk! I’m a data analyst and nerd out on this shit. So glad we got another one of these convos. So good!
Drew Lee
2024-05-11 17:47:41 +0000 UTCTwo GOATS walk into a bar…
Will Ellis
2024-05-11 17:02:14 +0000 UTCNerd.
Jason
2024-05-11 16:47:39 +0000 UTC🫨🫨🫨 Kindly, LFG!
NecrumOddBoy
2024-05-11 16:09:20 +0000 UTCIn the words of Count Dooku: "I've been looking forward to this."
Christopher Gourley
2024-05-11 16:06:39 +0000 UTCYES!!!!!!
Ro_Shambo
2024-05-11 16:05:37 +0000 UTCWow I can’t believe Ken spoils that you fight ghost form Elizabeth at the end 😳😳
Conor Wilson
2024-05-11 16:02:47 +0000 UTC
