Sacred Symbols+, #401 | Is Black Myth: Wukong like God of War or Souls? feat. David Jaffe
Added 2024-08-24 16:00:11 +0000 UTC"Black Myth: Wukong" is the world's video game of the moment, with 10 million sold in just a few days beating even "Elden Ring." Is this game worth the hype? What's new and great and not so great about the game design and setting? And there's lots of debate about whether it's a "Souls-like" or similar to "God of War." So Gene Park is hosting this special episode of Sacred Symbols Plus and asked the creator of God of War for his thoughts on the design philosophy of "Wukong," and breaking down this game's design.
Note: We are aware of the audio issues. Unfortunately they were not discovered until after recording was complete. While we did as much work on it as we could, we know it's not up to our usual standards. We hope you still enjoy the episode!
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Love you jaffe
Tyler Lindbeck
2024-09-23 18:47:13 +0000 UTCJesus audio wtf lol
Tyler Lindbeck
2024-09-23 18:47:01 +0000 UTCI love Jaffe all I want is his audio fixed… Colin please save him!!
My Classical Slut!
2024-09-07 23:33:19 +0000 UTCReally wanted to hear more about this game, but bad audio and toxic politics randomly shoehorned in right at the start? For those reasons, Im out. *Cue shark tank music*
Chuck Rude
2024-09-05 15:39:31 +0000 UTCJaffe is devolving into the next Adam Sessler.
Douglas Morreale
2024-09-03 09:54:30 +0000 UTCToo bad Colin does have the intestinal fortitude to confront Jaffe about this directly.
Douglas Morreale
2024-09-03 09:52:44 +0000 UTChe's just calling back to a comment he made on one of the political constellations on when he asked collin why trumpers/magas are predominantly a-holes. and it's a question worth exploring because more often than not it's the trumpers/magas who go on some unhinged racially charged diatribe on twitter and facebook. why are these people jerks? why can't they form a cogent argument without resorting to insults or name calling? so he was just re-iterating that in a passing comment here.
Keith Huntington
2024-09-03 08:19:21 +0000 UTCI like how they're proving Jaffes' point right.
Spanky
2024-08-31 15:22:29 +0000 UTCJesus hahaha
Dan Morgan
2024-08-30 20:59:53 +0000 UTCDoubling down on insulting and generalizing a large subset of the audience, interesting tactic.
Fox
2024-08-30 18:50:34 +0000 UTCYou have to be joking lol
Scott LaFontaine
2024-08-30 17:09:44 +0000 UTCQuality of discussion was lacking this episode. Unfocused to a fault
Alec Davis
2024-08-30 15:44:33 +0000 UTCI’m normally not a stickler for this kind of thing, but Jesus Christ Jaffe’s audio quality is unbearable. Shame because I’m sure it’s a hilarious, fun episode.
SnipaMasta
2024-08-30 12:48:41 +0000 UTCDave and Gene are my favorite buddy cop duo
Bailey Callis
2024-08-29 04:36:04 +0000 UTCYou are correct.
Alex
2024-08-29 01:15:37 +0000 UTCEvery time Jaffe speaks on politics it reminds me of the Bubble Boy from Seinfeld. Jaffe is so far gone that he cannot see it even if it smacked him in the face. He doesn't hate republicans, but he hates MAGA? Maybe that's because standard run of the mill republicans and his democratic party are essentially the same uniparty. Send more money to foreign countries and bomb the whole world while middle and working class Americans struggle with increasing inflation and the side effects of cultural decline. Jaffe is so well off he cannot see that reality. He really truly thinks that he is morally superior to anyone who lives outside of Washington orthodoxy. I understand the man is funny and probably awesome to hang out with, but damn, his NPC like behavior to whatever the Party and CNN says is so obvious that anyone who escaped the bubble can see it a mile away. MAGA won't fix our problems either for what its worth.
Alex
2024-08-29 01:13:41 +0000 UTCCan't wait for less war under Republicans /s
Gooch Gobbler
2024-08-28 20:49:26 +0000 UTCMy best friend is a conservative Marine. You absolutely don't have to acquiesce to everything a liberal person says to still be friends with them. We have had some pretty heated arguments and don't agree on a lot of things. This schoolyard "but they were mean first!" shit isn't the great argument you think it is
Gooch Gobbler
2024-08-28 20:47:34 +0000 UTCJaffe is a piece of shit. I’m glad he brought toxicity to this community, I’m done biting my tongue. If he has the green light to call conservatives and Christian’s (neither of which I am) names then I have the green light to do the same to subhumans like him.
Brandon V
2024-08-28 17:00:52 +0000 UTCOh, this is my fave duo. God I love Jaffe and Gene
Simon
2024-08-28 03:39:06 +0000 UTCYeah, Jaffe has his issues, but that makes him relatable because we are all fucked up aren't we? I think the language you've used here makes you sound more like the kind of person you are trying to make Jaffe out to be. Look in the mirror, dude.
Nick Gagas
2024-08-27 21:02:27 +0000 UTCI was on the fence about buying BM: Wukong, but the more I heard about it the more it sounded like a game for me. Jaffe, if you see this thanks, man. This podcast encouraged me to pull the trigger and I fucking love the game. For an older guy like me it hearkens back to the days when I just picked up my controller and beat the living shit out of some baddies for a 1-2 hour session. It's a refreshing break from the sprawling open-world settings in most games these days. And it's gorgeous to boot.
Nick Gagas
2024-08-27 20:46:47 +0000 UTCAre you gonna cry
Whitewinwolf
2024-08-27 16:25:12 +0000 UTCIf you don’t see the extreme difference in levels of rhetoric between the 2 you’re delusional. You can’t point me to one example on any other podcast here that approaches the level of disdain, divisiveness and just toxicity that the left spews routinely.
The Rose Experience
2024-08-27 13:49:06 +0000 UTCLook, another disingenuous leftist pretending people are losing their minds. They love to gaslight, don’t they folks!?! Jaffe is a toxic, hateful asshole who has poisoned the dialogue here, which is fine, just don’t get all butthurt when his energy is matched. He is an asshole. Hateful, bitter, miserable asshole whose entire brand is fake, safe edginess.
Brandon V
2024-08-27 13:31:54 +0000 UTCWell you wanna control people's bodies and take away my family members rights. So...assholes sounds about right. Gonna have to agree with Jaffe on this one sorry.
Morgan
2024-08-27 07:41:46 +0000 UTC@Saleem Nobody cares that left wing people are on the show. Chris, Gene, the Dukes...Jaffee is just disgusting with how he talks about the right, and his ADHD brain can't stop himself from slinging mud (much of which is untrue, at that).
ajwhite
2024-08-27 07:39:57 +0000 UTC“You’re all assholes” isn’t a talking point, bud. This isn’t Twitter. I’m sure many of the crew, including Dagan, Dustin, and particularly Chris, have strong convictions and would enjoy politically lashing out against people from time to time, but they regulate their emotions and prioritize the needs and well-being of LSM. Please keep up with what I’m actually saying, or feel free to move along to a comment that’s more your speed.
Jimmy G
2024-08-27 07:07:10 +0000 UTCSo when conservative talking points are brought up it’s fine, I thought this was a place for free speech! You are just as bad as the people who try to take down Colin for his comments and views. Grow up!
Saleem Krichi
2024-08-27 03:31:35 +0000 UTCLove the episode as always, I tip Jaffe’s audio was not the best not sure why, get a better mic dawg ur a podcaster lol. Love seeing the tilted comments about Jaffe’s politics🤣 I love that LSM can be a place where all thoughts coexist. I’ve disagreed with everyone at some point but it’s funny seeing the “free speech” group lose their minds.✊🏽
Saleem Krichi
2024-08-27 03:29:45 +0000 UTCKind of disappointing to see the direction LSM is taking here. Jaffe’s abusive edgelord antics are eroding years of goodwill Colin and the team have built with the LSM brand. Jaffe hates MAGA and calls them assholes on air. Cool. Great. What in the FUCK does that have to do with the monkey game and how it contrasts against God of War??? This is like a Kotaku fever dream. A tiny number of politically-aligned people here will love it, but LSM used to be a meaningful refuge from this bullshit. Colin seems very averse to conflict when it comes to workplace issues, so if Jaffe gives even the tiniest amount of fucks about the space he’s been invited into he’ll police his own behavior a bit more. He’s not the one who suffers if the reputation of LSM erodes.
Jimmy G
2024-08-26 21:28:57 +0000 UTCWe don’t need an unhinged leftist coward telling us what is and isn’t Republican. If anything we should be the exact opposite of whatever a raging psychopath like you would consider respectable
Brandon V
2024-08-26 20:15:12 +0000 UTCColin submits to Jaffe in all political conversations because that’s the only way a conservative can maintain a friendship with a leftist. If Colin actually defended his positions and the positions of the right with passion equal to Jaffes, Jaffe would have a hissy fit
Brandon V
2024-08-26 20:11:47 +0000 UTCI was taught the adage “when you can’t say something nice…” so since I like both of these gentleman the tongue I shall bite. But Ya, this wasn’t a good episode in any facet. At least it was better than the Cliffy B bombfest!
The Rose Experience
2024-08-26 19:48:45 +0000 UTCWhat you call culture everyone else calls reality
The Rose Experience
2024-08-26 19:43:10 +0000 UTCI would listen to these two no matter the audio quality, great stuff.
Queef Wellington
2024-08-26 19:25:19 +0000 UTCWe need these two back Love Jaffy and Gene so chaotic! Next time with better audio though
Aiden Gonzalez
2024-08-26 19:18:16 +0000 UTCAbsolutely love you two together
SIR_K_Daddy
2024-08-26 18:36:12 +0000 UTCThat’s the exact type of rhetoric my original comment was criticizing which is ironic lol
GameSimp
2024-08-26 16:39:35 +0000 UTCNot getting political
Brandon V
2024-08-26 16:00:08 +0000 UTCU good mate?
Breno Bezerra Bluhm
2024-08-26 14:41:24 +0000 UTCHey guys not going to get political. Democrats are sub humans who support the rape and murder of US citizens. Not getting political guys.
Brandon V
2024-08-26 14:33:52 +0000 UTCDemocrats are sub human
Brandon V
2024-08-26 14:31:55 +0000 UTCSaid the democrat
Brandon V
2024-08-26 14:30:53 +0000 UTCThis episode truly felt like inmates running the asylum. And i mean that in the best and most affectionate way possible!
Dana Anderson
2024-08-26 14:30:40 +0000 UTCDemocrats are the most hateful, unkind people to ever walk the earth.
Brandon V
2024-08-26 14:30:25 +0000 UTCAlthough I appreciate Jaffe’s input, I was a little confused why the conversation was centered around the *original* God of War comparison, people are clearly comparing this game to *2018* style God of War which is pretty different in my opinion, and there is a ton of 2018 God of War influence in this game for sure
John
2024-08-26 14:13:32 +0000 UTCThis is either rage bait for engagement, a troll, or you might be the dumbest person in a 1000 mile radius. Which is it?
Nick Vieu
2024-08-26 11:48:38 +0000 UTCThe goal is to have better conversations and focus on what connects us, not alienate each other. A perfect example is Colin and Jaffe’s friendship — the politics don’t matter there and they shouldn’t. I just wish people wouldn’t alienate each other in such broad strokes (for example, I highly doubt that you think Colin is an asshole if you’re on this Patreon). Indeed, we could call each other much worse but we shouldn’t.
GameSimp
2024-08-26 11:07:56 +0000 UTCLol, that's why GOP plays culture with trans, gay and migrants, etc while trying to over throw the government on Jan 6th. I hate the democrats as well but I don't know what reality you live in? Trump is also one my the most toxic presidents in American history stoking division at every turn. Stop living a partisan bubble, both parties have major issues
Eric J
2024-08-26 10:59:52 +0000 UTCYou could call the cult of personality party much worse
Eric J
2024-08-26 10:57:49 +0000 UTCI opposed the war from bush Jr. Loudly. But the Republican Party of the bushes was still Republican. What it is now is not that- but fuck it, if you dig it great.
David Jaffe
2024-08-26 07:47:28 +0000 UTCNot to mention they are all complete and utter warmongers. The whitewashing of the Bush's and McCain is hilarious. Dems simp for them simply because they opposed Trump. Not hating George W Bush for lying us into two catastrophic decades long wars is truly astounding.
Lord Zedd
2024-08-26 04:26:56 +0000 UTCI love Jaffe but I know he’s capable of better discourse than calling an entire political party “a bunch of assholes.” It just sounds like rhetoric akin to Alex Jones or someone of that ilk, and he’s better than that.
GameSimp
2024-08-26 00:06:33 +0000 UTC“We’re not going to be political…” fucking liars lol
Nate McGrath
2024-08-26 00:02:52 +0000 UTClmaoooooo
Gene Park
2024-08-25 23:56:48 +0000 UTCEveryone you mentioned you were calling Nazis 15+ years ago, you clown. In 15 years you’ll be telling us how the new Republican nominee is a Nazi out to kill everyone while lauding the days of Trumps Republican Party. You are an embarrassment
Brandon V
2024-08-25 21:13:32 +0000 UTCHe’s a very hate filled, bitter person. He has deluded himself into thinking he’s kind, which is honestly hilarious
Brandon V
2024-08-25 21:09:04 +0000 UTCDon’t forget the cringe pandering to the black people by the Harris campaign. Its honestly fucking wild to watch in real time
Adam Barnes
2024-08-25 20:11:00 +0000 UTCGreat episode
Omar Rosa
2024-08-25 19:52:49 +0000 UTCJust get Jaffe’s sound fixed that is all. 👌🏼
Gray Gordon
2024-08-25 19:48:14 +0000 UTCGene x Jaffe should be a whole new LSM series lmfao so chaotic
Lemon Pepper
2024-08-25 17:47:44 +0000 UTCGene x Jaffe moving mountains
Nick La Creta
2024-08-25 17:26:15 +0000 UTCThe God of War development talk at the end of this episode was awesome. Jaffe's premise for God of War 3 reads like a mainline Shin Megami Tensei plot.
Cameron
2024-08-25 17:19:51 +0000 UTCLove at the end, “This is the best LSM content ever and you know it” from Gene. Episode gets published with disclaimer: “this is not up to LSM standards.” I love the irony so much but I truly did love this episode and these two talking games is so fun
Tom Gentry
2024-08-25 15:35:24 +0000 UTCGene and Jaffe unleashed. Love it. Interesting hearing about where Jaffe wanted to take God of War.
NeO JD
2024-08-25 15:00:12 +0000 UTCI can't listen to Jaffe. This guy calls us assholes. We'll I just had several family and friends lose jobs. People can't pay bills and those asshole is like I hate Republicans. If you really care besides sitting behind a computer and Being, Mother Teresa. People can't afford anything, losing jobs , 2 wars but hey they are nice and don't say mean things. This is the problem with the usa. Vibes are better then actually policy. This people that stream live in a fake world and not the real middle class who is suffering. Democrats, the party of moral high ground I forgot.
Jscott
2024-08-25 14:36:28 +0000 UTCDemocrats are the most hateful and unkind people to ever exist
Brandon V
2024-08-25 08:46:35 +0000 UTCHaha this episode is fucking awesome
Judah Bailey
2024-08-25 07:23:29 +0000 UTCYou have to link Discord with your Patron under account settings
Davin Ward
2024-08-25 07:04:36 +0000 UTCThis could have been better, i hope Black myth Wukong gets another dedicated vid where it gets more focused on and is broken apart more. For technically being a video titled like its the focus i feel like it was only really talked about for maybe 30-45ish minutes out of the entire runtime? Idk.
Eviltwin01
2024-08-25 06:52:02 +0000 UTCLove em both, but they need that third wheel/moderator.
Dante B
2024-08-25 06:03:28 +0000 UTCI like how this is ostensibly the worst product LSM has ever produced never change!!!
Special Needs Cannon
2024-08-25 05:57:22 +0000 UTCGreat episode. I love Jaffe. I’d listen to him review toilet paper.
Kenneth Koepnick
2024-08-25 03:51:02 +0000 UTCI mean it’s fine I’m sure Wukong will show up on summon sign so Brad has it covered.
Special Needs Cannon
2024-08-25 03:11:07 +0000 UTCThis is unlistenable. Can we get a replacement episode of some sort? Was hoping to listen to this while I worked on the car today 🤷♂️
Adam Barnes
2024-08-25 01:36:04 +0000 UTCThere are 2 Republican parties in my head. The Republican party of McCain, Romney, even the 2 Bushes. Heck, I was seriously considering throwing Kasich(Kasick?) a vote at one point. I would rarely vote for them but I don't hate them or think they are assholes; just people with VERY different takes on law than I have. Then there is MAGA (the party I was talking about). And yes, if you vote for MAGA at THIS point? There's a 95% chance you are a fucking asshole. And hell, that's not even true- a lot of it depends on what information you are using to vote. If you think 2025 is a meaningful document that Trump- knowingly or not- will enact, then you are an asshole. If you think it's all horseshit from the left and a smoke screen and you have no fear of Trump (or his appointed judges) supporting anything like that, then you are not an asshole. Man, it used to be so much easier to tell who the assholes were. Thanks for nothing, Phil Spencer.
David Jaffe
2024-08-25 00:42:35 +0000 UTCDisappointed no Brad, both hadn’t finished the game and mic audio was messed up. Also a strange topic to cover and paywall. If you want to capitilize on the zeitgeist a bit then making topical content free is the way to go imo anyways.
WhatDarrenPlays
2024-08-24 23:26:01 +0000 UTCJaffes mic audio is messed up
Cruz Ibarra
2024-08-24 22:41:09 +0000 UTCHow do I get into the LSM Discord? I currently am subscribed to the tier that allows me acces to the discord but I have no clue how to access it
Cruz Ibarra
2024-08-24 22:40:27 +0000 UTCI think Jaffes mic suits him like this tbh.
Caleb Peacock
2024-08-24 21:52:12 +0000 UTCFun show. I’m definitely interested in Wukong, but I’m kinda at the point that I don’t know if I’ll ever get to a lot of games. Such is life, ya can’t experience every last thing.
Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE
2024-08-24 21:37:51 +0000 UTCI was excited when i saw the lineup but Jaffe’s mic has some issue and it makes it tough to listen to. Also not sure the rush to cover the game when they’re both on like chapters 1 and 2
Griffin Karr
2024-08-24 21:25:55 +0000 UTCWow, Yie Ar Kung-Fu mentioned. Wasn't expecting that reference, but I can definitely see where Jaffe is coming from with the comparison.
Cameron
2024-08-24 20:43:07 +0000 UTCI see jaffe, I see gene... i listen
Perfect platypus
2024-08-24 20:11:34 +0000 UTCThanks for calling my party a bunch of "fucking assholes", Jaffe. Very cool.
Shadi Haddad
2024-08-24 20:07:53 +0000 UTCJaffe I am 26 I love the Indy trilogy with my whole being, we exist!
Noah Friscopp
2024-08-24 19:26:30 +0000 UTCGood God the sound quality is fucked. And it’s on both ends so I’m guessing it’s not their mics but something in the software they use. Edit: never mind Jaffe’s mic is way worse
Bogey
2024-08-24 19:22:17 +0000 UTCJaffe comin’ in hot with the Leftist Audio™️.
Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE
2024-08-24 19:15:06 +0000 UTCThe problem with the Screen Rant review is that it was written by a woman. Broads are silly, not to be taken seriously. Happy with Black Myth: Wukongs success, but Stellar Blade is a much better game. Excellent show, thank you gentlemen.
Rufián
2024-08-24 19:13:47 +0000 UTCBeing from the mitten and hearing this about Whitmore is super weird lol
Zack
2024-08-24 18:49:57 +0000 UTCOff the wheels immediately. Love it
Jeffery Carlson
2024-08-24 18:29:38 +0000 UTClol this is just the shit show I was looking for 😂😂
Halph Pint
2024-08-24 18:25:38 +0000 UTCI’ll take gene & jaffe with a fucked up mic any day
Lizurd
2024-08-24 18:24:07 +0000 UTCGreatest opening. Already loving it 6 min in
Shortsoptional
2024-08-24 18:23:29 +0000 UTC5 minutes in. Pure chaos.
Joe Cross
2024-08-24 17:34:05 +0000 UTCI love Jaffe but how is his audio literally always fucked up in some way.
George
2024-08-24 16:45:04 +0000 UTCoh just read the description
Eric the human
2024-08-24 16:44:42 +0000 UTCWhat's up with Jaffe's mic? Too much gain?
Eric the human
2024-08-24 16:43:40 +0000 UTC#letgenehost
Conor Wilson
2024-08-24 16:02:01 +0000 UTC
