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Sacred Symbols, Episode 327 | Electric Eyes Are Everywhere

Last week, many tried -- and most failed -- to get their hands on the extremely limited PlayStation 5 Pro 30th Anniversary Edition, of which only 12,000-ish units were made. But the crush on PlayStation Direct for regular Pro units and other 30th anniversary accoutrements all at the same time led to a lot of disappointment. What did each of us come out of the scuffle with, and how do we think Sony can better manage special events like this, where loyalty and engagement should matter a whole lot more than random queue placement. Plus: PSN goes down for a surprising amount of time, HBO's second season of The Last of Us gets a trailer, something seems up between Sony and Square Enix, Dragon Quest's creator isn't too happy about censorship, and more. Then: Listener inquiries. With some distance now established, what are our overarching thoughts on the PlayStation Portable? Where is Capcom's Pragmata hiding, and will it ever come out? Are in-game Photo Modes actually popular? Can we contain our laughter at watching someone playing Heavy Rain without doing any of the QTEs?

Timestamps:
0:00:00 - Introduction

0:13:54 - Bill Clinton

0:23:46 - Bless you

0:32:36 - 5 minute timer

0:39:39 - Five Guys value

0:54:37 - Shrek

1:02:12 - Finding friends in Hell

1:03:45 - PSN Outage

1:11:08 - Radec tweets are still peak

1:15:53 - Ebay scalpers are getting listings removed

1:37:13 - PS5 Pro Preorders

1:52:46 - The Last of Us Season 2 trailer

1:58:47 - Horizon Price increase

2:04:24 - No Square Enix in Astro Bot

2:13:35 - Dragon Quest 3 remake changes

2:28:47 - Kojima speaks

2:33:24 - Remedy needs money

2:35:57 - Yoshida wants a FF3 remake

2:40:00 - El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron remaster

2:42:29 - What We Are Playing

3:09:49 - PSP Reflections

3:23:37 - Where is Pragmata?

3:27:21 - New California Digital Laws

3:32:38 - Over the Shoulder 3rd Person Games

3:38:00 - Game Modes We Don't Understand

3:44:40 - Bluepoint's Cryptic Tweet

Sacred Symbols, Episode 327 | Electric Eyes Are Everywhere
Sacred Symbols, Episode 327 | Electric Eyes Are Everywhere Sacred Symbols, Episode 327 | Electric Eyes Are Everywhere

Comments

When Collin thought you have to sync trophies on PS4 and PS5, first thing I thought was "Bless your heart". Just wow man, that a decade of blissful ignorance. He thought he had all this power, and just got robbed of all of it.

Lawson72

You gotta do what you gotta do đŸ€Ł

Bailey Callis

See: Concord, Bungie acquisition, analysis on Insomniac leak, him speaking on their whole live service initiative, the cancellation of TLOU Online. Just off the top of my head.

Jared R

I wonder how it feels watching a movie for the first time that starts with ''Smash Mouth - All Star''. After the song has been memed into the ground ten times over.

Dennis

BRING BACK KNOCKBACK

Bailey Callis

She sounds hot

Jason

Is it possible for Playstation to just fail, or make a bad decision without Colin justifying it as secretly genius?

Bailey Callis

That long ass tone to beep out the spoiler at three hours and eight minutes had me dying

NecrumOddBoy

Dude Chris would not describe Shane Gillis as right wing lol

Gooch Gobbler

So many people have done that ATP idk how Colin never saw a video of that lol

Gooch Gobbler

A spin-off TLOU game following Joel during the time when Tommy was with the Fireflies would be pretty dope, I think.

Kevin Cooper

My wife’s new hair straightener start up beeps are identical to the ps5’s angry beeps when it turns off incorrectly

Alec Davis

There is no way you guys just said scalping is ok, I refuse to believe I just heard that.

Cormac

I liked sackboy just as much as Astrobot and agree with the write in. The co-op with my fiance was really fun, and just like Astrobot, the game had us smiling the whole time. I also think the last challenge level ripsnorter is harder than the Titanfall 2 speedrun level. Astrobot challenge levels were a little too easy, especially the last one. One of the few drawbacks of that game for me

Caleb Peacock

Ugh.. don't remind me. Fuck Biden for ruining eBay.

Lawson72

You are the only one who cares you cant be a man or woman in video games. The west is a joke and sadly so is the East because you cant be either in DQ there either.

Lawson72

@Otrant western culture has been shaped and influenced by Christianity, but “western culture” and “western media” are two very different things at this point. The modern media landscape in the US has very little to do with Christianity, and is in fact a response against it in many ways. This has its roots in the 1960s countercultural movement (although you can draw its deeper roots all the way back to the Enlightenment) and has ramified through numerous media avenues, especially in the last 10-15 years. It's not like people who identify as Christians are totally unwelcome in the current media landscape or anything, but we've seen a massive shift towards distinctly un-Christian values in modern storytelling—pro abortion/LGBTQ/sexual liberation etc, while eschewing or even villainizing more traditionally Christian mores (the nuclear family, heteronormativity, pro-life stances etc). I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, but you can't deny that it IS happening, and that it DOES go against many of the teachings of traditional Christianity, at least as people tend to interpret it.

Supes

Yeah that seems odd it’s just a normal brown paper bag they were packed up normally and collective together in bundled up packages. The brown bags were normal nothing too crazy about it. It would be counter productive to throw a massive amount of freshly cut potato’s (into fries) into a bag if it wasn’t sanitary to do so. Last I worked at five guys we had a third party company (state inspection as well) would come in and check the sanitary of the store quarterly. Every time we passed everyone got bonuses across the board from crew members to shift leads and managers, so there was always a reason to keep the store in tip top shape.

William Thomas

Play around with ghost of tsushima’s photo mode Incredible

Drew

Also I LOVE that the reader called them out for their hypocrisy in terms of the third person over the shoulder thing. That idea/notion is something that was popularized by Xbox fanboys / trolls. It is pretty annoying to hear it pushed so heavily on sacred symbols every week. Especially since what the reader said is 100% true in that Dustin doesn’t really hold Nintendo accountable for this at all on his Nintendo show. He tried to say that Nintendo does it more creative ways but that’s just kinda bullshit in my opinion. If you’re gonna make fun of Sony for having too many mature players themed games then you should also make fun of Nintendo for only making family/kids themed games. But I feel like he just gives it a pass because he has a higher affection/ affinity for those games. This is a flaw in BOTH how Chris and Dustin critique games in general. Stuff that they are more invested in or bigger fans of they give a lot more passes to and express a lot more grace when discussing. But when it comes to things that they don’t like the style of the game as much (whether it’s good or bad) they are hyper critical on aspects of the game that are inconsequential or just out right try to make fun of the game/ be little it. A big example of this is a game like Elden ring and how they endlessly glaze the game no matter what

Big titty drinker

Yeah watch tv
 commercials for trans products, gays kissing, companies are all pro abortion
 yeah we really living in a Christian influenced society.. people like u are just dumb and hate religion so will blame literally anything on Christianity.

Brenden

FYI Boys, El Shaddai ascension of the metatron HD Remaster actually came out on steam Sept 1, 2021.

Guatles

I would love to be a fly on the wall, during Smash Bros. business conversations, when talking financial gain to Square (if anything đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž) for the Kingdom Heart’s roster addition. Perhaps, Sony wasn’t willing to hit Square’s price tag.

Directional Joy

So the modern left are Christians in atheist clothing? I get what Chris said but the modern day left wing censorship is absolutely not Christianity based.

Chris Evans

I listen to all of them but Shrek was the topic on this podcast

Card Captor Corey

Square Enix has for some reason gone hostile against Playstation when they taken their multi platform charge.

Hozi

Chris said western culture has been shaped and influenced by Christianity, which is obviously true.

Melchizedek

I tend to agree that these are topics worth examining and underscoring (it’s more nefarious than Colin and the others give it credit for IMO), but “desecration” is a little much as rhetoric goes, man. These are videogames, not holy institutions. It might be symptomatic of a broader issue, but ya still gotta maintain some perspective.

Supes

Chris thinks Christian’s are running the game industry and censoring women? Lmaooo give me a break

Brenden

My ears were just murdered at the 3:07 hour mark 😭

Michael Mashpotato

I think it’s just as disingenuous to call every Nintendo game the same just bc they’ve been using the same IP for decades, as if Zelda 1, Wind Waker, & BOTW are all the same games. I think it’s even more impressive that they’ve been able to reinvent these IPs so cleverly and still keep such high quality + high sales. “Mario again?” is such a surface level take that ignores the great level design & mechanics that Nintendo creates, even after all these years.

Adam Martinez

Chris can relate

Brandon V

Dipshit Andrew Taint with the 2014 observations

Brandon V

You can always count on Chris to ignore the never ending leftist attacks on games while bringing up Fox News shit from 20 years ago

Brandon V

Shake Shack is better than both

Brandon V

Five Guys is overrated garbage

Brandon V

Shocking to hear someone say Todd Howard has inherent “charisma” and “likability”. Dude is just a dweeb in a leather jacket lol

Jeece

That is the most 2005 thing I’ve ever heard. Cheers. :)

Jamie Hexum

Such an underrated game!

Del Griffith

Is Sacred Symbols the only LSM show you interact with?

Jamie Hexum

I’m not arguing that prices shouldn’t fluctuate up and down. I’m just saying that the way they went about doing it went against the norms they’ve established on the storefront, and that there’s a way of doing it that stays within those norms.

Jared R

I think PlayStation set the bundle and regular Pro preorder at the same time as an impulse buy. Get the people that I’m in the queue and I didn’t get the bundle I might as well buy the Pro since I’m here.

Jason Thompson

It’s up to customers to let Sony know whether prices are set correctly. This isn’t a utility
.

Zack E

I agree with the man who wrote in about Sackboy. I think it actually is better than AstroBot. And I really liked AstroBot.

Jacob Lesperance

I mean how much value would someone like that actually get themselves by coming onto the show. I kind of agree lol if you want me that bad, I’ll come first class. This isn’t a charity


Zack E

To counterpoint Colin’s argument that prices shouldn’t be fixed, that’s already the case. It’s just that up until recently, the MSRP has stayed fixed or steadily lowered, while things like sales allow for fluctuation up and down. HZD is the first I can think of (though I’m sure not the first) that has had its fixed retail price raised. I know it’s just a matter of optics, but I feel like if Sony just kept their first party games on the storefront as advertised at $69.99 and just constantly “discounted” they could play with the prices all they want without any pushback. By lowering and then subsequently raising the base advertised price, it’s just messing with the norms that have been set.

Jared R

The Shrek 2 dvd menu is absolutely goated. I’m 38 and have been a bit of a movie buff my whole life. I absolutely recommend the first two movies. It’s good shit.

Michael Mashpotato

I agree with Dustin on open preorders. It frustrates me how companies hardly ever do this.

Derek Alcott

12000 of the ps color way was such an awful idea it got bought up by scalpers everywhere just to be sold for 5x the price. It sucks because I’d buy it in a heartbeat but couldn’t

D-Dayjackson

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Adam Martinez

I have Green Day's "Bullet in a Bible" concert on UMD.

Melchizedek

To movieguy 34, hold onto to sell it later. That's my advice. May come a day when you really need the money, wait for then.

Angel DeJesus

Why do all of you whiney regressive types have anime children as your profile pics? Is it like a requirement to be in the crybaby club?

Suk.mexe

The 30th anniversary ps5 pro craze and the regular ps5 pro shunning is why I don’t take gamers seriously 😒. The entire internet was in a fake outrage uproar about the pro and the second they release a color way that’s gray instead of white
. y’all start CLAPPIN YALL ASS LIKE SOME GOD DAMN SEALS AT THE ZOO! Just hilarious the things that make or break a purchase for some people.

Big titty drinker

You ok?

Joshua Taylor

Col, I do my part by never acknowledging sneezes at all

NeO JD

Damn, I played though around 5 hours of Heavy Rain on Twitch a few months ago, fucking everything up on purpose because I thought it was funny. But I gave up because no-one was watching, I could have been a star 😂

Greg McDonald

Desecration of games? Jesus Christ man.

Morgan

Another week, another round of the crew downplaying the ongoing desecration and censorship of games. Last week Dragon Age, this week Dragon Quest, I wonder what it'll be next week. So exciting! Chris comparing what happens today to Fox News of old makes no sense. Glenn Beck was whinging about games on his TV show, he wasn't embedded in the industry like the alphabet soup crowd are today. All of this shit goes in one direction.

kunsam

Hmm, yeah, I’m sure it’s all too complicated for me to speculate too deeply. I assume that they put the standard prices where people will still buy it normally, and then you get the people who find the standard prices egregious (me) to spend through the app, albeit at a lower profit margin for them. I’m just under the assumption that app users are being subsidized by full price customers, and if it ever becomes too costly for them, they’ll scale the deals way back. I’ll take advantage of it for now. Also, shout out to the Subway subreddit for always having the $5.99/$6.99 footlong coupon codes posted.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

yeah, it's interesting how if you use the McD's app properly you can get deals that equate to what I would consider "normal" fast food prices, instead of paying out the ass like you would if you just ordered normally. I consider a Big Mac and a large fry for $5 to be a decent deal in 2024 and that's easy to do any day with the app. what I wonder is: what's the true incentive to get people to use these apps? I don't see any major ad spaces on there and there's no subscription fees, so I don't see how they're generating revenue from it to begin with. I understand the argument of "well, you're more likely to go to McDonald's in the first place if you have the app," but it seems like they could accomplish the same thing by just, you know, *lowering prices.* You'd get more customers in the door with just better value, you know? that said, I'm naive to the machinations of large corporations and they probably have some kind of scuzzy reason for encouraging us to use the app (i.e. "selling your personal data to other parties in exchange for revenue" or something similarly gross like that). Guess I'll continue to get burgers on the cheap in the meantime.

Supes

i tend to think In N Out is overrated by its fans and underrated by its haters—much like the fast food equivalent of Christopher Nolan movies. It is quite good for what it is, which is solid quality burgers n' fries for a decent price. I would put the burgers above Five Guys but the fries below, but for the overall $$$ value it probably edges out 5G. da real question though: where's the love for my beloved Shake Shack? (and yes I know it's "fast casual" I do not care i WILL inject their milkshakes directly into my veins I DO NOT CARE IF I GET DIABETES OKAY)

Supes

yeah, I got one for ya: I met a guy randomly at a party a while back who was a Five Guys manager, and told me I should never eat the fries that spill over into the brown paper bag itself. He basically said that the Five Guys bags were horribly nasty and unsanitary because of "where they came from" (???), and that I should only eat the burger (since it was wrapped up) and the fries that were in the fry cup itself. I don't know if I should place any actual credence in this—to be honest it kinda sounded like the guy was full of shit, and it seems like the kind of thing that would be corroborated by people getting horrible illnesses from eating Five Guys—but a second opinion is always appreciated.

Supes

Can’t wait for the gaslighting on this one. ‘Yeah no, guys, it’s totally plausible that two people can come up with the same premise. It’s WILD that you’re accusing me of plagiarising a right wing bigot’

Adam Barnes

? I'm just saying the demand doesn't seem to be that high

Wayde

Relax.

Adam Barnes

Who the fuck is Dagan?

Adam Barnes

OMG!!!

Adam Barnes

In and out is overrated garbage

Chris Evans

Blasphemy

Chris Evans

Better write in next week over Gillisgate.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

Great episode

Robbie Agnew

But with how pricy McDonalds and BK have gotten and how much better it is, Five Guys is worth it IMO.

Quinnton PNW

At the lull of night,and if the chef obliges, you can get a 7 decker burger at steak and shake

Caleb Peacock

Just looked it up. Straight plagerism lmao. We all do that though, I’m sure.

Jared R

Yes

Brandon V

But what if it’s Nolan North?

Teddy

No

Teddy

On the five guys subject, I used to manage one for a few years. The idea of all the toppings are free is more of an illusion. It falls more in line with you get what you pay for and since the burgers are priced high you’re essentially paying for every topping. If you get a Double Bacon Cheese Burger for 14 bucks or so you can get unlimited topping and side hack (you can ask for extra cheese and bacon as well as it’s included in the price). You get what you pay for so make it worth your while! If anybody would like to know more about five guys I’m sure I can answer your questions.

William Thomas

Damn, I miss the dagan and knockback.. it's been too long

JustKyle92

I wouldn’t consider Devon Sawa a gaming celebrity. Also was he ever on the show when Colin was there? I thought his appearances happened after he left

Bogey

100 percent.

Joseph smith

I would have thought Dagan would be all over it given it's animation. If the Muffster is back soon then that's gotta be a Knockback

Deemac

I'm so bummed that I couldn't even get that beautiful anniversary controller at the very least. I've had every console since PS1, spent countless thousands of hrs and dollars in the ecosystem, and been a lifelong fan. But apparently it's too special for even me lol. Congrats to all the industry insiders and scalpers.

Michael Rogers

I 100% understand Colin’s point about the “synching” trophies debacle lol. I always hit the PS button and press circle as well, even though I’m pretty sure Dustin’s point is the truth of the matter. Had a little laugh at that lol.

Cyprus Davis

A five guys single cheese burger in socal is twelve dollars, an order of fries is six thirty five.

Branden

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in on the AstroBot/Square Enix exclusion bit. While yes a licensing fee may have gotten in the way, it is much more likely that Square's general overprotectiveness of their IP was what may have been the barrier. Square generally does not want the depictions of their characters to be messed with, so making the characters in Bot form was probably what turned them off. In Playroom, the buster sword was shown in its original form, but no characters were in Bot form. Also, if you look into the how difficult Square was with Nintendo in getting their characters in Smash, this lines up with how particular and overprotective they are. That said, if it was about money, I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up making their characters in a DLC pack because they feel their characters are more valuable and should be a separate purchase that's probably overpriced. And I'm gonna buy it. This is sadly just the way they do things.

Shadi Haddad

Colin last week- ppl think ps5 pro will fail but we’ll see who’s laughing when it’s SOLD OUT! Colin this week after realizing ps5 pros are still easily available- well that could mean a number of things.

Jimmer

You don’t have to do anything with the trophies, Colin. They are updated automatically right away 😂

Josh Lucas

PSYCHED for El Shaddai. Game was bizarre as fuck.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

I would bet money on Troy.

Noah Friscopp

Five Guys shakes suck, always runny, never thick. In N Out shakes aren’t great either, but still better. Only thing Five Guys wins in is fries, and only if you eat them immediately

Brandon V

Devon Sawa?

Drew Lee

His hair rules.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

Pro console is still available Psvr2 style lack of sales incoming

Wayde

No Five guys is so much better. In and out is cheaper and good for the price but is not better. 5 guys fries and shakes smoke in and out

Wayde

Guy talking about $5,000 for a bundle on eBay. 1) thats what some are listed for doesnt mean its selling for that. 2) ebay will take 12.5% 3) ebay will send you and the irs a 1099 so youll have to pay taxes on the profit.

john spatta

Yes

Brandon V

Definitely Baker.

Tyler

No

Joseph Gedgaudas

Dragon quest creator is a literal gigachad

Scott

I immediately thought it was Troy Baker

Shadi Haddad

In the grand scheme of the show this is so insignificant but I cannot wait for Colin to play Persona 3 Reload after saying he recently purchased it. We need a spoiler cast for the game.

Chris Evans

Nvm he wasn't a gaming celebrity

Bryan Juarez

Rahul Kohli maybe?

Bryan Juarez

Any guesses on the gaming celebrity that insisted on first class? I’m gonna go with Troy Baker. And honestly I don’t blame him

Bogey

I never understood the appeal of Five Guys and their unseasoned burgers

Anthony H

Okay, so how has Shrek not been on Knockback yet? This is unacceptable from Colin and Dagan

Card Captor Corey

No burger place that uses sesame seed buns can be called sophisticated. An In N Out burger is far higher quality than a five guys burger.

Brandon V

Da Boys

Robbie Agnew

Is Ubisoft Stock about to pull a mini GameStop

Special Needs Cannon

Also, you gotta play smart with apps and deals. With BOGO for $1, I’ve gotten 2 McDoubles, 2 hot and spicy McChickens, and paired it with a free large fry for orders over $2, all for literally under $8. Of course, quality is very hit or miss, but don’t deny that you can get fat as hell on the cheap by comparison.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

Totally divorced from the value proposition, I just think Five Guys is completely OK. Very fresh, but very basic. Patties very under-seasoned, and just not a fan of the fries. I also find the sizing obnoxious. I don’t care if you get more, it’s annoying. I just don’t get the effusive praise heaped upon it. That’s all.

Alan Wake 2 - Alan WOKE

Chris should have some sort of Easter egg tribute that reference his co-hosts
. A stuffed cat on a stick that passes the camera for Gene, A Chaturbate Yeehaw for Jaffe, GI Joe figures getting rawdogged by Master Chief toys for Colin. Bill Clinton face is far too nuanced. George Clinton on the other hand
.

Teddy

I think Square has no idea how to set expectations for their releases and then gets mad when they don’t live up to unreasonable projections. They think taking a heavy multi play approach will help when it most likely won’t. I fully expect FF17 to get a major marketing push from XboX

Joshua Jones

What is the world coming to?

Tom Panzeca

Chris playing shane gillis’ George Washington joke off as his own lol

Art Vandalay

7:50 It's Troy Baker isn't it

Deathspank

It's one thing to have the pro bundle limited but the fact the controllers are limited along with no option to buy the 30th anniversary plates makes no sense to me. I feel that's something that would make Sony a substantial amount more money than the other nickel and dime strategies they've employed this gen

Seany Mac

Under 4 hours? REEEEEEEEEEEE

pudge

Being a collector, I love the limited release here and there - within reason. But when it comes to this anniversary PS5 stuff, it would have been nice for them to offer it throughout the year. The way this was rolled out, this hyped up merch drop feels more like a glorified ad than anything that general consumers are intended to have. EDIT - 1:30:00 Shout out to Dustin. Well said.

Cameron

Gonna have to listen on 0.75 speed

Matt The Outlaw đŸ€ 

A sub-4 hour Sacred Symbols podcast? Guys this simply isn't acceptable

Deemac

TGIF, getting my weekly dose of sacred đŸ€ 

Queef Wellington

Second!

Mateusz Kuklinski

The second half of my work day is covered Thank you boys!

Jesse spivey


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