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Torchwood Season 1 - Episode 12

OMG....Why do you do this to me Torchwood ?

So much happyness and so much pain...What an episode, enjoy :) 

Torchwood Season 1 - Episode 12

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Thank you. I don´t know how I managed to see those signs in Torchwood, when in Dr. Who I seem to be blind as a mole :D Oh that line from the book is so accurate. :) Interesting that you point out the meat eating to be weird and gross for future people. I had exactly that in mind while talking about the topic, but I didn´t want to open big discussions about that topic in my Youtube comment section. But I´m right there with you. That might really be something future people will look back at, feeling sick to their stomachs. Haha you´re right. The more answers we get about Jack, the more question pop up. :D Oohhhh thank you for reminding me of that very sentence. That is so true. I think back then I didn´t really pay attention to it, because I didn´t know what he really meant by that, and later I forgot about it. So thanks for reminding me. :) Awww I cried, too. So I guess we do have that in common :D Yes, I was told that RTD made that show. But I guess that goes for the British version of it? Because I have only seen the american one. I don´t know if they are really different though.

Nicologik

Two thumbs up for spotting the Bad Wolf and Saxon signs! As you mentioned, social attitudes in 1941 are hard to relate to. There's a line from a book (I haven't read it) "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." - The Go-Between. You wondered whether there was something we do now that might be seen as peculiar in the year 2122. Here's one. Perhaps more people go vegetarian. Then, people in 2021 might look back on meat-eaters and depictions on people cooking and eating meat in video fiction as weird and gross. I loved how Jack kept reassuring Tosh that he would look out for her. It seems the more we find out about (our) Captain Jack, the more questions come up. And it's the same with learning more about the Doctor. Way back in "The Doctor Dances" when we first meet Captain Jack, the Christopher Doctor said to Rose: "He's a fifty-first century guy. He's just a bit more flexible when it comes to 'dancing'." Naoko Mori ("Tosh"), in the BTS interview, said that she cried when they filmed the kiss scene. "Queer as Folk" was another RTD series.

Andrew Vignaux

Yes I remembered Jack beeing into other women, too. As soon as I ended the recording I thought about all those scenes with other women that I was so annoyed about (for example with Rose), and I got annoyed at myself for remembering after ending the afterthoughts. :D And I found out that John is gay a few days ago, when I accidentaly found a tweet of his Twitter account. I didn´t know that before :) Thank you for not spoiling what we are going to find out about Jack. I can´t wait to get into his story :) Thanks for letting me know, that I´m not the only one disliking Owen, at least in series 1. :) I was worried about Jack, too in that final scene. I remember pointing it out in my review. And now that I´m writing about it, I just had a thought about Jack´s death the next day. Maybe (this is all speculation by the way) but maybe he died, because of what had happened a day prior. Maybe a) He was thinking about Jack and the kiss and his love and that he misses him, and that led to him not paying enough attention to what was going on. Or b) He was bullied by other people after Jack left, maybe he was bullied by his own team members, and he was hurting because of the hate he got, and that distracted him, and led to his death. Like I said just something that came to my mind, but thinking about this gives me the shivers, so I thought, I´d share :)

Nicologik

Jack isn't gay. He is what we have traditionally called bisexual although now a lot of people say "pansexual" to imply either sex, any gender identity or (in Jack's case) almost any type of sentient being from almost any planet. I think this was at least implied in his Doctor Who episodes. If not the first ones, with Chris, then certainly the ones in series three. John Barrowman, the actor is gay. We do get to find out more about Jack in the next series but I won't say what. Owen drives me mad in most episodes of series one. It is a very good episode. I love the recreation of the 1940s. The prejudice against Tosh is painful but realistic as this was 1941. The year of Pearl harbour when Japan entered the War. The attitudes in the USA were more extreme as their country had been attacked and several thousand American citizens of Japanese descent were rounded up and put into internment camps. I must admit that, even though I know that the original Jack Harkness is going to die the next day, that final scene in 1941 worries me every time I see it. Attitudes to homosexuality were so extreme in those days that the men under Jack's command would almost certainly have lost respect for him as a leader. It does make for a good image though and we have to assume that history just proceeded as it was meant to.

Stephen Males


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