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Sloppacurricular - Sunday Slop Edition and Thoughts on AI

With Flux launching I decided to fuck around and generate some "realistic" versions of the Extracurricular girls before the inevitable prompt filtering happened to dissuade horny slop.

A lot of people have asked me about AI generally, since it's a hot topic in my particular trade. While I'm not as aggressively hostile towards it as a lot of my peers, I also don't really think it has much (if any) creative merit and extremely limited potential for quality, practical applications, regardless of what advocates proclaim.

First up, the lack of creative merit. Tech bros will say that "prompting" is an artistic skill in and of itself. That it takes effort and "talent". This is complete nonsense. You just type shit. Typing shit in a certain order weights things differently. That's it. You type shit, you pull the lever on the slot machine 50-100 times and you pick out the 1 or 2 results that are sort of close to what you wanted.

Second, why I feel it's not particularly useful outside of being a toy or a dopamine dispenser (one that uses eye watering amounts of electricity). The only actually worthwhile use case is just using it instead of stock images, but stock images exist already, have done for decades and do their job perfectly. Photographers who specialise in stock images are probably the creative arts professionals most at risk from AI ruining their trade and have a right to be worried and hostile. So why is it useless? Essentially, continuity. It can generate some quite impressive one off images, but struggles massively with cohesive, repeated detail across multiple images due to the fundamental way in which it operates. There are attempts to rememdy this, such as inpainting, referencing source images, algorithms that filter through hundreds of results to find closest matches etc, but they'll never be perfect, again due to the fundamental limitations of the diffusion approach. None of these technical limitations even take the sterile "soulless slop" factor into consideration.

In summary, I don't particularly like or hate generative AI and I'm not worried about it taking my job. People have sent me multiple instances of attempts to train SD models on my own work and the results are always absolute dogshit.

Thanks for reading my essay. Now my thoughts on my own "efforts" above.

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I think Teagan, Sunbeam and (especially) Erin best capture my in-brain envisioning of the characters. Erica is terrible and the rest are just ok.

As a "bonus" I ran them through Luma (I can't believe people pay for "no watermark" versions of this shit, it barely works) with uh, varied results. Again, Erin came out the best. Nathalie's face morphs into an entirely different person. Sunbeam's fingers turn into hotdogs. I omitted the results where Stephanie turns into a skateboard like some sort of cursed biological Transformer.

Sloppacurricular - Sunday Slop Edition and Thoughts on AI

Comments

People are already making sequential art with AI. The Character continuity is there. I don't know how long it takes for each page, but it's getting done somehow. Just Google "AI Generated Comic" There's also YouTube tutorials on how to do it.

Jim D

Totally agree with you Dave, AI sucks at sequential art - so bad as to be virtually unusable and even those single images that look 'good' seem somehow soulless and then if you look hard enough the AI always makes errors a human would not. One or two DC & Marvel cover artists have already been caught cheating because of this - they couldn't even be arsed to fully correct the AI output!. What really amuses me though is folk getting possesive about their 'prompts' and saying if others use them it's 'theft'. The lack of self awareness is hilarious.

The Cad

Honestly I think stuff like this is really cool, love how these turned out (except for the nerfed chest sizes). Just cool to me, without having a hard core stance either way.

Versus

Interesting, but sorry. I don't like AI in Artworks like this.

justavisitor

Please never do this again. It's cursed.

CurrentlyEatingPies

The volume is a very good point. I think it wouldn't be as bad if not for the fact that generating a single usuable image results in, at the very least, dozens of collatoral junk results.

Teh Dave

Flux is open source paired with a closed API accessed model. So it can be run locally or via a website.

Teh Dave

I'm a big detractor of generative AI art (and text) for the reasons you listed (low-effort, soulless, generic, inconsistent) plus the absolutely insufferable volume it produces which drowns the good stuff anyone might actually be looking for. Any catalogue or search which doesn't allow filtering for it has become basically unusable (looking at you deviantart), and social media feeds are just inundated with the junk. All that on top of artists having their work added to datasets without their permission and the tech sector is trying to integrate it with EVERYTHING so people will unknowingly train their models, all super annoying.

North525

I must say, I never heard of this Flux. The last time I tried to play around with AI generated images was around March 2023, but not with an online tool but on my local GPU. The open source people will be the one which are pushing the boundaries of the technology here. I mean, just a year ago, these people had the tools with controlNET and LORAs to create results. I have no idea how much better that those tools got. We can be very sure that "porn" will push the abilities here to greater heights. For artists which earn money using their art, I think they need to familiarize themselves with it. I mean not just the stuff companies are putting out, but what the real driving force are doing with it. Artists are by far not the only people where AI is a topic where you need to familiarize yourself with! I'm a programmer by trade, so it does affect me when we talk about LLMs.

Bavarian Dodo

It'll improve in terms of "looking good", although probably not much. The main problem it has, as I said, is continuity across images. That problem stems from the fundamental approach taken to generating images and can only improved upon via incredibly process intensive hacks and workarounds or by changing the entire basis.

Teh Dave

I should hope so.

Teh Dave

I personally like the hand drawn ones better

Darth Platin

to your first point, I agree that AI prompt writing is not some kind of burgeoning High Art, however, I wonder what a painter from the pre-digital era would think of today's software tools that let you replicate their visual style through filters and simulated textures and the like, forgoing the skills and knowledge required to dick with physical paint at all. perhaps the artists of old would consider your work hackery because of all the effort spared through digital assistance. to your second point, generative AI will only continue to improve. it's all but inevitable that today's limitations will become history sooner rather than later. the artists that are already being attacked by generative AI are the ultra-generic Patreon hentai artists that waste their time making 500 variations of the same picture of whoever the anime babe du jour is. going forward, the most important artistic skill to have will be uniqueness in style and composition. generative AI relies on there being a spread of similar works to use as examples; the more original your work is, the harder it will be for AI to replicate (although that difficulty will decrease over time)

teef

I didn't, it was entirely text prompts.

Teh Dave

It's a nice "what if" experiment, but hard to beat your default style.

Elijah Mohsin

Honestly, the only part of this that is surprising to me is an artist willingly running their hard work through the blatant theft and regurgitation machine.

Egor A. Palchyk

It's not what people come here for.

Teh Dave

:/ wouldve been nice.

James Martinez

Nah. This is the first and only time.

Teh Dave

I agree with you 100%. AI can be difficult to use when you don't know what to type but it can be a great creative "whiteboard" to get what you have in your head on paper. Great job! I wouldn't mind more frequent AI based stuff honestly. Seduced.AI seems to be good with saving characters and such.

James Martinez


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