Star Wars: The Force Awakens VII
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The clone army was subsequently phased out following the demise of the Republic and the creation of the Empire. In Legends, the Kaminoans started an uprising with a new clone army, which was swiftly crushed by Imperial forces led by Boba Fett. The Emperor subsequently recruited a new army as the Stormtroopers, though they were NEVER able to achieve the same success rate as the Clones, which is why they suck and miss shots all the time. In the new canon, the phasing out of clones is an ongoing topic being explored by The Clone Wars, Rebels and The Bad Batch, though elements of the original Kaminoan rebellion appear to have been retained.
Noah Weathers
2025-03-05 05:45:02 +0000 UTCThere are ALWAYS going to be Sith in one form or another. The Jedi have discovered in age after age that it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to completely root out the Dark Side, just as the Sith cannot completely eradicate the Jedi. That’s the cycle that keeps repeating throughout galactic history. Both organisms are repeatedly destroyed and reborn in a different form. Palpatine came the very closest to completely erasing the Jedi via Order 66, Anakin’s betrayal and a subsequent purge of all Jedi that lasted until a couple years before A New Hope. The closest the Sith have ever been to being eradicated was the seventh battle of Ruusan, where Darth Bane deliberately arranged the annihilation of the latest Sith organization, the Brotherhood of Darkness, in a nightmarish Force ritual. That was where Bane himself initiated the Rule of Two, creating the Master-Apprentice chain we see in the movies. The Sith adapted, and threw down the Jedi, the Jedi returned the favor when Anakin was redeemed and killed Palpatine, now the Sith have reemerged within the First Order. They will take on yet another form down the road, and that’s the POINT. The battle between Good and Evil never truly ends. It just changes over the ages.
Noah Weathers
2025-03-05 05:36:25 +0000 UTCIn the extended lore that Disney came in and threw out as if it was trash rather than treasure, centuries before the prequels the Sith used to be a massive organization just as large as the old jedi order. But they were constantly getting in their own way through infighting. After a particularly severe collapse the rule of two was implemented to limit such issues. But it was always more of a guideline than an actual rule. At no point in known Star Wars history has there ever actually been only two sith in the galaxy. At best they limited it to two per nefarious organization.
Jason Ramey
2024-12-09 20:23:37 +0000 UTCYou don’t remember that the nearly finished episode 8 was scrapped and retooled after fan reactions? The sequel trilogy went through a lot of changes both in writers and directors.
Daisy Azuras
2024-12-09 17:13:07 +0000 UTCThat's a cheap excuse that fails to match reality. Ep8 was almost finished filming when Ep7 hit theatres, and Ep9 was almost finished when Ep8 hit. Remember there was only a single year between those releases. In other words there were no fan reactions available to retailor anything before initial shooting was all done and the actors were busy working on the next film. The biggest problem was each movie had a different director, they were not given an opportunity to properly coordinate because they were working on the films at the same time rather than in sequence, AND they had wildly different directing styles along with very different opinions on how the story should go. Disney was trying to pump out movies as fast as they could, with no consideration whatsoever as to the impact that would have on the quality of said movies. If they had simply given each film one more year in development and kept a consistent team working on each, it would not have fixed everything but it certainly would have removed the vast majority of the inconsistencies. I'm not going to say the fandom are blameless, but they are not the primary problem.
Jason Ramey
2024-12-09 11:57:34 +0000 UTCThe franchise really went downhill after this movie, the 8th one was Horrible, rushed script, fight scenes sucked, I was so glad I didn’t waste money to go see it in theaters
Ben Gross
2024-12-08 21:34:40 +0000 UTCThey do lightsabers so dirty in the new movies!
Quinn Wertz
2024-12-05 18:24:48 +0000 UTCThat's fair.
Kinji
2024-12-04 11:47:46 +0000 UTCHarrison Ford set killing off Han as a requirement for him returning for Ep7 because he felt it was a necessary part of Han's arc in the story. Well before any talk of sequels he had expressed a wish that Han had been killed off in the original trilogy.
Kinji
2024-12-04 11:45:30 +0000 UTCMy biggest complaint is the lightsabers feel less like swords and more like bats
Lenard Starks
2024-11-25 04:18:13 +0000 UTCWhy is everybody pretending i said kill? In the old movies no-one ever got touched by a light saber, and on the rare occasion they did, they lost an extremity! Because how are you going to slash at someone's face and only leave a surface level scar?
Kawaii Edgelord
2024-11-20 19:08:35 +0000 UTCNo. They didn't. And quite frankly, while their writing can be very hit or miss, Disney is killing more characters in their Starwars shows, including with lightsabers, than Lucas ever did outside of Order 66.
Blackbaldrik
2024-11-20 18:43:08 +0000 UTCHe tanked a shot from a freakin' Wookie Bowcaster. Most of his energy was probably going into just not dying from that wound. And I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure there's external literature confirming as much.
Blackbaldrik
2024-11-20 18:32:47 +0000 UTCAll of the complaints that they are making at the end of this movie are valid complaints that continue on through the series of these movies. they are caused by Disney executives reading fan reactions and then forcefully tailoring. The movies going forward based on those reactions rather than telling a coherent story so in a way, the fandom is responsible for the mess that comes from these movies because we all wanted our head cannons to be true rather than allowing a storyteller to tell us a continuous cohesive story
Daisy Azuras
2024-11-17 23:11:55 +0000 UTCHarrison Ford demanded that Han Solo die in this movie he didn’t really want to do a bunch more of these movies, but he did want to at least end the character on his terms
Daisy Azuras
2024-11-17 23:02:50 +0000 UTCPoe is supposed to be a fully realized version of wedge antillies
Daisy Azuras
2024-11-17 22:56:30 +0000 UTCstorm troopers have always just been regular people
Aphelion Audio
2024-11-16 15:45:10 +0000 UTCclone troopers are not the same as stormtroopers. Clones are just that, while stormtroopers were primarily volunteers and conscripts.
TjAlien
2024-11-13 20:43:22 +0000 UTCHe was heavily injured by a blaster bolt from Chewie, and from his fight with Finn. Plus he'd just killed his father, which likely affected his mental state. I'd say it's less a case of Plot Armour and more a case of Worf Had The Flu.
Foxy Boy
2024-11-09 20:02:44 +0000 UTCDo you want to give me alcohol poisoning?
HatsushiKun
2024-11-08 20:55:42 +0000 UTCclone troopers were retired after the clone wars.
Petter Uppvall
2024-11-08 16:49:31 +0000 UTCconvinient plot armour can work but that is a techique modern movies seems to have lost. The only one with stronger Armour than Rey is Abbadon in 40k.
Petter Uppvall
2024-11-08 16:37:58 +0000 UTCGonna have to fight back, but Han needed to die. As someone who hates nostalgia bait, I went into this movie expecting them to drag along characters from the previous franchise just to lure people into the theaters because they weren't confident in their own writing. As someone who grew up watching the prequels, one of the main complaints I heard from others (as well as my own thoughts) was the ham-fisted way they crammed some characters into them just so that people could point to the screen and say "look, it's that guy." Killing off a previous main character in order to make room for a new generation was the right call, whether or not it was executed correctly is up for debate, and even I flip-flop on it from time to time, but that move gave me at least a little bit of hope that they were at least brave enough to try something different and not lean on the previous cast (even if this movie was basically a shot-for-shot remake of A New Hope)
Mister Vorland
2024-11-07 09:31:08 +0000 UTCYeah honestly Kylo shoulda dogwalked Rey and the fact they just copped it out to MC plot armor really disappointed me.
FellwindXCII
2024-11-07 08:35:03 +0000 UTCJJ didnt write the entirety of FA, there was a writing team, and multiple script doctors. Rian threw out their work too, stuff they had prepared for the next crew to ensure narrative consistency and plot cohesion
MasamuneJM [Jonathan]
2024-11-07 04:42:47 +0000 UTChe also, by all accounts deliberately ignored all the plot setup in Force Awakens, and threw out notes explaining what those threads were (some of which we ONLY know about because Disney guide and art books written before and during 8s production, still contained plot elements he threw out). Several of the crew said he had a big head, and also that he changed things, simply to change them, and to make sure he could say "I did this" and to remove as much traces of prior writers' and director's work. Seems more a hubristic thing to me
MasamuneJM [Jonathan]
2024-11-07 04:40:57 +0000 UTCCould you imagine a drinking game for every time either of them said "hey, this is like ___ scene" or "___ did that in the last movies" or some variation of those themes.
Vetrais
2024-11-07 01:27:45 +0000 UTCHoly shit I forgot how incompetent and sloppy the portrayal of the first order is… Especially after coming from the first six and then rogue one…
Chronos Hoffman
2024-11-07 01:26:11 +0000 UTCSo when Finn rescued Poe, I think you missed the rest of the exchange because you were discussing it already. The "because it's the right thing" was kind of an empty justification. He further admitted it was because he needed a pilot, implying that the rescue was primarily because he couldn't fly the ship, and might not have done it if he didn't need Poe's help to escape.
Vetrais
2024-11-07 00:40:00 +0000 UTCI’d also argue they gave Kylo Ren so many disadvantages going into that fight.
Rakoon Shampoo
2024-11-05 14:48:08 +0000 UTCI think the only part of this I can agree with is the mind trick. Luke could also fly a ship without leaving his planet so clearly there are ways to learn to fly without leaving the planet. The only reason she can fly the falcon “so much better” is because we have better technology for those complex aerial tricks. Tech is like her main skill in this movie. So yeah, she can repair the Falcon. Characters are allowed to have skills.
Rakoon Shampoo
2024-11-05 14:47:13 +0000 UTCI literally just noticed that Rey starts wearing Finn/Poe's jacket when they go blow up the oscillator which means Finn must've given it to her to keep her warm, that's SO cute.
The_Spud_Player
2024-11-05 14:21:11 +0000 UTCTbf Rey has grown up scavenging and dismantling empire tech/ships and stuff, like there's probably a lot of crossover in design between empire and new order tech and a mechanical mind can figure out stuff even if the aesthetics may look different, so it makes sense she kinda knows what to yank on to make things work or break.
The_Spud_Player
2024-11-05 14:18:48 +0000 UTC1:54:05 got me rolling oh nooo
The_Spud_Player
2024-11-05 14:16:01 +0000 UTCThey did Boyega so, so dirty in Star Wars.
Patrick Waldeck
2024-11-05 14:04:19 +0000 UTCThe reason for the Rule of Two for the Sith is because it concentrates the power of the Dark Side on only 2 people, making them more powerful. ALSO, the system of the Rule of Two was designed in a way (along with a sith ritual) to make it so that every Sith Apprentice kills their master, gain all the accumulated Dark Side power of their master (transferred to them when the master dies to them), and then take an apprentice of their own, and the cycle continues. This went on for 1000 years. This is the reason why the current Sith have so much raw power. This is why Palpatine's master was able to manipulate life and bring the dead back to life with the force (he experimented on his own master, killing him, reviving him, killing again, reviving him again, etc.). Palpatine never learned the life manipulation techniques, but he still got the raw force power of his master when he killed him in his sleep after making him drunk. The reason the apprentice can also become close to the power of the master is that the master becomes a sort of beacon of the dark side, so being around does help growing stronger in the dark side. Before the Rule of Two was made, there were as many Sith as there were Jedi, aka a lot of them. Because of that, Siths were on average at the same level of power as Jedi on average.
Sancturillore -- Élie Simard-Wallot
2024-11-03 06:02:48 +0000 UTC"The framework but no blueprint" is a VERY GOOD description of how Disney handled the sequel trilogy.
Sancturillore -- Élie Simard-Wallot
2024-11-03 05:52:47 +0000 UTCI enjoy alot about this movie, but to this day it feels like the script is a bad fan fiction with Rey as the self insert. Acting, visuals, and chemistry between the characters was all tip notch though.
Rowdeemunkee
2024-11-02 23:13:46 +0000 UTCBased on Andor, it could have been even better. The director that did both left RO early, and you can tell. The tone is there but it's slightly different.
Rowdeemunkee
2024-11-02 22:24:04 +0000 UTCyeah Rogue One is the best movie after the originals just off the back of the scene™ IMO
Addeand
2024-11-02 22:16:48 +0000 UTCThat's how I felt after seeing it. I really tried but nah. And with 8 I gave up half way through since I was so God damn bored, so I didn't bother with 3
Blooocki :3
2024-11-02 21:41:39 +0000 UTCThey 100% became glowsticks under disney
Rowdeemunkee
2024-11-02 21:06:04 +0000 UTCAnd so Disney takes over :( l There's some good stuff, Rogue One and Andor to name a couple. But overall I can't say im a fan of the story telling they do
Rowdeemunkee
2024-11-02 21:04:06 +0000 UTCKinda, she already had mentioned that she's flown ships before and she seems to have been pretty decent with a staff which kinda translate well to a blade. I'd imagine growing up on a world like that, you'd pick on ship repair at the very least. Even Anakin had some Force abilities without any training like seeing things before they happen which helped him in Podracing, not something just any human could do. There's some individuals who are just strong with the Force even without training at first, usually those with a high Midichlorian count which makes them really sensitive to the Force.
Brandon Dodge
2024-11-02 20:04:36 +0000 UTCThis was ok, but you can already see that it’s all down hill from here.
Moviejunkie
2024-11-02 14:36:24 +0000 UTCThank you
Aaro Tiljander
2024-11-02 12:05:53 +0000 UTCClones werent continued for long after the 3rd movie, most stormtroopers are human
ItzNack
2024-11-02 11:11:21 +0000 UTCHopefully she notices the underlying racism in the empire and how their mostly human looking
Pirate King Buggy D. Clown
2024-11-02 10:41:17 +0000 UTCSad thing is, back when all the promotional material came out, it was heavily implied fin would be the main character and a jedi, and then the movie came out and it was all just misdirection.
EC
2024-11-02 05:20:24 +0000 UTCSad fact: carrie fisher died after filming ep8, so is like the universe using a UNO reverse card, they killed the character of Han Solo and let Leia live, but then Carrie died so we cant have leia anymore Also, i recomend watching Rogue One too, is unrelated to the trilogys even when is already stated how it happened since ep4, but is related to the tvshows, specially to 'Rebels'
Faroth
2024-11-02 04:12:25 +0000 UTCProblem with this was Rey was a Mary Sue. She can fly the falcon better than we have ever seen despite never leaving a planet, she can repair the falcon immediately better than both chewy and han, which is idiotic. She can use obi wan jedi mind jutsu immediately. She has zero training by the way in any of these things, not even a trainer which is why this movie gets hate. Crazy thing is this movie is the least egregious of the new trilogy when it comes sucking
Maxxman
2024-11-01 23:33:07 +0000 UTCHonestly I liked Daisy, as Rey and an actress her character and arc (except for just before the end and will wait for the third movie to discuss that bit) is honestly better than Luke's in the original trilogy. Overall she is a better lead character and as much as this trilogy isn't the bestest (still the original 3 for me) I will at least admit this exists unlike the fake star wars made up thing that came between (in part saying that for effect but personally still think this trilogy, with its flaws, is leagues above the Prequels).
Ashley Kennett
2024-11-01 18:58:02 +0000 UTCEven in Ahsokas trailer, i understand the "is that bad?" When heea says sbout the destroyer falling inyo the city Little rascal is a war criminal indeed, and funfact: his killcount is over 300,000 and keep going
Faroth
2024-11-01 16:42:36 +0000 UTCAll imma say is I love the actors in these next three, this movie was the first and I thought it was good enough (not good as the older ones besides the phantom menace and episode 5)
Jimmy Recinos
2024-11-01 16:30:57 +0000 UTCSorry, but I didn't say "die"
Kawaii Edgelord
2024-11-01 11:06:11 +0000 UTC1:49:05 Han's "That's not how the force works" is one my favorite memes out of Star Wars because it so accurately describes the sequel trilogy and all its lore-breaking goofiness. Still quote that one to this day completely out of the context of Star Wars. Also, completely unrelated, Poe Dameron is absolutely a main character. He was established in the opening crawl as the best pilot in the Resistance, the movie started with him, and he was the one to blow up Starkiller Base. Poe is very cool, throughout the trilogy he's probably the most consistently strong character. Finn and Rey also had good setup but tbh it's such a missed opportunity to have Finn, a defected Storm Trooper, not become a Jedi. The concept art designs for what he would've looked like are awesome. Rey did not chop Kylo's arm off, she sliced the lightsaber in half, hence why it immediately stopped lightsabering Fun Fact: Harrison Ford hates Han Solo, he hates when he's interviewed about him, and he hates how many times he's had to come back and play him. To him, Han was just another paycheck, and if he had his way, Han would never have made it past A New Hope. It's a miracle it took this long for him to die lol but yeah one of the main complaints about the sequels is Rey so you two are not alone, though the chemistry of the main 3 gets great later on, regardless of the quality of surrounding events
Ellerian
2024-11-01 09:33:00 +0000 UTCI lost my shit when I realized I was able to understand him. Thought I was high or imagining it while half-asleep or something.
Lynn
2024-11-01 06:37:55 +0000 UTC19:45 And you still need to meet C1-10P, a.k.a. Chopper, the best droid, older and angrier, and sassier 😅🤣😂 (rebels show) For 2nd or 3rd season, YOU end up understanding what that little bastard says
Faroth
2024-11-01 04:17:39 +0000 UTCMostly from jedi/sith pov: they dont just strike you with the weapon, they Force strike you with the weapon, so the damage is bigger on the inside Jokes apart, quigon is almoat the only character who was stroke once and died, while in the series a lot of characters were srroke a lot of times and even dismembered several times and survived
Faroth
2024-11-01 04:06:53 +0000 UTC13:21 The stormtroopers ARENT clones. When the empire forms at the end of ep3, the empire stop the production of clones and force the clones out of militar forces, making sure they get spread all across the galaxy so they dont unite against the empire. Then, most of the Republic army and the separatists become stormtroopers and they opened empire academy's to train new soldiers which are kinda 'brainwashed' into it. Since ep4, they are just soldiers, not clones, which explain why they have such bad aiming compared to clones (helmet design failure is also a Con against the aim, they even make jokes of it on some of the tvshows)
Faroth
2024-11-01 04:04:49 +0000 UTCJohn Boyega is so amazing, please watch Attack the Block. I'm pretty sure it was his first major film and it's still so good.
Patrick McIntyre
2024-11-01 02:31:55 +0000 UTCYeah the issue with the sequel trilogy is that they didn't have a very clear direction for the story and the writing suffers because of it. Episode 7 is the best of the sequels IMO and that's not even saying much when you consider the fact that it basically just reused the story beats from Episode 4.
Jesse Sherrell
2024-10-31 21:38:57 +0000 UTCDisney didn't declare that. George Lucas literally did. Comics, books and any other extended lore has never been canon.
Matty C
2024-10-31 21:11:56 +0000 UTCHe specifically said the only reason he'd come back is if they killed off Han
Malcorpse
2024-10-31 18:50:41 +0000 UTCAh, the start of the most controversial trilogy of the star wars movies. Personally while I mostly feel like it doesn't anything too egregious it just doesn't have the same passion in the characters or the story that the previous films do. I mostly end up forgetting everything that happens in this movie in particular due to how safe it plays everything, I can only assume it was to help set up the following movies but it's still sad to see. The only real thing I remember about this movie is thinking Kylo Ren and Finn are the characters with the most potential and that Chewbacca should've been the one with Leia at the end and the fact he wasn't really irritates me.
Runiic
2024-10-31 18:11:08 +0000 UTCJust because he's made 2 movies that got nominated for writing doesn't make another movie he did that didn't get nominated better
Jake stephens
2024-10-31 15:40:44 +0000 UTCI thought that it’s been canon ever since… well I don’t want to spoil anything in case Alicia reads this, so I’ll keep it vague, a certain dual-wielding padawan after the fall of the Jedi order. Also a certain Jedi in a game that is I believe to be considered canon that takes place before the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. There also the fact that there have been Force users that turned away from the teachings of the Sith and decided to use their powers for good, but they aren’t technically Jedi because they haven’t been trained or accepted as Jedi. I don’t remember what they are called.
Donald Armstrong IV
2024-10-31 12:53:59 +0000 UTCThe thing that bugs me the most is that lightsabers before this movie if they hit they cut something off, in this one multiple people got hit to get seared but with no serious damage.
Kawaii Edgelord
2024-10-31 11:48:23 +0000 UTCVII is this one, the Force Awakening.
Twiska Brand
2024-10-31 09:43:51 +0000 UTCstorm troopers are people and the clones are addressed as clone troopers
Pirate King Buggy D. Clown
2024-10-31 08:18:01 +0000 UTCI mean he is right. The Disney trilogy is horribly written
Jaffar Black Fang
2024-10-31 07:34:15 +0000 UTCa bowcaster is a very strong wepon to just tank in the gut
Lance Ivy
2024-10-31 07:12:04 +0000 UTCfun fact thats annies light saber .....its killed so many children
Lance Ivy
2024-10-31 07:09:50 +0000 UTCYa .. Kylo gets a bit cooked when fighting Finn and Rey in sabers CUZ he handicaps himself like a BUM .. he tries to imitate Vader to a fault .. Vader used 1 hand to fight and during his saber fights he TRIES to use one hand .. chances are he was trained in a more traditional form using both hands during saber combat
Gorotsuki
2024-10-31 05:55:55 +0000 UTCAlicia will be the one that will make me rewatch these movies for the first time. I still remember when Episode VII came out and my dad drove to the cinema with me and two school friends, all wearing selfmade cosplays with lightsabers. Cant say we left the cinema very satisfied after
Lucas_Oreki
2024-10-31 05:27:17 +0000 UTCI want her to react to the Bad Lip Reading and Weird AL star wars songs.
Dale Cooper
2024-10-31 04:02:21 +0000 UTCAnd this was the last good star wars movie disney made that for the main trilogys everything after this except rouge one SUCKS
roxannesimp
2024-10-31 03:39:39 +0000 UTCDon't be mad because they are right. Disney has only hurt Star Wars.
Icy
2024-10-31 02:50:15 +0000 UTCBB-8 is BB great
Doxin
2024-10-31 02:21:36 +0000 UTCSave your toxicity for your reddit posts. We don't need your trash here.
Matty C
2024-10-31 01:11:30 +0000 UTCI really hope Daisy starts to get the same treatment that Hayden has been getting recently. Neither of them deserve the hate they received from the fandom. The issues with the movies were not their fault and fans are starting to accept that and have embraced Hayden.
Jon baxley
2024-10-31 01:05:16 +0000 UTCThe rebels did beat the Empire and established a new republic, but because Disney hires shit writers, they did a full reset that has a small empire friendly force somehow take over despite being woefully outnumbered. There's a reason the disney sequels are considered shit by anyone not mind numbingly mentally deficient, and it starts with the title crawl.
Kap
2024-10-31 00:30:43 +0000 UTCThat was the right choice. Rian Johnson is a much better writer than JJ. His last two movies were nominated for Writing Oscars.
Shino302
2024-10-31 00:08:41 +0000 UTCHeck we could of gotten Thrawn Trilogy
Jaffar Black Fang
2024-10-31 00:03:41 +0000 UTCHarrison Ford DESPERATELY wanted Han to die. If it were up to him, he dies from the carbonite lol
Deadman5125
2024-10-30 23:30:42 +0000 UTCThis will be highest rated movie for the sequel trilogy. 8 and 9 only get worse especially since some of the Important lore for this is only given to us in comics and other events at the time.
Crazyone
2024-10-30 23:30:29 +0000 UTCUnfortunately Koma is right, BB-8 is the new R2...
V_VMat
2024-10-30 23:26:42 +0000 UTC(sorry for the bad grammar and anything I am not a native speaker) About your talk at the end there is are time period called the Old Republic (Not the Prequels that's the High Republic) were there were thousands of Sith and some of them count to the strongest of all time like Darth Nihilus who could suck the life force from anything alive on a planet whilst not even being on said planet so yes lots of Sith=Chaos and war. Point to there is a Jedi that you know who taps into the Dark side while fighting and that's Mace Windu his fighting stile is Form 7 Vapard, and he is the only one from the High Republic that uses it because it is extremely dangerous for Jedis to get corrupted by that Form and that brings me to Point 3 Yes Sidius killed Jedi masters with eas, but it wasn't shown perfectly like the novels described it (to be fair the novels came after the movies lol) first palpatine moved like 10 times faster than in the Movie and more important he used a Force Scream which is a Sith Technic that stuns people who are not prepared for it and mace could only stand a chance against Palpatine cause of his fighting stile which uses the dark side he got more powerful fighting sidius because he was so skilled with the dark side and mace kinda used palpatines power against him. His fighting style is also the reason that they send Obi wan and not Mace to fight Grievous because Grievous adapts against his opponents and learned there fighting stile mid-battle and there was a short battle once between mace and Grievous but Grievous started to learn his stile, so Mace retrieved because he thought if Grievous learned Maces stile he would be unbeatable
Furo
2024-10-30 22:26:53 +0000 UTCJust saying, don't blame 2 dropping all the plot threads on JJ, blame that on Rian wanting to do his own story, and going out of his way to take the plot in a different direction and ignoring almost everything 1 set up. The fact that JJ couldn't fix a dumpster fire and course correct in the single movie he came back for is unsurprising
MasamuneJM [Jonathan]
2024-10-30 22:25:46 +0000 UTCHe was a great possible MC
FlaschenJoe11
2024-10-30 22:25:10 +0000 UTC(TLDR 2nd movie sucked because 2nd director tossed out script and wanted to do his own thing, and the 3rd sucked in part DUE to the original director returning, and scrambling to restore as much of his idea as possible (which was hard as 2nd killed characters JJ intended to use. This caused severe pacing issues and plot cracks in 3) Being fair to JJ, they dropped JJ for the second film, and the next director basically tossed out the essentially finished script for the second film JJ left behind and ignored plot threads he set up. Then when JJ came back for the third, he basically tried to cram the skipped buildup and plot into it, while also making adjustments for the completely altered 2nd film, and it shows VERY heavily that it was a hatchet job scrambling to adjust for the changes, and rush along the plot he originally planned.
MasamuneJM [Jonathan]
2024-10-30 22:19:51 +0000 UTCI remember when TFA came out and people defended it saying JJ Abrams had to make the safest, most generic Star Wars movie possible to get the audience back after how underwhelming the prequels were, just to show that Star Wars movies could still be made. In hindsight, the next two films make the flaws of TFA glaringly obvious. I can't discuss my full opinion on it without spoilers, but if you think just about TFA... What's the premise of the movie? The Luke Skywalker disappeared and people are looking for him, right? It's what the movie starts with. It makes sense, and it ties he original films to the sequels. Except that premise is completely dropped in the second act to rehash the Death Star. JJ Abrams doesn't care to explore why Luke Skywalker disappeared or what his absence meant.
Rx1867
2024-10-30 21:05:38 +0000 UTCIt's sad that the only time Han Solo didn't say anything about have a bad feeling is the time that he dies
H
2024-10-30 21:00:13 +0000 UTCunfortunately Rey is basically the self insert of Kathleen Kennedy president of Lucasfilm which is why she is so bland. I can't help but feel bad for Rey's actor every time I am thinking of her since she played not only in a main role of star wars but one of the most hated characters which effected her career no doubt.
GingerBread
2024-10-30 20:19:21 +0000 UTCIf I am not mistaken, Harrison Ford (Han Solo) wanted out of having to do Star Wars but did this as a last hooray.
Shrapnel
2024-10-30 20:13:43 +0000 UTCWe lost the expanded universe for this.....garbage They could have done Dark Empire but nooooooooooooo lets kill Han instead. Good idea! Fuck you Disney.
Okoga
2024-10-30 20:12:55 +0000 UTCMost of the stormtroopers were actually people vower tiering or being drafted. most of the clone died off pretty quickly after the clown was.
Brian Johnson
2024-10-30 19:21:24 +0000 UTCI was in the latter category who loved it when it came out.. but as time went on and the hype and nostalgia went away I was left seeing those flaws. Which, oddly enough, made me more bitter about the whole affair.
Roto
2024-10-30 18:59:23 +0000 UTCTalking about ep 7-8 was so painful when they released. Because it was dominated by racist and misogynist bullshit on one side who thought it was an affront to god or something. But on the other side you had the not-bigoted crowd overcompensating against that criticism by trying to claim it was comparable to A New Hope. I basically came away feeling like you two did, and just couldn't find many sane people who also saw the flaws. I will say I like the sequel trilogy for doing a better job with the epic settings and shot compositions that the original nailed and the prequels dropped the ball on. The tone of the comedy in the 7-9 felt bad to me too. 1-6 feel like good movies that also strongly appeal to kids. 7-9 feel closer to just kids movies.
Usually Shalune
2024-10-30 18:25:34 +0000 UTCDisney just hates Star Wars and only did bad to it
Icy
2024-10-30 17:50:19 +0000 UTC"if they ever kill Han" ooh shes not gonna like what happens next
Ronix
2024-10-30 17:21:28 +0000 UTCNever heard of this type of Grey Jedi. It's usually just a term for force-users who aren't connected to the jedi order but aren't dark-side users. There is also the idea that is kind of restricted to the video games of light and dark side powers being unlocks that any force users can take with no repercussions (except sometimes an alignment-based nerf). Never liked that idea myself as the dark side has always been depicted as a corrupting influence, so it kind of lacks weight. Likewise a group that exists to balance the scales of good guys and bad guys for the sake of cosmic neutrality is pretty much always a terrible idea that is difficult to justify..
Beetlefan
2024-10-30 17:14:15 +0000 UTCthis one was built too much on "nostalgia/repetition" and "potential/secret boxes" - if the rest of the trilogy justified that many mysteries, it could've been great. instead this 7th one is just fine. imo the next two did not justify it... no other comments
Silver Blade
2024-10-30 17:11:39 +0000 UTCFinn is honestly the most misused character in the whole ass 9 movies. There is SUCH a great story in a Stormtrooper that switches sides, but they just make him a lovesick puppy instead. A lot of his mannerisms are also super weird for a person that was picked up as a child and raised as a weapon, and that's definitely a writing choice considering how different Finn is from the actor who plays him.
Aerowind
2024-10-30 16:56:03 +0000 UTCWell Alicia have fun with the next 2 films they honestly just get worse……. Hella disrespectful to the original cast
Nightmareman99
2024-10-30 16:55:11 +0000 UTCStrange enough for me, I only watched the sequel movies and rogue one before, in theaters. I watched episode 1-6 via Alicia reactions though I already knew the entire story from youtube clips and star wars videos. But This was my first time actually watching the first 6 movies myself.
Memento Forever
2024-10-30 16:46:34 +0000 UTCThe Force Awakens suffers from being a Sequel/reboot hybrid, they should have tried to make a completely original story that resemble a new hope. Like the prequels. This was like a new version of A New Hope like you said.
Memento Forever
2024-10-30 16:44:57 +0000 UTCI repeat: ""Grey Jedi"? I thought their order was called the Paladins of the Force?"
Joseph Zen-aku Kaga
2024-10-30 16:44:10 +0000 UTCI do hope Alicia will check out at least check out Andor aswell after :D that's like the best of the new Star Wars.
Mojo
2024-10-30 16:42:27 +0000 UTCUnfortunately, it does go down from here. This 1 is OK, but the rest just ain't it. Hope you watch Rogue One though, that's a great film, especially the 1 scene...
Tony
2024-10-30 16:40:03 +0000 UTCI apologise that you have to suffer through the sequel trilogy and its many many many mistakes but I hope you watch other star wars content that is good some point soon after so you don't feel like shit for to long....
GingerBread
2024-10-30 16:25:50 +0000 UTCI kinda agree with this take. I distinctly remember a bunch of people whining about how they were a blemish on the greater story. (Same for the revisions to the original trilogy). We'll just have to wait and see what the consensus becomes once the nerd rage dies down.
Quinton Macejkovic
2024-10-30 16:19:21 +0000 UTCSo binary is a language in Star Wars. Some people like Anakin, Luke, and Rey can understand the language.
Guy
2024-10-30 16:12:04 +0000 UTCDefinitely should have gone to the Clone Wars Series first
Joel Sasmad
2024-10-30 15:53:47 +0000 UTCSo, watching this reaction was my second watch-through of this movie, and I've had a few years to reassess my initial take. With all attempts to be fair: THE GOOD: -Finn is a great character and a very interesting premise, as is Kylo Ren at this point, and the actors are all good. -Many of the designs in this movie specifically do an excellent job of giving the sense that there have been 30 years of advancement but it's still the same universe. -There are some beautiful shots and moments (the opening raid, the oner of Poe showing off his piloting skills, etc). THE BAD: -Starkiller Base is a classic example of bad sequel-itis, just re-doing stuff the old movies did but turned up to 11 and thinking this is a good idea. -Treating the destruction of a capitol world of the New Republic as a throw-away thing, basically to justify a big Reset Button approach to the franchise: Han and Leia are rebel underdogs again, etc. -On a similar reset note, Han Solo's characterization and growth as a person have been abandoned in the name of fan service. The mature man who had committed himself to a cause and settled into a mature relationship with Leia is gone: Back is the smuggler who doesn't have anyone....and then he gets killed off. I understand why Ford was ready for the character to end, and I thought that scene was actually a very interesting piece of development for Kylo Ren, but I was overall unhappy with how Han Solo was treated in this movie. THE UGLY: -I said on the way out of the theater that this movie was such a note-for-note copy of A New Hope and packed with so much fanservice that Episode 7 consumed the entire sequel trilogy's allowance for fanservice and memberberries. From here on out, I said, they would have to do something new... and a finger on the monkey's paw curls....
Linnaeus
2024-10-30 15:41:29 +0000 UTCI should've done the same but I gave it a pass despite basically being reskinned A New Hope but Last Jedi pretty much killed Star Wars for me I just despised that movie and that completely pointless sideplot was the worst
Daniel Gonzalez
2024-10-30 15:31:42 +0000 UTC2:33:10 Before Disney declared everything other than the movies and shows was no longer canon there was a group like that called the Grey Jedi who sought true balance with the force and if the light or dark side would gain too much control they would help the side with less power regardless if they were Jedi or Sith
Trevor Appel
2024-10-30 15:29:31 +0000 UTCNah I liked the prequels when they came out TFA is only one I give a slight pass to but the fact its basically just ANH again that actually doesn't really lead to anything hurts it in retrospect I despised TLJ and didn't bother with RoS regardless if there were different directors there should've been a plan for the trilogy instead of just doing it as they went along Rogue One is the only Disney Wars film I enjoyed
Daniel Gonzalez
2024-10-30 15:29:10 +0000 UTC"Grey Jedi"? I thought their order was called the Paladins of the Force?
Joseph Zen-aku Kaga
2024-10-30 15:28:13 +0000 UTCThere really isn't. The idea of "Grey" Jedi is mostly a fanon invention. This is especially true after the purging of the old EU. Even then it was more alternative non-Jedi Force-using orders rather than something associated with the Jedi.
Aerowind
2024-10-30 15:21:23 +0000 UTCWhen I look for interesting or good fanfiction I start by filtering out anything with Rey or Kylo 😁
Adam Young
2024-10-30 15:13:45 +0000 UTCThere's some strong moments in obi wan too
Shadowsofpain
2024-10-30 14:54:46 +0000 UTCThe only reason I was "fine" with Han's death was due to out of film knowledge. Harrison Ford wanted Han to die at the end of V and did not enjoy being a part of the universe since he felt it type cast him and the fans were annoying and obnoxious for him. Him being one of the most popular characters Lucas didn't want to outright kill him so the wrote in they carbonite scene as a way for Ford to not return in VI but leave the door open for fan to imagine him being able to be saved in the future, but then Ford relented and agreed to be in VI since it was the finale. Him coming back for VII was always going to be the swan song of the character of han solo.
Shadowsofpain
2024-10-30 14:52:29 +0000 UTCMy honest opinion without spoilers. I think this one was okay, a basic re-hash of A New Hope but set up some good stuff for later movies. The Last Jedi was bad, but not horrible and Rise of Skywalker was dog shit. But all three films are plauged with plot holes, dumb characters decisions, and inconsistencies. Plus the fight scenes in all are massive downgrades. But the worst part for all the fans is when Disney bought Star Wars they decanoised the Star Wars EU and replaced it with their own stuff. So not only did fans not like this new stuff, it felt like an insult when all the other stuff was axed. And it didn't help that legitimate criticism was labbed as "entitled fans," "review bombing" and "alt-right hate". Ture, there were some people using legitimate criticism to bully the poor actors and push agendas, but the media lumped it all together. Overall the movies are mediocre to bad, but the company and media decisions soured a lot of the fans to anything Disney. I can give more detail thoughts on the other movies once you watch them. I may not like this movie, but I still won't spoil the rest for you. Though I will say it's pretty clear most of your fans, the patron ones at least, don't like these films. Can't say much about YouTube though. Personally the only people I know that like these films are AO3 writers.
Twiska Brand
2024-10-30 14:48:24 +0000 UTCThey stopped producing the clones after episode 3 going back to conscripting the people of the empire as soldiers. Some clones continued to server in the empire after revenge of the sith such as the 501st anakins clone division being converted into vaders 501st but they were either abandoned or killed in the end.
Nightmareman99
2024-10-30 14:46:56 +0000 UTCYou are 100% right, I don't normally use the Roman Numerals, don't know why I even tried
nervouspirate
2024-10-30 14:38:22 +0000 UTCYou do know Episode IV is New Hope, right?
Twiska Brand
2024-10-30 14:32:32 +0000 UTCWorryingly this is probably the "best" of the sequel trilogy, imo. It very much feels like the sequels were used to undo every fine detail and unique aspect of the franchise so that Disney could have more "creative freedom" or out of corporate speak could but the Star Wars name on anything a claim it made sense.
OmniOrcus
2024-10-30 14:28:57 +0000 UTCTo say with droids most of the time the speak universal basic (English or whatever the audio is) but droids that do the beeps and chirps are speaking a language called binary that is possible to interpret what they are saying usually by people that have been around droids for a while or have a idea of the language, the ship monitor just translates it for easy use.
beanz
2024-10-30 14:27:47 +0000 UTCI’m not really a fan of the concept of “Grey Jedi” since it sorta goes against George Lucas’s whole idea of the Jedi being magical space monks seeking enlightenment and the Sith being evil sorcerers who neglected their spirituality and became corrupted by material distractions and selfishness. The problem with fallen Jedi like Anakin wasn’t that they loved other people, most Jedi love people, it’s that they let those emotions cloud their mind and lead them to extremely harmful decisions.
unknown organism
2024-10-30 14:26:31 +0000 UTCDid you mean VII?
Badgersan
2024-10-30 14:26:04 +0000 UTCHot take: People are about as weird about these as they were about the Prequels a decade ago. That being said TROS in particular is quite bad.
nervouspirate
2024-10-30 14:22:25 +0000 UTC100% agreed, and I believe confirmed to be happening? I forgot about it because it is animated and I was thinking about the newer live action stuff where so many of the comments were referring to Disney missing the mark on Star Wars. Visions season 1 was pretty good as well!
L Freya
2024-10-30 14:21:12 +0000 UTCThe 2003 clone wars cartoon is also really good.
unknown organism
2024-10-30 14:17:14 +0000 UTClike ruining luke
Tor Andre Frantsvaag
2024-10-30 14:14:06 +0000 UTCAh yes the sequel trilogy or as I like to call them Satan, Lucifer and Beelzebub. I'm gonna skip these movies.
J-Rod
2024-10-30 14:05:57 +0000 UTCI'm gonna skip this one, to be honest. Even Alicia and Koma can't make reliving the sequel trilogy bearable to me...
Chronos Hoffman
2024-10-30 14:05:19 +0000 UTConly way to watch a bad movie and have fun is with you two guys
Leticia
2024-10-30 13:54:30 +0000 UTCSo there is such a thing as a Grey Jedi. A Jedi that hasn’t fallen to the dark side but doesn’t follow the rules of the Jedi. Qui-Gon Jin was the closest Jedi to Grey that there was in the main series. The comics expand more on the topic. A Grey Jedi forms attachments and can love, but they haven’t fallen in search of power like Anakin did
Donald Armstrong IV
2024-10-30 13:50:42 +0000 UTC35 mins in, Alisha and Koma believe Han is on Jakku, no, Leia sent Poe and BB-8 to collect the map.
Joseph Zen-aku Kaga
2024-10-30 13:44:24 +0000 UTCWhy the bad Disney movies?
Icy
2024-10-30 13:35:19 +0000 UTCJose Juaquin: "Anakin and luke were both fluent in binary driod language" Yes, binary driod language is the most difficult language to learn...except for those who use the force, all jedi in the clone wars show can understand binary driod.
Joseph Zen-aku Kaga
2024-10-30 13:23:32 +0000 UTCI’m going to be honest: I gave up watching the sequel trilogy after this movie.
masteroftheassassins
2024-10-30 13:15:11 +0000 UTCyou should have seen the clone wars first (my opinion) so you would understan a little what happend to them <3
D.Dark
2024-10-30 13:14:47 +0000 UTCStorm Troopers replaced the clone army after episode 3
vincent shiflett
2024-10-30 13:14:38 +0000 UTCAnakin and luke were both fluent in binary driod language
Jose Juaquin
2024-10-30 13:13:14 +0000 UTC13 min in Alisha and Koma are talking about the stormtroopers being clones, this is false, after the clone wars, the clones are decommissioned, ie killed, a handful escapes buy removing the chips in their brains, others are accepted as teachers to train stormtroopers, the empire also kidnapped kids and erased there past Turing them into obedient soldiers with no other purposes. You can see these events unfold in the star wars show Bad Batch.
Joseph Zen-aku Kaga
2024-10-30 13:03:36 +0000 UTCIt's all downhill from here
Jalatron
2024-10-30 13:00:38 +0000 UTCDefinitely should watch movies like rogue one instead of this trilogy. It just gets worse with each movie
Artemis
2024-10-30 12:54:16 +0000 UTCHell yea I really enjoyed this one... but I cant wait for you guys to RIP the next two movies a new ones... The next one is Unironically one of the worst movies I have seen, I hate that movie sooo fucking MUCH and cant wait for you guys to watch it....
Christo Badenhorst
2024-10-30 12:52:15 +0000 UTCI do agree that Grey Jedi shouldn't be a thing. But George Lucas kinda shot himself in the foot when he wrote the Jedi in the prequels to be dogmatic, aloof and detached, yet still somehow be masters of the Light Side. He kinda proved the point that the Light and Dark Sides of the force are not absolute indicators of morality, that you can still be a bad person and be a Jedi at the same time. So it's inevitable that people would look to the Dark Side and start wondering if you could use it for good.
BirthdayParty
2024-10-30 12:50:28 +0000 UTCAhhh... these ones have some good moments, but mostly just bring me pain, hope you find some joy in them
Vendacator
2024-10-30 12:38:13 +0000 UTCNoooo Alicia, Don't join the dark side! The sequels don't exist! Jokes aside, The sequels do have some good moments in them, but generally, Disney did them dirty.
Rasmus Helm
2024-10-30 12:35:41 +0000 UTCYeah clone troopers are clones stormtroopers are recruits. After order 66 the clone troopers where purged because if someone slipped a new code into the clones they would be able to take over the empire.
Jacob
2024-10-30 12:30:34 +0000 UTCWith how much care the set up for the confederation, republic, and empire get, the first order is just such a baffling faction. Heck even the rebels get a decent bit of work outside of the initial films.
PrivateXimmy
2024-10-30 12:28:33 +0000 UTCI was born firmly before the prequels but after the originals. I did get the edgy hate on the prequels but grown out of it. The Sequels I just dislike on pretty much objective reasons. They're just a poorly paced trilogy with bad characters. I don't hate Luke's arc, I fully accept Lucas' vision is a far more black and white child-friendly version of the universe but the Sequels never got that right either. It feels like a corpo project devoid of love. Prequels clearly suffer from Lucas having free reign to do his thing but he at least loves the stuff. Feloni also goes to hard in the fan service but he at least loves Star Wars. This one just felt a cold reproduction to hit integrated marketing goals. They're not the worst movies ever made but they're not good either. Which is a shame given the legacy. Now Rogue One I fuck with but at the same time I recognize that grittier version of Star Wars will never be the main stay but can I at least get Star Wars Rebels level of quality?
Jobbe Smit
2024-10-30 12:24:16 +0000 UTCSometimes a popcorn movie works and sometimes it doesn't. I think after Rogue One there's only Mandalorian (earlier seasons) and Andor that really pleases the crowds.
L Freya
2024-10-30 12:21:18 +0000 UTCI think the Mandalorian show tells a pretty good story what happens to the remnants of the Galactic Empire after the second Death Star blows up. The First Order at war with another rebel group just feels trite. First Order vs the New Republic at least would've made sense.
Jobbe Smit
2024-10-30 12:17:53 +0000 UTCI liked them as a teenager but George Lucas absolutely hated that idea with a passion. Listening to his reasoning I have to agree they have no place within his vision. They run directly at odds with his vision of the Force. There is no balance between the Light and the Dark side, the Dark side is irredeemably evil. Grey Jedi is a very early 2000 anti-hero thing that has no place in his scifi morality play.
Jobbe Smit
2024-10-30 12:15:53 +0000 UTCThe First Order, I mean Apple, does at least embrace the fascist trappings of their role so there's that?
Jobbe Smit
2024-10-30 12:14:09 +0000 UTCDon’t get me wrong, there’s a ton I don’t love about these movies (one especially I hate), and there’s a lot I wish they would’ve done a lot better and differently. However, I do care a lot about the sequel trilogy characters. I just think Disney should’ve taken it slow and planned the movies out better ahead of time, similar to the old mcu.
mykanike
2024-10-30 12:11:32 +0000 UTCso much lost potential.....though maybe that's on us for loving a franchise and building something from it, getting our expectations higher and higher from the mediums of books and games to a point where nothing could live up to it. ah well, fix it fics exist.
Daniel Siegfried
2024-10-30 12:05:59 +0000 UTC“If they ever kill Han” Two minutes later… Honestly though in my personal opinion that was the one thing this sequel trilogy did right. It set a tone, showed how deep Kylo Ren went, let Harrison Ford put the character to rest. It was impactful. On the other hand…everything else?
PotterBrony
2024-10-30 12:04:10 +0000 UTCWe've gone too far, but I'll watch anyway since atleast Disney isn't getting my money directly.
Kazukima
2024-10-30 11:56:21 +0000 UTCSomething of an issue with the sequel trilogy is that the worse the position the enemy should be in, the better off they seem to be. Empire defeated and the remnant forced into the boonies? Never mind, it turns out they've enough resources to not only field an sizeable military but a ridiculous planet-sized superweapon (because they've had such good luck with those superweapons don'tcha know). Then that gets destroyed and all the resources and manpower involved are completely wasted but it's not even a blip on the First Order's radar despite them not being a galaxy spanning empire that could weather that sort of thing anymore. That's not even getting into Rise of Skywalker and that whole moronic "super fleet" thing.
Beetlefan
2024-10-30 11:55:52 +0000 UTCThese movies would have been better off by not including any of the characters from the previous movies. If you thought Han was bad....😅
Erik Nilsson
2024-10-30 11:55:33 +0000 UTCMandalorian is peak
Salmonero
2024-10-30 11:06:47 +0000 UTChey now, Rogue One was a pretty good Prequel movie that leads into episode 4
Gavin Bickel
2024-10-30 10:56:55 +0000 UTCwhich is why i think even though this is pretty much the start of when the movies started getting less quality (i don't care what people say about the Prequels, i liked them better than the original, fight me), i personally think this one was damn good. it's the next 2 in the trilogy that fall really flat. as well as Solo. but i do think that Rogue One was pretty good, and i don't think any of the tv shows were terrible at all. i don't give a fuck what people say about them, they're all pretty good
Gavin Bickel
2024-10-30 10:46:21 +0000 UTCGotta get that Skywalker shot. Can´t have people wondering about the journey to find him, until the next film. But really, while I am fine with an open ending, like the Empire Strikes back where we leave the heroes still uncertain, but getting ready to face the challenges ahead, I hate this sort of ending where it basically just cuts in the middle of a scene. It leaves so little room for the imagination, and is just awkward
Ebofa
2024-10-30 10:41:40 +0000 UTCweirdly enough kylo is the only good part about the sequel for me and the only plot that works; The force awakens is litteraly the renacting A New Hope
Fenronin (Dorian Dubourg)
2024-10-30 10:32:52 +0000 UTCAlso, even when people heard it was going to be a prequel, I think most imagined it would start out with Anakin at Luke's age, basically starting the story with Episode 2.. Which actually might be a good way to watch it. Because of the 10 year story gap between 1 and 2, basically anything of importance gets repeated and reinforced in 2, and characters talking about it would feel in line with how characters in 4 would talk about events that took place before the movie
QuibblesAndGitz
2024-10-30 10:20:35 +0000 UTCjust a lore thing stormtroopers are not clones after the order 66 they dont produced new clones the stormtrooper are normal human who just wants a job a normal army
Emaliar
2024-10-30 10:15:22 +0000 UTCOh boy. The most complicated trilogy of the three. The Force Awakens is okay but the plot sort of falls apart if you think of it as a sequel. Why is the First Order around? Why is it the Resistance and not the Republic at war with them? That kind of thing. The effects are gorgeous, at least, a good blend of CGI and practical effects. I think the biggest hangups I have are with the fact that it's a retelling of A New Hope except "bigger and badder" and that Rey doesn't feel like she has earned her abilities. Vader felt like a god damned menace in the OG, but Kylo feels like a child throwing a tantrum. He feels incompetent. She has no training and Finn wasn't even Force sensitive. Anakin or Luke would have smoked them. So yeah the idea that Rey could use all of those Force powers when Luke, the damned Chosen One, could barely block some training bolts is absolutely wild. I wanted to like this movie and the others and I think the biggest crime is that they could have been excellent. The actors are good, it's just the writing that dooms them. Add to that the drama between the multiple different directors with no cohesive vision for what is supposed to be a trilogy and it ends up a hot mess. They aren't telling one single story, it's three seperate ones.
Wil DeYoung
2024-10-30 10:15:10 +0000 UTCOh God... Don't continue down this path, it leads to the dark side.
Mister Taffy
2024-10-30 10:12:45 +0000 UTCTbf, after 16 years, people were really excited to see Luke's future adventures (which we still haven't gotten even after 32 years). They didn't expect or want to see Darth Vader as a dorky kid and angsty teen... Now that they already exist and were mostly well made, it's easier to accept. It just wasn't the type of movies fans wanted at the time
QuibblesAndGitz
2024-10-30 10:11:01 +0000 UTCAgreed. I think the Luke shot at the end was mostly for money or to cash in on the character.
Wil DeYoung
2024-10-30 10:08:12 +0000 UTCCrazy how the cycle repeats. Old people hated the prequels. People my age hate Disney. Younger people like what came out when they were young
Adam Young
2024-10-30 10:02:23 +0000 UTCjust don’t bother with this trilogy lol..
Adin Monks
2024-10-30 09:39:00 +0000 UTCGrey jedi are one of the more intresting concepts in the Starwars universe, to bad disney made it non canon
AonixGhostlyQ
2024-10-30 09:30:59 +0000 UTCDamn right, Poe really SHOULD have been a main character in this movie.
Adam
2024-10-30 09:27:14 +0000 UTCOh 100% that's my main issue with it as well they had so much amazing setup only for it to be absolutely wasted.
Nim
2024-10-30 09:25:23 +0000 UTCHonestly fair, Rey Finn and Poe are all really amazing characters!!!
Nim
2024-10-30 09:24:18 +0000 UTCPlease no, watch Rogue One instead... Save yourself!
Zach567
2024-10-30 09:10:22 +0000 UTCOk, so it would be best to assume that this is the final mainline Star War and to only watch recommended shows/movies within the franchise from now on. Trust me, it only gets worse.
unknown organism
2024-10-30 09:09:03 +0000 UTCWhy do you think Rey and Luke are related?
Lightinger
2024-10-30 09:02:49 +0000 UTCI always tought that Rey was my favourite character but after rewatching ep 7 I think it might be Poe.
Thaïsgrün
2024-10-30 09:01:34 +0000 UTCCan't believe how much disney fumbled this trilogy. Will be interesting to see what you think of the next two. Rogue One is the best of the new though
Erik Nilsson
2024-10-30 08:59:17 +0000 UTCyeah the whole mary sue shit with the added fact that she is clearly related to Luke (hence why she is so great at everything) is stupiddly annoying. Sure Luke was Anakin's kid but at least he trained A LOT. Also reeeaaaal creepy how her and someone else in the movie who she is CLEARLY RELATED TO are seen as the main love interest . . .
WillGlacier
2024-10-30 08:52:17 +0000 UTCOh. Oh no
WillGlacier
2024-10-30 08:50:07 +0000 UTC"This is where the dumb begins."
N00B
2024-10-30 08:41:32 +0000 UTCThis is similar to something I thought at the end of Ep 6: how th they dismantled an entire GALACTIC EMPIRE. Surely there was someone high enough to secure power and Palp & Vader weren't the only thing keeping it together.
CeCactus13
2024-10-30 08:20:38 +0000 UTCI will skip this one xD rather not be retraumatized. In a vacum the movie on it's own is not bad. But damn it is going downhill from here.
Jasmin Jakobsen
2024-10-30 08:06:01 +0000 UTCSo, the thing about Han... Harrison Ford wanted that. From all I know, he hated this role, how it colored his career. Hated it. If I remember correctly, he only agreed to come back if they killed Han. He was done with the role, didn't want anyone else taking it, and wanted to end it on his terms.
AbsurdToastling
2024-10-30 08:02:38 +0000 UTC2015 my favorite year of my life so far
Yagi di Hoshi
2024-10-30 07:38:08 +0000 UTCWait. No. Alicia no. Noooooooooooooooooooooo
protosaber363
2024-10-30 07:06:45 +0000 UTCThese movies had so much potential, they could have made TENS OF BILLIONS, but poor directorial decisions and an attempt to widen the audience appeal instead of having a specialized focus to the core audience lead to a cascade of decisions that lead to a lesser box office. for context, the entire sequel trilogy earned 4.4 Billon, the original release in 1977 adjusted for inflation made 4 Billon by itself
bvsfang
2024-10-30 06:52:14 +0000 UTCDoes anyone know if she's gonna react to Rogue One?
RedRam-Ipsen
2024-10-30 06:46:11 +0000 UTCThe number 1 problem I have with this trilogy is how the hell did the First Order come to be, there is no galaxy where Leia isn’t a competent enough leader to recreate the republic or that she did and somehow Snoke just Palpatine’d the republic for a 2nd time.
Michael
2024-10-30 06:45:35 +0000 UTCNot hard, prequels are goated
ShreddedNinja
2024-10-30 06:41:06 +0000 UTChonestly this film was good the next film they screwed up by changing directors and writer
vork88
2024-10-30 06:35:30 +0000 UTCthis has been my ted talk. thank you
angus Macintyre
2024-10-30 06:10:25 +0000 UTCALSO HOW DARE THEY KILL HAN SOLO BEFORE WE COULD GET A REUNION WITH THE OG TRIO
angus Macintyre
2024-10-30 06:10:02 +0000 UTCI dont know if its been stated yet but the clones were only used during the era of the clone wars the storm troopers from the original trilogy weren’t clones only conscripted soldiers so the same applies here the clones were phased out shortly after the jedi where taken out
Derek Gonzalez Mercado
2024-10-30 06:09:36 +0000 UTCnext lets talk about Kylo Ren. In the context of this movie he was an alright villain. but unfortunately the books had the exact same idea for Ben Skywalker AND JUST DID IT BETTER.
angus Macintyre
2024-10-30 06:08:32 +0000 UTClets start with Rey. GREAT character in a vacuum and in the context of her own story. but its obvious they had no idea what to do with her outside of knock-off Luke. which makes her being good at everything she tries to do obnoxious and contrived.
angus Macintyre
2024-10-30 06:05:48 +0000 UTCas a stand alone film, i remember enjoying this movie on release. BUT MY GOD does the flaws in this movie and character writing become apparent and a second viewing and with context of the the later 2 films
angus Macintyre
2024-10-30 06:03:17 +0000 UTCI will never understand why they didn´t end the film on the Millenium Falcon going to hyperspace. It would have been a great shot to end the film with. Going off on a new adventure. But no, they had to get Luke in there. Like most J.J Abrams films that I have seen, this was one entertained by while I watched it, but the moment the film ended and I started to actually think about it, it quickly fell apart for me.
Ebofa
2024-10-30 05:55:01 +0000 UTCI think my biggest problems with the Sequels is how much I feel that they wasted the characters.
Ebofa
2024-10-30 05:51:33 +0000 UTCShould rlly watch clone wars animated show. It kills the movies imo
Christian Dixson
2024-10-30 05:51:16 +0000 UTCNo Stormtroopers are different from clones, stormtroopers are conscripted and signed on soldiers who joined the empire,
Nim
2024-10-30 05:49:33 +0000 UTCSo to answer the whole stormtrooper clone thing only a small portion of stormtroopers were clones the rest were regular people of every day life
Theshyshipper
2024-10-30 05:46:51 +0000 UTCThe true glory of the Sequels is how they managed to make a trilogy worse than the Prequels.
Lukundra
2024-10-30 05:37:52 +0000 UTCYOOOO IT'S MY FAV STAR WARS MOVIE!!!!!!!! or second, honestly it's a toss-up between this and attack of the clones, I just personally love Rey as a protag at least in this film anyway, it gets worse and worse as the films go on but besides that I love her.
Nim
2024-10-30 05:33:06 +0000 UTCMaam? You really don’t want to let a girl sleep, huh? A bitch can’t thrive. Anywho, this movie is pretty near to my heart cause it’s the first one to come out when I was actually cognizant.
mykanike
2024-10-30 05:32:24 +0000 UTCI’ve been loving the reactions to the movies! I hope you can get to certain shows at some point too! Keep up the great work
MrGuy3000
2024-10-30 05:31:41 +0000 UTCAnd now on to the Sequels! This one is essentially a rip off of A New Hope tho...
Gildarts1#fan
2024-10-30 05:31:38 +0000 UTCYipee!!
Shig
2024-10-30 05:31:19 +0000 UTCWhile the sequels get an enormous amount of hate, both reasonably and unreasonably, I'm glad you are giving it a shot still.
Pizzaflavored
2024-10-30 05:31:13 +0000 UTCHello
subete_wa
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