aliciaxlife - Star Wars: The Last Jedi Episode VIII

Bad movie, literally killed the ip. Please don't ban

M

2025-02-20 05:50:41 +0000 UTC

Luke wasnt character assassinated. He said it best himself. People deified him. Hes not perfect nor is he a jedi master. He only saved vader because it was his dad. He was ready to kill him and i believe he wouldve turned if it had been Maul or some other sith. Hes also a skywalker which burdens him with too much power and instability. Lukes character went in a way i wouldnt have predicted but am not upset with

Immeasurably Me

2025-02-18 05:02:10 +0000 UTC

I would go with a 7/10 maybe a 6/10 if I fully use my brain. It loses 2 points based on how they handled Luke that is not negotiable. The last 1 to 2 points are due to how illogical the light speed attack is... It retroactively demolishes the series... As in why was that not used in every space battle? Why are there no light speed missiles??? If there is an explanation as to why this was only possible in this specific case... Well it was not made clear in any way shape or form to us... I mean I have to try REALLY hard to ignore that, and I just cannot fully let it go... It requires a suspension of logic that is beyond me... The visual were AMAZING for that scene... It was a brilliant work of art. I just wish it made sense man D: So final score 7/10 with brain off and 6/10 with brain on

Azi

2025-01-14 07:43:15 +0000 UTC

Bro the suicide run is a huge plot hole... No use pretending... If you can do that then... Everything else is moot. Death star ? Well just ram something at light speed into it!

Azi

2025-01-14 05:05:39 +0000 UTC

Except there aren't plot holes. Just shit you didn't bother to learn. And it didn't trash the lore, you simply didn't know the lore.

Kyrix

2025-01-10 15:16:43 +0000 UTC

I havnt started the reaction yet, but i see the "woohoo this was good" and im like, I hated this one the most of every single one of em hehe. It was done by a different director than the force awakens and it was a jumbled mess, it was "fine" ish, id give the movie a B-, its passable. Ep9 did what it could to fix the jumbled mess of a story this one did.

Michael Derryberry (Marusame)

2025-01-07 23:36:20 +0000 UTC

Personally, I like The Last Jedi - but then again I only watch the parts with Kylo/Rey and ignore every single other scene. The rest is kinda bad, but every Kylo/Rey scene is superb SW for me.

Kabelsatan

2025-01-07 15:15:00 +0000 UTC

Nobody asked.

Anzac-A1

2025-01-06 05:41:02 +0000 UTC

saying this movie is good despite all the plot holes and trashing on lore and even characters from this dumpster fire of a trilogy is just really insulting especially after the smear campaign Disney launched against fans of the franchise calling everyone sexist racist and every other ist simply because its not a good movie

CatGod101

2024-12-26 09:44:05 +0000 UTC

god this movie is just character assassination seriously all just to make Mary sue look better

CatGod101

2024-12-26 06:00:26 +0000 UTC

1:26:27 they botched a lot of stuff in the movie, a lot of Star Wars fans, including myself, hated what they did with this movie, they did the 9th one a little better, but the completely fumbled the whole thing. I think the 7th one was just something that got everyone’s curiosity, they were building off of the success of a different company, and they swooped in, bought Star Wars, and botched it with this trilogy. The series are really good though, you should check out some of them

Ben Gross

2024-12-09 01:00:44 +0000 UTC

1:01:58 she’s literally just swing the saber back and forth

Ben Gross

2024-12-09 00:35:50 +0000 UTC

Exactly. There’s so much of that rooted in this.

Triene (Katie)

2024-11-27 08:18:46 +0000 UTC

Twins

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 08:14:16 +0000 UTC

It's so unfortunate because "Rey isn't special" and "Kylo can't be saved" are two of the best ideas of the entire Sequel Trilogy. There's no answer to "who is Rey" that could have actually been interesting.

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 08:10:27 +0000 UTC

It is absolutely fallacious, because it presupposes that people who do good things cannot do bad things. Luke is not fundamentally good or pure or resistant to the Dark Side. He's a brat, he complains a lot, he gets angry, he gets arrogant, he ignores his teachers, he's vengeful, and at times he's willing to kill. He only saves himself from killing his father because he saw Vader also had a false hand, and remembered the lesson from the Dagobah cave. He is a multifaceted character with a lot of good and bad parts, and a strict adherent to the Jedi Order - an order that famously caused its undoing.

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 08:08:42 +0000 UTC

I don't know why people are so precious about the Palpatine expy being killed. He was killed by the most original villain since Return of the Jedi, who acted in ways that other villains didn't act before. Snoke brought absolutely nothing to the table, and the movies never really implied he ever would. TLJ killing him off was the very best thing Johnson did with this movie.

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 07:59:00 +0000 UTC

Go to your room

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 07:56:47 +0000 UTC

I think this is giving more credit to Rian than he earned; more realistically is that, around this time, there were a lot of people who were saber rattling over wokeness. Not that TLJ is only disliked because of weirdos upset about purple hair and feminism, but it'd be pretty silly to say that this wasn't a factor. I don't even think that a lot of the biggest people invested in how much they hated TLJ for being woke were even Star Wars fans, just culture war agitators.

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-27 07:56:27 +0000 UTC

There were so many flaws with the last jedi but it makes me sad every time i watch it. Just knowing it was Carrie Fishers last movie. A princess now amongst the stars.

Kohl hager

2024-11-27 01:19:20 +0000 UTC

To me, the third thing isn't so much a lore problem (although it is), because of course you could come up with a million reasons why "oh it only worked this time" (which, by the way, the official explanation is that the hyperspace tracker only works by existing partially in hyperspace, that's why they could ram the fleet in hyperspeed), but the real problem is that they never set up chekov's gun. Like, they never established this as a possibility, so it feels like a complete Deus Ex Machina. It doesn't feel triumphant to me, when I first saw it I was like "what the hell? That was an option the whole time?"

pizzamonkey

2024-11-19 07:14:28 +0000 UTC

I really disliked this movie for a multitude of reasons but I’ll trim the fat and talk about my 3 main things. 1: The fight choreography was horrendous. As a martial artist we are taught to always attack with purpose and not have any wasted motion as it burns energy, gives tells on what you’re going to do, and leaves you exposed. Just watch the throne room fight scene it’s a jumbled mess. Watch the guards and how they just spin and miss on purpose. It’s horrible and just all around clunky and bad. 2: The destruction of Luke as a character was terrible, as well as a lot of the writing of characters. They absolutely ruined Luke Skywalker in this movie with making him this horrible character that refuses to acknowledge the light side of the force in a good way. He abandoned his beliefs and did a complete 180 of how he was in Episode VI and even in the games and expanded lore. Along with that, Finn for me fell into the trope of being the comedic black character, which will be seen a bit more in Episode IX. They also made Poe this complete asshole, different from how he was in Episode VII. Don’t get me wrong you can still make him a bit more arrogant, but they made him seem almost incompetent and immature when he’s meant to be a solid leader in the Resistance. 3: The Holdo Maneuver is undoubtedly the dumbest thing they could have done. If they could’ve done that, why not do it to the Death Star? Why didn’t the Galactic Republic or the Separatists use that move in the Clone Wars? It makes little sense at all as when jumping into Hyperspace, you go into an alternate dimension. You do an initial speed up but you go into this other dimension as you travel through Hyperspace. When you go into Hyperspace you need to use coordinates to navigate around stars and planets not because you’ll crash in/through them, but because of the gravity wells/gravitational pull these objects in space have. They can essentially pull the ship out of Hyperspace by causing it to slow down from the effect of gravity from a planet, moon or star. Sure ramming has been a thing in Star Wars in the past, but never light speed ramming as it essentially breaks the cannon of slipping into an alternate dimension, and discrediting all older space battles, as you could just call upon one soldier to sacrifice their life and single handedly destroy a massive space station or fleet.

Fifteen343

2024-11-18 09:55:25 +0000 UTC

I think the biggest problem outside of Luke in this movie, is that canto bite could have been completely removed, we did not need the finn story at all if this is what they were gonna do with it. It did not equate to anything. Luke having a dumb death on a rock after people had not seen him for 40 years is insane. If you want to kill him then just send him there, not some dumb force clone that can not do anything

Maxxman

2024-11-18 00:35:51 +0000 UTC

A lot of people really don't like Luke's characterization throughout this whole movie, and I get it but I actually really like it. No issue with those who don't, but I do wanna state my case lol. In terms of Luke's lapse in judgement, I feel like the "Because I was a legend" thing plays into what happened with Kylo Ren. Luke saved his father years and years ago, and had since been built up by everyone around him as The Guy Who Beat The Dark Side. Having way more time as a legend than the man who inspired it took its toll, and for the briefest of moments he felt like he had to do what was expected of him as opposed to what was right. The (presumably) first time Luke had really dealt with the Dark Side since Vader, thinking about all that was wrought by it before, Luke was influenced by his own mythologization. Like he said, it was over in an instant, but it's just bad luck for that instant to be when Ben woke up. By the time Rey finds him he's grown up even more from that flashback. The fact that one of his first lessons was that "The Force does not belong to the Jedi. To say that if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity" is a direct result of him learning from the failure with Ben. This all also plays into my favourite theme of this movie, which is challenging expectations. Every major character struggles to understand something that's a lot more complicated than they thought, and Rey's is her idea of The Force and Luke Skywalker. I'll fully admit it's a little weird to show a character having gone through some growth without showing what they grew from until later, so it I get why it feels so out of character even in the context of the movie on its own. I'm just a sucker for plotlines that challenge expectations in established worlds (I also like Legend of Korra more than A:tLA even if I think the latter is better overall), so I like it a lot. Again, no hate/sass/argument with anyone who doesn't like this. I just wanted to share why I do.

Zannimask

2024-11-17 21:57:19 +0000 UTC

The reason why he would kill Kylo Ren is that people aren't perfect. During the fight with Vader, he was tempted by the Dark Side. When his feelings for his sister were manipulated, he was thrown into a rage, and tried to kill him. The only thing that stopped him from falling to the Dark Side was cutting off his father's hand, realizing they both had lost a hand in their past. This can also be said to echo Luke's training on Dagobah, where killing the fake Vader revealed Luke's face in his helmet. Luke is, according to canon, capable of such temptation. In The Last Jedi, Luke had just destroyed the Empire, had killed the greatest evil in the Emperor, and in that moment, he feared that a new, greater threat may be brewing in Ben, which could cause untold destruction and a resurgence. Like the Jedi before him, he created that very threat, and it can be said that this is another echo, being that the Jedi are why the Empire exists, why Palpatine became so powerful, and Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Luke was able to overcome the weaknesses of the Jedi because of Yoda's words of wisdom about the flaws of the Jedi, flaws that Luke clung to as part of his belief in them. The film ends with Luke dying after doing the most impressive thing a Jedi has done and, without lifting a finger, managed to inspire people across the galaxy in the Jedi while also making the First Order look weak. I can't imagine how people think Luke's character was assassinated. As far as "Disney hates white men" that's really silly. They made a movie about Buzz Lightyear (and I mean it sucked, but that doesn't impact that fact), and they made a new Indiana Jones movie. In Star Wars even, they literally made a series about a white guy called Andor (and it's awesome). If we look at the MCU, white guys are still highly prominent. Guardians stars a white guy, Deadpool and Wolverine are white guys, Ant-Man is a white guy, Thor is a white guy, Spider-Man is a white guy. What you're experiencing is not a lack of white guy protagonists, you're experiencing an increase in protagonists who aren't white guys. It's not comparable to The Avengers, where the protagonists were five white men and one white woman. As far as that audio, the leak came from someone known to intentionally edit footage to make it sound worse than it actually was. In this case, a lot of people claim that this Disney executive said that they refuse to hire white men; the actual footage was recounting that there were times when they would say they wouldn't hire a white man for certain, specific roles. It should be noted too that this executive is himself critical of Disney for this, particularly claiming that he was not given raises or promotions because he was a white man. He also claims that a large portion of writers are gay and/or trans and write stories about gay/trans people, which I literally don't know that I can think of any Disney stories that are gay or trans, at least in film. When there's gay or trans content in Disney works, it either is very minor (ie the Beauty and the Beast live-action remake), or it causes the show to get cancelled (such as was the case with The Owl House). Using him as the only source that this is the culture at Disney is very suspect, given that he clearly thinks it's bad that Disney is this way and feels aggrieved by Disney. "I was oppressed for being a white man" is something I see all the time from people who have never been near oppression.

Aubrey Bryn

2024-11-17 00:58:30 +0000 UTC

To elaborate further on this, The main reason the "Purple Haired Feminist" complaint was a thing was because Holdo treated a leadership role like feminists often do, and she acted like a feminist, instead of being the LEADER she was supposed to be. I've spent a majority of my life in the military, and in order to progress in rank there are multiple leadership classes that you are required to take. I'd only taken the first one just to become an NCO, and she broke EVERY rule there is. Demeaned her soldiers, was unresponsive to needs/complaints, and was invisible with their assistance. What's worse is that every action from both a leadership and tactical role just point to her being a spy or a saboteur. When one of your most trusted war heroes of current memory is begging and demanding for at least confirmation that there IS a plan, not even asking what it is, just looking for some level of confidence that there's something that they have, but you still refuse to even give them that, you're absolutely worthy of being removed from command. So then what did she actually DO that was of note? She insulted and demeaned the fleets most accomplished serving officer and war hero. She constantly snapped at him and insulted him for various traits seen as masculine, or used those traits themselves as insults. She refused to elaborate on any plan, refused any input or advice, made constant foolish or nonsensical orders all without consult of any of her nearby and more experienced advisors. These are the actions of a Feminist, not a leader.

Lux Volans

2024-11-16 19:33:23 +0000 UTC

One thing I will say, is even at the end of episode 6, Luke was still acting on instinct at times, instead of his training. The only reason he beat Vader, was because he went into a blind rage at the thought of Leia being turned to the dark side. So even at the end of Episode 6, Luke was not a paria of a Jedi.

KingSnitchGaming

2024-11-16 16:16:33 +0000 UTC

Look i’m not good with conversation okay 😭

DarkChaos

2024-11-16 07:03:01 +0000 UTC

so your original comment was wrong lmao. I agree the movies are garbage. I just think it's hilariously stupid to say THIS movie didn't try anything new, for all the reasons you mentioned and more.

Harper

2024-11-16 07:00:12 +0000 UTC

Holdo was hated because she did nothing to be liked. She shows up out of nowhere, immediately demeans a fan favourite character, and then acts in a way that seems incompetent by keeping her plans hidden for no apparent reason, then breaks long standing lore with her self sacrifice.. The purple haired feminist point was simply the closest commonly recognized stereotype she fell into, and considering how KK and Disney execs were acting seemed fitting

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-16 06:50:04 +0000 UTC

I agree with you it is mostly just really bad writing and your right it doesn't (and shouldn't) have much to do with racism but it can't be ignored that Disney has shown time and again in recent years that they really not like whit men. Have you seen that leaked interview where that Disney (I think an exec? someone that works at Disney hiring people) basically confirms that Disney does not want to hire white men....I mean like fuck what can you really say to that? it's bad really bad and shouldn't happen...refusing an entire group of people jobs not because of skills but because they are white males is just plain bad and is racist no different from it being racist to black people or Asian people. does this mean that the decisions made are necessarily because Disney have a real hated for white men and the idea of portraying them as main characters let alone good guys is horrible to them....but we can't rule it out either and considering the sort of people that I have seen writing the shows after these movies (Mainly the acolyte because Jesus Christ) then I am hard pressed to believe that it wasn't at least effecting the direction of the movies. Do I hope that you are right and that it is just bad writing? yes....though that wouldn't make it any better either...

GingerBread

2024-11-15 21:53:17 +0000 UTC

Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. It's not racism, its bad writing and insufficient knowledge or deliberate change from canon or extended canon.

Slipped Halo

2024-11-15 21:02:01 +0000 UTC

Lore wise this is true, but narratively it doesn't feel that way. Especially when Prequel Jedi have basically no backstory precisely because they were taken into the Order as babies. None of them had been slaves or fighter pilots or miners or doctors or smugglers or anything else; the summation of their life experience is as Jedi. Anakin was basically the first Jedi Knight to come from a non-Jedi background in a long time. It also reminds me of Luke gathering new trainees back during the Legends era, where he'd recruit them from all over the galaxy and all of various backgrounds that colored their biases and specializations in the Force as they trained.

dotH4CK3R

2024-11-15 15:29:33 +0000 UTC

It’s a weird situation with established characters like that. Because it is usually good storytelling to give them some sort of character arc, they can’t exactly be the character you’re imagining for the majority of the story. It’s one of the reasons it’s a lot harder to write satisfying stories around “pet characters.” They either have to start as the character you’re imagining and then develop out of it. Or they have to start as a different character and develop into the character you’re imagining.

Rakoon Shampoo

2024-11-15 14:26:44 +0000 UTC

I mean, the problem with the idea that a new generation of Jedi can come from anywhere is that... This was always the case? The Jedi never gave a crap about who you were born to, the only requirement they had in the OG was old you were when the Jedi found you. And that was a relatively recent thing in the history of the Jedi, born out of the Prequel Era's Jedi being particularly rigid and dogmatic.

BirthdayParty

2024-11-15 13:38:58 +0000 UTC

I actually liked the sequel trilogy on first watch in cinema and that is clearly due to thinking that Star wars couldn't be bad but now every time I see any sequel movie again it only ever get's worse. The character assassination of Luke Skywalker in this movie is truly unforgivable especially after learning about Legends Luke Skywalker and what we could and should have gotten. If Luke trusted and saved his father from Darth Vader and the Emperor then why the fuck would he ever try to kill Kylo? that is just poor writing probably because Disney nowadays despises the idea of white man being the main lead and a good guy.

GingerBread

2024-11-15 11:04:37 +0000 UTC

No, TLJ was not the best in the sequels. To be fair, it is barely beat out at second place, but that's because so much of TFA is criminally underrated in how bad it actually is from the writing standpoint. Several of the premises that this trilogy were based off of have no leg to stand on and fall apart under the barest thought or scrutiny. All of these films are struggling to reach a 3/10 at best. And the mystery box guy complaint is valid, but it absolutely wasn't his fault there. This is all absolutely on Disney's plate. JJ Had some ideas, some plans, and contents for what was in those mystery boxes. Rian Johnson then completely threw out EVERY SINGLE Plot thread in the trilogy! So then what the hell did JJ have to work with? I'm going to avoid going too deep into the three-movie arc and consequences for spoiler purposes; but we can now see that Disney was absolutely making these films one-by-one with no real plan, and reacting to them based off of criticisms by fans. SW:TFA; Let's make something similar to the originals to try and re-claim some of the fanbase back. SW:TLJ: OK, we were TOO close to the originals. Let's take the guy known for subversive expectations who's only made one "good" movie to try and kick it in another direction. [SW:TROS; Redacted.] And there is so much evidence of this. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimately respectable things that Rian Johnson was trying to do here. The problem is that he's a terrible writer, has never and cannot maintain a thread for a three part series, and is far more interested in making art that is divisive rather than good(And yes, he has literally said this.) While it is not the worst movie in this trilogy, you can absolutely point to it and say, "This is where the trilogy failed."

Lux Volans

2024-11-15 05:35:20 +0000 UTC

The miraculous fumble of the sequel trilogy has been studied many a time, but the fumbling of Finn in particular, is insane. The idea of a defecting Stormtrooper becoming a Resistance leader and possibly Jedi master was amazing, and seeing some of the concept art for it is always awesome. But that didn't happen. And to be honest, he was fine for Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, until the sacrifice scene, or lack thereof. It would've been a great resolution for his character, to finally face his reoccurring fear and stop running away when things get hard, and sacrifice himself to give the rest of the Resistance a chance. And then he actually doesn't get to do it and more people die, and then he doesn't even do anything in the movie after.

Ellerian

2024-11-15 05:10:08 +0000 UTC

So a bit late, but the thing about the first six movies is that while there was a lot that was changed during and after each movie as produced, and Lucas did get other people to direct some of the movies for him, he was still the main creative voice in the project and steered it the direction he hand in mind. The problem with the new Trilogy is that they didn't have a direction. Disney kind of just picked out three different directors, one for each movie, without any of the three apparently really talking or working together to pen out what the new trilogy would look like exactly. On top of the guy they got for the first movie was jj abram whose entire thing is the "mystery box" type of story telling which is why you get a bunch of random stuff like Rei getting those visions and hearing Obi's voice and Dearth Vader breathing, the mystery of her parents, the reason why that lightsaber called to her, etc. To Abrams posing the question is more important than having a satisfying answer and that's not even like a critism of mine, he's litterally talk about how this is how he makes movies, you can find the clip on youtube. This movie got a bunch of weird fan hate for kind of reason (Holdo became their most hated character because they claimed she was a purple haired feminist who. . . did something, I honestly don't even know they were pretty dumb complaits) so then Disney panicked and had Abbrams come back and make the third movie which. . . well, you'll make up your own minds about it when you watch, but like, keep in mind that movie was made at least partially to appease fandom hate for this movie more than and it'll make more sense.

RF

2024-11-15 00:01:08 +0000 UTC

Lol, this was lit the best movie of the sequel trilogy. The mistake was picking the Mystery Box dude to direct the first one and then fold to weird fan backslash in the third movie.

RF

2024-11-14 23:48:01 +0000 UTC

It was at this point that fans started to realize that Disney had no plan for what was happening. There are very good reasons that this movie is often described as the dick-drawing in the middle of a sketch. It doesn't actually fit in with the trilogy, and is a logical, character, writing, and lore disaster. On top of that, so many things just are so tragic when you realize that we will never be able to get the OT gang together again, this was Carrie Fisher's last movie before she tragically passed.

Lux Volans

2024-11-14 19:00:39 +0000 UTC

1:54:50 the mysterious disappearing dagger!

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 11:54:47 +0000 UTC

Seems like something worth delaying the movie a month and re-editing some stuff in post, but maybe that's just me...

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 11:08:58 +0000 UTC

Solid positive note for me personally! The Holdo maneuver. I was playing tabletop Star Wars Saga Edition a year before this movie came out. I had the idea of buying our ship a parasite fighter with light speed capability with a basic pilot droid. My plan was that if we ever got caught by a Star destroyer or something of the like, we could sacrifice about 1/3 of our loot and get away while the parasite UCAV functioned as a Fire Ship! The DM told me that plan wouldn't work... After Holdo Maneuver, I texted him from the Theater (Dec, 16, 17) " So, looks like my plan back from our first star wars game was pretty good Haha (Crashing a ship at lightspeed into an enemy ship too big to take out conventionally)" I have the screenshot of our FB message to back it up!!!

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 11:02:32 +0000 UTC

Please react to the How It Should Have Ended (HISHE) video of this movie! They actually have one for each Star Wars movie, and do a fantastic job if you wanted to wait until after episode 9

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 09:59:19 +0000 UTC

Too true.

Ian Hodge

2024-11-14 09:28:20 +0000 UTC

The fact that IMMEDIATELY after that, Poe Asked Leia "Permission to jump in an X-wing and blow something up?" And her responding "Permission granted." Reinforces that point. Edit: followed by Hux yelling at Kylo "We can't cover you at this distance. Return to the fleet." You say "happenstance justifies nothing." As if this were real warfare, not a fully scripted and completely fictional movie!

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 09:02:01 +0000 UTC

Tactically, I still think Poe made a good call, but will agree Leia was acting appropriately to demote him for insubordination. However, from the slap (which is a personal action) and her words "dead heroes, no leaders" her intent seemed to be to push him to be a Leader rather than seeking glory (or blindly following orders, like his squadron had done.) The problem is, and always has been Holdo taking authority, and acting poorly with it. She stepped in out of nowhere and made a bunch of calls that seem irrational and dangerous. Poe acting against her Was him stepping up to be a leader caring about the fleet and Resistance. If happenstance justifies nothing, Holdo was demonstrated to be incompetent for command, and insubordination against Her was justified. Blindly following bad and morally questionable orders is what the Empire and First Order do.

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 08:54:43 +0000 UTC

It's just the original trilogy done with a girl Mc who can do everything better than every master Jedi we've seen before. No new ideas, just ones that mess with the originals. Disrespectful tbh. Also Leia dying around this time irl this was released.. they should have given her the major moment sacrifice and given Luke reason to return and interfere... instead of the garbage we got. R.i.p

Nate D.

2024-11-14 08:23:28 +0000 UTC

The big difference in fan reaction was the existence of social media, and the show runners lumping everyone who dislikes it into the same group as Twitter trolls and insulting the fanbase (something they still constantly do)

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 07:27:11 +0000 UTC

I will admit this film is much better than I remember it to be. I still fkin hate what they did to Luke’s character it’s like i understand he blames himself for the first order and Ben turning to the darkside. But your really telling me the same Luke who sacrificed his jedi training to save his friends and believed in the jedi ways so much that he was willing to die at the hands of his father just for a chance to bring him back to the light; Then he goes on to be a hermit on a deserted planet leaving his friends and family to start the war he started….. like wtf. Also when you find out why Ben turned it’s even more out of character for Luke. And yes I understand there is a correlation between Luke in this film and Yoda in episode 5 but they left for very different reasons. Yoda had zero chance to defeat the empire he went into exile as penance for his failure to stop the emperor before he took power, as well as a place to learn how to become one with the first after death by his pupil Qui Gon (yes it’s not shown in the films but it does happen later on in one of the side stories in the clone wars)

Nightmareman99

2024-11-14 07:26:15 +0000 UTC

The entire 40+ minutes just leads to someone looking out the window, which is all it took to undo Holdo's super duper secret plan..

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 07:21:27 +0000 UTC

Yeah, there are just some things that cross a line and you can't make the audience at large sympathize for a character after, so making that the main character is doomed to fail from the start. Like Cruella, it doesn't matter if you make Dalmatians kill her mom, none of that excuses or makes me sympathetic to her becoming someone that wants to skin puppies and wear their fur

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 07:19:28 +0000 UTC

New things such as: Progressing nowhere in the plot, ruining Luke’s character, adding a cute marketable alien (I’m really sick of this happening), killing off what could have been an interesting villain only to reveal in the next movie that it was the most basic unoriginal idea ever, also weirdly not killing off leia despite the fact that Carrie Fisher had sadly passed away. Sure there are new ideas, are they good? No

DarkChaos

2024-11-14 07:16:48 +0000 UTC

Just because it's new to star wars doesn't mean it's a new idea.. I guess you could give this one credit for starting the Disney theme of insulting legacy characters though

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 07:10:18 +0000 UTC

2:14:03 Sadly her actress got a lot of death threats from fans who thought that Fin should be with Rey and not Rose

Trevor Appel

2024-11-14 06:59:55 +0000 UTC

Boy they destroyed my boy Luke soooo hard, I could never imagine him assassinating a child because of the possibility of the dark side emerging in him, is he just stupid after ep 6 or what

Nate D.

2024-11-14 06:55:36 +0000 UTC

saying unoriginal ideas on this of all movies is insane lmao. 7 is pretty creatively bankrupt but 8 does a lot of new things, you can't deny that

Harper

2024-11-14 06:54:40 +0000 UTC

My favorite of the series. This then Empire then Hope then Jedi then Sith then Awakens then Menace then Clones and then there are no more mainline Star Wars movies besides those. Nope.

DRedd

2024-11-14 06:50:14 +0000 UTC

Upon rewatches for me, it's like the writers served goose liver instead of cake at a young child's birthday party. Possibly in a deliberate attempt to avoid answerable criticism, I think a lot of questionable decisions carry double meaning. Many found it off-putting when Luke chucks the lightsaber, seemingly treating it like trash. To me, Luke is careless with the object because he is so skilled, the entire world basically serves as his storage trunk. They're basically showing us that he has at least reached the same level as Yoda in New Hope. One strange duck of a movie.

E. H.

2024-11-14 05:29:31 +0000 UTC

For context, I was hardcore into star wars at the time. I couldn't make the midnight release, but I was there the next day in cosplay with ultra sabers.. While watching I was mentally justifying all of TLJ right up until Space Mary Poppins.. Having known this was Carrie Fishers last movie because she had died earlier that year, the scene of her floating off into space had me tearing up as that was Obviously the final fairwell to her character..... And then she floated back!! That gut punch had me reeling and rethinking every excuse I had been making, and was why I left the theater hyper critical.. From there I also reevaluated TFA, which I had been optimistic about and had been defending the entire past year, and now felt betrayed by. Then the flame wars started with the media calling people that didn't like the movie "-ists" and "-phobes" when none of that had anything to do with the primary complaints fans actually had, and so I got pushed along with many others from being a diehard Star Wars fan, to being a Rebel against Disney over the next month or so..

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 04:46:22 +0000 UTC

J.J. Abrams based the plot of The Force Awakens around Luke's disappearance, never showed any interest in exploring why Luke might have disappeared, and dropped the fundamental premise of the movie in the second act to rehash the Death Star instead. There was never going to be a satisfying follow-up to that because there wasn't a coherent story to start with, despite it being set up as a new trilogy. A New Hope works both as the start of the original series and as a standalone narrative. The Force Awakens doesn't. It assumes the rest of the trilogy is going to answer key questions about plot, setting, and characters, but since none of those points were decided cohesively ahead of time, the series collapses on itself.

Rx1867

2024-11-14 04:42:47 +0000 UTC

I'm disappointed by the sequel trilogy as a whole, but I'll freely admit this is my favorite of the three, followed by TFA. Well, about half of it lol, everything to do with Rey and Luke and all the Jedi stuff (and Kylo). I even like the ideas it sets up for the next film, with Kylo being an angry, violent tyrant (contrasting Palpatine's subtler, insidious scheming), the idea that a new generation of Jedi can come from anywhere, Rey being a nobody and forging her own destiny, etc. I know a lot of people will disagree and dislike for a lot of the reasons I like it, but honestly I doubt it was gonna be anything but divisive anyways if they're trying to follow the pattern set by the OT. Iirc Empire Strikes Back was incredibly divisive, though obviously that isn't as evident with the modern fanbase.

dotH4CK3R

2024-11-14 03:57:11 +0000 UTC

This happens to be the one movie I went to the theatre to see by myself because no IRL friends wanted to go. *Had an enjoyable time.

E. H.

2024-11-14 02:43:50 +0000 UTC

Well I am not sure about Star wars being toxic or anything well not disney started making star wars then I can maybe see it? but even then I won't stop you liking stuff I don't....I will say that I dislike it and that I wish no liked it so Disney would be forced to change and make better stuff but that is basically what happened and nothing changed......anyways that is just me speaking so I obviously can't force you to do anything which is a good thing.

GingerBread

2024-11-14 02:16:14 +0000 UTC

The problem with Holdo has nothing to do with her being a woman, and everything to do with her having been objectively wrong. Her plan was idiotic. Without the "Holdo Maneuver" which wasn't part of her original plan, it would have gotten everyone killed. Her tactical and strategic competence is an entirely informed attribute, something that we hear other characters talk up but we never see evidence of on screen, and in fact see directly contradicted on screen...which is why it required a deus ex machina to write themselves out of a corner, and a deus ex machina that breaks the setting in a pretty fundamental way: Not just in that it required doing something that's literally established as impossible in the script from the first movie, but that in a world where that was possible space combat would look ENTIRELY different from the world of heavily gunned capital ships and manned starfighters we see. There are certainly a non-zero number of star war fans who are misogynists, in the sense that there are a non-zero number of [insert category covering tens of millions of people] are [insert trait], but the idea that the criticism of characters like Rey and Holdo can be reduced to "Oh they just hate women in authority" is nonsense, starting with Leia, Mon Mothma, Padme... For a look at how to do a character like Holdo and have her WORK, we can start with Honor Harrington from David Weber's Honorverse and move on to Esther McQueen from the same setting, Shannon Foraker, ditto, Michelle Henke, ditto. All extremely smart and talented female commanders in sci-fi naval combat. To that I'll add Tanya Desjani from Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series, and that's just sticking with really narrow and strict definition.

Linnaeus

2024-11-14 02:10:26 +0000 UTC

Second time I've watched this movie and I stand by my original thoughts, I don't care for this movie or the sequels in general, I feel they're poorly written and while I wouldnt say I think of them as good movies, I do think they have a lot of really good individual scenes and visuals that I did enjoy and I can appreciate that at least.

Archie Curlz

2024-11-14 01:42:34 +0000 UTC

This is a movie that has aged like like fine milk. I walked out of the theater going "huh...well there were certainly some...interesting choices made there..." but having enjoyed myself on net. Killing Snoke wasn't a deeply shocking thing for me since TFA didn't do enough work to establish him, but having Ren step in as the apparent ultimate villain who WOULDN'T be redeemed I thought was an interesting and potentially good direction. As others have noted there are a lot of good visuals. Luke's final showdown and the idea that it wasn't just about one family was a bit of a strawman but also a good way to move the franchise forward. But the more I sat with it, and the more I thought about the story (gravity bomber in space, the terrible way Luke was written, taking a perfectly good and meaningful onscreen death for Leia and then going "Nah!" for the sake of a force power bit that was just risible, The way the "Holdo Maneuver" makes an utter wreckage of the entire franchise's worldbuilding, Holdo herself being a great concept that was utterly mishandled in execution, Poe being lectured to when in fact completely correct even given Holdo's apparent master plan, and on, and on)...the more rancid that aftertaste got. Rewatches have not improved it. Fundamentally, The Last Jedi is a Star Wars film that doesn't actually like Star Wars very much, but rather sees it as a problem to be "fixed".

Linnaeus

2024-11-14 01:36:11 +0000 UTC

The fanbase in general wasn't toxic until this movie. Individuals sure, but that was the minority. Rian Johnson wanted to make movies that split opinions and opposed giving fans what they wanted to see, and he delivered on dividing the fanbase

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 01:35:14 +0000 UTC

It's not a fallacy, you have literally already seen Luke risk death rather than kill someone who was far more gone than Kylo Ren was at the time. That's not grappling with the complexity of human fallibility, that's ignoring fundamental aspects of a character because they don't mesh with the point you wanted to make. Which is poor writing.

Linnaeus

2024-11-14 01:24:33 +0000 UTC

Thank you. I really enjoyed this and all the sequel movies and think they get a lot of unnecessary hate. You did a good job of explaining why I really liked what they did with Luke here.

Triene (Katie)

2024-11-14 01:04:20 +0000 UTC

These movies get a lot of hate but I really enjoyed them. Star Wars has a toxic fan base and don’t like to let others enjoy things so… ye be warned.

Triene (Katie)

2024-11-14 01:02:53 +0000 UTC

Um, no. The actual utility the dreadnought would have had in that chase scenario is unknown, presumably it would have been useless or they'd have just warped in another one, like they warped in the Supremacy, that insanely huge Mega-class Star Dreadnought that Snoke was on, that was also useless; all of which is irrelevant, because the plan was warp away, which should have meant they shouldn't have been able to follow them, the fact they could was unprecedented, and in no way factored into his actions, even if the dreadnought would have posed a threat, happenstance justifies nothing.

Nazrel

2024-11-14 00:59:51 +0000 UTC

at around 1 hour 7 or 8 ish minutes that guy said "Ha-Tuk-Ga"

Yagi di Hoshi

2024-11-14 00:46:21 +0000 UTC

cant lie, pretty much how i feel, though it wasn't in the same night, my opinion on The Last Jedi declining has been a slow burn, every time I watch it there's something new wrong that I never noticed before, it's crazy

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:40:09 +0000 UTC

George Lucas, preferably Or someone that respected existing lore and/or ideas from Lucas for potential sequals.

Lucas_Oreki

2024-11-14 00:39:10 +0000 UTC

Kathleen Kennedy doing her job? noooooooo, impossible Hearing George Lucas talk about what he originally had written when Disney approached him about another trilogy just hits me with the espresso depresso knowing how good things might've been if any thought or planning was put into these

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:38:24 +0000 UTC

real shit when this hits youtube we gonna have to run for the hills

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:36:47 +0000 UTC

Addeand out here with the most concise and accurate description of how The Last Jedi failed as a sequel

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:36:24 +0000 UTC

If I wouldnt want to avoid spoiling episode IX I would ask you to name one single great idea from that movie lol. But i guess there was one, its not like i have seen the movie more than once. With episode VIII, you just rlly notice that Johnson is way better suited for standalone movies. I feel like all the different subplots from this movie would feel right at home in a noncanon anthology series like Star Wars Visions, just having fun with the universe and delivering interesting subversions about core themes of Star Wars. As a canon movie tho...

Lucas_Oreki

2024-11-14 00:35:55 +0000 UTC

It is actually the opposite for me, I liked this movie a lot when I first watched, thought it was better than Force Awakens. And i put a lot of weight in my first experience with media, so in truth, I will never hate this movie, but each time I watch it or think about it, it gets worse. Each time you consider what you're looking at for a little bit, everything starts falling apart. Why didn't anyone light speed ram the Death Star? Why are there so many force abilities we're just now learning about after thousands of years of the same ones? Why did Luke, the guy who was so convinced Darth Vader would overthrow the Emperor that he was literally willing to die to prove it, try to kill his nephew in his sleep (because of a dream)? Why is the fight after Snoke's death so ass, like seriously it's so badly choreographed, how did we go from Anakin vs Obi Wan to THIS? Man, some great ideas in the sequel trilogy, like damn Luke suffering a great loss and blaming himself, exhiling himself for the rest of the galaxy only to redeem himself and save what's left of it, that is an amazing idea. Executed it so poorly, compared to what could've been. And then it gets worse when you learn that George Lucas even had scripts and story outlines for the sequels, and then Disney said "nah, gonna do our own thing" and took all of the stuff that would've happened on-screen, the creation of Kylo Ren, the rise of the First Order in a chaotic lawless galaxy, and the failure of Luke Skywalker, and put it all in a 30-year time skip before Force Awakens. The fact we could've actually seen these character arcs instead of just the results of them is saddening. The motto of the sequel trilogy, truly, is missed potential.

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:35:14 +0000 UTC

can agree that many things in this movie are great in isolation, there's some straight-up wallpaper material in the third act, if only it weren't so lore-breaking, indecisive, and contrarian in nature what's so upsetting about the sequels is how much potential there was, and how much you WANT to like them, so many cool ideas in all 3 of them, that (if they had planned them out from the start) could have been great all the pieces are there, and we as the audience can see them, but somehow the puzzle's still incomplete by the end

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:27:00 +0000 UTC

This movie is not good, none of the sequels are. They’re all filled with unoriginal ideas because the writers of the sequel films weren’t bothered to pull from and expand upon the vast array of source material created while George Lucas was still in charge

DarkChaos

2024-11-14 00:25:20 +0000 UTC

They needed 1 director for 3 movies, and whichever they picked would have almost certainly been better than what we got.

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-14 00:24:20 +0000 UTC

@J-Rod i swear if disney stopped for a moment and actually came up with a plan, maybe even kept the same director all the way through, maybe even had ANYBODY ELSE make The Last Jedi, the sequel trilogy might've been held up there with the originals

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:23:47 +0000 UTC

See, that's great and all, but all the good ideas brought up in this movie were also shot down by the same movie. Getting rid of the Sith and Jedi and doing something in-between sounded like a cool idea, but then by the end of the movie the Sith stays a Sith and the wannabe Jedi stays a wannabe Jedi. This movie's full of things like that. I don't hate it, but the missed potential makes me like it less with each rewatch.

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:22:09 +0000 UTC

What was crazy to me is beforehand, when they were still doing press tours and interviews before it came out, Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) was already saying things like "I couldn't see him as the same Luke, I had to sort of think of him as a different character" and "At times I wasn't really sure about the choices but I had to have faith in Rian's vision". Bro already knew the vibe was off. And now he outwardly dunks on the movie on the regular, not even hiding it anymore, it's hilarious.

Ellerian

2024-11-14 00:17:10 +0000 UTC

You know you messed up when half of your main cast in the movie says it was terrible publicly

Noahthehoneyboy

2024-11-14 00:11:19 +0000 UTC

That's the thing - you are falling into the Great Man fallacy. Luke did X so he'd never do Y. But that's not how it works unfortunately. Humans are messy, complicated, contradictory, and no amount of training can erase that. The Jedi trying is what created Vader from Anakin. Luke spells it out to Rey that he got caught up in his own legend and that clouded his judgment. People want a perfect hero, but all there will ever be is imperfect people.

AbsurdToastling

2024-11-14 00:10:03 +0000 UTC

that WOULD be a fantastic idea for the story, but you're giving this movie way too much credit for a story it doesn't write well enough to portray such a thing. To get to the heart of the matter, the movie banks on the idea that Luke, a man who even at the HEIGHT of temptation to the dark side, saw through it for the truth, an sought the good in his father, even managing to bring his father back, would somehow fall prey to a fear from the dark side at a 'possibility' his student would fall to the dark side. Luke would NEVER try to kill someone like that, given his character and story from the original trilogy. Its absolutely horribly written, and haphazardly thrown together because they wanted to have that amazing introspection you talk about, but did NOTHING to properly achieve it in their writing.

John

2024-11-14 00:06:34 +0000 UTC

While that is a significant one, I have to disagree because there is an important time contextual issue. Carrie Fishers death, and space Mary Poppins. We are presently emotionally removed from that context, but at that time, Every Star Wars fan knew that Carrie had passed away recently and that this was her last movie. So, when Leia's son didn't pull the trigger, but that wasn't enough to save her from the people he sided with, and finally seeing her drifting into space.. It felt like a touching and respectful final goodbye to both the character and the actor..... Before getting kicked in the balls 10 seconds later!! That scene was so disrespectful at the time, there were several people that shouted "FUCK YOU!" at the day 1 showing I was at and walked out. That one scene scorched any charity fans would give the movie from that moment onward. That multiplied the Luke issue, since having lost Han and Leia as well, it felt to many like Disney was actively trying to disrespect and destroy the legacy characters... This is an important point in the timeline, because while there had always been toxic fans, Leia Poppins was what sparked the powder keg that split the fanbase as a whole into the "Disney Shills" and the "Toxic Fans."

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-13 23:56:03 +0000 UTC

dude, JJ is an aggressively mid writer who should never have gotten his mitts on star wars, and Rian was a poor fit to follow him in the "skywalker saga", but let's not pretend the trilogy would've been fine even if JJ got all three

Addeand

2024-11-13 23:55:22 +0000 UTC

Trying to set up requires to be substance in the first place. “Force Awakens” has the same benchmark of “setting things up” as a Scott Cawthon game.

PrivateXimmy

2024-11-13 23:50:59 +0000 UTC

I really respect Rian's attempt at commenting on the very coloured theming of the first six movies, but to me it feels discordant in the same way that lots of genre fiction which refuse to embrace the medium but want to keep the set pieces do.

Addeand

2024-11-13 23:50:30 +0000 UTC

Also The Force Awakens didn't try to "achieve something original". In fact if you look closely this movie had more callbacks to the original series than any of the other sequel movies, and not in a good way

J-Rod

2024-11-13 23:47:42 +0000 UTC

I hate to say this friend but your wrong in just about every account. The Force Awakens was written by J. J. Abrams who was trying to set up the rest of the trilogy. The The Last Jedi was written by Rian Johnson who spent the whole movie destroying all the plot points of The Force Awakens with Rian Johnson himself saying in an early interview that he wanted to create a movie for the soul purpose of dividing fans and making them hate it (I'm not even joking here). The Rise of Skywalker was once again written by J. J. Abrams (I don't know why they kept switching) who had to come up with some way to end the trilogy after having all his pot points destroyed.

J-Rod

2024-11-13 23:44:55 +0000 UTC

That was a major part of why so many felt insulted by the Mary Poppins scene.. We all knew she died and this was her last movie. So Leia's son not pulling the trigger, but that not saving her from the people he sided with, and then her drifting into space seemed a touching and respectful goodbye to both Carrie and Leia.... Before getting kicked in the balls 10 seconds later!

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-13 23:41:51 +0000 UTC

You say Poe "got a lot of people killed." Doing what again? Destroying the massive long range guns on the ship that chased them, right? If the ship had those guns, would the chase have lasted long enough for Holdo to even try her plan? This movie was an excellent example of the consequences of authority figures who care more about their authority being respected than the lives of the people under their authority

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-13 23:36:20 +0000 UTC

Haven't gotten around to watching the Star Wars reactions yet, I'm sure I'll enjoy the reactions to the earlier films. But I won't be watching any of these. I despise the sequel trilogy. And this film in particular. It's funny that Andor, despite no one watching it initially, is the only good piece of media that Disney has released in their tenure (Rogue One has moments but also a lot of problems). I'm ready for Star Wars to just go away for a while. Maybe if they gave it ten years it could have a chance to recover. But Disney is going to keep running it into the ground trying to make back their investment. I miss Star Wars.

Sir Is Watching

2024-11-13 23:35:48 +0000 UTC

Indeed...

Vendacator

2024-11-13 23:29:35 +0000 UTC

I rember walking out of the theater saying to my friend "Snoke dying better have been a force projection, or this movie was absolutely stupid, and the next one is doomed!" It was the last new Star Wars I watched, and from what I've heard, I haven't missed anything, because while this movie was divisive, the next one wasn't in a predictable way..

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-13 23:28:02 +0000 UTC

I don't get why that's such a big thing to people.. Yeah, a random kid is force sensitive, and Ep 1 pretty solidly established that the Jedi searched for and recruited force sensitive random kids. The force being Strong in the Skywalker bloodline doesn't mean the force Only existed in bloodlines

QuibblesAndGitz

2024-11-13 23:21:23 +0000 UTC

This is definitely one of the star wars movies of all time.

TjAlien

2024-11-13 23:05:09 +0000 UTC

as a die hard star wars fan this is the best analysis of the movie ive seen.

Pirate King Buggy D. Clown

2024-11-13 23:03:17 +0000 UTC

As a die hard, life long Star Wars fan of 30+ years, this is the second time I have watched this movie.

Doxin

2024-11-13 23:00:56 +0000 UTC

The most controversial thing about this movie and the reason fans HATE it is because of the apparent change in Luke's character. But the central theme of the film is that legends are never more than just that, and that purportedly Great Men are still just men. The old has purpose, but to cling to what was or an idealized version of what you thought it was will only lead to stagnation - to move forward, one must look past the old, past the legend, and see the forest for the trees. And I've always greatly admired this as my favorite Star Wars film for taking such a bold stance like that. In calling Rey a nobody, in breaking down Luke's legend, in highlighting the failures of the Jedi Order, it enforces the idea that nobody is special or exempt from humanity. The wisest masters can still fall prey to their demons, if only for a second - but that second can be all it takes. The Skywalkers aren't holy, Rey doesn't need to be some big name successor, Luke doesn't need to be perfect, and the Jedi were no less imperfect than the Republic or the Sith. We must look beyond and grow, but you can't grow if you cling to what was. It was very beautiful and poignant to me. Something I NEVER expected Star Wars, which is the quintessential "One Great Chosen One" story of modern pop culture, to ever consider taking a stab at. All the reasons diehard fans hated it were why I love it. It's been such a fun time revisiting this after so many years. I actually like it even more now. What a statement.

AbsurdToastling

2024-11-13 22:47:50 +0000 UTC

Hoo boy this movie does not get better the more times you watch it.

Okoga

2024-11-13 22:18:26 +0000 UTC

With Luke I like the idea that his legend grew beyond him and that the reason for his exile was his failure to save Ben when he had been the one who managed to save Vader, but yes, the way they portray the moment of that failure never quite convinced me (not that he failed, but how he failed).

Dante Auditore

2024-11-13 22:15:27 +0000 UTC

What a nice ending to this movie. The redeemable villain turned out not to be. Rey, who was looking for someone to tell her what her role is, learns that she is the one who decides it. Yep. This is definitely the direction and it's not going to change...

Dante Auditore

2024-11-13 22:11:36 +0000 UTC

film starts ohhhh right the super cheesy Leia scene 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jorden Powell

2024-11-13 21:59:20 +0000 UTC

The throne room fight scene is so bad 😅...

Jorden Powell

2024-11-13 21:56:41 +0000 UTC

100%

Jorden Powell

2024-11-13 21:56:25 +0000 UTC

The Last Jedi is the best of the sequels because it's the only one that strives to achieve something original and everything wrong with it can be directly attributed to terrible writing decisions made in The Force Awakens. This is the hill I choose to die on.

Rx1867

2024-11-13 21:50:34 +0000 UTC

I am not gonna lie, I rlly fought hard against my confirmation bias holding me up from watching this just because Alicia wrote in the description that she likes it, thats how much I hated this movie when I first watched it in cinema. I am glad I watched it again. Not that I suddenly love it, i dislike so many choices Rian Johnson made in this, above all how he handled Luke. But there is no denying that he at least had his distinct vision and that the movie is beautifully shot. I would definitely have preferred to see him return as director for episode IX for reasons that will become obvious once we watch that xD.

Lucas_Oreki

2024-11-13 21:45:44 +0000 UTC

The Last Jedi and its consequences have been a disaster for fandom-kind Also..... its just kinda ass ngl. The upside is that now we get to go to the next one, the FUNNIEST star wars movie (unintentional) and I cant wait

Slurp

2024-11-13 21:44:10 +0000 UTC

The only redeeming quality of this movie is that it's still better than the next one... And this trilogy would be infinately better by not involvning any of the original cast if they can't do them justice.

Erik Nilsson

2024-11-13 21:43:14 +0000 UTC

This is the movie that killed Star Wars for me. I still love the OT and the prequels, but I just cannot bring myself to like this movie. I remember watching it in the theater, almost forcing myself to find whatever was good about it, but when I started actually thinking, there were so many things that just made me apathetic. It's not even that it's horrible. Visually, it has some absolutely stunning shots, but when I really start to think about it, everything just unravels. There are a number of little things I could bring up, and a number of bigger things that everyone already talked about, but the biggest issue of them all is the overall feeling of lack of cohesion. That's what ultimately makes me just feel nothing when thinking of this movie. It retroactively makes the first movie of the sequels worse, and it just feels like a mishmash of ideas with no follow through, no afterthought, no forethought either, and it's just disappointing. There are some good ideas, but even they just fizzle out unceremoniously. I always hear people praise that this movie somehow subverts expectations. It does subvert expectations, but it does so in the worst way possible.

DrFoto

2024-11-13 21:24:10 +0000 UTC

this movie has a lot of really good elements to it, it's just constructed around a denouncement of the ideals the series is grounded in.

Addeand

2024-11-13 20:58:55 +0000 UTC

I think the lesson we should learn from Luke is that even though he had training, and became a "legend", he is still a flawed person. People instinctually kill spiders because they are afraid of them, and Luke's primal kneejerk reaction was to kill the threat before him because he was scared. And because he followed his instinct just once, everyone suffers the consequences.

Vincent

2024-11-13 20:40:41 +0000 UTC

It was truly blasphemous

Vendacator

2024-11-13 20:34:45 +0000 UTC

I think they did, if you listen to his monologue in the second lesson. The "Legend" was like every Jedi before him, full of vanity and hubris. He felt like he had a duty to protect the galaxy, and there is a debate that if Obi-wan went through with it on Mustafar, thousands of lives could have been saved. The Emperor's rise is only as effective with a Vader by his side. Same with Snoke.

Jimmy H Lam

2024-11-13 20:27:04 +0000 UTC

Because Poe went off script, got a lot of people killed, was demoted; then pretended that last part didn't happen, arrogantly demanded he be kept in the loop and part of the decision making process, on things beyond the scope of his authority. Sure, no great reason to keep the plan from everyone, but also no real reason to tell anyone until they needed to know; plenty of reason to tell Poe, specifically, to %$#* off.

Nazrel

2024-11-13 20:25:39 +0000 UTC

Only thing I have a hard time overlooking with this movie is the character assassination of Luke.

D Gaijin

2024-11-13 19:58:58 +0000 UTC

Nice part of the movie is at the end and you see the kid sweeping the floor you see him use the force a little to get his broom. Its a half second but its nice that it shows there are people out there especially in the next generation that are force sensitive.

Kieren

2024-11-13 19:56:59 +0000 UTC

Have never left the cinema more dissapointed and confused

Jasmin Jakobsen

2024-11-13 19:47:53 +0000 UTC

Honestly my complaint with this movie always stems from the trailer the trailer for this made me think 'Oh Luke is the last Jedi because Ray? She is going to be something new, something that takes the mistakes of the Jedi order, and forges something new, something Luke can't do because.... he was taught by the Old Order, Luke is the last Jedi Ray will be the start of a new Force Order...'

Andy me

2024-11-13 19:38:43 +0000 UTC

what the sequel series did to Luke as a character completely ruins them for me. there's a lot of other issues with them but the number 1 thing they got wrong for me was Luke's character. he would never have given up on Kylo Ren (Ben Solo) just look at how he never gave up on his father, Darth Vader, one of the most evil and horrible people in the galaxy. knowing the original expanded universe material it's a sin that this is the direction they chose to take the series

Cameron

2024-11-13 19:33:56 +0000 UTC

I guess this movie can be fun while making jokes about it constantly. I don't like it if I'm taking everything seriously though. Kinda just feels off compared to others.

Destroy4Fun

2024-11-13 19:32:40 +0000 UTC

This movie for me was alright. I remember luke being the beast that he is, I remember still having hope Finn would eventually do cool Jedi stuff in the finale.

OscarGrump

2024-11-13 19:29:59 +0000 UTC

It really kinda sucks if if you like this one or not cause the directors of the sequel trilogy had so many major disagreements about the story and decided to have an argument with their movies

Patrick McIntyre

2024-11-13 19:29:46 +0000 UTC

true, she knew he was a loose cannon, why set him off

Badgersan

2024-11-13 19:25:28 +0000 UTC

On rewatch? Yeah, honestly I think this movie was pretty decent! Maybe Luke failing Ben could have been a bit different, hard to see that, but I liked the composition a lot! Most of the dialogue, a lot of great shots. I wouldn’t say I loved it, but easily the strongest of the three. Oh god 9 is next.

PrivateXimmy

2024-11-13 19:15:43 +0000 UTC

I’m so glad she liked this movie, but I’m also terrified that she’s gonna get flooded with the absolute worst side of the fandom.

Heckle

2024-11-13 19:09:02 +0000 UTC

Such a random thing lol

Lukundra

2024-11-13 18:56:09 +0000 UTC

That I get, leaks and whatnot. What I don't get is why she didn't tell them there WAS a plan, and the general lack of reassurance.

hemahemahema

2024-11-13 18:51:56 +0000 UTC

Agreed. I do actually like TLJ more or less. My biggest gripe is with Luke's character assassination. I loved that it felt like they were going in a different direction than the original trilogy, which was welcome since VII felt like a copy of IV. My only issue thereafter is that IX feel like it isn't choesive and that it backpedals from the decisions made in VIII.

Wil DeYoung

2024-11-13 18:51:07 +0000 UTC

Love how leia and the general risked a mutiny just to teach one guy a lesson.

M

2024-11-13 18:48:54 +0000 UTC

Watch that little boy in the end reach for the broom, look carefully enough you'll see it moved to him on its own. That boy be a natural force sensitive.

David Willard

2024-11-13 18:31:27 +0000 UTC

In terms of sitting down and rewatching I have this movie above TFA and the next one. However at the same time I can 100 percent point out and agree with a good portion of the problems with this movie. I can also say this movie would have never been made had JJ Abram’s, Kathleen Kennedy and Disney actual did their job and have a complete storyline template set up for all three movies for their directors and writers to follow. It still blows my mind people say this is the worst movie of the new trilogy when Rise of Skywalker exists.

Robert Collard

2024-11-13 18:22:04 +0000 UTC

This was the best movie in the Skywalker saga since Empire.

Eliteguard99

2024-11-13 18:21:14 +0000 UTC

Do not like this movie at all,but I am glad that you enjoy it.

BewearKing64

2024-11-13 18:13:02 +0000 UTC

Glad you enjoyed it, but I'm among those who this one just killed the franchise for me. It has numerous writing problems, numerous presentation problems, and a HUGE world break (which they might have embraced for the next movie and kinda repaired but instead they didn't). Coming fresh out of the theatre I was maybe willing to give it a 7/10, but by the time I got home I was already down to 5/10 and it just kept falling as I thought on it. Funny thing is, I think it COULD have worked with just some repairs here and there to patch up bit of poorly thought out writing, but such was not to be.

Derekloffin

2024-11-13 18:06:13 +0000 UTC

I still don't get why holdo didn't just tell them the plan

Badgersan

2024-11-13 18:03:59 +0000 UTC

I like this movie too. I actually put it as my third or fourth favourite in the franchise. I like the expectation subversion and I do think this one holds up on its own.

Asher Morris

2024-11-13 17:52:45 +0000 UTC

Out of the sequel trilogy this one is my favorite

Silver Raven

2024-11-13 17:51:04 +0000 UTC

I stand by it would have been a much better game if told chronologically, not jumping all around the time line. Hard to explain without going into spoilers and iv had this discussion probably a hundred times over the past four years.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 17:49:40 +0000 UTC

Getting rid of Snoke was great because JJ just did what he always does and remakes the movies he liked as a kid. Killing Snoke off and making Kylo the main villain was a great way to subvert that idea. Snoke was always just a bad Palpatine replacement, I don’t get why so many people gave a shit about him. I stopped caring about him when I found out he wasn’t a giant. And any lore changes that aren’t as bad as Chosen Jesus Anakin are fine in my book, because that almost ruins the original trilogy for me.

Shino302

2024-11-13 17:39:47 +0000 UTC

so bacta is a probiotic topical gel that stimulates cell growth . giving the body great healing potinal it can regrow mussels and nearves . whats cool about fins is the rublic must now be rationing bacta . because insted of sticking him in a tanke they are using less bacta only where its needed in that suit ....isnt that neat

Lance Ivy

2024-11-13 17:28:29 +0000 UTC

Incredible final spectacle. Horribly written and paced movie. Some of it isn’t obvious at first if you’re not a big Star Wars fan, but for example: The “Holdo Maneuver” is written to be a huge deal and in-universe shock. In reality, it was written out as an impossibility since A New Hope (in expanded explanation of Han’s quick explanation to Luke of Hyperspace travel). And when you stop to think about it, it’s really dumb because if it was actually possible it would not be some brain-melting new tactic. Kamikaze’s ain’t original. (Also, why does the ship have a bridge crew if one person can do that much by themselves?) Sad that Disney bought Star Wars to make a trilogy by the seat of their pants instead of actually writing it out first.

Doctor Xerox

2024-11-13 17:27:38 +0000 UTC

Sadly we lost Carrie Fisher (Leia) not long after this filmed and almost 1 year before it released

KingSuno

2024-11-13 17:24:04 +0000 UTC

There's things to like and things to dislike, the arc for Rey and Kylo was really good, but the arc for Finn and Rose felt pretty unnecessary and their romance forced, poe's and luke's characters were done dirty, but luke's final stand was pretty good, the hyperspace crash was cool looking,but lorewise doesn't make much sense, the way they discarded snoke was lame, Leia's Superman moment was cringy and awkward, but the moment with luke was great, overall is an above average movie with a lot of issues, unlike the next one which is almost full trash

Rick Baron

2024-11-13 17:18:50 +0000 UTC

Wait really?! I totally thought she died before this. It has been forever since I heard about it. Sorry for the mis-info then :( and thanks

Rubysoul

2024-11-13 17:18:00 +0000 UTC

the only reason why i watch this trash ass movie is for you and Khoma cause you guys make it much more fun. Even on rewatch these sequal movies are just as bad as i recall

AyatoMisubi

2024-11-13 17:15:44 +0000 UTC

I forgot 99% of this movie and probably will again. Mark Hamil, I feel your pain.

DudeTrue

2024-11-13 17:14:16 +0000 UTC

Also the abby sex scene was awkward and unnecessary, it seemed that Neil was fulfilling a fantasy or something, I cringe everytime I see that scene

Rick Baron

2024-11-13 17:10:29 +0000 UTC

The last of Us part 2 is a perfect example of good idea, terrible execution, the Idea of the story was good but their way of telling it was not, it could've been fixed by just showing some parts of the story later and fixing some pacing issues, but apparently Neil Druckman is an asshole who can't take criticism and wouldn't let anyone change his vision, even if it was to fix some flaws with his storytelling

Rick Baron

2024-11-13 17:07:56 +0000 UTC

force awakens was the only one i liked in the trilogy and that was a still a meh star wars movie. the last jedi is so bad because of the useless rose and finn subplot, shit choreography especially in the throne room, and bad storytelling. yes the sequel trilogy is just a rehash of the OG trilogy, but the last jedi was a much worse version of that and nothing huge was lost other than leia almost dying and admiral ackbar dying, but they didn't contribute shit to the whole movie. dont get me started on luke's character assassination and "death" and the whole poe vs admiral purple hair (cuz her hair was literally her only defining feature). LIKE WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KEEP QUIET ABOUT AN ESCAPE PLAN??? THERE WEREN'T SPIES ON THAT FUCKING SHIP!!! i can keep on going, but there is my rant. love it hate it, whatever yall want to do

DankusMemes

2024-11-13 17:07:48 +0000 UTC

It's your right to have L takes

Karou

2024-11-13 17:07:26 +0000 UTC

Post-production of The Last Jedi finished 3 months before Carrie Fisher died.

Elliott

2024-11-13 17:03:47 +0000 UTC

See I don't want to shit on the movie too much since it seemed Alicia enjoyed it but that right there, you're telling me Luke who redeemed Darth Vader just straight up pulled A lightsaber on his nephew because he had a scary vision eff off also didnt care for his force projection killing him he deserved better

Daniel Gonzalez

2024-11-13 17:02:17 +0000 UTC

This is my favorite Star Wars movie and everyone who disagrees is wrong.

Shino302

2024-11-13 17:02:09 +0000 UTC

That part is so bad to me its basically filler it in no way affects the rest of the movie at all

Daniel Gonzalez

2024-11-13 16:55:18 +0000 UTC

I was gonna agree but I just can't stand the entire Casino side quest that whole thing was so pointless to the point it was basically filler you can cut the entire thing and it doesn't affect the movies outcome in any way

Daniel Gonzalez

2024-11-13 16:52:48 +0000 UTC

Looks like you're right - the RT score is 91, and the user score is 41. Crazy! Probably same for TLOU2. Yup, Metacritic is 90. Though the user score there is 58, so a bit better than Last Jedi from RT user score.

L Freya

2024-11-13 16:50:40 +0000 UTC

Yeah its good for Alicia but after watching this one my interest for Disney Wars died off completely never even bothered with Rise but there's just so much I hate about this movie

Daniel Gonzalez

2024-11-13 16:49:46 +0000 UTC

The movie wasn't bad it just feels like character regression for Luke. The man who saw redemption and good in THE Darth Vader ended up pulling a lightsaber on his sleeping nephew? I just don't believe it. And then there is the whole chase sequence which is okay but doesn't quite make much sense. If the Resistance ships are "lighter and faster" why can't they just escape the attack range? Visually and sound design wise the movie was excellent. The dialogue was funny but not overly corny and I enjoyed it.

Wil DeYoung

2024-11-13 16:49:02 +0000 UTC

This was such a weird movie. Ep 7 felt more consistent in quality, but this one had higher highs (and lower lows). I remember it best out of the new trilogy, but that's only like 3 scenes really.

Usually Shalune

2024-11-13 16:43:17 +0000 UTC

Glad you were able to enjoy the movie. Me though... I still remember going to see this film opening weekend with my family, paid for extra nice seats since it was a Star Wars movie, and yet once it actually started... It felt like I was constantly waiting for the movie to get to the good part, but it never came. I still don't get why the Resistance survivors all seemed so upbeat when they were getting away on the Falcon. They just suffered a horrific defeat to the point that what's left of their fleet can now all squeeze into a single smuggler vessel, and presumable every one of them has lost multiple friends. Why was ANYONE smiling or talking about hope with the wounds still so fresh for everyone? I won't even go into all the stuff leading up to that that I wasn't a fan of, which for the most part frankly just failed to make much sense to me. Never even watched Rise of Skywalker, and never felt as though I missed out given that audience responses to it seemed even worse/more divided than the previous film.

2Lazy2Name

2024-11-13 16:29:23 +0000 UTC

Agreed. Love what they did with Rey, Kylo, and Luke, the chase sequence was frustrating but understandable, the casino side plot was outright perplexing. Fantastic ending sequence with Luke that roughly evens out the played out self sacrifice trope beforehand.

PrivateXimmy

2024-11-13 16:29:09 +0000 UTC

To me it made sense not to tell Poe since the main general had just demoted him and was then put in a coma so chain of command wise that was fine, but the moment he tried to do his mutiny everyone should have told him to stand down keeping that a secret for everybody was dumb. Now if they had mentioned a fear of a mole, someone that was feeding the location of the fleet via the tracker they had set up that would've filled up that plot hole.

Shadowsofpain

2024-11-13 16:24:23 +0000 UTC

I remember being the only person in my friend group at the time that liked this movie when it came out, not loved mind you I heavily disliked Luke's writing on the majority of it, but I enjoyed that it was trying to do something different considering VII was all nostalgia baiting. It was crazy to see the the general movie watching audience universally hating it in droves, hell I remember hundred of youtubers went full mask off and for a while disliking the movie felt like not just the default feeling but simultaneously the weirdo take. I remember Holdo was the face of "SJW's are ruining star wars" with her being a woman in a position of leadership with purple hair, it helped spear head the alt right pipeline as normal people would load up youtube looking up reviews of the movie and the algorithm was feeding them barely disguised misogyny and I'm sure turned a lot of young men into more mouthpieces.

Shadowsofpain

2024-11-13 16:16:15 +0000 UTC

R.I.P to my boy Admiral Ackbar you will be missed.

Alexander Saldivar

2024-11-13 16:10:19 +0000 UTC

so real so real, that caption on this movie was bound to stir something up

Ellerian

2024-11-13 16:05:52 +0000 UTC

I see you, but my issue with this movie is the plot, it all hinges on Holdo not telling people there is a plan, so everyone goes on sidequests that ultimately lead nowhere, not to forget it's all built around a 2 hour slow chase

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 16:00:09 +0000 UTC

This movie is like Last of Us part 2, no matter how many years pass, the internet will be divided and debate in comments till the heat death of the universe, and no one's minds will change.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 15:45:46 +0000 UTC

Nah, it peaked in the Andor prison arc.

unknown organism

2024-11-13 15:44:42 +0000 UTC

I wonder if they know the original actor for Leia died before they filmed this movie. That made the choice they made for the character really odd for me. Not sure if spoilers are fine here so this is all I’ll say on it for now.

Rubysoul

2024-11-13 15:44:40 +0000 UTC

Not planning out the trilogy and having different directors do wildly different things in each movie is absolute madness. There are a lot of cool and inspired things in the Sequels but they don't form any sort of cohesive story.

Patrick Waldeck

2024-11-13 15:44:05 +0000 UTC

Clone wars can be hit or miss, alot of people forget alot of the "nothing" episodes that are 100% skippable. But when it hits, it hits hard.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 15:43:25 +0000 UTC

october 29th she did

Yagi di Hoshi

2024-11-13 15:42:00 +0000 UTC

I just can’t get over how much they had to change Luke’s character to make the story work. He wasn’t anything like this in the original trilogy and they never even give a good reason why he suddenly became so paranoid and faithless that he tried to kill a kid just for being vulnerable to the dark side and then completely gave up on reviving the Jedi.

unknown organism

2024-11-13 15:41:49 +0000 UTC

for a moment i thought its marvel...

Thinkace

2024-11-13 15:41:18 +0000 UTC

It's the fact that they need to PRETEND they have wieght and momentum. In the prequels the stunt sabers were tough metal rods, and they still beat the shit out of them. Looked real. The new ones are basically the glowing ones you can buy. Makes the lighting look fantastic, since they are actually there, but they need to be more careful to avoid breaking them.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 15:41:10 +0000 UTC

while i was disappointed in no Darth/sith lord Jar Jar Binks, i really enjoyed this, too. tho', i still haven't seen Rise of Skywalker yet since Carrie Fisher was no longer with us

Yagi di Hoshi

2024-11-13 15:41:07 +0000 UTC

100% not defending the sequels because I doubt they even knew this when making them but an interesting note is that in the originals the actors were told the lightsabers should be heavy like real swords and thus they acted that ways only for Lucas to change his mind for the prequels. Just a fun fact kind of thing. I think them having the weight of a light blade like a rapier or something makes the most sense in a physics aspect but that is making assumptions about a scifi weapon such as the "blade" being essentially plasma.

MaddMind

2024-11-13 15:39:29 +0000 UTC

Am I tripping? Did she ever upload Force Awakens?

marko cruz

2024-11-13 15:39:18 +0000 UTC

This is a good Sci-fi movie.just not a good Star Wars movie. Too much of the Lore and background info retconned and dumped for me to like. If it was its own franchise and stories and not the butt-hurt character assassinations of legacy characters I would genuinely love the sequel movies. But just to much was lost and destroyed for me to enjoy. Glad you liked it though.

Ian Hodge

2024-11-13 15:34:17 +0000 UTC

I hate some of the "Story choices" they made. They should of never brought in the OG Cast if they was just going to kill them without a proper reunion. Even without they did FInn Character from the last film to this one. If you dont know star wars and can turn your brain off to the lore. It can be Enjoyable. But for those who watched the movie 7 ties on every format from VHS to Blu Ray to Digital streaming. I cant forgive what they did lol

Yahroh

2024-11-13 15:21:40 +0000 UTC

Sees Space Hitler: There's good in him; I can save him. Nephew has a nightmare: Oh boy, here I go killing again. Also, I hate the lightsabers in the sequels. They swing around like they have weight and momentum—LIGHTSABERS DON'T HAVE WEIGHT OR MOMENTUM! Leia surviving is bs; the Holdo maneuver wouldn't work, and the fight with the Praetorian guards looks cool, but if you pay attention, it's ass. Multiple guards stand around and wait for their turn, and the one swinging down at Kylo when two others were holding him down tossed his weapon away so he could die. Sometimes, their armour blocks sabers, and other times, it gets cut straight through. The guard holding Rey when she drops her saber just lets her go.

ShreddedNinja

2024-11-13 15:20:14 +0000 UTC

When I saw this in theatres, I remember really, really disliking some of the cinematography decisions, particularly a few lingering shots. I kept a lid on that because hooooo boy did I not want to be lumped in with the chuds that were criticizing it at the time. I did very much LOVE a lot of the story choices they made. Now that you're watching it - you, with a film school education - I think this reaction is the perfect time to revisit it.

Bologna Amputation

2024-11-13 15:13:17 +0000 UTC

The shitshow that this comments section about to be… I think you’re brave and right.

nervouspirate

2024-11-13 15:11:09 +0000 UTC

my hot take is that this is actually the only sequel movie thats just mid, instead of the plainly bad 7 and 9

Selina

2024-11-13 15:10:52 +0000 UTC

Personally I didn't dislike the film because it's cynical, i think it has good ideas and themes that it wants to explore but could have been executed better. My problem with the film was that it bored me to high hell, the plot is a 2 hour slow chase while we go on side quests, do i disagree with the portrayal of some of the characters and the motivations or lack thereof of some others? yes, but i think that stuff is very minor compared to the foundation, even if this wasn't a star wars movie i'd still would have disliked it

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 15:09:32 +0000 UTC

From Yoda, Obi Wan and now Luke "weird old hermit in the middle of nowhere" just seems to be the final life stage for Jedi

Dysike

2024-11-13 15:01:38 +0000 UTC

oh man i had forgotten about the whole casino thing

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 15:01:04 +0000 UTC

I remember strongly disliking this movie when it first came out so I’m eager to see someone’s opinion of the film who’s new to Star Wars.

E.R.

2024-11-13 14:57:10 +0000 UTC

I personally didn't like this movie, but I'm gonna enjoy the rewatch with you guys. I don't enjoy DISLIKING things, but there are good moments that I enjoyed from the movie.

Julian G

2024-11-13 14:53:39 +0000 UTC

Some good moment the lightsaber fights were bad if you look to close but all in all good I give it a B+. Now the next one is some real D tire stuff

SleppyPanda

2024-11-13 14:50:54 +0000 UTC

Luke being the new Yoda is a fun choice for this movie. From the moment Rey arrives, he gives off the same cranky, crazy energy in his own isolated little hut. It's probably my favorite way that his movie recycles the older films.

Dire DM

2024-11-13 14:40:09 +0000 UTC

I’m only watching this for you two and mostly for you guy’s output on the movie and I know you both gonna make the movie that much better! (Rise and fall of “skywalker”saga right here!! (My opinion ofc))

Jimmy Recinos

2024-11-13 14:21:26 +0000 UTC

Glad you liked it, I still hate it cause Rian johnson just made the film to be divisive. Lots of other problems but to each their own.

NandoTNT

2024-11-13 14:19:19 +0000 UTC

Well, I'm glad you liked it. Wish I could say the same. Unfortunately, this is my least favorite movie ever

Deadman5125

2024-11-13 14:15:32 +0000 UTC

Yes finally someone who actually understands. This was a great movie with a natural progression. Everyone shits on it because it cynical but that's the point. If given the choke Baby Hitler scenario in real life, knowing killing one innocent could save millions, one would have to consider it. But ultimately it is and always will be the wrong choice. And Luke like his father before him made a series of bad decisions that destroyed his life. And then Luke points out that them Empire was the direct results of Jedi hubris, echoing his own. He directly created Kylo Ren, no one else. And so he hid. Like Yoda did, and to some extent Obi wan. Losing faith is a common story, but coming to God is the other half. He tried to erase his faith but then he learned, it was never his place to be perfect. He was merely the last shepard, a steward, his place was to keep the light on for Rey.

Jimmy H Lam

2024-11-13 14:14:50 +0000 UTC

This is definitely my favourite from the new trilogy. I'm 4 film-reacts behind tho 😅

cyberspacecat

2024-11-13 14:09:52 +0000 UTC

Hate or love the sequels Star wars peaked in the final 4 episodes of clone wars

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 14:09:08 +0000 UTC

Yesssss I love this one!

Oh! That Robin

2024-11-13 14:07:06 +0000 UTC

I mean so long as we keep it civil and not reignite the 2018 Star wars nerd civil war...

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 14:05:46 +0000 UTC

Definitely one of the Star wars movies of all time

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 14:04:33 +0000 UTC

I have to hold my tongue, because I won't be able to stop if I start ranting.

Mister Taffy

2024-11-13 14:03:45 +0000 UTC

This one sparks joy

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:58:22 +0000 UTC

Well, i didnt enjoy it, but I'm glad someone found joy in this film!

Vendacator

2024-11-13 13:57:17 +0000 UTC

Pin this comment rn

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:53:06 +0000 UTC

I'll admit that i'm in the camp that hates this movie, but I've always been about leaving my bias behind and letting others form their own opinions. Personally I'd give it like a 4 or 5 out of 10, but I am glad you and Coma enjoyed the movie and I can't wait to see your next Star Wars reaction!

The_ToG

2024-11-13 13:52:24 +0000 UTC

I actually think 8 is way worse than 9, I think 9 at least was entertaining although it was a Disney film wearing star wars's skin. For the life of me I cannot enjoy the plot of this one, big ship chasing small ship for two hours while we go on sidequests

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:51:45 +0000 UTC

The lack of one vision I think was the biggest issue. JJ set up some interesting questions, Johnson totally ignored them and left the final film with very little to work with, JJ tried to course correct (probably ordered to) instead of continue the story. And they used the antagonist they used to try and draw a crowd, but that undid alot of the ending of the original trilogy.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 13:47:02 +0000 UTC

Abandon all hope ye who enter here

Jalatron

2024-11-13 13:46:54 +0000 UTC

I feel like the hate for Jar Jar and the original prequel trilogy at release was every bit as bad as the hate for these sequels. But I enjoy seeing reactions where it isn't always just what the masses feel! And it's totally cool if you despise what SW turned in to, I get that. They've milled the hell out of the series, about as badly as with Marvel.

L Freya

2024-11-13 13:45:18 +0000 UTC

This is weird, I disliked this movie but agree with everything you said. It had some good ideas sprinkled in there, but the foundation wasn't there in my opinion.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:45:18 +0000 UTC

I think that Johnson was alone in that one, then Disney over corrected in the final episode.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:42:51 +0000 UTC

For me it’s the opposite but to each their own

rmplays

2024-11-13 13:41:58 +0000 UTC

At the very least I saw what they were going for with this movie. Luke as a burnt out, more grayish jedi rightfully feeling defeated after failing like the previous order did? That could be a great story if told right. But the guy who turned vader back isn't gonna flip out because his nephew had a bad dream.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 13:41:02 +0000 UTC

About to have 2018 flashbacks. I was younger and more passionate about the franchise at the time, the arguments and discourse around this movie my god, I've never seen anything like it before or since. The mission, the nightmares, are finally over...

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:41:01 +0000 UTC

Episode 9 and 2 are way, way worst than 8.

Patrick Waldeck

2024-11-13 13:40:19 +0000 UTC

People might crucify me for this but this is my favorite Sequel film and I really like roughly half of it. It's the only film that really talks in detail about the failure of the Jedi and the idea that the Force doesn't and never should have belonged to a cloistered order of monks obsessed with repressing emotion. Loved seeing Yoda again, and I like seeing Luke go out pulling literally the greatest Force Illusion in history. I do kind of wish Rey had fallen to the Dark Side at the end of this film, though. It would have made for a much more interesting Episode 9. The whole other half of the movie and the chase sequence is kinda dumb and makes almost zero sense, though.

Patrick Waldeck

2024-11-13 13:39:07 +0000 UTC

Curiously I'd still take episode 9 over this, in my opinion it was a terrible Star wars movie but it made for a decent Disney movie. The action and cinematography was great overall for the sequels tho.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:37:56 +0000 UTC

For the people writing before, watching the reaction: She criticized the plot around Luke Skywalker as much as anyone here.

Christopher Schwandt

2024-11-13 13:36:21 +0000 UTC

Ho boy youtube isn't gonna like this one. Looking forward to watching. I'm on the side of the fence that didn't enjoy this movie, but mostly the treatment of old characters. It looks great, the action is fun and actors play off each other well. The third of this trilogy is the one that's pretty uniformly disliked.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 13:35:10 +0000 UTC

That's a nice way of looking at it.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:35:03 +0000 UTC

Listen, I hate this movie with a passion, but, I do hope the fandom can chill for once. Nerd war incoming.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:33:46 +0000 UTC

You should maybe watch her reaction. With that she has the same issue as you.

Christopher Schwandt

2024-11-13 13:33:05 +0000 UTC

Being one of those annoying dudes, I'm staying out of this one. The only arguement Im more tired of is the Last of Us sequel debate. And that's gonna be reigniting soon too.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 13:32:21 +0000 UTC

Listen I don't like it but also many people did, there's a reason it split the fandom there is merit to it, even if we can't see or enjoy it.

Talon Karrde

2024-11-13 13:30:15 +0000 UTC

so many comments so fast, good luck with the youtube comments <3

KuroOberon

2024-11-13 13:29:51 +0000 UTC

And also was like a strong leader and powerful and created a whole council of new jedi

Talon Karrde

2024-11-13 13:29:03 +0000 UTC

Regardless of the backlash you'll receive, please continue watching Star Wars. I really want to see your reaction to The Clone Wars series.

King of flames

2024-11-13 13:28:38 +0000 UTC

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to" was Disney's mantra for ahwile there. Wipe clean anything their bought IPs have going for them so it's easier to crank out simple, watered down content going forward.

Rowdeemunkee

2024-11-13 13:28:25 +0000 UTC

I just cant do it, glad you like it tho, can't stand the type of people who will probably attack you for liking it... people can have different opinions, but I also mourn the Luke Skywalker that existed before Disney... the one who got married and had a kid. And I just cant enjoy the disney version.

Talon Karrde

2024-11-13 13:28:02 +0000 UTC

Stand by for performative disbelief from chuds, that someone can enjoy something they didn't.

Geth Who

2024-11-13 13:27:51 +0000 UTC

Oh man, this one's the worst of all 9 IMO, a lot of people like it tho, but I still remember leaving the theater opening night, the crowd was silent like we just came out of a funeral or something, a lot of people were really pissed (it's me, I'm people). Divisive for sure.

Photon Pnk

2024-11-13 13:27:48 +0000 UTC

This will be interesting 😅

Todd tude

2024-11-13 13:27:44 +0000 UTC

This movie is probably the most divisive in the series. Personally, it's my least favorite of the movies.

MrBojangles3154

2024-11-13 13:25:54 +0000 UTC

Alicia finally made it. She finally watched the most controversial Star Wars movie. Kudos to her because I do not have her strength and mental capacity to handle this movie.

Alexander Saldivar

2024-11-13 13:25:43 +0000 UTC

Nooooooo that’s the worst one not gooood 😭 oh well this is kinda funny actually

rmplays

2024-11-13 13:25:06 +0000 UTC

Oh no...

Jackal Sniper

2024-11-13 13:23:42 +0000 UTC

Liking this movie is going to get you into a lot of arguments with annoying dudes; I say this from experience

Dysike

2024-11-13 13:23:32 +0000 UTC

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Episode VIII

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Bad movie, literally killed the ip. Please don't ban

Bro the suicide run is a huge plot hole... No use pretending... If you can do that then... Everything else is moot. Death star ? Well just ram something at light speed into it!

Except there aren't plot holes. Just shit you didn't bother to learn. And it didn't trash the lore, you simply didn't know the lore.

Personally, I like The Last Jedi - but then again I only watch the parts with Kylo/Rey and ignore every single other scene. The rest is kinda bad, but every Kylo/Rey scene is superb SW for me.

Nobody asked.

god this movie is just character assassination seriously all just to make Mary sue look better

1:01:58 she’s literally just swing the saber back and forth

Exactly. There’s so much of that rooted in this.

Twins

It's so unfortunate because "Rey isn't special" and "Kylo can't be saved" are two of the best ideas of the entire Sequel Trilogy. There's no answer to "who is Rey" that could have actually been interesting.

Go to your room

There were so many flaws with the last jedi but it makes me sad every time i watch it. Just knowing it was Carrie Fishers last movie. A princess now amongst the stars.

Look i’m not good with conversation okay 😭

so your original comment was wrong lmao. I agree the movies are garbage. I just think it's hilariously stupid to say THIS movie didn't try anything new, for all the reasons you mentioned and more.

Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. It's not racism, its bad writing and insufficient knowledge or deliberate change from canon or extended canon.

Lol, this was lit the best movie of the sequel trilogy. The mistake was picking the Mystery Box dude to direct the first one and then fold to weird fan backslash in the third movie.

1:54:50 the mysterious disappearing dagger!

Seems like something worth delaying the movie a month and re-editing some stuff in post, but maybe that's just me...

Please react to the How It Should Have Ended (HISHE) video of this movie! They actually have one for each Star Wars movie, and do a fantastic job if you wanted to wait until after episode 9

Too true.

The big difference in fan reaction was the existence of social media, and the show runners lumping everyone who dislikes it into the same group as Twitter trolls and insulting the fanbase (something they still constantly do)

The entire 40+ minutes just leads to someone looking out the window, which is all it took to undo Holdo's super duper secret plan..

Just because it's new to star wars doesn't mean it's a new idea.. I guess you could give this one credit for starting the Disney theme of insulting legacy characters though

2:14:03 Sadly her actress got a lot of death threats from fans who thought that Fin should be with Rey and not Rose

Boy they destroyed my boy Luke soooo hard, I could never imagine him assassinating a child because of the possibility of the dark side emerging in him, is he just stupid after ep 6 or what

saying unoriginal ideas on this of all movies is insane lmao. 7 is pretty creatively bankrupt but 8 does a lot of new things, you can't deny that

My favorite of the series. This then Empire then Hope then Jedi then Sith then Awakens then Menace then Clones and then there are no more mainline Star Wars movies besides those. Nope.

This happens to be the one movie I went to the theatre to see by myself because no IRL friends wanted to go. *Had an enjoyable time.

The fanbase in general wasn't toxic until this movie. Individuals sure, but that was the minority. Rian Johnson wanted to make movies that split opinions and opposed giving fans what they wanted to see, and he delivered on dividing the fanbase

Thank you. I really enjoyed this and all the sequel movies and think they get a lot of unnecessary hate. You did a good job of explaining why I really liked what they did with Luke here.

These movies get a lot of hate but I really enjoyed them. Star Wars has a toxic fan base and don’t like to let others enjoy things so… ye be warned.

at around 1 hour 7 or 8 ish minutes that guy said "Ha-Tuk-Ga"

cant lie, pretty much how i feel, though it wasn't in the same night, my opinion on The Last Jedi declining has been a slow burn, every time I watch it there's something new wrong that I never noticed before, it's crazy

George Lucas, preferably Or someone that respected existing lore and/or ideas from Lucas for potential sequals.

Kathleen Kennedy doing her job? noooooooo, impossible Hearing George Lucas talk about what he originally had written when Disney approached him about another trilogy just hits me with the espresso depresso knowing how good things might've been if any thought or planning was put into these

real shit when this hits youtube we gonna have to run for the hills

Addeand out here with the most concise and accurate description of how The Last Jedi failed as a sequel

This movie is not good, none of the sequels are. They’re all filled with unoriginal ideas because the writers of the sequel films weren’t bothered to pull from and expand upon the vast array of source material created while George Lucas was still in charge

They needed 1 director for 3 movies, and whichever they picked would have almost certainly been better than what we got.

@J-Rod i swear if disney stopped for a moment and actually came up with a plan, maybe even kept the same director all the way through, maybe even had ANYBODY ELSE make The Last Jedi, the sequel trilogy might've been held up there with the originals

You know you messed up when half of your main cast in the movie says it was terrible publicly

dude, JJ is an aggressively mid writer who should never have gotten his mitts on star wars, and Rian was a poor fit to follow him in the "skywalker saga", but let's not pretend the trilogy would've been fine even if JJ got all three

Trying to set up requires to be substance in the first place. “Force Awakens” has the same benchmark of “setting things up” as a Scott Cawthon game.

I really respect Rian's attempt at commenting on the very coloured theming of the first six movies, but to me it feels discordant in the same way that lots of genre fiction which refuse to embrace the medium but want to keep the set pieces do.

Also The Force Awakens didn't try to "achieve something original". In fact if you look closely this movie had more callbacks to the original series than any of the other sequel movies, and not in a good way

Indeed...

I don't get why that's such a big thing to people.. Yeah, a random kid is force sensitive, and Ep 1 pretty solidly established that the Jedi searched for and recruited force sensitive random kids. The force being Strong in the Skywalker bloodline doesn't mean the force Only existed in bloodlines

This is definitely one of the star wars movies of all time.

as a die hard star wars fan this is the best analysis of the movie ive seen.

As a die hard, life long Star Wars fan of 30+ years, this is the second time I have watched this movie.

Hoo boy this movie does not get better the more times you watch it.

With Luke I like the idea that his legend grew beyond him and that the reason for his exile was his failure to save Ben when he had been the one who managed to save Vader, but yes, the way they portray the moment of that failure never quite convinced me (not that he failed, but how he failed).

What a nice ending to this movie. The redeemable villain turned out not to be. Rey, who was looking for someone to tell her what her role is, learns that she is the one who decides it. Yep. This is definitely the direction and it's not going to change...

*film starts* ohhhh right the super cheesy Leia scene 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The throne room fight scene is so bad 😅...

100%

The Last Jedi is the best of the sequels because it's the only one that strives to achieve something original and everything wrong with it can be directly attributed to terrible writing decisions made in The Force Awakens. This is the hill I choose to die on.

The Last Jedi and its consequences have been a disaster for fandom-kind Also..... its just kinda ass ngl. The upside is that now we get to go to the next one, the FUNNIEST star wars movie (unintentional) and I cant wait

The only redeeming quality of this movie is that it's still better than the next one... And this trilogy would be infinately better by not involvning any of the original cast if they can't do them justice.

this movie has a lot of really good elements to it, it's just constructed around a denouncement of the ideals the series is grounded in.

It was truly blasphemous

Only thing I have a hard time overlooking with this movie is the character assassination of Luke.

Nice part of the movie is at the end and you see the kid sweeping the floor you see him use the force a little to get his broom. Its a half second but its nice that it shows there are people out there especially in the next generation that are force sensitive.

Have never left the cinema more dissapointed and confused

I guess this movie can be fun while making jokes about it constantly. I don't like it if I'm taking everything seriously though. Kinda just feels off compared to others.

This movie for me was alright. I remember luke being the beast that he is, I remember still having hope Finn would eventually do cool Jedi stuff in the finale.

It really kinda sucks if if you like this one or not cause the directors of the sequel trilogy had so many major disagreements about the story and decided to have an argument with their movies

true, she knew he was a loose cannon, why set him off

I’m so glad she liked this movie, but I’m also terrified that she’s gonna get flooded with the absolute worst side of the fandom.

Such a random thing lol

That I get, leaks and whatnot. What I don't get is why she didn't tell them there WAS a plan, and the general lack of reassurance.

Love how leia and the general risked a mutiny just to teach one guy a lesson.

Watch that little boy in the end reach for the broom, look carefully enough you'll see it moved to him on its own. That boy be a natural force sensitive.

This was the best movie in the Skywalker saga since Empire.

Do not like this movie at all,but I am glad that you enjoy it.

I still don't get why holdo didn't just tell them the plan

I like this movie too. I actually put it as my third or fourth favourite in the franchise. I like the expectation subversion and I do think this one holds up on its own.

Out of the sequel trilogy this one is my favorite

film starts ohhhh right the super cheesy Leia scene 🤣🤣🤣🤣