.House. .Of. .The. .Dragon. 2x5

you were trying to steer the conversation into a debate about who the legitimate heirs are & if you genuinely weren’t then i apologize for the misunderstanding. i’ve read fire & blood over 4 times. i know the lore. i don’t have to answer you especially since you’re being disrespectful. the books specifically say “a half fighting chance” when referring to targaryen genetics aka 50/50. here’s a suggestion, read the book yourself, so that you have knowledge. have a good day.

milfnyra mai

Respectfully, don’t tell me I’m steering conversations away when I’m not. And if you don’t want to ‘explain’ the answer to a yes or no question (do they specifically say 50/50 in the books) it’s probably because you don’t know either

Belle M

I would love to make you guys a family tree with no spoilers for the future, so that you can all refer to it when you can’t remember who anyone is. I just think it would be helpful as you’re all watching the show cause it can be confusing with all the similar sounding names. I’d also make a list of everyone and their dragons including the dragons’ past riders too for fun.

Kelly

its is in the book. there are targaryen bastards who have white hair. respectfully, ask someone else to explain the lore to you.

milfnyra mai

Should be fixed now. Patreons been buggin lately

Studio Geck

Sorry I don't really see how this doesn't relate to what you're talking about when I'm talking about the same characters, the same hair color issue, and I'm not even disagreeing that he has (because he was raised with) T values- I love his character btw so it's not that either-I'm just explaining how I see the universe. I understand there are exceptions like one main character in GoT but I don't understand where you got 50/50, is it from the books? How is it supposed to be a 50/50 if all three of R's first sons had brown hair and Alicents four kids all had silver. I didn't think of this scene with Aegon's bastard/s and you're absolutely right there but I don't know how silver hair can be such a staple (and one brought up by Alicent to question if R's first 3 are her husbands kids) of the bloodline if it is truly a 50/50? Sorry I'm literally just trying to understand cause I really love this universe

Belle M

we’re not arguing who is true heir & who is not. stop trying to steer the conversation elsewhere. kids born out of wedlock can & do have silver hair depending on genetics. like i said, it’s 50/50 with the hair color. that is a fact, it’s in the lore. did YOU watch season 1??? they literally showed one of aegons bastards in ep 9 & he had white hair. legitimacy has nothing to do with hair color. your logic makes zero sense.

milfnyra mai

Hey, several comments have been made on your LotR videos and I've also sent a DM. For some reason the first film of the LotR reaction isn't included in the membership tier as it should be. Can you please address this or at least respond to all of the queries explaining whether it is meant to be the case??

Mia Ellis

well it was a good effort but still no response and still locked 😭 i’m starting to actually get really annoyed by it lol

Ivan Flores

I just saw the BTS for 2x4 battle episode and they said that several of the shots pay direct homage to Gladiator and the scene was filmed in the exact location Gladiator’s opening scene was filmed. Just another hint from the universe that yall need to watch GLADIATOR🙏

Bellamy Blake

I heard Joe Burrow shaved his head but I had to see it in this video to believe it

Jack

Action Jackson, questioning how Jace is only half Targaryen. Just so you know, Rhaenyra isn’t even full Targaryen. Her mom was half Arryn, which makes Rhaenyra only 75% Targaryen. (Shoulder shrug)

Jack

Ser Jackson the goat!

Super Novice

Someone probably already said this but they aren’t trading a dragon to the Vale for an army. The dragons have way more value than 15,000 soldiers. They are providing the dragons to STAY in the Vale to protect Lady Jeyne Aryn and the Vale. That was what was meant when Jace said in episode one that Lady Jeyne agreed to provide an army in return for a dragon to protect the Vale. You can’t just give a dragon to someone. The dragon has to basically choose its owner (it has the right to deny anyone by fighting back when they are being claimed) or you have to have an egg that hatches a dragon for the dragon to be bonded with you. The two dragons at the Vale, even though they are young, they already are bonded and have owners in young Joffrey and Aegon the Younger (Rhaenyra’s Aegon). Young Viserys’s egg hasn’t hatched

Jack

Aemond was not playing Criston, Aegon was the one who ruined their plans. Aemond made an in the moment decision to wait and let Aegon have a go. The actors and creators have said it was because Aemond was irritated with Aegon and basically thought “fine Aegon if you want to be a big boy and play war then I will let you play war”. Also, Aemond didn’t try to kill Aegon on purpose. If you rewatch the scene, Meleys head was biting Sunfyre’s wing and Meley’s head was right in the line of fire with Aegon behind Meleys head. Aemond was just careless and went for the attack, not at all worrying about getting his brother

Jack

Action Jackson, they didn’t take off Aegon’s armor at Rook’s Rest because these guys are soldiers not doctors and they couldn’t have known his armor would be stuck to him as they have no medical expertise, these guys are common folk whose expertise is soldier. They didn’t have a maester with them and weren’t qualified to take off the armor even if they knew it was stuck. They had to get him to an expert (a maester) asap and they weren’t going to take him to a random maester who could gossip. Obviously in todays time we have soldiers who are also trained medically to accompany armies but in Westeros, a maester isn’t a common thing, only highborn have maesters, and the Citadel in Oldtown where the Hightowers happen to reside is the place that trains maesters so the Citadel is the only place that has a ton of maesters in it like a hospital. The Hightowers do not hold control over the maesters of the Citadel even though they reside in Oldtown.

Jack

Brigg, just have to point out that many many many people have survived plane crashes. When the plane crashes, it’s not like a pillow either. Countless people have survived crazy plane crashes whereas countless others have died in plane crashes.

Jack

Meleys fell full force down to the ground which is why the dragon explodes and she landed back first which means the dragons dead body landed on top of Rhaenys. With Sunfyre and Aegon, Sunfyre is still alive and is still attempting to fly, so while Sunfyre does fall hard it doesnt fall full speed and full force to the ground like Meleys. Sunfyre also appeared to land in trees which could have cushioned the fall, which has happened in real life many times with plane crashes. Also, since the dragon is alive and loves its owner, it shifts itself to land belly first so it didn’t squish its owner.

Jack

Thats why the witch (who maybe created the dreamvision said "it's a shame you didn't know your mother". He thought he was just eating out a hot targ at first

Dikke lip johnny

no? T. kids born out of wedlock usually do not have silver hair. jace, luke, and their younger brother were kids born out of wedlock, thus they do not have silver hair nor a legitimate claim to the throne. Alicent's kids were born to her and Visareys and are legitimate heirs and thus have silver hair. Didn't you guys watch season 1?

Belle M

Master lies to ussss. He hides the preciousss

Scinaps

The ratcatchers have their friends and families having to see their corpses every day; no-one cares about a bunch of knights, freeriders and sellswords getting roasted in a far-off field about which they know nothing.

NoneOfYourBeeswax

Yeah just edited it

Nanashi

"The book" doesn't matter. NEEEEEERRD! LOLO just kidding ;)

NoneOfYourBeeswax

I assume you mean Daemon; Aemond is King Aegon's brother, ruling as Regent and as far as I know has never been to Harrenhal.

NoneOfYourBeeswax

Right? Like bro why is freakin Rhaenyra moaning about her problems to some rando at this point of the story? Grow a pair. They made both Rhaenyra and Daemon so weak this season just to give some edge to Team Green. If they keep going like this I might just root for Aemond to burn it all

Nanashi

I NEED Daemon to get the hell out of Harrenhall, his storyline is so shit rn, please let the character breath and be impactful he's doing nothing having dreams amd seeing dead people, just why

Nanashi

Jace*.... Luke died lmfao.

jblakk

Is full time Studio Gek still happening?

Daenerys Targaryen

Personally, I need more of Luke Face Card Targaryen causeee

A_Daddy Daichi

@Treize Cinquante You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. If you did, you would know that Vhagar has killed thousands of people over many, many decades. She has killed WAY more people than Meleys and Caraxes combined. Get your facts straight before you start spouting bullshit information.

Marcusinmilw

So that is where we draw the incest line 😄

Scinaps

ALSO one thing u guys might have missed was Baela talking to Renerya ab Maleys. Maleys was Daemons mothers dragon which he had never known, thats why Baela said Daemon was mad that he didnt get chosen by Maleys bc he thought it was the only thing he had to his mother. So in the end he ended up taking Cyraxes which is Rhaneys fathers dragon after her father died

Brady

There are no heroes or villains in this world just people playing the ‘game’. At best you can say some play with honour some without but when you play the game of thrones you win or die.

Muhammad Affan

in the book Jace spends a lot more time with Cregan Stark where they agree to a “Pact of Ice and Fire” There may have even been a romantic subplot for Jace at Winterfell. I think they showrunners didn’t want to build a full Winterfell set tho so they cut costs by going to the wall.

Treize Cinquante

Sunfyre a bro not a gorl

Bean

You’re kinda right but I also hate this comment 😂

Jackson Carter

😂

Jackson Carter

😳

Jackson Carter

😂

Jackson Carter

You’re totally right, the white hair definitely just makes me forget that they are half, Jace does look sick without it though haha

Jackson Carter

What…. ☹️

Jackson Carter

Yep and the issue continues down the line as well. The blonde hair is a symbol of targ legitimacy which goes along with the colorism themes that GRRM also explores.

Shay Kumar

Just realizing they cut Jace at Winterfell but added Daemon getting with his mom Bruh

Treize Cinquante

i think people get a bit too caught up in the velaryon boy’s parentage to the point where they discredit their targaryen blood. like we all know their true parentage, there’s no denying but trying to paint “only half targ” as a negative is very disingenuous.

milfnyra mai

i did want to point out the fact that people always reiterate that jace is only half targaryen (which is true) but so are alicents kids. she is a hightower therefore making her kids only half. jace just wasn’t lucky enough to get the white hair gene. he had a 50/50 chance of having white hair. he’s the same amount of targaryen as the green kids but i don’t see anyone making remarks like that for them. its a bit frustrating when people try to use his hair color against him. that boy literally rides a dragon & was raised with targaryen/valyrian values lol he’s a targaryen more than anything else.

milfnyra mai

I wouldn't mind if you guys had a dim lighting with yellow ambient lights. Especially for this show

Kim555

that witch gave Daemon that 5 days edible 💀

Kim555

Meleys got Robb-ed, literally 😩

David S.

wtf I just read that the Targaryan woman in daemon's dream was his mother... brother euuuh

Kim555

WHERE'S ALYSANNE BLACKWOOD

Amna 🍉

Yea i guess raping servant girls and watching kids fight each other to death is not that bad

Amna 🍉

yeah he was sheathing it,

Philbo

But why Treize? It seems reasonable that someone who had recently been ruling as the Queen Regent could continue to do so as the (Queen Mother) Regent. From her perspective, which is also based on a desire to stop what he percieves as a dangerous, cruel and reckless dragonrider from leading things, it seems reasonable. Why is she "lucky" to sit the council? Why is it "feminist" rage do be frustrated that she is only passed over, despite her diplomacy and experience, on the basis of her sex?

Molly Ann

I think it had more to do with him raping his wife's chambermaid and him frequenting child fighting pits that have his own bastard children- both occur in season 1, i think they went too far and are trying to walk it back now

Molly Ann

I could be wrong about this, but I did see someone point out that Aemond was already sheathing his sword when Crispin called his name

Anthony Castillo

Her performance in this season has retroactively made me enjoy her S1 moments more too, similar to Aegon lol but damn was I frustrated by them.

Zess

Just finished the watch through. Will be up tomorrow!

Studio Geck

I think Alicent's relationship with her kids makes a lot of sense when you remember the circumstances of how they came to exist. She does love them (her stepping in front of Aegon in the sept, the way she's always shown to reach out for Helaena, etc.) but, I think they also represent everything she had to give up and suffer through; she was so young when she married Viserys and became Queen, after all. It's not hard to see why she might harbor some resentment toward them, it's just that Aegon seems to bear the brunt of it. This episode was, I think, a great callback to what Rhaenys said to her in ep9 of s1; that all Alicent was doing was building a window in her prison, because that's all she knows how to do. She's spent so long playing the dutiful daughter/wife/queen that I don't think she knows how to step out of that role. But, she's clearly chafing against it, and the overwhelming guilt she feels at the part she's played in a lot of this. Alicent is probably my favorite character on the show, so I might be a little biased haha. Definitely also loving the additional screen-time for Baela and Jace this season, though!

Jasper

this is very beautifully said!! a perfect description of their relationship.

milfnyra mai

Return of the King when

Конфіденційність

lmao she has tried multiple times to go and her counsel and son say no , while aegons council plot behind his back

nanbee

nah

Treize Cinquante

A large portion of the comments here are from you… seems like you’re spending a lot of time on that screen. Hope you are doing ok. Don’t forget to engage with the real world, go for a walk, maybe to the gym, call your folks, hang out with your friends. Love yourself 👍

LeFlaneur

*waits for return of the king* we wants it we needs it my preciousss

Scinaps

Poor Aegon! I know his a jerk at some or many occasions but his not that a terrible person. He just wanted to be accepted, loved, and acknowledged. Yet, until the end he was still fighting for those actual reasons. A mercy kill would've been better than to let him lived this way.

morena

Out of all the battles in got universe rooks rest (ep4)goes a bit lower in the middle if they were all ranked imo, still really good tho

Jessica

cringe af and soy pilled I can feel it through the screen

Treize Cinquante

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobbed Alicent, after voting for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

LeFlaneur

They said they don't enjoy the show anymore

Ana

Spoiled like u did s8 of GOT for brig?

Shadow

Rhaenyra is a spoiled brat. Aegon went to war himself. Rhaenyra so far only talks about peace and cries a lot.

Muhammad Affan

smelly ah Sean Carroll ahhh boiii scram

Treize Cinquante

the bar is below the floor rn

Treize Cinquante

Rhaenyra > Aegon II

Shadow

Legitimately doesn’t make sense

Shadow

Have we seen one example of Rhaenyra making a decision that benefits Team Black? Every one of her choices since Viserys died has been short sighted, driven allies away, or gotten dragon riders killed. Idk why everyone seems to crown her as an accomplished diplomat. She hasn’t accomplished anything that Viserys didn’t give her.

Treize Cinquante

🤢🤢 get away Sean Carroll lookin ahhh boii

Treize Cinquante

i think u have that backwards

Treize Cinquante

Targaryen men are a hit or miss but Targaryen women are all badasses.

Nico

they really trying to make us believe that aegon killing a couple of ratcatchers is an atrocity against god but rhaenys killing and injuring hundreds of smallfolk is an oopsie daisy

Treize Cinquante

The castles(s) of the Freys is called the Twins, or more formally, the Crossing. They built a bridge over the green fork river to get rich from the tolls they could collect. And to make sure they would keep on holding that strategic crossing they built 2 identical castles on either end of the bridge, thats why its called the Twins.

Arjan Rijvers

small folk eating moldy rotten oranges while criston is cleaning his sword with a fresh lemon. jeez

davosmith1

lol hes going through some shit XD

Kalf97

I’m begging for King Boo to release Daemon

Super Novice

Cersei’s daddy was Tywin Lannister and she idolized him

Bellamy Blake

Breaking thousands of years of tradition isn’t always bad. Many real world monarchies flourished under Queens. It’s about the persons ability as a ruler not whether they are a man or woman.

Super Novice

Then they are free to join the greens if they don't feel satisfied with the queens descision - unless she actually played the cards right and they stay loyal.

Selena

Treacherous Twink had me cackling

Super Novice

Yeah so I wouldn't worry to much about Daemon making his own claim or going against rhaenyra. Like all of those ideas has been planted by every conversation he's had with Alys + his own frustration at rhaenyra not doing anything about the war. Not because he actually believes it.. It would be quite bold if the rogue prince, the main guy in team black decides to go THAT rogue.

Selena

Exactly, the dragons just follow their riders for the most part. I wouldn’t worry too much, this Tre guy has such a raging hate for team black he’s making a lot of crazy claims in the comments lol.

Super Novice

Imagine if Cersei went to her room moping and teary after Kevan rebuffed her regency lol Cersei clears both Alicent and Rhaenyra HOTD women don’t know how to lead like Cersei

Treize Cinquante

we have actually only ever seen black dragons lay waste to unprotected men: Caraxes Seasmoke Meleys All three dragons have been used in HOTD to kill overmatched foot soldiers. Like bringing a bazooka to a sword fight.

Treize Cinquante

Ahh ok sorry just trying to help :)

Super Novice

lol Rhaenyra is not a good diplomat Just ask the Arryn’s how they feel about Rhaenyra’s diplomacy and protection

Treize Cinquante

Yeah that’s true, they have opposite pros and cons for sure

Jackson Carter

This is such an interesting question. I haven’t read the books so I can’t give a fully informed opinion, but the shows’ plots do focus more on noble women's struggles than peasants' plight under feudalism. Although I don’t think that means he dislikes patriarchy more than the feudal structure (they’re intertwined anyway), maybe he’s just more interested in examining the seat of power. Particularly the inaction & self-destruction that comes along with constant vying for power.

Carrie

dont make theory on who will win by the color of their hairs… the show is inaccurate. In the Books, Rheanys has black hair because she half Baratheon. They change it to white in the show.

Anthony Rodriguez

Even though it can be a bit frustrating I really like the story with Daemon and Rhaenyra. We see how they need eachother through their actions. Rhaenyra is a great diplomat but not great at war and Daemon is the opposite. He's good at war but sucks at being a diplomat - I mean hell, he just asked the blackwoods to commit warcrimes. You even see the same shot of them hovering over the fireplace. They both are powerful people who's strength and weakness differ and complement one another. Together they make a "power couple" and that's the point. Alys aswell plays a part in this. All she's ever done is undermine 'nyras claim with the dreams and convos she's had with Daemon making him question Rhaenyra aswell. Ultimately, If you think about it, this arc needs to have them understanding that connection. It literally has to go that way. No way we can have the queen and king consort still be on the outs in S3.

Selena

"the smith's" hair are suspiciously silver.

Divayth Fyr

What I will say is that you guys were onto something when you said that one side will eventually win because it is not as if all of the Targaryens are wiped out. One of the sides (either Team Green or Team Black) will fade forever and have their line wiped out while the other side will be the ancestors for every future Targayen that comes after, even including ones such as Danaerys in the original GoT

Monte

Laenor had a dragon yes (Seasmoke), but he was forced to abandon it when he fled and it is the one we've seen flying around sounding sad.

Brittany (Ultraanimegirl4)

Daemon is not it this season :/

Brittany (Ultraanimegirl4)

Aemond and Vhagar no diff entire kingdoms in GOT

Treize Cinquante

“i am blood and fire. driftmark must pass to salt and sea” yeah she’s a targaryen don’t let anyone call her a velaryon again

nymeria

okay so it happened once. Saying "Always" implies its happened numerous times. and its not the dragons fault. if you want to blame anyone then blame rhaenys as she was the one RIDING the dragon.

Philbo

Seasmoke - laenor's dragon, we saw him flying and the white worm said "he's lonely". silverwing has no rider, same with vermithor. Which is why you keep seeing these half bloods in the show. The blacksmith, the man who saved corlys, etc. They all will have a role to play

wilcox2146

Definitely not from GOT😂

Nomaan

Edited, thx!

jblakk

Aww that’s so sweet, thank you so much Mai 🩷

Bri-Ana Monique

Aemond is now officially the most powerful character we have seen in GOT/HOTD by a wide margin

Treize Cinquante

Meleys killed and maimed hundreds in that dragon pit incident No other dragon in HOTD has injured innocents more

Treize Cinquante

Half of the wins of the Blacks are just stupid decisions made by the Greens XD

Brittany (Ultraanimegirl4)

That rhaenys scene at the coronation was only added bc the writers wanted an action scene during the coronation. It literally made no sense whatsoever bc book rhaenys would've book TG on the spot if she had the opportunity. That coronation scene would never make sense to me, it just another thing the writers completely messed up.

Amna 🍉

Yes, that scene from Daemon was with his mum (Alyssa Targaryen). She died when Daemon was 3 years old so he can't really remember her appearance.

Best__EdmDrops

Even maegor the cruel didn't disrespect their own sigil like that

Amna 🍉

I think it's cool that he bases a lot of his writing on historical events, generally through the Medieval period. I think a lot of his writing revolves around criticizing humans in general, as pointless conflict would persist even without the current structure in place. Do you think he has more of a distaste towards patriarchal society or more of the feudalist sort of structure?

TheSauceGuy

Hilt is the one between the handle of the sword and the blade. Foible is the second half of the sword going to the pointed part

Anthony Rodriguez

Hated the disrespect towards Meleys. My reaction was the same as the crowd. Loved almost the entire episode was paying respects to my Queen Rhaenys. She was THE GOAT! Also loving Baela more every episode.

Ash Hale

I feel you tbh. I roll my eyes when people act like Daemon is so cool and “badass.” Do you watch alt shift x? I can tell that guy is sick of the Daemon glorification he’s always just saying how awful he is 💀 Daemon is always running around acting like a child.

Bellamy Blake

Dream no dream, knowing or not. It’s still crazy 😂

Brig Andrus

i need to see it so bad. visenya is the most interesting out of the 3 heads of the dragon imo

ro anna

Young Vhagar and Visenya showing up at the Vale like... 👀 that would be badass.

Shay Kumar

Shadow dont waste your time on the trolls lol. Click their pfp, 3 dots, and block. We as a community can exclude them

Shay Kumar

It's giving "I'm a half blood but I follow lord Voldemort and he will spare me" followed by him angry killing the people around him anyways 😂😂😭😭

Shay Kumar

What a surprise that 2 of the 3 main characters as described by the show runners is actually what the focus of the show is about!

Shay Kumar

Well I don’t know tbh it would seem she could control them but I have no clue tbh

Caraxes🐐DT

That’s a pretty hypocritical thing to say when u have like a single comment tagged onto the end of half the threads here💀

Shadow

Sunfyre is dying slowly.

Darrell Henry

lol how?? Please list me the other times Meleys killed AND burned Innocent people ? not counting when she broke out to the dragon pit.

Philbo

Which is just odd that they are so mad when sexism is like the basis of half this story. And a Major theme in the entire Grrm verse

Shadow

I'm like 2 months into patreon myself had to google it, good luck mate!

Scinaps

Viserys set up Rhaenyra for failure when he named her heir by breaking thousand year of traditions. He was dumb at its finest. Aegon has every right. He gave birth to heirs and still was stupid enough to assume no one would rebel. Marrying Alicent for male heir was like stabbing Rhaenyra after naming her.

Muhammad Affan

ayyy clutch! i’ve only been on patreon 4 months i think so im still new to how the app works, i looked all day for that yesterday and couldn’t find it 😂 thank you!

Ivan Flores

I figured it out. Go to your inbox, find the channel guys and message them that way. In the app it's the 2nd tab next to your home screen

Scinaps

Bro listen if you don’t like him or think those moments are badass then cool I’m not trying to convince you.. you seem to have a bunch of your own issues going on lol so I’m gonna leave you be

Philbo

you’re so pretty!! sorry if that’s random but i needed to say it 😭

milfnyra mai

There's an option to direct message the creators if you click on the info, may be your best bet since I don't think they read all comments here - if not then maybe try reaching them on discord

Scinaps

ugh you’re right!! thank you for bringing me back to reality 😭🖤

milfnyra mai

Can someone get daemon out of there pls 😭💀

Afra

Exactly she died when he was like 3 he doesn’t remember

Afra

There's such a fierceness to their face, the camera angles have been so flattering too. Lady Jeyne also looked fierce AF this ep

Shay Kumar

haha I'm with McKay in terms of how much he's feeling Jace. I really like that he's having more of a concrete storyline and making headway with ideas and parlays. So far he's solidified the standing with the Starks, won over the twins and with this new idea, 2 new dragons.

Rayanh LaNansha

sunfyre is literally incapacitated currently. he isn’t in fighting shape. team black has a total of 12-13 dragons. daemon makes that very clear in episode 10 last season. some don’t have riders yet. tb has 3 (syrax, vermax, & moondancer) technically 4 if you count caraxes available at the moment. the greens only have 3 (vhagar, dreamfyre, & tessarion) i’m not saying tb won the dragon battle, they definitely didn’t but neither did the greens really. they pretty much lost one of their FEW dragons. tb doesn’t have a shortage of dragons like you’re claiming. you must be watching the show with your eyes closed because you are very confident in saying incorrect things lol

milfnyra mai

What's so complex and interesting about generational trauma anyways? Like we literally know bad parents raise bad kids lmao all of Alicent's kids and TG are actually so predictable.

Shay Kumar

Save yourself the energy friend and click their pfp, 3 dots, and block. There are some really angry people in this community sadly.

Shay Kumar

This show has really brought out my block Hammer lmao so much mysoginy and sexism in the comments.

Shay Kumar

eh Meleys has lowkey been shown to be the worst dragon in the show always killing and burning innocents or those who can’t defend themselves

Treize Cinquante

Treize also got the block this episode 😂 people are really upset that modern television includes more women in charge.

Shay Kumar

bro you comment on every post you’re so weird lol kinda like that Sean Carrol guy

Treize Cinquante

that’s the reality though TB: 0 TG: 2

Treize Cinquante

which one? All green dragons are still alive

Treize Cinquante

he still fondles his wrist at Reggio’s dinner table and is seen cuddling with Daemon in episode 6 before Laena arrives at the bench They may not have been fucking, but they were def canoodling

Treize Cinquante

so cutting a guys head off when he’s not looking in? so badass…

Treize Cinquante

they wouldn’t though because they actually value their house. greens didn’t win anything. they literally lost 1 of their 4 dragons lmaooo

milfnyra mai

I am disgusted and enraged by the parading of Meleys through the streets of KL. It’s made even worse by calling her a “traitor.” Her rider chose a side, but Meleys did not. F**k you, Crispy Cole!!!

Marcusinmilw

its not him having to do badass things. he is just a cool ass character that is really likeable with good ass dialogue He honestly has really smart plans but NO ONE listens to him. But to answer your question, in EP8 when he killed Vaemond TO ME id say its badass how fast he comes up with war plans like he did in S1E10 once he found out Viserys died and they Usurped the throne.

Philbo

Means Not dead yet but dying.

Jay Jay

There’s been 2 dragon battles if u can even count the first one… and they included vhager. Hmm I wonder why they haven’t won lol

Shadow

it doesn’t depend because the second movie isn’t locked. only the first one, i believe it’s just an issue with the app or something but the second movie is already unlocked but i don’t want to watch it before the first one. i had that issue on GoT where 1 random episode was just locked so i don’t think it’s their fault. just would like it resolved

Ivan Flores

“Canonically” lol. Deleted scene so delete it from your memory. Or stay focused on it ig - i mean u got the link saved

Shadow

Fool Team Black would do the same with the Greens dragons… If TB could ever win a dragon battle 🤣🤣🤣

Treize Cinquante

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a41426313/house-of-the-dragon-daemon-bisexual-deleted-scene/ It’s in episode 6. Even if it was deleted he’s still in two romantic-esque scenes with Daemon. Idk what else you’re talking about.

Treize Cinquante

This is true, so I’m not entirely sure why it’s locked In on legacy tier so nothing is locked Sorry I couldn’t be more help

Super Novice

I know you guys have copyright issues on youtube but you guys could release it on patrion. The boys youtube viewers will join the patreon if they wanted

‎

So you guys have seen the boys episode and wouldnt release it on patrion?

‎

to put this into perspective since everyone wants to act dumb, parading that dragon head around is like the starks cutting off the head of their dire wolves & parading them through the grounds of winterfell . literally not a good thing.

milfnyra mai

they finally doing more justice to baela’s character ill give ryan and sara that one thing this episode i guess

nymeria

i think Vhagar would have looked sleek when she was younger but she's way over 100 and old asf now so she's looking raggedy. if we ever get a Conqueror show she would look so different i bet

ro anna

That’s not what u were saying but k😂

Shadow

are you actually dense?? if aemond hadn’t chased luke down to taunt him in the first place, this would’ve never happened. YOU watch the scene again. aemond was chasing him & vhagar was CHOMPING at him. arrax’s natural response to being threatened was to protect himself. that’s what dragons do. rhaenyras boys are better targaryens then aemond & aegon could ever be. real targaryens don’t parade the heads of their dragons around the city & disrespect their house like that. those greens single handedly weakened house targaryen. now everyone sees dragon aren’t invincible. bffr.

milfnyra mai

Just saying, Sara Snow would have extended the Winterfell plot line, shown Winterfell, forced Jace to confront his bastardy, and give him a natural love story Instead we get one scene up north then Jace flies south to mew for 4 episodes. Just don’t understand their narrative choices with Jace.

Treize Cinquante

I feel like treize is projecting his own traits onto the characters. Gives me the same vibes as chad-gon aka charred-gon did… I wonder why

Shadow

Why? Luke was the one who lost control of his dragon first. Rewatch the scene. Arrax escapes Vhagar, then Luke loses control of Arrax, Arrax flame blasts Vhagar in the face. ONLY THEN does Aemond lose control of Vhagar. Smh if only Rhaenyra taught her kids how to be actual Targaryens instead of Strong’s

Treize Cinquante

Yea the vast majority of people do…?

Shadow

But isn't hotd same tier as movies? If they comment here doesn't it mean they should also have access to movies

Scinaps

Not the same caliber of warfare as continental dragon dueling war

Treize Cinquante

Kevan literally challenges Cersei’s regency over Tommen

Treize Cinquante

No, the Alicent small council scene is a clear example. Alicent would only be so lucky to have a seat at the council, the idea she would have some sort of feminist rage over being passed in favor of the (shows) heir, is crazy.

Treize Cinquante

it’s also her job to listen to her more experienced advisors & consider their opinions. she did exactly that. even borros baratheon wasn’t going to allow luke to be harmed under his roof. blame aemond.

milfnyra mai

you think Alicent didn’t have that realization losing her virginity to a diseased 50 year old when she was supposed to be in 9th grade?

Treize Cinquante

TB would do the same… If they could EVER win a dragon battle 🤣 🤣🤣

Treize Cinquante

No Sara - you MUST enjoy Jace/Baela don’t you? Don’t you?

Treize Cinquante

it’s her job as general to make the tough military decisions. If things turn out poorly, it is fair to critique Rhaenyra’s planning and foresight capabilities after the fact.

Treize Cinquante

rhaenyras council including corlys literally told her that it was a good idea. she was obviously hesitant when jace requested it. she’s damned if she does & dammed if she doesn’t. also, luke was sent as a messenger under guest rights. give it up. also she wasn’t lying, rhaenys is half baratheon & is related by blood to rhaenyra. luke is rhaenyras son. he does in fact have baratheon blood. he may not have as much as he would if he was truly laenors son, but he DOES have it. so like i said, she is not to be blamed for that. aemond is. period.

milfnyra mai

It may depend on what tier you have? They have separate tiers for anime and live action media

Super Novice

???? Otto literally told her on the bridge they had sent terms to the Baratheon’s (hours before she chooses to send Luke) Then she sends Luke off with the lie that he had Baratheon blood (Luke has 0 relation as he is a bastard). Just looking objectively it’s true that Rhaenyra made a terrible military command. She’s getting pretty good at that at this point frfr

Treize Cinquante

@Treize well hopefully you'll be in that minority soon

Ana

the only true womp womp is the shows drop in viewership

Treize Cinquante

Hell yeah brig keeping his word about shaving it 🤝

Jessica

Womp Womp

Ana

using twink as an insult when Daemon is canonically a sword-swallower in HOTD lol who’s the twink now? I bet Daemon is a sub bottom

Treize Cinquante

Jace is the most pathetic “male” character in GOT/HOTD history. Dragon riding heir to Rhaenyra, and yet he has ZERO sword skills, his dragon is mid, his dialogue is ass, and his negotiations could only ever result in a “win” for TB and have no build up. Not even mentioning that for an 18 year old dragon riding should-be-warrior, Jace has less fire, motivation, and agency as a ten year old Arya in GOT. Just calling it like I see it, the idea that Fire and Blood Jace ever takes a backseat to Baela in the war is ASININE. I wonder what is motivating this narrative change?

Treize Cinquante

Corlys isn’t “good” he has crimes himself and is only presented as “good” in the narrative when he bows to Rhaenys commands. Jace is literally the most pathetic “man” in either GOT/HOTD. Bran has more agency than Jace does. Simon Strong, Cregan, Harwin, Alyn, and Addam are all extremely minor characters who, again… Are only even shown as “good” in the sense that they actively support Rhaenyra’s claim. Has there been one scene for any of these characters independent of supporting Rhaenyra where we have seen them depicted as “good”?

Treize Cinquante

no he’d just sully his teenage maiden daughter in an attempt to ruin her name and honor for his own selfish reasons

Treize Cinquante

Realistically, what has Daemon done that was badass since the Stepstones in S1E3? (Which is about 16-17 years before this episode)

Treize Cinquante

every man is terrible in this show other than Corlys (Who is only shown as “good” in the sense he loves being commanded by his wife) ^ just rewatch his dialogue with Rhaenys in bed in episode 2

Treize Cinquante

he way overacts it’s so cringe he’s clearly trying to make up for his season 1 performance

Treize Cinquante

fellowship is still locked on mine and i’ve commented about 20x across all platforms and no reply 🥲

Ivan Flores

Yeah I just mean Cole said “Sunfyre was long in the dying” and I don’t have a clue what that means lol

Agent September 🏴‍☠️

comment #10.. lord of the rings fellowship is STILL locked on my patreon. can i plz get some help with this

Ivan Flores

No spoilers here pls

Scinaps

They said early part of this week

Scinaps

that’s not relevant at all…she’s also not to be blamed for that.

milfnyra mai

I also find the diaglogue lackluster compared to GOT

Agent September 🏴‍☠️

I thought we were going to see the return of Otto

Agent September 🏴‍☠️

Also are we getting return of the king reaction any time soon 👀

Agent September 🏴‍☠️

Is sunfyre dead can somebody clarify?

Agent September 🏴‍☠️

People conflate the bias towards Rhaenyra with the "feminist woke agenda" IMO lol. I think it's fair to mention that Rhaenys killed possibly hundreds of people at Aegon's coronation and this is like never brought up by anyone. Rhaenys largely stays out of the conflict early on and then criticizes others for their parts in starting it. She's glorified despite acting as a bystander for such a long time and up until Rook's Rest, her largest contribution was killing a ton of innocent people unnecessarily. Both sides frequently shame Aegon despite his lack of desire for the throne and his claims that he wasn't suited. Again, I think it comes down to a bias rather than a man vs woman thing.

TheSauceGuy

does she actually control the dreams though or does she just have some ability to see them? don't answer, actually

TheSauceGuy

He’s not fantasizing anything, there’s a witch putting thoughts into his mind

Euphemia Isobel

Well, Aemond is the only Targaryen with any say at the moment and IDK if he was the one to decide to parade the head like that or not. At least their sigil doesn't have a four-legged dragon like in season 1 lmao.

TheSauceGuy

this is kind of how i felt, feels like they are forcing certain things

TheSauceGuy

I'd say he's the most unpredictable but not the most complex.

TheSauceGuy

It has been more interesting for me to watch their scenes this season than Team Black IMO (outside of the twin fight which was both sides technically).

TheSauceGuy

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TheSauceGuy

TBF, Viserys' sickness interfered with much of his life but yeah.

TheSauceGuy

She's a far better mother than Alicent but made one fatal mistake sending Lucerys alone to Storm's End at such a young age.

TheSauceGuy

Now that they seem steadfast in their course, I wish more of them would address their own or others' mistakes. Alicent and Otto can be reminded of their bad parenting (and Rhaenyra's poor priorities by sending Luke to Storm's End). Daemon and Aemond should be criticized for their family killings. Rhaenys can be criticized for her needless killing of commoners too lol. Like, these are things that we just don't see much conversation around as if the characters just accept them and move on to fight.

TheSauceGuy

Dreamfyre was shown briefly in season 1, but nice info

TheSauceGuy

It's better to say that the show is biased towards Team Black, although Daemon is kind of separate. But in terms of your first two questions, it really depends. Historically, women haven't been in the positions required anywhere near as much as men, so they obviously can't cause the same amount of damage in this regard. Also, most military forces were comprised of entirely men or almost only men. When women have been placed into these situations, they've proven to be capable of the same behaviors as men. I do think that societal forces influence men to make those sorts of decisions that result in conflict more though. As for whether or not the weak, women, and children suffer more, this is also dependent on the conflict. In a war life this, I would say that they do, as they are starving and some have been killed by rival houses. Wars rarely lack collateral and often include collateral necessarily, but soldiers are still dying as well and many are encouraged or forced to fight.

TheSauceGuy

Daemon was a wild card in a different way than he is in the show.

TheSauceGuy

I just want to see Vermax and more dragons. More dragons, please!

TheSauceGuy

He’s seeing visions of seasmoke coming back and taking his girl syrax😂

Shadow

you guys should do a list of your favorite lines from HotD and GoT when you're done with both

TheSauceGuy

tbf, she's super young too though, his son would've been too young to rule on his own as well

TheSauceGuy

dreaming of eating Daemon and waking up covered in sweat and feeling ashamed

TheSauceGuy

Sunfyre had feather-falling splash potion on him too, but Aegon still broke his leg(s).

TheSauceGuy

IDK if he's fantasizing about it as he (apparently) didn't know until the end and he's also in nightmare fuel castle. As for Team Black, Rhaenyra is still heavily favored with Daemon being the one making the big mistakes. She does screw up by sending her young kid to Storm's End, which is ultimately what killed him as she didn't have to relegate her dirty work to her little kid. After Luke dies, she asks for Aemond but doesn't order anything. While you can argue she should've taken the peace deal, I'd wager that the show version of Rhaenyra would've done so had Luke not been killed so soon after. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the extent of the morally questionable things she's done so far, apart from childhood mistakes. Meleys being sent was a more logical and understandable decision, so I don't count that.

TheSauceGuy

i'd love to see even just a brief shot of it at some point in one of the shows

TheSauceGuy

it's kinda funny that you went on a very long rant about how much you don't like the show, and when someone simply says "you could just stop watching" you come back with "U dont have to be so personal and defensive". who's the one who is getting personal and defensive here?

danidelight

Sooo unrelated like super unrelated but do you guys think you'll ever be interested in reacting to Hamilton? I just feel like crying with the geks 😩😂

Ana

Alys accent here is scottish.

Scinaps

Not one of the 5 of them could remember whether or not Laenor had a dragon...

BloodyBen

Jace and Baela are carrying team black

Nomaan

I hate I have to wait for the week now.

LuvStarburst

Due to her AND their absentee father

MacJordanT

The writers just have a feminist agenda. Of course they have to undercut all men and Daemon especially. I like the show, but that bias' are clear as day

Steve

There is no rightful ruler, she comes from a line of invaders and conquerors. The person who the Lords i.e. the kingmakers believe should rule is the ruler.

PST3

Team Black is getting gross kidnapping women and children. Now Daemon fantasizes banging his mother. This is even low for a Targaryean.

PST3

Alys definitely influencing what daemon sees. What is she scheming😂

Shadow

but he would smash his niece and kill his first wife with a rock

TheSauceGuy

Aemond, keep your damn eyepatch off for an episode!

TheSauceGuy

None of this is spoilers cuz this doesn't happen in the books with Daemon so I'm clueless just like everyone else but reading a comment something clicked for me. I just realized something Alys seems to be giving Daemon Aemond's insecurities. Aemond wants to be king and has a mommy complex. And he saw himself as Aemond. I wonder what this means

Ana

@Carrie a lot of GoT is based on actual history and wars that happened. George gets on my nerves but I can't deny the man is a writing genius

Ana

So pretty 😍

Ana

She's actually loved in the books. The show doesn't do a good job but most of the realm is for Rhaenrya they are just focusing a lot on the few who aren't

Ana

YI TI MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHH

Justin Callang

Sara never existed. Will never exist so let her go

Ana

The actor idolizes Jon Snow as he said in interviews. So he is trying hard to be like a young version of him. Like Jon in Season 1 GOT. They are both bastards as he explained and have had to live their lives with people treating them differently or whispering about them.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Well men are the ones who actually started the wars in history and now. Are they not? The weak, women and children are often the ones to suffer from war the most are they not? GoT was filled with showing the suffering of the weak, women, and children. Or have you not been paying attention? People hate Rhaenrya and. Alicent for reasons but people also love them. There is your grey. All the stuff about Rhaenrya in the books is clearly false because the show is telling us this is who she is.

Ana

It’s not all because they loved Meleys. It’s that they feared their would be an attack on Kings Landing by dragon riders for revenge. It’s the common people that get burned and stepped on when the dragons start attacking the city.

I❤️movies&tvshows

I didn’t think Rhaenyra going to Kings Landing, the Kingsguard twins battle or Rhaenys death battle was boring.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Just the same as always man

Cannon Andrus

I loved this episode. Better than the last. It's just setting up things so nicely. I'm tired of Daemon being In Harrenhal but I have a theory that this is super important for something I won't mention here. If it plays out that way it makes sense. Jace and Baela I love them. I actually felt a little bad for Alicent. They can never make me like Aemond he's lame and a wannabe Daemon. That end scene I'm so excited this is the part I've been wanting to see the most the DS. Great episode great reaction. These next episodes about to cook

Ana

Of course Aegon is still alive, dude was wearing full netherite armor with feather falling 4 boots on.

Enma

One of my favorite lines ever lol

Cannon Andrus

He not delusional it’s the place he’s at and alys that’s messing with his head

Caraxes🐐DT

What an amazing comment, I didn't know any of this about the Anarchy before! Ty 🙏

Carrie

Because they started a war because the men did not want a woman ruling. Letting Alicent rule would make them all a bunch of hypocrites.

I❤️movies&tvshows

that’s because most people think team black are on the right side which is fine and that’s not what am arguing. But if your compare the characters Jace, Baela, Rhaena are so bland and boring compared to Aegon, Aemond and Helaena. Rhaenyra and Daemon are the only good team black characters. Am not arguing sides am just saying team green has more well written and acted characters

Dani

In the first episode of Season 1, we see Jaherys call a council that picked Viserys to succeed him. Daemon’s mother was Alyssa Targaryen. Her father was Jaherys who we saw in the first episode. Dameon’s father was Baelon Targaryen. Dameon’s parents were brother and sister. Dameon’s mother Alyssa rode Meleys and Daemon’s father Baelon rode Vaghar. I wonder with Meleys being killed it reminded Daemon of his mother, especially since Vaghar killed Meleys. Dameons was 3 when his mother died so maybe not. The two dragons they mentioned here are Vermithor and Silverwing. These dragons were ridden by Daemons grandparents King Jaherys and Queen Alysanne. No one has ridden them in a long time.

I❤️movies&tvshows

I pray this is the last episode I have to watch daemon on his acid trip, team black is literally in shambles & he’s over there straight tweaking!! it’s killing me, his whole story line is just throwing me off I need him to leave immediately.

Bri-Ana Monique

I wonder what Caraxes is thinking. He’s probably kicking in his sleep

Shadow

and its even worse because daemon cant just up and leave harrenhall considering A) how important that location is and B) he is needing to raise an army. which he got then they just started doing reckless shit. like his WHOLE situation is just shitty and bro just needs someone to help get his mind right.

Philbo

While George R.R. Martin took inspiration from the Wars of the Roses period of English history for Game of Thrones, the House of the Dragon (or the Dance of the Dragons as Martin named this period of Targaryen history in his books) is his take on the period of English history that is commonly referred to as the Anarchy. And the entire conflict at that time was based on a king naming his daughter as his heir. The subsequent years of war that resulted was a fight over her claim with her cousin. And the entire problem people had with her claim was that she was a woman. There truly was no other reason for disputing her claim. While this show does use modern sensibilities to some degree, much of it grapples with the issues that were central to the Anarchy. Having read a fair amount about the Anarchy, I always find the “this show is woke” complaint unfair, unless you want to call that Medieval war as woke too. I do agree that wrestling with the issues of a patriarchal society is probably the primary issue of this story. But that is the story that Martin wrote, and it is also one of the issues that is central to the entire A Song of Ice and Fire series of novels.

Blackeyedlily

2 things. 1. Rhaenyra being grey or not has no indication on some gender war conspiracy. Thats what was dumb about your initial point. A show can want a moral center without it having ulterior motives. Tyrion is way more grey and dark in the books, does that mean GoT is pro men and anti women? No. Get a grip. Its the same thing here. Television is more inclined to have a moral center than in a book. If not by necessity, then by precedent. 2. in the books (Fire and Blood) where they had unreliable narrators infamous for being sexist its become pretty obvious that alot of the tellings were untrue and pretty biased against Rhaenyra, especially when it comes to if she was crazy or not. Rhaenyra isnt squeaky clean, and doesnt need to be outright mad to serve any sort of narratie purpose at this current stage in the war. You scoff at the notion of oppression and ignore the obvious contradiction that none of this would be an issue if she were a man. She could commit every identical decision in both the book and show, and be lauded a great or competent ruler. Even with siring bastards. Its her gender that holds her back and surrounds her with criticism. Its not a feeling or interpretation, its in the text. Its the literal point of the conflict.

jblakk

small council: oh hey daemon ur back early daemon: harrenhal’s haunted small council: what? daemon: *loading a pistol and getting back on the dragon* harrenhal’s haunted

Amna 🍉

Aegon only has a daughter Jahera so really there is no other choice but Aemond to act as regent. They started a war because they didn’t want a woman in charge. Alicent had no chance.

I❤️movies&tvshows

"The eyrie is impregnable" *Bronn wants to know your location* I'm glad cannon mentioned him lol

Zechree

i mean it only makes sense for them to have daemon go through this because it keeps him occupied. IF he was there with rhaenys, this war wouldve been over. Aegon, Sunfyre, Aemond, Vhagar, Cole and that whole army would be dead. so for the stories sake, that literally had to sideline the goat lol.

Philbo

Dragon choses the raider ,thats why Rhaena is dragonless . Also dragons rub their own personality on raiders.Aemond became ruthless and kinslayer coz Vhagar is ,Daemon is more of snake coz Caraxes is more of snake !!

Adam Dark

They are trying to make you hate Daemon. They didn’t like how popular he got last year. He killed his wife, choked Rhaenyra and other bad acts and the writers didn’t like that people loved him anyway. (Kudos to Matt Smith that his Charisma still drew people to him after all that.) So they really have to smear him this season because they removed a main character from the books that is interwoven with his story. They had to find another reason to make him unlikeable since the reason George RR Martin gave is not going to be in the TV show. What is sad is that when you ask George RR Martin who his favorite character is out of all of his books his answer is Dameon Targaryen. Now these writers are changing his story. The showrunner has made it clear “the books are the books and the show is the show. “ Personally I don’t believe Ryan Condal is a better writer than George RR Martin. Just my own opinion on that.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Seriously its like women can’t win for losing. If a woman acts like a girl boss Its stupid feminist crap If a woman acts the way women would have acted historically, meekly and peaceful … It’s stupid feminist crap lol we can’t win! 😅

BreezyBri

@jblakk you read him for filth, holy shit 🤭😂

Carrie

In the books, Daemon was pretty collected dude. I dont know what got into show writers to write him this delusional.

Muhammad Affan

never compare that treachous Twink Aemond one eye to DAemon again. Daemon would never hurt his brother.

JJ

Rhaenyra is grey and THE BOOK WAS NOT WRITTEN AS FACT.

BreezyBri

Baela and Jaecerys have been coming through in each scenes they're in. So excited to see more of them, especially Baela.

Amna 🍉

nah the writers are losing the plot, Daemon has never been interested to be on the throne. His issue is people not trusting him. I hope it's just harrenhall messing with him bc his whole storyline there is getting annoying

Amna 🍉

yea but sara was a rumour in the books too no?

Amna 🍉

Martin said in an interview that everyone here is a flawed character that can do bad things so i was pointing to that. Rhaenyra so far is not a grey character whereas in the books he has written, she was ruthless.

Muhammad Affan

alright now that ive watched the reaction lol i will not stand for the daemon slander lol let me just start with; HE HAS NEVER WANTED THE THRONE. you can tell that during ALL of season 1. its the hallucinations pushing him towards THINKING he does. Jack - he literally left to harrenhall because he was told to go there. caling him an idiot for doing what he was told doesnt make any sense. Like daemon is literally just being cooked left and right by these hallucinations and its even impairing his judgement. idk why these hallucinations are pushing him to try to rule. Im just hoping someone just comes and helps him cause he desperately needs it.

Philbo

George RR Martin is a pretty progressive/liberal man. His books are littered with it and I find it funny how because it’s cool now to bash anything with any sort of feminist plot, the fans like you overlook that it was always there. The story is actually good, you’re literally mad that two woman are behaving like two women probably would have. You’re literally mad that Alicent and Rhaenyra aren’t Cersei level evil and the men aren’t the heros? Both Alicent and Rhaenyra HAVE done bad/wrong things. Are we watching the same show?! Alicent is literally trying to usurp the throne and Rhaenyra put bastards on the throne and broke law several times. Most people are complex, sorry people still like Rhaenyra and Alicent. They were always the main characters even in the books. Get over it and stop watching if mad. Edit: and for the last time the BOOK IS NOT WRITTEN AS FACT! Just because a character did something in the book doesn’t mean they actually did or that it happened that way! The book is written in two different perspectives as history we aren’t entirely sure of 🙄

BreezyBri

No nettles they changed it from the books. Someone else gets her story which we should see before the end of the season. Trying to avoid spoilers but that has been confirmed. No Sara (you know who) either confirmed by the writers. They are really diverting from the books.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Oh brother, the literal point of the story is the follies of monarchy and sexism. Its literally the inciting incident, its always been pretty on the nose. And theres been plenty of good men on the show too, if you only see the bad men as criticisms of the gender as a whole, then thats a self-report. Jace is a good man, Corlys is a good man, Simon Strong is a good man, Harwin strong was a good man. Cregan, Alyn and Adam, the list goes on. If sexism as a concept is too loud for you then you picked the wrong dragon show... Also arent you the one who spoiled Brig? Maybe sit this one out.

jblakk

You can tell the people who started watching Game of Thrones in the later seasons.

Darrell Henry

Just expressing my opinion if anyone agrees. U dont have to be so personal and defensive.

Muhammad Affan

If you’re so over it and it’s such a hard watch… u could just stop watching lol

Shadow

It's not very interesting to watch,the dialogue doesn't lead up to absolutely anything,cool are characters are being cut and everything is reduced to "Men are bad and women are opressed". In GOT, there were plenty of interesting female characters who had power( Margaery, Olenna,Cersei,Dany). In HOTD, Rhaenyra and Alicent are always crying and shit. They never make any evil/bad decisions( in the books, Alicent shuts the gates of King's Landing,but Aemond does that in the show, in the books Rhaenyra ORDERS Rhaenys to go to Rook's Rest,but in the show Rhaenys asks to do that). So over of this woke feminist trash.

Muhammad Affan

Right it's annoying when people think everything needs to be Rawr rawr burn every episode. Do they forget that GoT is more about the politics than battles ?

Ana

No hate, all love fellas, but is it just me or have the uploads been less frequent the last two weeks?

Jed

Nonspoilery List of Dragons and their Riders *Greens* Vhagar- Aemond Sunfyre- Aegon(Injured or Dead) Dreamfyre- Helaena Tessarion- Daerons(Not shown) *Blacks* Syrax- Rhaenyra Caraxes- Daemon Vermax- Jace Moondancer- Bahela Tyraxes- Joffrey *Free Agents on Dragonstone* Seasmoke-(formally Laenors) Vermithor Silverwing Cannibal Sheepstealer (There are a few more dragons but I forgot if the show mentioned them yet and didnt want to spoil if they havent been spoken of yet.)

jblakk

Yes yes! You guys get it 😌 also he has a little bit of an attitude & a chip on his shoulder - I swear Viserys is somewhere chuckling

Carrie

Good episode 🔥

Marine Piece!!!

Vermithor and Silverwing are riderless and Laenor Valeryon rode Seasmoke as it was told in Season 1. It was crying in episode 3 when Myseria was talking to Rhaenyra. Yes Seasmoke is also riderless.

Muhammad Affan

I like the slow episodes because they set everything up and keep things from being rushed. I feel like people expected the Blacks to no diff the greens but the story so far makes sense. They started off getting vengeance for what happened to Luke. That caused the greens to send Ser Arryk to kill Rhaenyra. Rhaneyra tried one last time to prevent the war. When that failed she let the dragons loose which resulted in two dragons dying, Rhaenys dying and Aegon being badly injured. Now as Daemon tries to assemble an army, Rhaneyra will try and find more dragon riders because that’s the only way they can face Vhagar.

Darrell Henry

if y’all can’t tell, i’m the biggest rhaenyra shooter 😭

milfnyra mai

sorry to spam the comments lol but i feel like jace is a reflection of the type of mother rhaenyra was & is to her children. she truly has a mothers heart & the way she has raised her boys so far is admirable. it’s one of my favorite things about her.

milfnyra mai

Why would Alicent not assume they would let her do it?? She's been doing it.

Ana

i can’t wait to see the rest of the dragons. i want to see silverwing and dreamfyre in their full glory

Seth Aasland

Jace last episode telling Rhae they need to send/use their dragons and dragonriders was such a parallel to Rhae saying that to Viserys s1

Shadow

Alicent not being a good mother doesn't mean she doesn't care for her children. She literally stands in front of a dragon to protect Aegon in SE01EP09. And we saw how she reacted in episode 7 after Aemond lost his eye. I think she loves her children but is scared of what Aemond has become and is angry at Aegon's incompetence. Both of which are due to her & Visery's bad parenting.

Dana Sow

Well Meleys was love by the realm. King Jaehaerys actually took Rhaenys ona tour of the kingdom. She has a lot of love. Also they worshipped these dragons and a lot of kinslaying is going on. So anyone would look at this as a omen

Ana

was just thinking that! jace going to the freys without telling her in order to prove himself parallels rhaenyra going to dragonstone to confront daemon in season 1 without telling viserys. the only difference is that rhaenyra immediately tells jace how proud she is of him unlike her father. i love that they did that! he is a mini rhaenyra for sure :))

milfnyra mai

Umm nooo this was a rest episode we have to grieve for Rhaenys. Both sides suffered heavy losses too. This is the episode for them to reset their pieces. This is the episode where the war truly starts. This episode was better than the last. And this story has been about to women since the beginning. It's clear Alicent and Rhaenrya are the main characters. Anytime women get shine or power y'all always crying. We watch men in power all the time and you don't see us crying about it. Strong and powerful women exist it's not a fairytale

Ana

I definitely like this episode better than the last

Ana

they looked really good last season too but they have a different glow & aura this season, i can’t explain it.

milfnyra mai

!!!!! they literally repeat those words over & over & over. like give it uppppp

milfnyra mai

I think Alicent was just trying to become acting ruler to try and bring some sort of peace

Mel

So dumb for that

Ana

Jace reminds me so much of young Rhaenyra 🥹

Carrie

So unnecessary. Like what are they even doing? This Daemon plot is dragging

Ana

Daemon is the most complex character in the show rn

Mel

Why do you guys all ways feel as though a “feminist” point is being made, this was far in the past they are legit just stating the facts of their present time

RJysn

I like Jace and Baela.

Darrell Henry

When she said “A Tarly?” All I could think of was Samwell Tarley riding a dragon 😂

GB3

YA'LL NEED TO DO A MEWLING CONTEST

Amna 🍉

Yeah I was gonna say… there are definitely examples of women in positions of power in medieval Europe

Carrie

Not gonna get into spoilers but I saw a pretty good thread explaining that late this seasons or early next season would be the time we first see her. She’s not the first one to make a “move” in that group. Nothings been confirmed yet

Shadow

idk about that, every scene w baela targaryen has me hooked

k

really? I feel like she should've been already introduced. Maybe I'm getting my timeline mixed up

Amna 🍉

Aemond is also a Kinslayer, people don't take that lightly

Amna 🍉

She has like no reason to be in the story yet. She could come in s3 no problem

Shadow

I don’t think that’s true for medieval times but it’s certainly not true for what we have seen in Game of Thrones. No one challenged Cersei being Joffrey or Tommen’s regent. Olenna Tyrell ran house Tyrell. Women have equal inheritance in Dorne.

Darrell Henry

Yea idk maybe just the destruction of the house? Or maybe she seen something in a vision idk but hopefully we get him fighting whatever she got planned

Caraxes🐐DT

making up a whole ass storyline for a fucking dog and hugh but no nettles

Amna 🍉

the word complex and interesting needs to be banned for TG

Amna 🍉

Those people being like only Viserys and Rhaenyra lol. He’s ride or die for them

Shadow

Most of the world disagree with you

Caraxes🐐DT

He didn’t even really care that he wasn’t the heir anymore, he was more upset that he was never named hand of the king. Like he literally just seeks attention and approval from the people he loves.

Philbo

And daemon just wants attention. Like when he took dragonstone with the egg and Mysria. 2nd son syndrome lol

Shadow

heavily disagree. not about rhaenyra being the rightful heir, she absolutely is but the boring part.

milfnyra mai

Team green characters are so much more interesting and complex than team black. I hate when we switch to a team black scene 😬

Dani

The actress playing Rhaenyra has been looking gorgeous this season! Idk what they have done differently but its working

BreezyBri

He wouldn’t, he literally has NEVER wanted the throne. It’s just alys and harrenhall cooking tf outta him lol

Philbo

Honestly thinking about it like that, that makes a lot of since why she briefly mentioned his mom when she walked away 😭😭 please someone come save me goat from this forsaken place lol

Philbo

@Random I definitely see your point, I’m not saying it’s fair that she’s being dismissed. She has years more experience than Aemond. It’s just that she’s on the side of a war that's preventing a woman from inheriting the throne… that’s where the cognitive dissonance is apparent to me

Carrie

carters hair grows so fast omg

bateman bookworm

Facts

Muhammad Affan

That Daemon and Alyssa Targaryen scene was so weird and unnecessary. He was like three when his mother died

Amna 🍉

rhaenyra is the rightful queen but team black is so dull and boring to watch 😭

mixi

Like girlie really thought she would be exempt from the misogyny just because she's on their side

Amna 🍉

No

Legendarygamer

regardless of which side you're one this is such a stupid thing for team green to do. dragons represent the power of house targaryen. parading the dead symbol of your house for the realm just shows the lack of respect they have for their own history and legacy. TG might have the colours of a targaryen but definitely not the values.

Amna 🍉

Alicent literally ruled over this same council with Otto like 3 weeks ago in show time. Her and Otto were making all of the decisions for years while Viserys was sick. It's not some out of left field crazy thought that she believed she would resume the role she effectively held not long ago. She thought she'd earned that much through her years of being a heeded voice on the council but got a rude awakening when even her allies turned on her.

Random Random

I’m curious to see what alys real intentions are. But yea I agree with the daemon stuff 💯

Shadow

Someone should have told Cersei, Daenerys, Olenna, Arya, Sansa, Catelyn and Margaery that they were just supposed to submit. Cersei is the Queen Regent during a time of war. Olenna runs house Tyrell.

Darrell Henry

Exactly!

BreezyBri

Agree. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to hate it.

Nicholas

Daemon didn’t know it was his mom I mean she died when he was 3 plus that’s all alys doing for whatever reason I guess getting him to betray rhaenyra which I doubt he will but let’s see.

Caraxes🐐DT

They literally said the people see the dead dragon as a bad omen for things to come and they are afraid of what Rhaenyra will do in response.

Random Random

Nicholas

How? Its a dream that’s happening because of alys lol

Caraxes🐐DT

alicent realizing in real time that the system and status quo she helped to perpetuate and uphold all her life is now affecting her as well was priceless 😭

Amna 🍉

I will wait to see the full arc but I don’t believe Daemon would ever betray Rhaenyra and try to steal her throne.

Darrell Henry

@Darrell Exactly. Dana I’m not expecting her to be a feminist 😂 I’m just pointing out the irony cause that shit should have been a no brainer

Carrie

It’s very common for the mother of the King to take over the regent job. Aemond is an impulsive teenager who she suspects of trying to kill the King.

Darrell Henry

just came here to say that rhaenyra is sexy as hell

milfnyra mai

i think i’m in the minority, but before this ep, ep 2 was my favorite of the season, kinda by far lmao. like yes last week we got a dragon fight and it was absolutely gorgeous, but a lot of the performances in ep 2 really stuck w me. that being said i LOVED this ep!! i think i might like it more but idk it might be recency bias. anyways, i’ll probably be back w an essay after i smoke, grub, and watch this reaction 😁

alexis ♡︎

She doesn’t need to be a feminist to have a basic understanding that if they’ll dismiss Rhaenyra because of her gender they’d do the same to her.

Darrell Henry

This episode was a bit weird. They really made sure to drill home the feminist point in this episode. This episode felt more like it was trying to deliver a message moreso than tell a story lol.

cutty

Why are you guys shocked that a woman during this time period who's main duty was to give the King children is not a feminist?

Dana Sow

I know I really don't like the direction of the writing in this regard. It's not ruining the show but makes me skeptical about later down the line. The truth is none of it makes much sense if we're supposed to believe this world is based off of medieval Europe. During this time Woman submitted to men and that's really all there was to it.

Nicholas

Yea and also the sigil of their house. Like image the Starks parading around a dead dire wolf lol

Shadow

That’s why the guy said “ I thought they were gods” or something like that. It was really dumb for them to bring it through the town

Philbo

Alicent not fully understanding how misogyny works until her ripe age is crazy 😩

Carrie

Daemon with the Oedipus complex

Nicholas

It’s not love it’s just they literally thought of dragons as god like beings and now there’s a head of one being paraded around

Shadow

I know right he’s not a rapist or a Creep …. What a weirdo

Arsheley martin

Also don’t understand the love the people of King’s Landing seem to have for Meleys

Treize Cinquante

The writing was all over the place this episode. I still like the show but really why was it even a question, of course Aemond should rule over Alicent. That was so dumb.

Nicholas

I really don’t think he actually knew it was her. Alys put that in his dream he never knew his mom. Still crazyyyy tho…

Shadow

Jace is so cringe imo

Treize Cinquante

W Baela

Loyd M

Daemon with his mother is crazy bro

Brig Andrus

no, she literally moved me to tears, she was absolutely COOKIN

alexis ♡︎

It’s respectable title tho and a real man eats lol🤷🏼‍♂️ and I really don’t think he knew it was his mom

Shadow

Alicent so annoying bruh… Aemond or anyone would make a much better Regent than her

Treize Cinquante

YES BUZZ JACK

Cannon Andrus

nah my goat daemon NEEDS to be fucking rescued lol he is getting overcooked by these damn hallucinations 😭😭😭

Philbo

Use this as a jack should buzz like the other geks button ——————>

Jacob Goldsmith

She was spitting this episode

Shadow

Daemon freaky asf

McKay Carter

YESSS

Melizé

BAELA MY GOAT

alexis ♡︎

The opposite of a munch 😭

Cannon Andrus

I just finished, and I’m watching again

Kim555

Daemon a munch

Shadow

😂🤝

Shadow

fudgeeee

Jacob Goldsmith

L

Shadow

first (or so i thought)

Jacob Goldsmith

I loveee HOTD

Shadow