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now i want to rewatch this episode and see if my perspective changes. i might do that this weekend.
nostalgicgirl
2024-06-25 17:57:05 +0000 UTCOh no, I like Shaw as a villain and part of me wished he could have played one longer because he’s far more interesting as one. I just wished that he wouldn’t have gotten with Sarah romantically if that was the case because it’s this particular trope that annoys me. That being said from all the times that I have seen this happen this has been the best one so far because of the emotional impact. Which is why I said I was conflicted because it was so poetic in the end and it made perfect sense for Chucks character arc. I think I would have enjoyed it more if he had not been romantically linked to Sarah. But you’re right that this was the best episode of the series because of the emotional implications and the acting was amazing. It actually works as a series finale. I did hear that the writers had to change his character though because they got some backlash from fans when he and Sarah got together but idk how true that is.
nostalgicgirl
2024-06-25 14:58:46 +0000 UTCProbably the best episode of the series thus far, or at the very least in the top 3 for me. Shaw's motivations have been clear from the very beginning and quite one dimensional. To avenge his wife's death. His "twist" to the dark side makes complete sense, and anything else would have been quite weird, imo. It's still important to mention though: He wasn't evil and never was. And if he became a villain who wasn't one dimensional, that wouldn't make sense, as his entire motivation has been that way from the start. He didn't tell anyone about Chuck's secret and said it wasn't his fault. He's not just evil for the sake of it. Like Jayson states above: Shaw was absolutely not happy with working with the Ring. You can see he despises what he's doing, but his entire REASON for bringing down the Ring was avenging his wife. Now that the CIA was behind her murder and on top of that: lied to him... It would be weird to me if he was happy to keep working with them against the Ring. And Morgan might be stupid sometimes, but wow. The way they use his knowledge of old-school fighting movies to help Chuck figure out Shaw is the bad guy is brilliant writing. The Star Wars reference before it pans to Casey is fabulous. That whole sequence is 10/10. Shaw as a "good guy" was quite bland, though. He is 10 times more compelling as a villain and Brandon Routh sells it wonderfully. I get chills when he says: "You killed my wife. Did you really think that i'd be okay with that?" In such a menacing and defeated tone. I often appreciate your takes, because I can often understand them, but here I am struggling to. If you wouldn't mind, why were you so eager for Shaw to remain good after what happened? Or is it more about not liking this particular trope? Because I can obviously understand that. I obviously mean no offense, so sorry if it comes across harsh. I'm loving your reactions and appreciate your opinions. As a little aside. This episode was written as a potential series finale, but was later picked up for more episode this season (and obviously more seasons in the end). Chuck is also a show that relies heavily on tropes (and also making fun of tropes and itself as a whole).
Fredrik IB
2024-06-25 11:32:30 +0000 UTCI dont think Shaw was evil, even in the end. One dimensional maybe, but i'd say it was a bit more deeper than that. His main goal since we met him was to avenge his wife's death, and during the whole season that meant going against The Ring and being the perfect spy for the CIA and trying to find and kill/capture people responsible, which he believed to be The Ring. In the end it turned out that it was the CIA, his own organization, ordered his wife's death. I dont think he flip flopped or changed at all, as his end goal stayed exactly the same, find and kill/capture people responsible for his wife's death. Only now those people are the people in the CIA organization and to some lesser extent Sarah, who was used to pull the trigger. Shaw didnt seem happy to work with the Ring, nor did he completely blame Sarah, but in the end, to achieve his goal, partnering up with the ring and sending a message to the CIA by killing Sarah looked like an optimal path for him to achieve his goals that he had all along. While i agree that some of the tropes are there i think his character didnt change, it was the context of the situation that changed. Anyhow thats just my look at it right now on a rewatch, first time i didnt even think about this as i disliked shaw and just wanted him out of the picture, but now I can appreciate his character a bit more. Loved the episode, happy Sarah and Chuck finally got together :) Excited for the rest of the season and still hoping Chuck can become a weekly thing!
Jayson
2024-06-25 03:23:26 +0000 UTC
