OUAT S4 E12 Heroes and Villains
Added 2021-10-28 13:23:25 +0000 UTC
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That was a stupid line by Regina. Mariane is a grown ass woman who can absolutely go to a new land by herself. People do it all the time! The only complication would be Roland loosing either his father or his "mother."
Lucile Byrd
2024-05-10 03:23:03 +0000 UTCCruella was initially my least favorite villain, but she is awesome in this series.
CrystalDeth
2023-11-08 04:25:06 +0000 UTCRUMPLE IS THE WORST!! Or should I say "Mr. Gold." I still love Rumple from the Enchanted Forest. Like the one that saved Belle, I liked him, but Gold...no. ew. go away. Also, the top favorite Belle scene is when she forces Rumple over the town line. Like YOU GO GIRL! VIP! Seriously, my favorite character ever lol. We stan Belle French-Gold in this house! I'm excited to watch you watch the Queen's of Darkness. Cruella is one of my favorite villains after Pan and I really like Ursula's story.
Shay-Thelogicaldreamer
2021-12-02 03:09:47 +0000 UTCSome of these lines are so subtle!!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-09 18:16:58 +0000 UTCThere actually is a Frozen reference in Rocky Road episode. In the scene when Mary Margaret is holding Neal & trying to put stroller in the car Archie comes over & talks to her about trying to juggle her new mayoral responsibilities plus taking care of Neal & that it’s ok to not be joined at the hip so that if she could just “let it go” the baby will be just fine. It wasn’t until after I had watched it 15 or 20 times that I caught that.
Linda McDonough Garcia
2021-11-05 02:08:08 +0000 UTCI'm excited!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:20:59 +0000 UTCI would have loved if they kept that in, I feel like having more scenes with Rumple and Henry would've brought some compassion to Rumples character. Not to mention I also though we were going to get a ton of them interacting as soon as Henry started working at the shop and we got absolutely nothing, it was weird to me!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:20:44 +0000 UTCNo, I haven't seen that before! But I do greatly enjoy magic. Yes, if you upgrade you get specific requests depending on the upgrade! $25 tier is 2 1 hour long, or 4 half hour long, episodes of any show. $50 tier is 2 1 hour long, or 4 half hour long, episodes of any show in addition to a movie no longer than 2 1/2 hours.
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:18:41 +0000 UTCI'm so excited now that the other villains are entering the picture and I'm excited that this is one of your favorite finales because I enjoy a good finale! It is crazy to think that you all had to wait so long before getting the second half of the season, I know what that feels like for other shows and this would've been torture for me! lol
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:16:24 +0000 UTCThank you for all the support you've shown! It's no problem at all and when you come back you'll have a good amount to catch up on! Keep in touch on Youtube, I'll be editing up season 2 every Monday again!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:11:50 +0000 UTCI wasn't sure if it was just me forgetting or if they didn't go over it lol but I think you're right and it's because it's a different curse.
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:06:46 +0000 UTCIt sure felt like a mid season finale!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:04:53 +0000 UTCI'm curious to find out about how they got there too!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:04:06 +0000 UTCHow ironic lol That would've worked really well!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-11-01 20:02:14 +0000 UTCYou are in for a ride that is for sure 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼👀👀👀👀 things you will not expect 😁
Malachi Fuimaono
2021-10-31 07:04:26 +0000 UTCMy personal opinion of Rumple's character: I think the conversation that Regina and Rumple have is supposed to be the writers trying to explain Rumple's change in character. The temptation of being free from the dagger and the possibility of being enslaved again like he was with Zelena was too much to pass up. His personal excuse for regressing was that "doing good" led to him being enslaved and losing his son. 4x01 showed that he wanted to try to be better before he saw the hat and something switched in his mind. First at Neal's grave, he has a whole monologue about wanting to start right with Belle. He says at the end of this speech "Be that man I should be. The man you died for. And I pledge, Baelfire, I will be that man. Your heroism has shown me the way." And later on, he first is going to switch the daggers out without Belle's knowledge but then says "If we're going to do this, we're going to do it properly" then that moment he sees the hat... Also, one more thing with Rumple and Henry, there is actually a deleted scene from 4x02 of them interacting and it's really good and touching interaction between them that I don't totally understand why it was deleted that actually shows Rumple's "good" side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWeLauC1MV8
Disney15ish
2021-10-30 05:00:28 +0000 UTCAnd yes in this show magic is like a drug addiction
Alex A Alvarenga
2021-10-29 22:56:25 +0000 UTCI feel like everybody has to understand that when we watch the show years ago (live) we had time to reflect and theorize and deal with these type of situations that once upon a time puts us through so I think it is best for you to take a mini break just to comprehend what's happening your frustration with the outlawqueen scenario was very relatable like I said we all felt the same way I was just a little bummed out that it ruined the queens of Darkness entrance but I'm so glad that you're loving Cruella Deville C is Flawless what kind of times you do way better version of her than the live-action this year that came so I think it's okay to go back to 2 days a week with Once Upon a Time this second half of the season is going to be super Epic no spoilers are course not but the finale is flawless one of my favorite one so far as the Rumpelstiltskin situation give it time and I absolutely understand how you feel about Outlaw Queen Robin Hood and the evil queen I guess when I saw you get upset for the fans we already know what's going to happen every already accepted it but it's super sad watching somebody go through what we went through years ago but like I said give the show face and I'm glad you're not one of those people who gives up when exerting character dies thanks for everything excited for you to finish off Wonderland that's going to be very in bed for the last couple episodes
Alex A Alvarenga
2021-10-29 22:56:10 +0000 UTCAlso I was wondering if you ever saw the show Merlin BBC version and if we could give you suggestions shows or movies if we upgrade our Patron is that correct
Alex A Alvarenga
2021-10-29 22:53:27 +0000 UTCAlways enjoy your reactions! I need to take a break for a bit but please know it’s just due to financial reasons and nothing personal - I’ll be back!
Ryan
2021-10-29 17:47:18 +0000 UTCi dont believe they really went through why the town line rules changed, but i believe it’s mainly just because it’s a different curse, so the rules are different, and it probably has something to do with what ingrid left on the line as well. not 100% sure, but that’s what seems to make sense to me and others. there’s more to robins story. don’t want to spoil anything, but also don’t want you to be too upset abt it for long lol also, no worries for less episodes a week. we get a bunch of new shows and you get more out of the break, so let’s do it! youtube guidelines for copyright are crazy, so i can’t even imagine how difficult editing for hours and then them blocking it so quickly. i send my luck to jay who seems to be having and issue with it too. youtube has got to get a better system, especially for reactors! good luck to you both :) thank you so much for another reaction! see you monday for episode 13 :)❤️
hello6775
2021-10-29 03:09:34 +0000 UTCThe memory loss at the town line thing was part of the first curse. This is the second curse, cast by Snow. So the after effects are different. I know you're pissed about Robin leaving, and I hope this isn't a spoiler, but don't worry.......this isn't the last time you'll see him. ;) About the "let it go" thing, there were about two or three times during the first half of this season where different characters actually said it. Oh, and this episode was the midseason finale, in case you were wondering. :)
Steve C
2021-10-28 21:54:16 +0000 UTCDon´t worry about reducing OUAT. It´s fine. More variety and doing other shows is also nice. And you should be done with Wynonna and Wonderland relatively soon, so then you will have more time for other shows again too. Now a little reminder about the curse conditions. Season 1: They just couldn´t leave. Season 2: curse is broken, but when they leave they forget. Season 3: After the 2nd curse they would get picked up by flying monkey´s and turn into monkeys themself. Season 4: Zelena is gone, so no more monkeys, but after Ingrids intervention they now can´t return after leaving. This was a great reaction. It was fun seeing you get so upset. It was rough. I´m so glad they finally figured out what Rumple was up to and he finally suffered the consequences. Robin leaving was upsetting. Damn it Marianne! No one likes you! Go away! Seriously, I´m pretty sure no one enjoyed her character. She only creates problems. That scene with Belle and Rumple was amazing. It´s terrible for Belle, but it was a powerful scene. I´m looking forward to seeing Ursula, Cruella and Maleficent. Although I wonder how Ursula and Cruella ended up in the real world? Like if they got there through Regina´s curse they should have been in Storybrooke and not in New York. For example we know Maleficent was in Storybrooke, as a dragon in the basement, until Emma got rid of her in season 1.
Beny
2021-10-28 16:36:53 +0000 UTCThank you, but you need to Wait, Jessie, to figure it OUAT❤️🤘🏼. 💗🌎💗👩🏻🐶
Melissa Amato
2021-10-28 16:23:50 +0000 UTCThank you Jessie, hope you ate something good. Hope you have a good day. Thank you for the Reaction, Oncer love, OUAT💗Of this world, Jessie. Blessings sent. 💗🌎💗👩🏻🐶Be patient... OUAT OF IT💗It will be fine. OUAT is always Full of Surprises. Allow yourself to just enjoy the Story - book/Brooke. ✨ 🧚✨🌙✨📖 The race is on to find the Author...?¿? Rumple is getting the Queens of darkness, back together. Wonder & Mischief, abound. 🌬️❄️👸🏼👰🏽Frozen gals home & together at last. Anna woke Emma up, but it was Belle's Realization that saved Killian. 💔🙍🏻♂️¿🔔🤦🏻♀️🗡️🐂 🙆🏼♀️ Emma, shoving Killian's heart back into his chest, like it was one two three, bandaid off, was so funny. Their kisses so passionate, & cute. ❤️👩🏼🧑🏻❤️🤘🏼
Melissa Amato
2021-10-28 16:22:09 +0000 UTCOUAT💗👩🏼🧑🏻💗Capt.Swan Saved, Killian not killed. ❣️
Melissa Amato
2021-10-28 15:56:37 +0000 UTCOne weird coincidence about bringing in the Frozen character is that in the original script of the Pilot, Emma's name was originally going to be "Anna Swan." One of the creators said on Twitter that the legal department said the name didn't "clear" which he thinks probably meant that coincidentally there was someone with the name "Anna Swan" that lived in the Boston area. One thing I just recently realized is that if they had kept "Anna" as her name but the story went exactly the same, they could have canonically made the fact that David and Snow named her after Frozen "Anna" and all it would take would be a small addition in 4x02 flashback of Anna telling David her real name.
Disney15ish
2021-10-28 15:52:19 +0000 UTCYes! I'm so happy we agree. :) Heidi
Heidi Elizabeth Marcum
2021-10-28 15:48:53 +0000 UTCI agree in that I wish Emma followed her gut a bit more when Killian grabbed her like that!
Jessie Dobbie Reactions
2021-10-28 15:42:36 +0000 UTCFirst and foremost... I understand you choosing to react to only one episode of Once Upon a Time a week so that you can catch up on the shows you really want to catch up on. Of course I understand. You deserve to be able to watch any show you wish. No worries! Heroes and Villains- Welcome to the Queens of Darkness arc, Jessie! I love this episode!!!! What a beautiful way to end the Frozen arc, as well as a tragic and phenomenal way to set up the beginning of the new arc for the second half of season four. I love every moment of this episode. So thank you very much for your reaction! And I'm so happy you enjoyed the Frozen arc so, so much. I honestly can't say whether or not it's my overall favorite story arc throughout this show because I honestly can't say for sure which arc or even season is my overall favorite. Nonetheless... this Frozen arc is absolutely phenomenal. I love so much about each story arc throughout all the seasons. Now... in regards to what some fans of this show consider to be the strangeness of Cruella joining this show as one of this new arc's coming villains... At first, I felt it seemed strange that this show's creators and writers would choose to bring her into the show, especially as one of the main villains for the stories to come. However, I promise you... there is so much more to Cruella than meets the eye. And the actress chosen to play her is phenomenal. I love Victoria Smurfit in this role. And as for Ursula being in the real world... it will all be revealed in time. I think you're really going to like what's to come for the second half of this season. I certainly hope so. I absoutely love all three of these infamous villainesses who make up the Queens of Darkness. I love them all in their Disney movies, and I love them all here in Once Upon a Time too! As for my favorite moments throughout this episode... First... one of my absolute favorite moments is the brief moment towards the end between Emma and Killian when she pushes Killian's heart back into his chest. It's beautiful and it makes me happy to see the love of Killian's life restore his heart to him. She most definitely holds his heart, and no longer just figuratively, but literally as well. Emma is where Killian has always kept his heart and it's beautiful for me to see her restore it to him so that he can feel his love for her and the love she holds for him so completely. And as if I didn't love it enough as it is, Killian then tells Emma... "I told you, Swan... I'm a survivor.", just like he had told her back in the ending of episode three... Rocky Road. So beautiful. I absolutely love it!! I love Rumple and Belle, as well as Snow and Charming, and Regina and Robin Hood together. However, my all time favorite True Love couple throughout this show, like I've said so many times before now, is Killian and Emma, of course. Just as they are my two all time favorite characters throughout the show as well. They always have been and always will be. They're just so beautiful and perfect together, because they make each other better in every way. Killian gives Emma the strength and courage to believe in herself the way he does, and Emma helped to bring out the hero in Hook and continues to show Killian that he's a good man and not the villain he struggles to not believe himself to be. They're both just so good and beautiful together, and their love story is absolutely beautiful. :) Next... another of my favorite moments is also another moment between Killian and Emma, in Granny's Diner when Killian comes to talk to Emma about finding the portal while Gold is talking through him by control of his heart. It's so sad because you can see behind Killian's eyes that he hates, hates, hates being controlled by his greatest enemy and that it's killing him knowing he's about to die without being able to save those he loves and being able to stop his darkest enemy from hurting everyone else in the world too. And being unable to say his goodbyes to Emma because he's being controlled in his final moments with her crushes him too. And then... at last Emma finally speaks out upon continuing to recognize something is wrong with him. At last!! We've caught glimpses of Emma recognizing something's wrong with Killian before. First in Smash the Mirror Part Two, when Killian runs up to her in the mansion to make sure she's okay just after Gold first rips out his heart, as she looks into Killian's eyes after he forcefully kisses her, as she asks him if he's okay. And then again in Fall, when Killian comes to Emma to say his goodbyes just before the Spell of Shattered Sight falls over everyone. Emma touches her lips and looks after him in confusion once he walks away. Unfortunately, both times she shrugs off her sense of uneasiness that something was wrong with Killian, most likely because she feels she's worried about nothing and because Emma has a tendency to doubt herself. Until this moment in Heroes and Villains. Emma at last really recognizes that something is truly wrong with Killian after Gold finishes talking through him as she senses how strangely he's talking, then Killian attempts to walk away from her. But more so... I love that Killian reaches down to grab Emma's arm in plea despite Gold's power over him and Emma knows then that Killian is in trouble. He's begging her for help, without being unable to say a word or do anymore. And this brings me to my biggest nitpick I have about this episode... I really hate how Emma does nothing to help Killian after she undoubtedly comes to know without a doubt something's wrong with him. It's like she still shrugs off her sense that something's wrong with him and ignores his plea for help upon grabbing hold of her wrist, and instead... she and the Charmings go with Elsa, Anna, and Kristoff to the mansion so those from Arendelle can return home. I like this moment between them as they say goodbye to their friends from Arendelle, but surely helping them to get home could have waited a little bit longer, while Emma rushed after Killian to help him. Were it not for Belle saving Killian when she did by taking control over Gold with the real Dark One dagger, Emma would have been too late to save Killian, and Gold would have succeeded in crushing Killian's heart. And that makes me quite angry really. I really wish the writers would have changed this episode up just a little bit to help fix what little I dislike about this episode. But with this being said... my final favorite scene throughout this episode is the moment between Belle and Gold at the town line, as Belle orders Gold over the town line to protect everyone from the beast she finally comes to see him as once again. As tragic as this scene is, being forced into a powerless world away from her and his real true love that is his power is most definitely what Gold deserves. Just desserts. But mostly, I love this scene because it shows Belle with the kind of strength we've seen in her in glimpses throughout the show so far, until that strength in her seems to fade a little because she continuously falls for Gold's and Rumple's lies, time and time again. While I love Belle very much, I feel she is a little too wishy washy in her feelings towards Rumple/Gold, as well as naive regarding his dark and evil ways. And it's a bit annoying to me. But at last... this moment in Heroes and Villains for Belle shows just how strong her character really can be. And while forcing Rumple across the town line breaks her heart because she loves him, she knows she has to protect all of those in Storybrooke, as well as the world from the darkness that's inside of him. Her heart too. And by rendering Gold powerless in the outside world, she succeeds. Absolutely brilliant!! What phenomenal acting from both Emilie de Ravin and Robert Carlyle too. And this scene for me, is one of Belle's best moments throughout the entire show. This is when she is at her best and strongest. Love it! But... Gold isn't down yet! :) He is powerless and he's weak now that he's trapped in the real world outside of Storybrooke. But he has a plan and now he has an ally, and he is about to find more. I love this moment in the very end when Gold comes to Ursula, who also is mysteriously trapped within the outside world and powerless, after seemingly having lost a battle that made her powerless as well. And this sets up the beginning of the season's second arc with three new villains. We have met Maleficent in the show before, but both Ursula and Cruella are new villains brought into Once Upon a Time, with the small exception of the moment in season three's episode titled... Ariel, when Ursula threatens Regina and warns her never to impersonate her again. However, we never actually saw Ursula's true form. Just her appearing before Regina in her magic mirror in the form of a statue that had been erected for her. And as for Maleficent... she was only seen in a few brief scenes until she's killed by Emma way back in season one's finale... A Land Without Magic, when she was killed in dragon form by Emma. You'll just have to wait and see why she's a villain chosen to be brought back into this show for the second half of season four. I can't wait for you to see what's to come in the new Queens of Darkness arc!! Now... I really enjoy the overall backstory between Rumple. Belle, Maleficent, Cruella, and Ursula, as the Queens of Darkness kidnap Belle to try to force the Dark One to give up the gauntlet that leads those in possession of it, to one's weakness so that they can use it against the heroes keeping them from finding their own happy endings, which leads us into a major theme coming up throughout the next story arc. And I love how Rumple later comes back to steal the gauntlet back, which sets up how Belle at last discovers the truth that she's blinded herself to this entire season. The tragic truth that Rumple's true love is his power and not her. Brilliant! :) Next... I was so happy to see that once the Snow Queen's magic over Marian had worn off and she appeared to be okay, Robin chose Regina over Marian, and I was happy that Marian understood that Robin's heart had moved on upon falling in love with another woman. Unfortunately, Regina's and Robin's happiness doesn't last because of course the Snow Queen's magic doesn't appear to have worn off completely like they all believed, and the only way to save Marian at this point, is to send her across the town line. And sadly, Robin needs to go with her, mostly for Roland's sake so he can be with his mother, but also because it would have been bad to send Marian off on her own into an unknown world. This whole scene at the town line is so sad, and sadly... we see Regina finally turn her back to Robin as she tears up the mysterious page 23 that showed her happy ending with Robin. So sad. And if that wasn't bad enough, it makes Regina believe all the more... just as Rumple and the Queens of Darkness all believe as well, that villains don't get their happy endings. And if this is true, then what does this all mean for other villains who have fought to redeem themselves and to try to become heroes? Heroes like Killian? I know you're frustrated, angry, and sad over Regina's and Robin's storyline. I am too, and I do wish that there were some changes in this particular storyline for them too, but I am so happy that you're not one of those people who quit watching a show when something doesn't go the way you want it to. So, thank you so very much for not ever giving up on Once Upon a Time, Jessie! And lastly... I absolutely love how this idea that Regina has questioned a number of times throughout the Frozen arc, is now carrying over into this new story arc and that it's about to become a major theme for what's to come. The belief in whether or not villains can have their happy endings. The heroes like Emma are going to fight to make sure Killian and Regina can have their happy endings, while the villains like Rumple, Ursula, and Cruella are going to fight to steal their own happy endings as well by making sure the heroes lose theirs. I am so grateful for another phenomenal reaction from you for this incredible episode, so thank you so much again, Jessie!!! :) Until your next reaction... Sincerely, Heidi
Heidi Elizabeth Marcum
2021-10-28 14:40:41 +0000 UTC
