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Alicent Hightower 😭😭 Alicent Hightower 😭😭

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Who is acting like Alicent’s innocent? Even she’s admitted she wanted her father around because he’d be biased towards her an her children. She knows what it means to challenge Rhaenyra. But all her haters cling to with venom is she acts so righteous like she’s got the moral high ground but when it comes down to it even they know she does. Her family wields truth like a weapon while Rhaenyra’s cowering in her lies; Daemon was exiled and passed over as heir for Rhaenyra’s exact actions right down to having a sham marriage so even the excuse that’s she’s the rightful heir is flimsy as it was an exception that she refused to live up to. If we ever had any indication that Alicent seduced the king more than being around then maybe there’d be more of an argument that she was as bad as Rhaenyra but even then she didn’t have the expectations of heir to throne like Rhaenyra did. You’re not even defending Rhaenyra or attacking Alicent anymore just saying might makes right like it could all play out nice and squeaky clean but this isn’t Medieval Europe. Comparing it to an Anime is closer to thematically than the real world. It’s a soap opera where Magic exists, read Game of Thrones as you suggested too and see assassination is rampant the strong constantly brought low due to slights and offenses of pride with the honorless and morally bankrupt dying brutally often with everyone they care about suffering for it. It’s literally a theme of the books. She can’t even keep the Targaryen’s safe at the height of their own power, so she doesn’t deserve that power, it doesn’t absolve her transgressions. Rhaenyra could have avoided all of this, multiple times. A little more respect to the nobles and Alicent wouldn’t so easily win the realm to her side. Taking her tour of the realm if she took it seriously and picked a husband she could be okay with, that’s an ally and no bastards to upset the realm. Put in the extra effort with Leanor as inconvenient as that is, at least a legitimate heir to satisfy the realm. The first moment Jacaerys came out with brown hair approach Alicent repentant and seeking Helena’s hand to unite the houses before things spiral out of control. Hell approaching Alicent repentant and with humility ever with the admittance of fault and failure might have once fixed this. But no Rhaenyra only ever bends when forced to, married when forced to stay heir, picking a husband she thinks is acceptable when threatened to lose the throne, offering a marriage only when the bastard nature of her children is all but admitted publicly by her baby daddy. Cole is a snake by the way, keeping him and Larys from execution are Alicent’s sins that’s for sure but that doesn’t make their moral standing hers. Alicent isn’t innocent but she’s in a cage. She can’t leave the king and can’t send her boys away as they will always be weapon that a clever lord can use against Rhaenyra’s bastard. If you think she’s the source of the whispers and schism you didn’t pay attention to how many spy’s and players there always are in Kingslanding. Rhaenyra though can give up the throne, she can even use the excuse of the previous council as a reason to stay and continue to live easy or admit the bastard children and beg merciful exile from a father whose harshest punishment for her has been a political marriage. Between her and her sons that’s three dragons, enough we’ve seen to conquer her own kingdom where she could get assassinated for her disrespect or not like Daenerys. But She’s choosing this fight, Alicent is just getting ready for it instead of going down easy.

Fivefs

Goddamn, aren't you embarrassed to say cringe shit like that? What anime do you think this is? Read up on Medieval European history and come back and talk. Watching goddamn Game of Thrones and talking about honor and duty and shit. There has never been, nor will there ever be a good monarchy, only people good at playing monarchy. This isn't about who's pure of heart or whatever. Power has always been taken and kept. Not a single one of the peasants in that country give a flying fuck who's ruling them. Any noble that wants to fight for the throne will have to recruit bannermen and foot soldiers from their land. How many do you think would run away and desert, or even join the Queen just so they wouldn't have to face the dragons? How long could they last in war when their supply lines on land are destroyed by dragons and their ships blocked by the Velaryons? No trade with each other or the outside world, separated and picked off because they cant face the might of 5-10 dragons. War against a united Targaryen/Velaryon front is suicide. And how is this making Alicent look better? I can understand taking her side because she learned how to play the game quickest. I can respect the talent it takes to become the snake in a rats nest. But you guys are acting like she's innocent in all this. As if she hasn't been going out of her way to splinter the alliance rather than strengthen their hold. By telling her sons to become king, openly challenging Rhaenyra's succession, and spreading the word that Rhaenyra's son's aren't by her husband, she's doing the actual fracturing of the potential alliance.

Argo2Unitard

Cool view but twisted the kingdom and power is more than saying “I’m right” that’s where the Targaryen’s have “Mad Kings” like Rhaenyra thinking they can get away with whatever they want resulting in war after war till finally get ground to dust under Robert’s hammer before fucking off as Jon Snow into the north. Taking a kingdom, might makes right, but keeping it? That’s playing the game, balancing give and take, sacrifice for honor and duty balanced with indulgence. Rhaenyra can’t play that game, you know it yourself. A lie that everyone knows is her only shield while the truth means exile or even death! You say monarchy is all based on a lie, fuck yeah, sure, but the nobles and commoners have to believe that lie. You think Rhaenyra is only afraid of Alicent? That nobles like Larys would just sit comfy when Rhaenyra paints such pretty targets on everyone around her? That a straight up war is the only way to rebel? That dragons save against knives in the dark and casual disrespect eroding law and riots? They all sense how weak she’s made herself in the minds of the people and she already knew she had an up hill fight being a women. She’s dumb as fuck when it comes to playing nobility, spoiled and petty. If she couldn’t keep her best friend’s faith that she wouldn’t kill her kids you think any lords look at her and go “ah yes she’s so reasonable a ruler I can work with I hope she lives a long life” or “oh fuck Rhaenyra I’ll have to do what she says or else, hope she dies soon”? A rebellion was going to happen, silent or bloody, people would die because of her and the rebellion would use claims of Alicent and her children against Rhaenyra if Alicent wanted it or not. Alicent would have to TRUST Rhaenyra to act with DUTY and HONOR to defend Alicent and her children even while a rebellion uses them against her. And we both freely admit Rhaenyra is a liar without honor having never sacrificed for duty when there’s an easier route. As for sexuality
 you do know how semen works right? Like that it’s what makes a woman pregnant and that you can even make it come out yourself without anyone else even being involved? That still works even once it’s in open air, crazy right? It doesn’t even take a test tube or some crazy insertion devices long as it gets in, he can even leave the room with it in a clean goblet for her. At least more than a few times maybe? Would that be too hard? Too much to ask? To stop a war? To keep the throne? To stop the deaths of everyone she claims to love? One legitimate heir? Maybe all you on her side would then at least have a leg to stand on claiming her rights, even if she’d still be unfit for throne in the exact same ways Daemon is an already sexist medieval setting. But yeah whatever, I’ll stop ranting unless people are like me and actually enjoy arguing like this. I love the back and forth and even when being a dick mean nothing personally. Pretty hard to change anyone’s mind on the internet lol

Fivefs

Damn bro, someone pay you to be so confused? Honor, Truth, and Duty? in a monarchy? In an aristocratic government? Are you dumb? Do you even get how a medieval society would work? It's all based on the LIE that someone was born with the right to tell everyone else what to do. And that power is kept through military force and control over commerce. Literally anyone with half a brain can do that if they're born into it. Rhaenyra left because Alicent is being a threat to her. If it gets out, Alicent's kids have a strong claim and will then have a solid backing. It would split the nobles because someone with a solid claim is countering the heir and also has dragons. If Alicent were to say, shut her fucking salty ass mouth, that would no longer be an issue because all the Targaryens and Velaryons would have a united front and no other two-bit nobleman could stand against their forces. I feel like every person that brings up the kids thing has no idea how sexuality works. I wrestled all through high school, rolled around the ground with all sorts of guys in thin skimpy outfits. Didn't get aroused once, you know why? Because I'm not gay. Think about if you had to impregnate your grandma for "duty", you think you could do it? No, and if you answered yes, you have a separate problem.

Argo2Unitard

That’s not how it works
 That’s not how any of this works! Lol The delusion that Honor, Truth and Duty mean nothing. I’m just learning the lot of you are just honorless and cool killing the commoners as long as the princess has fun. This is a world that calls it justified to kill over insults like being called coward, if it was so easy and nobody cared the King could just acknowledge it and legitimatize them. Why else has Rhaenyra run away to Dragonstone to hide and is plotting to act the tyrant so nobody is brave enough to call them on there bullshit. People know and people talking shit and she would rather cut out tongues than admit she fucked around and is terrified of finding out. There was no JOY in the SEX so she totally couldn’t have one legitimate child to stop the nobles from trying shady shit and let her bang her side piece in peace, obviously meant he couldn’t give her kids they tried so very hard. Not like she wasn’t given a two month tour of country to pick any eligible noble man that she gave up on or something. No Alicent don’t call her out let her have her fun, let her kill that innocent servant so she can fuck her uncle, wHy YoU sUcH A HAteR?!

Fivefs

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Bra Isaac

Rightttt.. It feels so natural

Sam

Team green LETS GO!!!!

wroughtship26

Don't worry. I'm team Hightower

Mael

team green, frankly you're delusional and looking at the show sideways, you have the right to choose your team, but be realistic about them, Alicent is a hypocrite, in episode 4 she was disgusted to know that Rhaenyra had " slept" with her uncle and there we learn that she wants to marry her daughter to Aegon.. she says she is straight and etc.. when in reality she keeps Varys in her pocket in case she needs it.. People love Rhaenyra because she's real, she's not perfect but we know what to expect with her unlike the other hypocrite and her father (who was implied in episode 4 that he had killed the father of Viserys to be named hand of the King)

Bra Isaac

Snake

William Tippen

Thats not how it works mate, she doesnt have a say in who she marries. Her dad decides for her.

Fujishiro

I will absolutely not.

Shmengels

What do you think girlboss means đŸ„”

Grelk

And some how Larys is still alive. Pretty strange for someone who add nothing to do with it. He admitted his crime and was not punished. She also gained something from him doing so, she is accountable. Even in the real world there would be a small chance Alcient could plead ignorance in a crime she benefited from. For your argument to even have a chance of working, Alcient: 1. Make sure Larys was punished 2. accept although she might not have meant it, she is accountable 3. Not allow her father to take the position of hand 4. Not act like she has a moral high ground after she didn’t do any of those things. Btw my argument isn’t about her killing anyone. I liked Cersei, she lied and killed when she felt like it. However, she was always true to her self and what she cares about. Which I felt like Alcient was not, she was a bystander in her own life. Hopefully, she stops pretending and starts playing the game.

Dirty_Oldman

Shout out to the casting director, really easy to believe them girls is the same person

Pilausky

"Alcient killed 2 people to get her father back as hand. You can’t argue that fact." Are you drunk? Larys did that on his own, she didn't even remotely imply to kill them.

Pilausky

No she is not, the first time she was straight up was when she was emotional. Alcient killed 2 people to get her father back as hand. You can’t argue that fact. Another thing is pointing out someone else’s issues doesn’t make you righteous or virtuous. A persons actions and reasons behind them factor in, so Alcient is definitely living just as big of a lie. She felt like she had to do the things she did and should be rewarded for her sacrifice. Also Rhaenyra’s lie about her kids fair one to call out. It’s only a lie because they are not Valeryon. They are Targaryen and bastards can take the name of their house if king was to acknowledge it. Are you looking for fairness? Are you looking for quality? Those things don’t even exist in the real world and not gonna exist in a made up one either.

Dirty_Oldman

Lets see; 1. They reference Helena as Aegons queen meaning they are already assuming Aegon will be king. 2. Otto literally says in this episode he is glad Alicent is ready to do WHATEVER it takes. 3. He says Aemond has won a powerful tool to their side. What are dragons used for? 4. When Viserys dies you think they will just go damn guess Rhaenyra will be queen? 5. Alicent has literally been poisoning her children's minds against half of their family lmao. When she and Otto keep lying and say Rhaenyra will kill them and their family you believe they wont resort to a war? You can like Alicent and Otto all you want but they do not have the moral high ground period.

terrakion.is.good

Homie watching the show with his eyes closed

SomeoneElse

Team green

Hassan

Nobody forced her. She also didn’t oppose.

UltrA_ Ojisan

You're an actual dumbass James, Rhaenyra blatantly lying like that and swearing on her dead mother made Alicent question if she really knows Rhaenyra as much as she thought she did, that breach of trust made her think that she cant really trust her word for it anymore and that she may or may not decide to off her kids ( direct stronger claims opposition) down the line to secure her throne.

Fujishiro

Girlboss killed an innocent dude to marry Daemon ^^

Fujishiro

How exactly are they are starting a war lol? And she doesnt want to marry her kids to obvious bastards.

Fujishiro

What was Alicent not honest about?

Fujishiro

Nani? She was forced to marry the king, you are acting like she had a say in the matter lol.

Fujishiro

Rhaenyra was ordered by the king to marry and have kids when she didn't want to in order to secure her line, and was almost immediately ordered to marry a guy THAT LITERALLY COULDN'T GIVE HER KIDS. So she and her husband agreed that she could have kids with whoever and they'd be raised as their own. The bloodline is still valid because Rhaenyra is HEIR, and the kids are HERS. And then was just living her life. Idk what entitlement they see in her, what is she doing that THE HEIR TO THE THRONE isn't allowed to do? Alicent was basically sold by her father to the king and still stans him for no reason. She for some reason believes her snake ass father is the best person for the realm. And she's salty at Rhaenyra for lying about having sex, which only hurts Alicent's feelings. Whereas she lied about seducing the king in order to produce an heir and directly threaten Rhaenyra's status and claim to the throne. And she holds that salt for 10 years. Everyone know's Rhaenyra's kids aren't Laenor's, but they don't care because it doesn't really matter. The peasants don't give a flying fuck, and no nobleman would go against the family that controls the Country's navy and almost all the Dragons. Rhaenyra's kids love Aegon (who doesn't want the throne btw), and wouldn't be bullying Aemond if Aegon didn't goad them. But instead of trying to fix that relationship so that they don't have issues with each other, Alicent poisons her kids' heads with thoughts of taking the throne for themselves. Literally all the current issues stem from Hightower's snake ass and his easily manipulated daughter.

Argo2Unitard

I dont hate her but i also dont feel bad for her. She knew what she was getting herself into.

UltrA_ Ojisan

Fuck no💀I understand how she got here but don’t mean I gotta like her bitch ass or her family. She’s so self righteous she’s like a pray away the gay motherfucker💀

Jahari Fields

Alicent isn’t honest? My man Rhaenyra’s straight up living a lie and had an innocent loyal servant killed this episode so she can keep living in decadence. Really a stretch to call that morally grey

Fivefs

You know who deserves a shoutout though? Laena of Driftmark. Best girl so far? Looking back to episode 2 when she was a little kid talking to the king about dragons - she mentioned the dragon Vhagar - which the king referred too as being out there somewhere, but the dragon being too big for this world.. She went out into the world and found Vhagar at age 15, rode the largest dragon in the world, raised two great kids (that can squabble 😂) and sadly went out like a OG. Give her her flowers over Rhae and Alicent IMO.

Andre

Rhae shady too, you're right. But Rhae has been pretty clear that she's wanted Daemon from the jump. And so has Daemon. Viserys should have just married them off and avoided all of it. But I just don't like the narrative that Alice didnt have ulterior motives too. She did. She does. She's a snake. That's all I'm saying. As long as we acknowledge that, I'm cool. But lets not act like everything falls on Rhae, while ole girl over there is some Angel. Nope she and her daddy had their own plans. They're just mad the king aint serving up his daughter and grandsons on a platter to them, to make their grab at power easier.

Sam

I’m a free agent I’m not on team Alice t but I’m just saying what I see. Most of y’all are putting the sins of the father on Ali. Let’s not act like Rhae ain’t shady
 She literally cannot be trusted, she told Damon to cut through the kings guard and elope with her during her own engagement party😂

Andre

Alicent a petty ass bitch that don't know to mind her damn business

Argo2Unitard

Married her dad, pushed out some boys, meanwhile daddy Otto in the back actively working against her to take her throne. But Rheanerys is the one that cannot be trusted. But also, nothing is Alicent's fault. lol hey u got it. Whatever u say

Sam

Don’t get it twisted, she was 14-15 years old getting pimped out by her father. Every time Otto asked her to see the King she said if that’s what you request or something like that. Then the king told her to not speak of her visits - it’s literally the king saying don’t speak of this. I hear you she could have shown some grace, but at the end of the day she believed she couldn’t trust Rhae anymore, felt betrayed she would lie to her face like that and Otto put a battery in her pack.

Andre

And when she was secretly meeting up with Rhaenerys' dad and everything came to light... That she and her dad were actively trying to make her queen to pump out some baby boy heirs, Rhaenerys forgave her and moved on. But when it's Alicent's turn she all of sudden doesnt give the same grace... over the girl's own sex life. All of a sudden its war? Straight war? She weaseled her way into that family and now forcing them to kill off each other. Nope. Cant get behind that reasoning.

Sam

I wish the writers made it harder to choose a side but so far it’s not really close. If you just objectively look at all the dirt rhaenrya and alicent has done side by side the choice is clear who is a much darker shade of gray. The writers are plainly showing alicent is just green with envy and she is using the excuse to protect her kids to hide her bitterness. No one who is trying to protect their kids would be making the choices that alicent is making. If the first targaryens with only 3 dragons was able to conquer that whole realm how was the ppl really going to force rhaenyra to kill her siblings with all the dragons that family has now? Otto’s whole speech after getting fired that alicent just ran with to excuse her choices makes no sense

jason ross

It’s not about justifying, it’s just is what it is. She doesn’t trust Rhaenyra anymore after that happened and Otto put a battery in her pack - so now she is doing what she feels is best to protect her family.

Andre

Accept the marriage proposal and end any chance of war then?

terrakion.is.good

Nah it’s about trust, Rhaenyra swore on her moms Damon didn’t touch her. It’s not about what she lied about - when the trust is gone
 With no trust between them from her POV it makes sense to start preparing for war, because there’s no way she’s putting the lives of her kids in the hands of someone she does not trust.

Andre

Sorry, I can't justify setting on a war path against your closest friend because she lied once in her life about having sex. Can I understand why? Because she's a child and is being manipulated/coerced by her father? Yes, I can. Does it justify it or make her decision right? Nope, at least not to me.

James

My only issue with Alcient is she isn’t honest. Cersei was up front and you always knew where she stood. Which is why I loved her character. Alcient has potential, just want her to stop pretending. Rhaenyra is pretty close to Danny in my book. Which I can respect as a morally gray person.

Dirty_Oldman

Homeboy above me (Andre) just said Rhaeneyrs lied about her sex life so Alicent started preparing for war. LMAO that's the pettiest shit I've never heard

Sam

😭😭😭😭

Rock Lee

😂😂😂😂😂

Rock Lee

The day Otto put 14-15 year old Alicent on the path to be queen she would eventually have to decide whether or not to trust, and rely on Rhaenyra’s mercy to let her kids live. After she saw Rhaenyra lied to her about Damon etc (remember Alicent had her back the entire time before this). She decided she couldn’t trust Rhaenyra anymore and started preparing for war, y’all mad at her for this?

Andre

Alicent doesn’t have honor either fam. The honorable thing is to not let your ambitions guide you. It’s just about her admitting she ain’t shit either. Lay it all out there and fight it out.

Dirty_Oldman

The amount of mental gymnastics I see in defense of Rhaenyra is crazy compared to Alicent. Like oh if Rhaenyra was a man none of this would matter, NO, take a second and look at Daemon when he was passed over for Rhaenyra, he disrespects nobles, honor and tradition, even his own family, flaunting his privilege and indulgence while having a sham marriage. He pulled the same shit and got acknowledged as bad for the realm and exiled for it. Man or Woman they’re both bad for the throne. Instead of accepting Leanor’s admission that maybe they should give up some Joy and Freedom to act with Honor and Duty for the sake of their CHILDREN Rhaenyra and Daemon laugh and choose to kill a commoner to gaslight the Kingdom into fearing them more. Like what?! You think Alicent will be LESS dangerous if you back her deeper into a corner?!

Fivefs

I can’t my guy. Normally we see eye to eye but do not favor her. I understand she was raised and put in positions where questionable decisions were made for her. I’m sure if she had her wish she would not have selected the King. But her actions are dreadful. She’s purposely putting children lives in danger because she wants a higher status for her children. If it was truly about peace and the betterment of the realm then she would have agreed to marry her daughter to the (known) strong son. And before anyone says the child is a bastard. These boys have been recognized as legitimate by her husband and the King. Every time y’all mention their birth fathers, I want you to think about how you would feel if you adopted your step kids. You would be pissed if someone was maliciously saying, “well they ain’t your kids”.

KenyBeans

That 2nd picture shows her forehead almost the same size as Lee's forehead. You can land a spaceship on that thing.

L.C.

Nah. Alicent walking around like her coat white when it's green with envy. Atleast Cersi let u know she aint shit.

Sam

😂😂😭 Me and Lee out here defending Alicent like: https://c.tenor.com/g1hu-fw9l7YAAAAC/jon-snow-sword.gif

Andre

Hell to the know!!!😡 She hates fun. She can’t have it so she would spoil it for everyone else!!!

LightMyPath Star

1. Single handedly starting a war is not the moral high ground 2. If she is actually afraid for her children's safety she accepts Rhaenyra's marriage offer and has her grandchild on the iron throne 3. How is Targaryen incest accepted in the first place even though it is so reviled in Westeros: because they had the power and the dragons. Those with power do as they want and Rhaenyra doing what she did is mild compared to the things half a dozen of her ancestors have done that the realm has accepted.

terrakion.is.good

Big L.

Yamato

You can’t fuck with yourself? Cause you’re out of your mind if you think they don’t have the moral grounds compared to Rhaenyra, and they’ve admitted there’s selfish reasons, like not wanting her kids dead and that Rhaenyra gets away with everything. The episoded ends with the two most powerful family’s in the kingdom gathered around the Queen and her Kid’s, if you thought the realm and nobles actually are on Rhaenyra’s side you think the Hightower Family could face them alone? I’d like Rhaenyra to admit she has no honor and never makes a sacrifice for anything.

Fivefs

Na Alicent is a living hater

beastboy25

Nah. She is too self righteous. Sometimes its hard to watch you guys lap up the green propaganda so willingly. (still love your reactions anyway lol)

Squidiot

you’ll despise the greens soon enough DONT WORRY

Briana Sierra

Alicent gotta go. I need someone to take her out before King passes.

OP-Wisdom

nah rhaenyra is a girlboss 😎

Grelk

It would be cool if Otto and her just admitted they were player haters and wanted the throne for their own selfish reasons but they have to pretend they have some moral high ground lmao. Just admit you are literally the only reason a civil war is even close to happening and you are doing selfish things for your own ambition. Can't fuck with delusional hypocrites.

terrakion.is.good

I think the show is doing a great job since there's so much arguing over the sides, just like there's supposed to be.

Trayvon Brown

Never lol

Mixedshinigami

Alicent L

MAS‱

Lemme think about it for sec

.. the answer is a flat out no

FireFist500

Team green bby

CLOUDZ ARECOMING

Fr, TEAM ALICENT

C J

Hmm, lemme think about it......... NO

James


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