One Piece Episode 19 UNCUT REACTION!
Added 2023-10-26 11:43:53 +0000 UTCComments
All of the Kuina theories are genuinely atrocious. Her dad had no reason to kill her yet people like to pretend that he did even if they can't name it. It's clear what Oda was doing by giving Kuina a mundane death. Shit happens. People die everyday from random acts of fate or destiny or whatever you believe in. It doesn't matter how much you dream or how ambitious you are. People just die. That's why Zoro is the way he is. He lives every moment as if it could be his last. IF Kuina was ever revealed to be alive, it would completely invalidate and undermine Zoro's entire character motivation. It would be horrible writing and Oda is one of the best writers in Manga. Also, you can't just make a replica of a legendary sword. That's not how that works.
Josh Lomax
2024-10-29 21:50:42 +0000 UTCThey literally show her body in the manga. She's dead
Josh Lomax
2024-10-29 21:31:01 +0000 UTCThe thing that is often a little overlooked here is that her dad never expicitly said she can't do it because she's a girl/woman. He only says she is not ready to get the dojo yet cause she hasn't overcome the difficultys that are special in her way. I think the "I can't do it cause I'm gone be a woman" was the thing she was hiding behind that was keeping her from growing, instead of accapting that she can't do it the same way as the boys and have work around (like in Mulan). That's what was happening after the fight(s) with Zoro, when she was getting stronger again. Also that's why her father liked zoro so much. Her sudden not fighting realted death sets a to show that you can die even if you follow your dream. Also it set's the importend one piece theme of inherited will for zoro.
Skull
2024-02-13 12:21:07 +0000 UTC+1
klairvoyance
2023-10-27 19:47:58 +0000 UTCYes its just sadly a misconseption that happens a lot because of the anime fucking up the adaptation of the backstory
ScarySceptile
2023-10-27 14:18:19 +0000 UTCI would highly recommend reading chapter 5 of the manga where they show zoros backstory, as in the anime they add stuff that makes the father seem weird and they also show a body in the manga.
ScarySceptile
2023-10-27 14:13:01 +0000 UTCI cant remember if Oda actually said this or its an assesment i read a loooong time ago but, kuina dying by pure happenstance means zoro's goal is purely motivated by eachothers dream. Sometimes death happens, there is no revenge, nothing to be mad at, no one to defeat, just life and death. Also in a cool little thing, at the end of the day Zoro never beat Kuina. So when Zoro does become the greatest he's still only second best.
lionstooth
2023-10-27 02:20:28 +0000 UTCFor me its the "but im just an ordinary parent too.." line, and bringing up how kuina was breaking those lines down. its like EOussama said about grappling with an archaic tradition. I read that line as essentially "im human ive made mistakes" kinda deal as him coming to terms with it.
lionstooth
2023-10-27 02:12:53 +0000 UTCsome one piece fan started this on the old forums mid 2000s and if u ask people from japan no one will confirm thats a thing or they never heard of it. its basically debunked. Its just like people saying "araki said in an interview" its made up half the time.
Meme Team!
2023-10-27 02:11:02 +0000 UTCi prefer to view it as oda saying it doesnt matter how big your ambition or skill is. Life, like people, is fragile, everything could end tomorrow so go for your dream while you have it. The whole point is that it isnt a big setup tragedy, its life and its unfair, your loved ones can be here one day and gone the next. cant really get my point across without spoilers. I cant see it any other way, be it own self life taking or a more shonen like path, thats just not oda.
Meme Team!
2023-10-27 01:58:31 +0000 UTCi am not going to rag on you guys for the kuina theories because one piece is the show for that (people have crazier theories crazier takes all the time trust me) and because kuinas death is meant to do that. the whole point of it is to elicit "is that it? that cant be it!" like people have these big personalities and big dreams but one piece is still a world where shit just happens just like in real life. i really like zoros backstory because its so real and relatable people die like that all the time people have these big plans then bam they fall down some stairs get in a car accident struck by fucking lightning you get it. and it reminds you to not take life for granted and to take risks, because life is a risk.
Extra Crispy
2023-10-26 23:02:14 +0000 UTCI know some fans will disagree with me on this but oda never forgets plot threads. Oda portrays scenes with such ambiguity for a reason, because there is usually something that is purposely left unresolved and either shown with such obscurity or with an open ended mystery. Kuina maybe dead or may not be dead, but I think you are right in that later down the line, perhaps and the end of zoro's journey, there will be a revelation about all of this and he will discover the truth. After watching 1000+ episodes, i have learned that even things set up from EP 5 could potentially come back into the story at ep 900 just because the story is so long, don't believe all the fans that try to confirm that this is false just because it hasn’t been shown in years.
Artimes
2023-10-26 21:58:25 +0000 UTCMan this is just getting annoying now, people confirming information that oda mentioned or said something about Kuina's supposed death, in which btw your wrong anyways. There is no such confirmation and the community just wants to draw upon this false narative. But still stop clarifying stuff for them, let them experience the show blindly and let them theorize on things. I mean jeesus we have not even got introduced to a certain character yet. Part of the fun of one piece is to be able to craft your own theories and anlayze things as you see them evolve in the story.
Artimes
2023-10-26 21:10:43 +0000 UTCTo put it simply Oda did not abandoned this plot, in the manga they show her dead body so Oda always wanted her character to be dead nothing more. Oda just wanted to portray real life where ppl sadly just die.
Kiki Varas
2023-10-26 20:48:14 +0000 UTCSadly in the manga they show her dead body. Oda even said she is dead.
Kiki Varas
2023-10-26 20:45:18 +0000 UTCI like your theories but she’s dead. Oda even said it himself, in the manga they literally show her dead body. I understand how you might not be satisfied with how it was portrayed. But the whole point of this was really just to show how ppl can die without warning. I get that bc it’s a show you might think otherwise but even though it’s a show doesn’t mean Oda doesn’t want to portray something realistic, and just bc its not commonly done doesn’t mean he can’t do it. It’s not that Oda changed his mind, like I said, they literally show her dead body in the manga. Odas plan was always to have her character be dead. He wanted to show they can just die one day without notice and that was simply what was trying to be portrayed.
Kiki Varas
2023-10-26 20:42:20 +0000 UTCI'm pretty sure Kuina is roughly the same age as the rest of the kids. They were just showing her as bigger since she's a girl and had hit puberty earlier than the rest. She's better than the rest of them because she practices more and has more pressure on her to be good compared to everyone else. She wanted to be the greatest swordswoman just as much as Zoro Also in the Manga they literally show her body, there's no abandoned hidden plotline, she dead and it was always in Oda's plans to keep her dead. Doubt she killed herself as you guys mentioned so its more likely a terrible accident that shows how fragile life can be which pushes Zoro to chase both of their dreams.
Sloth
2023-10-26 18:57:51 +0000 UTCThat whole "fell down the stairs" thing isn't real by the way. There is no such euphemism.
George Stewart
2023-10-26 18:33:49 +0000 UTCI also agree that she didn’t die. That master is so sus!
LeafyNinji
2023-10-26 17:17:15 +0000 UTCAgreed, if it's in the manga it's fine. But there was someone else who said that all theories have already been debunked.
Ariix
2023-10-26 17:14:03 +0000 UTChmm bringing up something that I think they missed like the coffin in Anime and how Kuina's death was drawn in the Manga is not a spoiler IMO, just heads-up facts to not lead them astray... they can still theorize about Kuina having that info
josephocenada
2023-10-26 16:52:11 +0000 UTCI heard that was debunked. It came from some random comment a long time ago and just took off from there.
Tope
2023-10-26 16:44:44 +0000 UTCI still subscribe to the "her father was involved in her death" theory. His discussion about her, the facial expression watching her fight that man, the "humans are such delicate beings" comment. All read suspicious to me. EDIT: Upon rewatch, I think I actually can accept the idea that there was no foul play, and that she genuinely just died in her renewed excitement for getting better (since she died trying to sharpen her sword). Yes, it's a death that is in service for Zoro's character development, but I'm okay with it. Because, in a way, it doesn't just give him singular focus on his goal but also a greater sense of urgency. Because he sees life as something that can so easily be lost, so he wants to hurry up and become the greatest. Makes the interaction with Mihawk also make more sense.
Tope
2023-10-26 16:11:25 +0000 UTCI only read this recently on some random Reddit post so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently "fell down the stairs" is a commonly used euphemism for suicide in Japan. After rewatching this episode here I do feel the implication is there slightly, especially by some of the lines when they were walking in the rain. No idea how true that is tho
SomeoneElse
2023-10-26 15:52:25 +0000 UTCfor me the worst part is she died because she went to get a sharpening stone for her sword because of the duel she had with zoro
millecamps
2023-10-26 15:45:56 +0000 UTCThe thing about Kuina dying by stairs is that although it sounds unlikely, thousands of people die by falling down stairs per year.
Nik Jovan
2023-10-26 15:33:59 +0000 UTCAlso, as someone who has only read a bit of One Piece, it's kinda annoying to read some comments like "all theories have been debunked". I feel like it's fun to theorize, even if they aren't true, and being told that there isn't more to me just is a spoiler
Ariix
2023-10-26 15:06:54 +0000 UTCI've been waiting for this one since it's so different in the anime compared to the live action mostly because of Zoro's character being changed. The anime really picks up from here until the end of the east blue saga I'm excited about you seeing the changes in the next few arcs as well.
Paragohn
2023-10-26 14:06:02 +0000 UTCIt's funny rewatching this episode because I never really gave much thought to there being more to kuinas death or not but watching this again as an adult and with the knowledge of many anime under my belt im like hmmmm did the dad actually do it in some twisted way to spur zoro on because he know that zoro had the ability to actually become the best in the world but then im like nah. It probably is just likely that yeah she fell down the stairs and died. It's a sad fact of life that small accidents that lead to an early death happen everyday. It's fun to think that there could be more to the story though.
Dune
2023-10-26 14:04:56 +0000 UTCEvery theory about her death has been debunked. No point talking about it further. Shes dead. The saddest part about this whole thing is that even if zoro becomes worlds greatest swordsman. He still never defeated her
Morgan Hellström
2023-10-26 13:56:47 +0000 UTCI'm absolutely enamored with this episode, and Carson, it unquestionably holds immense significance as it serves as the foundational chapter for Zoro's aspiration. The father's demeanor towards Kuina raises my suspicions. On one hand, he often dismisses her as a feeble "female" swordsman, a belief that constantly barrages her from every side like an archaic tradition. On the other hand, he acknowledges her strength and skill, leaving me to believe he, himself, is grappling with the walls of outdated conventions. Contexutal note, Kuina's body is shown visibly at the funeral in the Manga, which only a towel covering her face. However, the fake death scenario is still a popular theory in the fandom. The explanation of her "falling down the stairs" feels more like a cover-up for a much darker reality. I can't help but contemplate whether Kuina took her own life due to the immense pressure of the belief that "women can't surpass men," or perhaps it's exactly as her father put it, "humans are such delicate beings." This is yet another example of the concept of inherited will. Zoro is carrying forward Kuina's dream, and he's doing it wielding her sword, the Wado Ichimonji, as if to keep a part of her alive on this journey. It's the moment when Usopp officially assumes the role of the crew's sniper. And oh, hey, It's Johnny and Yusaku time.
EOussama
2023-10-26 13:04:41 +0000 UTCI don't want to spoil anything for the future so I won't talk about the whole Kuina's thing. I just want to say that the audience for One Piece is meant to be "coming of age" (which is why Luffy is 17 instead of being the classic 14yo boy protagonist), Oda set it up this way so that he could have more mature topics soon enough, he has absolutely no issues in being very direct and clear about harsh and difficult to talk about topics, and is not scared about pushing the boundaries on what should/should not be published on Shonen Jump. You'll see <3
fccview
2023-10-26 12:45:40 +0000 UTCregarding Kuina, there's a coffin in Anime unlike in live-action then in the Manga (Chapter 5) Kuina's body was drawn covered with face towel
josephocenada
2023-10-26 12:21:45 +0000 UTCThe 2 goats of anime have arrived
Omegafn__
2023-10-26 11:53:07 +0000 UTC👀
Whoopsie
2023-10-26 11:45:33 +0000 UTC
