Carson's CUT Rant from The Sabaody Podcast
Added 2025-01-06 11:15:36 +0000 UTCCut this out because I think some people will take this the wrong way, and I don't want to deal with the comments that will inevitably come
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I agree with a lot of what you said, I wouldn’t describe Cp9 as the “strongest killers in the world.” But that’s with hindsight. I personally love ennies lobby for Robins backstory merry and story implications. I don’t think too much about the fights.
Super Novice
2025-01-21 15:51:11 +0000 UTCA character dying doesn't necessarily constitute real stakes, especially if that character is the main player of the story. I mean that is kind of the axiom of shonen series. We don't expect the MC to die because if that happens, the story is over, but what we can expect is some dramatic loss in some capacity, such as the Sabaody incident. So I think what they're trying to say is that compared to previous arcs where you knew the main characters were always going to win in the end, it started to become somewhat predictable and repetitious. Then, when a drastic tonal shift in the story is presented now as quite literally the main Straw Hat crew got defeated and are not just bouncing back in the next story arc, they are actually gone/separated.... Those are real stakes. We are seeing first hand, how he has to handle things himself without the reliance on his crew and the emotional toll that it has taken on him as a character. It breaks that shonen convention that I often hate about so many series in this genre and brings a whole new level of danger and real tension to the story.
Artemis
2025-01-09 04:37:44 +0000 UTCMy thing is can you truly feel the tension of stakes when you know that the show has more then 1000 episodes. In the back of your head you know that Luffy will be alright because you still have so many episodes. Like I get feeling of no tension from the random goons and commanders Luffy was mowing down, but his fight with Lucci. Luffy went down several times in that fight, and won but couldn't even move at the end of it. I don't think you would be saying their were no stakes in that fight, if you didn't know that the show went on. Even at the end, you guys didn't expect the Merry to show up to save everyone, so I feel like knowing how many episodes their are just in general lowers tension, and stakes.
Cheddah Slammer
2025-01-08 16:13:15 +0000 UTCCan’t wait to watch the full podcast! Regarding the enis lobby thing and the lack of consequences, i'm pretty sure the WG hasn’t publicly talked about it lmaooo. They don’t want anyone to know what luffy and gang actually did, it was embarrassing for them and cp9. What happened at sabody had actual consequence because it was a public thing that happened, (it would have had consequences regardless, but the fact it was public hammered it home) they couldn’t even try to hide it. I totally understood your points though. As a major op fangirl, enis lobby is a bit overrated, and a lot of the hype comes from certain moments and not the arc overall, but overall it is a good arc, but the moments (powerups, robins backstory, merry, and others) makes everyone think it’s better than it was. Please continue with your honest opinions and takes, so it doesn’t become an echo chamber of the same opinions.
nofie
2025-01-07 13:37:57 +0000 UTCVery based, very mindful
ChocoBoshi
2025-01-07 01:15:53 +0000 UTCI would say that what essentially makes one piece one piece is that the stakes honestly do not stem from the battles or fights (ask any one piece fan and they’ll probably tell you that the fights themselves are probably the weakest aspect of the series) they stem mostly from the emotional journeys of each character. Like take Enies Lobby, the real payoffs of the arc is not luffy defeating lucci, or gear 2, or even finally defeating in spandam - its robin gaining the resolve to live, it’s Usopp shedding his mask to push luffy forward, it’s the Mary’s goodbye. I think that’s ultimately where the “stakes” lie. Not in the luffy punching someone real hard, but in the decisions characters make and the culmination of their character arcs. This isn’t to say Carson’s critiques aren’t valid, they definitely are and I say I would agree with most of them lol, but I think at some point as a one piece fan you realize where Oda’s real priorities are as a story teller and it’s not really in the fights surrounding the more emotional character moments
Elijah Hernandez
2025-01-07 00:36:54 +0000 UTCAnother thing worth remembering about the Marine captains, unlike the govt agents i forgot to mention, is how the anime depicts them for padding. The fight against them feels more one sided in the manga while the strawhats are mostly stalling for time for Luffy to come back while being swarmed. Like Franky grabbing the berry fruit guy to turn him in a projectile not happening, or Nami and Robin fooling them to get electrocuted etc
Sanji Joestar
2025-01-06 21:53:04 +0000 UTCHonest to god, is this even a "hot take"? I 100% agree with what was said in this video. I love One Piece as much as anyone else here, but the series has become notorious for low stakes; fodder marines, unkillable characters, etc. This is not the hill to die on as a One Piece fan
Potetskall
2025-01-06 21:39:10 +0000 UTCAgreed and the vice admirals did nothing
Donovan
2025-01-06 21:29:07 +0000 UTCI fucked up and scheduled it wrong. I literally spent all night editing and setting up the video and accidentally scheduled it for tomorrow morning 💀
BOLDcast
2025-01-06 20:50:19 +0000 UTCI fucked up lol I spent all night editing it and scheduled it to go up on YouTube at 6am Only instead of scheduling it for 6am on the 6th, I accidentally did it on the 7th
BOLDcast
2025-01-06 20:44:22 +0000 UTCI don’t think they’ve released it yet. They originally were going to finish editing before the holidays but it got delayed. This is just to see cut content from that one (sabaody/amazon lily) when they release it to both YouTube and Patreon
Daemedeor
2025-01-06 19:33:59 +0000 UTCDid I miss a podcast?
megalazyguy
2025-01-06 17:59:44 +0000 UTCI totally agree!!! Water 7 was such an awesome set up arc and people spoke so highly about Ennies Lobby but i just couldn't help but feel a little disappointed
fia
2025-01-06 17:13:55 +0000 UTCEvery other arc meaning all the arcs in one piece even after this one. I’m fully caught up and I’m caught up with the manga. And while there are major consequences for the straw hats actions every arc I still feel the way Carson said about ennies lobby. I know this is something a lot of one piece fans would disagree with me on but I can’t really explain myself here as it will lead to spoilers. I do feel like in the end of one piece I’ll probably be proven wrong and everything will tie up together nicely. Meaning all the arcs and the consequences of the arcs will cause some huge thing that will affect a lot of people which is what I want to happen of course but as of the arcs leading up to current one piece i still stand by what i said.
Franina
2025-01-06 17:09:20 +0000 UTCnahh this is the good stuff LETSGOOO
fia
2025-01-06 16:35:50 +0000 UTCI also agree with Carson, but I don't know what to make of you saying that you feel like that with every other arc. Do you mean every other arc up until Sabaody or actually every other arc in all of One Piece? Because if you really mean every arc then that's not only an extremely spoilery thing to say in itself but I also disagree wholeheartedly with it. You don't need to elaborate (as you said because of spoilers), I just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly.
Sakarael
2025-01-06 16:17:38 +0000 UTCThat title is how you know it’s going to be good.
testlunch
2025-01-06 15:22:36 +0000 UTCI agree with what Carson said. And after I caught up with one piece I still feel this way about all the arcs. Right now currently in the manga I can feel tension but every other arc feels the way Carson was talking about. Not really gonna elaborate because it can lead to spoilers.
Franina
2025-01-06 15:18:47 +0000 UTCI do think Ennies Lobby is overrated but I still love it for its peak moments. I don't love it when Oda writes a situation where every crew member has to have a fight because it forces him to do some dumb stuff to get all of them through it and also slows the progression of the story down a lot. Thankfully he's good at keeping things entertaining in various ways so it's fine but if his story wasn't so whimsical and full of life this stuff would hurt a lot I also think there's a difference between the story hyping up characters for us and the Marines hyping up their own forces for themselves to seem almighty. They hyped up CP9 and the Captains because TO THEM they are very high level forces, but they were not familiar with us nor were they prepared. Ennies Lobby is a judicial island, not a war camp. So it kinda makes sense that they aren't stacked with military might there. Still tho, the issues are felt regardless, to different extents depending on who you are
SomeoneElse
2025-01-06 14:43:29 +0000 UTCYeah i can see why this would trigger a lot of people who wouldn't think twice about what you're actually saying, but you're right lol. The real struggle was more internal regarding the Straw hats and their position in the world while also showing Spandam's incompetence as a leader, which reflects back on the World Government's way of handling things from the bigger picture. Their elite are elite but everything else feels like soldiers thrown in battles bigger than them, not even understanding the "justice " they're enacting. Many things in One piece can feel dull in the moment and get bigger relevance later on. Or the opposite, with Pell, where we get intense moments but the fallout of the moment undercuts itself. I guess it's about juggling those two elements well enough that it doesn't become too jarring. (Love the feeling of false security and trap we were in now that we know what it leads to.)
Sanji Joestar
2025-01-06 14:30:27 +0000 UTCFor me personally the point of Enies Lobby wasn’t for the characters to struggle, it was to show the World Government that the Straw Hats are a real threat that should be taken seriously, and to formally start their feud. I know it was portrayed as a real threat, but that’s just how the Marines always hype themselves up. That and it shows the power gap between regular people and the Straw Hats already at this early stage. CP9 and Enies lobby are extremely dangerous for the average crew of pirates, but the marines learned they aren’t dealing with average pirates.
Will.Har310
2025-01-06 13:40:28 +0000 UTCThis was a BOLD take. But that's what you guys are all about 🤷🏿♂️
Jim Nasium
2025-01-06 12:44:55 +0000 UTCThis is partly the reason why I think Enies Lobby is slightly overrated as an arc. But im really glad Oda wrote it that way because then this saga wouldn’t have hit as hard. You really feel like the Straw Hats are invincible but then it all comes crashing down very quickly and then you realize just how insignificant they are at this point in the story. Moria looks like a genius basically telling Luffy he wasn’t ready for the New World and he’s correct about that.
Solas
2025-01-06 12:19:12 +0000 UTCTy
Darkfusi0n
2025-01-06 12:02:34 +0000 UTCpodcast will be out on youtube in 2 hours
BOLDcast
2025-01-06 11:58:11 +0000 UTCI get what you're saying Carson, I get with later knowledge like the world government having their hands busy with the whole Ace/Whitebeard shit storm one can deduct cope-out justification for it, but as far as that point in the story it does stick out like a sore thumb.
EOussama
2025-01-06 11:53:20 +0000 UTCCome on bro, just put the podcast already 🤣 don't BE shy to put some late intro reactions and some uncut eps 🙏😅
Darkfusi0n
2025-01-06 11:41:45 +0000 UTCYeah, I think Carson is pretty on the money here. Enies Lobby was supposed to cut the tension from the story, I think. That's why Garp came soon after, and the vibe of most of Thriller Bark (up until Kuma) is comedic and not very serious. But like you said, that led the audience and the crew into a false sense of security, like everything would always work out, but Enies Lobby was an exception among exceptions. Things don't work out like that very often.
Bachira
2025-01-06 11:41:44 +0000 UTCCan't really comment on this because spoilers, but interesting thoughts Carson.
Trayvon Brown
2025-01-06 11:38:55 +0000 UTCI agree with your take I think Oda probably didn't feel comfortable with them losing yet maybe had them lose in water 7 to test the waters then knew he had to have them win to get Robin back so after that point Oda probably got a bit more confident in how his readers would interpret a real loss. The fodder marines, captains and even vice admirals are sometimes written poorly as well because either some captains are stronger than Vice Admirals like Smoker in Alabasta compared to one of the random Buster Call Vice Admirals or Oda doesn't show them doing things enough. I think he just believes he doesn't have time to showcase the marines or believes his audience would be uninterested. If more vice admirals we're portrayed like Momonga was in Amazon Lily it would make more sense to me.
Paragohn
2025-01-06 11:38:12 +0000 UTCNoooo why did you cut It? It was cool discussion. Fuck the comments
Albanese
2025-01-06 11:33:26 +0000 UTCYeah make more sense tbh 😅
ViviMay
2025-01-06 11:32:42 +0000 UTCWell, to be fair it felt more like common sense than a rant <3
fccview
2025-01-06 11:27:10 +0000 UTC"nothing happened" he said the thing
giogio
2025-01-06 11:22:29 +0000 UTCwoah hey
giogio
2025-01-06 11:21:59 +0000 UTC
