One Piece Discussion #5 Water 7 Saga Podcast!
Added 2024-09-24 09:53:34 +0000 UTC
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Ennies Lobby shines when the characters (Usopp, Robin, Luffy, Merry... etc.) show have their moments. Tbh, I barely remember most of the fights probably due to the gag like nature. It's like this weird flex by Oda saying, "I can fill an entire arc with gags and still have some of the greatest moments in shonen manga." LOL It's still amazing overall (too many great moments) but everything before and after Ennies Lobby are just so damn near perfect. Water 7 Saga will always be 10/10 for me though. I can still remember reading back in 2010 like it was yesterday T_T
Reunion
2024-10-02 12:02:53 +0000 UTCFantastic discussion, always glad to hear your guys thoughts. On people getting upset at you guys about your reaction to things, I personally enjoy seeing different interpretations and thoughts on media i like. Although i can’t speak for everyone keep up the awesome job of just being you!
Clockwerk9000
2024-10-01 19:14:59 +0000 UTCGreat discussion. Thanks for taking the time to lay out your thoughts, as usual. I paused at 1:34:35 roughly because I got the feeling you guys were beating yourselves up / justifying your lack of enthusiasm at something that was (apparently) hyped a lot. Honestly, I don't remember being that excited by the moments you mentioned myself. But even if I had been, I wouldn't expect everyone to meet the same level of hype as I did. People will hype up certain parts of the show, sometimes for a certain aspect, maybe somebody will remember the arc for totally different reasons too. For me some of the moments + character development + world lore expansion stuck a lot more than the fights (except maybe parts of Luffy's) and frankly I find Kaku vs. Zoro forgettable and dare I say it, a bit lame, even with the Ashura stuff. As you said I find other parts with Zoro a lot more interesting and cool than that specific fight, but it isn't a criticism of whoever overhyped it, as people have different tastes and experiences and they can totally love that Zoro moment. It just depends on what impacts you in the show. One Piece hits a lot of different notes for different people. What resonates with one fan might fall flat for another, and that's totally fine. One Piece offers such a wide variety of themes and moments that everyone will take away something different based on their preferences and what they connect with emotionally or thematically. I feel it is a shame that you end up saying you're sorry and/or feeling guilty about how you reacted and having to talk about that at such length. I know I'm definitely more curious about how you react to the show because at times it's not how I would react. Sometimes, you seem more hyped about stuff I didn't care much about, and that's also interesting. You can surprise me because you'll be in a different headspace. Of course, I speak for myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if other subscribers take a similar approach. You do you.
Jambron
2024-09-28 06:41:18 +0000 UTCThe BaldCast eye-catcher was peak comedy lmao. Never let the cuck theory go, guys, I love that shit.
EOussama
2024-09-25 16:34:10 +0000 UTCI think the issue with Garp in the live action is they make his entire story centered around "pursuing luffy" and that is like his whole goal. It gives you the impression that is all he cares about aside from training koby and helmappo but oda's character is much larger then just that. Garp sole reason for existence is not just to go after luffy like naruto pursue's sasuke. Garp has many things in the world he has to accomplish, given his military status in the navi. Its something I hope they don't continue with season 2, because it truly diminishes his over all signifance and presence in the story.
Artemis
2024-09-25 10:46:10 +0000 UTC1:32:17 think of your self as hmm, maybe 13-14 years old and watching this? What would you consider the ashura moment to be then? I think the reason alot of fans hold onto this strongly as one of their great zoro moments is just simple pure nostalgia as a kid growing up watching it. Our perspectives have radically changed now that were older and see things through a very different critical lens. Especially when the concept of it is great and has that cool factor, but the execution of it in terms of its production just simply fails.
Artemis
2024-09-25 10:08:38 +0000 UTCI hear what you're saying about CP9 nerfed members, but it could also have been an intentional thing by Oda to make their fights more gag-like because all of the CP9 members, including Rob Lucci, didn't have a lot of experience using their Zoan forms. These powers were brand new to them. In fact, if you analyze the fights, you may notice that when ever they get the upper hand, their utilization of the 6 powers is what caused the most damage against the straw hats. Because this is a skillset they have honed for many years, being part of an agency that uses assassination techniques. Just something to consider, i guess. I do understand though that as a story, it works against itself because the characters lack any kind of stake for the fights. I also never was in the camp that Ennies Lobby is the best arc, and this is one of those reasons why. I personally think lack of stakes, pacing, and inconsequential cliche story moments like going after multiple keys to get to robin, bogged the arc down. But like Carson said, there were some very high peaks, and I guess it's one of those arcs that people love for those reasons and some of the action pieces like gear 2nd. I also loved the presence of the CP9 threat in water 7, which is why i personally felt a bit betrayed after there horrible showing in ennies lobby, exluding rob lucci. Anyways it was a decently good arc but deffinitly not even in my top 5.
Artemis
2024-09-25 09:11:12 +0000 UTCNo way they're already theorizing about Shanks being a villain this early LMAO. I know Shanks being a bad guy is like a top3 popular theory in the community, but I didn't think Lindsay & Carson would pick up on it this early
Z
2024-09-25 07:02:40 +0000 UTCI'm cleaning my studio tomorrow, this is perfect to listen to..thanks guys!
boredbeck
2024-09-25 06:33:20 +0000 UTCWOW, agree fights overall with CP9 was pure dissapointement. Don't listen fans that get offended for zero reason. Honest reaction >>>>> Fake
Jack Shadow
2024-09-25 04:17:55 +0000 UTCi agree with the enies lobby take. i never had it in my top 5 arcs and i hate when people hype it up on every channel like its THE ARC. Its good, it just never really stuck with me as well.
Chris Shadow
2024-09-25 03:02:11 +0000 UTCThis was worth the wait, def the best OP discussion so far. Thanks for the hard work you guys. Looking forward to more Thriller Bark
100Rainy
2024-09-25 01:34:15 +0000 UTCthats a good point
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 21:32:49 +0000 UTC@ 59:30 Its sort of tangential to what you were saying and I'm sure you already know and I'm not trying to correct you, just adding to it. In Robin's case she also isn't only doing the morally grey/bad things for the sake of her own survival (We don't know it when we meet her or even when she joins us, but we learn in Enies Lobby) she carries an additional burden of the legacy and history of the entirety of not only her own people but the world at large. You mentioned that something that distinguishes a characters morality is whether they are holding to their beliefs or forsaking them purely for survival. In Robins case that is the initial explanation but her character has the secondary layer of the burden she has as well. I think going back to the scene in Alabasta where she has given up, its even more heart breaking when you realize that she has probably wanted to die since she left Ohara, but the only thing keeping her alive was the desire to fulfill her peoples goal. Only to come face to face with the reality that no matter how hard she works she can never do it on her own. In other words, for Robin, holding on to her beliefs (Or being "morally good") *was* doing whatever she needed to to survive. Where as for other characters, accepting their death as not to compromise their beliefs would be viewed as the morally good thing.
ChocoBoshi
2024-09-24 20:19:13 +0000 UTC2:09:30 Just FYI with some extra fun facts that idk, if no one mentioned before. Since One Piece is a long-running TV series, the main VA of the Strawhat crew is considered to have a 'regular' job that comes into the recording booth every week. So if their MAIN character does not have many lines in the chapter/ episode, sometimes they would take up some extra recording for the 'animal companions' on the show (while using a fake name as a disguise). This means the studio does not need to pay extra to cast VA for the animals, so it is good for both ;). Examples like Sanji - Karoo; Zoro - Pierre; Nami - Su and Gonbe; Usopp- matsuge/lashes. So next time you can try to identify more!
Fay_Lazward
2024-09-24 19:33:35 +0000 UTC1:53:12 Yes i know exactly how it feels guys. I wouldn't want to rank them, since Strawhat as a crew, is a wonderful representation of found family. Tons of other types of families can also be found in the One Piece world, and they are all full of heartwarming moments/stories. Which is a successful scheme of Oda, but it left a terrible impact on me... if I bought any OP merch, i'd want to get the merch with the whole crew on it first
Fay_Lazward
2024-09-24 18:57:18 +0000 UTCSomething something great podcast something something 👍🏽
J.D.
2024-09-24 18:36:57 +0000 UTCThanks!
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 18:31:39 +0000 UTCOkay this might sound weird, but I like watching these long discussion of yours eventhough I don't even watch One Piece lol. I just think its such a nice change up from the normal reactions you guys post.
Devil_pls
2024-09-24 18:31:10 +0000 UTCRight
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 18:23:18 +0000 UTCI’m not trying to change your point. Sorry about assuming that. It’s just the boat crashing into Nahohara’s port is canon. The mass casualties cause from it is not canon.
Monkey D. Lucci
2024-09-24 18:09:49 +0000 UTCShe had a say whether to contribute to Crocodile’s plans is my point. She was at a low point, and had her own goals, so she chose to be complicit when she could have done anything else. Whether or not the boat itself is canon doesn’t really change my point I just hope people understand the conversation I’m having and engage with that rather than focussing on that one point so much
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 17:41:33 +0000 UTCYes that makes sense to me I should have said that
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 17:38:39 +0000 UTCCobra said, “We lost so much and gained nothing…” Thats from the english translation in the anime when you watch it either on netflix or crunchyroll. When that line was spoken, the camera shot was focused on building rubbles. I can see that line can be interpreted into anything. It could mean the country, it could mean the people being manipulated into division, and it could even mean casualties of the land. In the VIZ manga translation, Cobra does say, “We’ve suffered terrible losses. And gained nothing in return.”
Monkey D. Lucci
2024-09-24 17:08:26 +0000 UTCSome people could view this as a negative. Some people don't see it as a negative necessarily, but still view Luffy as the weakest of the Big 3 MC's, comparing him to Naruto and Ichigo. It's all personal preference at the end of the day. Naruto is my least favourite of the Big 3, but I still have Naruto as an MC over Luffy (with Ichigoat number 1)
Matthew Gilroy
2024-09-24 16:59:43 +0000 UTCso be that guy: something
Drakojin
2024-09-24 16:52:43 +0000 UTCNice
ignorantWeed
2024-09-24 16:49:13 +0000 UTCDidn't Cobra said that they've suffered terrible losses because of the civil war
Gino
2024-09-24 16:42:11 +0000 UTCThey are pirates not heros
Porco
2024-09-24 16:23:22 +0000 UTCThanks for the content to help make my work day fly by!
UltimaJosh
2024-09-24 16:09:14 +0000 UTCWant to listen to this at work tomorrow let's see if I can wait that long😭
Donna
2024-09-24 15:39:33 +0000 UTCWith the drought, yes. During the war, I would argue thats up for interpretation because the only shown deaths was the Tsumegeri Guards who drank the Hero Water before dying. The rebel army and royal army aren’t really shown to be dying, only driven to madness by the constant onslaught of violence. Sure, it’s a war and having no causalities at an uprising like in Alabasta is unheard and makes no sense if you’re looking at it realistic. My argument is that throughout this series, especially the East Blue saga, Oda does take a fairy tale approach to the narrative, by being inspired by it and using it towards characters like Usopp or Chopper. With Alabasta case and for Vivi especially, her arc is her nation and her people including her family. It would make no narrative sense if Pell, Koza, Chaka, and Ingram do actually die because that wouldn’t make Vivi’s arc a happy story. Its a perfect fairy tail story, a princess who wants to save her country against a tyranny evil organization with the help of her friends, that manages to defeat the evil forces and saves the country. Not only saves the country, but also her father, her three uncles (lol) and her friend all survive miraculously like a perfect children’s fairy tale.
Monkey D. Lucci
2024-09-24 15:27:57 +0000 UTCI feel the exact same way about Ennies Lobby 😅
L.Joy
2024-09-24 15:13:25 +0000 UTCso excited to watch this tonight🕺
beannieswife
2024-09-24 15:02:35 +0000 UTCWant to clarify this was my own point of view of Luffy's growth while watching up to this point :D
Martin Hagen
2024-09-24 14:58:01 +0000 UTC3:35:30 Exactly Lindsey. It is not about how the world affects Luffy, but about how Luffy affects the world (from the series up to this point, 300+ episodes in)
Matthew Gilroy
2024-09-24 14:54:37 +0000 UTCAnd before people start saying Satori, that fight introduced Mantra, which was used throughout the arc
Matthew Gilroy
2024-09-24 14:43:07 +0000 UTCStill, the point is a lot of people died in Alabasta.
Gino
2024-09-24 14:39:58 +0000 UTCHere We Go
Sanji Joestar
2024-09-24 14:29:54 +0000 UTCGreat podcast guys! I think the part about Luffy's character growth is an interesting topic. Ever since we were introduced to Luffy, he hasn't really changed that much, but we've got to know his principles and his beliefs pretty well. So in these arcs the crew comes across opponents that challenge these beliefs and principles, and Luffy perseveres because his will is unshakable. That for me is Luffys character growth. How hard can he get tested, and how far is he willing to go for his beliefs, through more and more difficult trials. So when he stands on the roof top of Enies Lobby shouting to the world government to "Bring it on!" to get Robin back, taking her burden onto himself and the crew too, it's not something you would be surprised or taken aback by, but makes the character so much more endearing because of course Luffy would do that!
Martin Hagen
2024-09-24 14:25:39 +0000 UTCJaya/Skypeia was the most planned saga up to this point. Little to no instances of Oda writing on the fly
Matthew Gilroy
2024-09-24 14:20:05 +0000 UTCGood discussion so far, but I had to pause to comment something. Now Carson, I’m not trying to get at you and your opinions. I just feel that you’re using the boat that killed and plowed down civilians in Nanohara as something that is de facto cannon when that scene is overdramatized in the anime than when it was depicted in the manga. In chapter 171 & 172 of the manga, that boat only crashed into the port causing mass hysteria for the civilians. There wasn’t any civilans’ casualties shown in the panels when that boat crashed and when Mr. 2 started to cause chaos by burning the town. I think what you have to question is whether or not Robin is really complicit because of Crocodile causing drought across Alabasta for two or three years. She really didn’t have any say to his plans, only to find the poneglyph and find out either the void century or the ancient weapons. Sorry I yapped too much.
Monkey D. Lucci
2024-09-24 14:07:25 +0000 UTCThis podcast is about to be a fantastic feast with meats and cheeses
Matthew Gilroy
2024-09-24 10:59:59 +0000 UTC3 hrs and 41 min of fuel for my video editing sessions HYYYYPE
Reunion
2024-09-24 10:56:33 +0000 UTCYeah sorry it kept taking so long lol I really felt like I was gonna get it out day after day But whatever, we made it
BOLDcast
2024-09-24 10:27:49 +0000 UTCEditson going into ring: "i edit this mofo like no tomorrow" Podcast #5 going into ring gong rings Editson sitting in the corner after x rounds, exhausted: "damn this podcast got hands" :D :D hyped to watch it after work
Drakojin
2024-09-24 10:11:22 +0000 UTCHell yeah, I've been hyped for this one
Kenneth Lyngdoh
2024-09-24 10:05:09 +0000 UTCWork is gonna be so easy this week end with this one, thank you ❤️
ideo
2024-09-24 09:56:15 +0000 UTC
