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Transforming Transformation

Greetings everyone!

In the week following a patch release, leading up to the public release, I make it a point to stop development and focus on fixing bugs and taking in feedback from community. This is so that once the public release does go live, there's no glaring issues that I can't fix because I'm already waist-deep in the next development cycle.

...Also I sleep sometimes...

Anyway, what's really been on my mind lately is how player transformation works in The Company. With every update, the transformation system becomes more and more complex, and more and more a focal point of discussion. With that, I decided to take a hard look at the system as it is now, versus how I envisioned it, and talk about where I'm likely going to take it in the near future.

Transformation: The Dream

From the outset, I wanted to create a system that allowed for fluid gender transformation from Male to Female and everything in between. Based on the player's actions, their character would experience gradual physical changes as a result of their choices. Acting feminine as a Male would gravitate you towards being a Female and vica-versa, with Transsexual being the middle ground. With this system, your character would be in a constant state of "gender flux" throughout the game!

Transformation: The Reality

Ultimately, my vision for the game outgrew a 3-stage gender system. Where did Sissies, Bimbos and "transsexuals with large breasts" fit into this system? Three gender stages became six gender stages, with two of them (Trans and Shemale) being extremely similar, and another two of them (Sissy and Bimbo) not actually being genders at all! What's more, people generally preferred aiming for a specific gender state and keeping it there to suit their playstyle. This resulted in players gaming the system to reach their destination, then walking on eggshells to avoid moving into another gender state.

The system became one that didn't make a ton of sense as it was broken down, and yielded gameplay tendencies that were neither fun nor interesting.

It's Not All Bad

While the transformation system doesn't necessarily hit its mark, I'd hardly call it a total failure. I wanted a system that the player would have to think about whenever they made choices, one that would (sometimes completely unintentionally) move them into another gender state they'd need to manage. The "flow" worked, just not in a way that worked well.

Transformation: The Future

So, how can I fix the mechanics of the system while still maintaining the overall spirit? Well, let me introduce...

Transformation System 2.0 - Work in Progress

So there it is. In many ways this is a complete overhaul of the current system, while still leaving the core intact. You still have access to the same gender states you did in the past, however the path to moving in and out of them should now be much more clear than it was before. Rather than a looping, twisting, rollercoaster of a TF system we have now, you can simply think of Gender as an X axis and Dominance as a Y axis.

My goal is to have this new system in place in the 5.3 update, coming out after the Interactive Event updates (5.2) and before Sophie's update (5.4)

Let me know what you think about these changes. The system is still in development, and I'm still working out some kinks, so feedback would be helpful at this stage. I believe that, once in place, we'll not only have a much more elegant TF system but one that allows much more flexibility in the future!

Comments

This makes more sense than the previous one and removes dominance from affecting gender, which seemed to make little sense. I hope that the new system gives a bit more weight to clothes and other items as well in the gendering. I think the sissy category is the more problematic of all of them since it presumes that a submissive male is a sissy, which is not how male D/S plays out. Sissy can also apply to trans and males equally. I do like that you have included the kink, that said, it seems like its placement within the larger universe of gender and dominance needs some more thought. I honestly don't have a solution myself, I just see it as the odd one out. One axis that seems missing is sexual orientation and desire. I am not sure the game has space for it right now, although it seemed to be partially alluded to in the encounters with Chris.

Likewise. Certainly not against transformation, its a really cool mechanic from a game play perspective, but I tend to leave forced transformation off. Having said that, the three-dimensional way of altering your character via gender and dominance is a superb idea.

I'm probably in a tiny minority here, but I'm not particularly into gender-bending and I always play without the transformations. There are plenty of other kinks and themes in the game that hold my interest. So no real input to offer, just wanted you to know fans like me exist :)

Dubsington

Chapter 3 is nearly finished being written, but nothing to share details wise yet.

Westane

so no ideas for chapter 3 yet :( see ya in a week a I Guess... work hard stay safe have fun

Josh Nichols

5.2.38 will be releasing to the public this Saturday. I've already started working on the next minor content update. I'll be posting an updated road map next week.

Westane

so in gist there going to be a playable update soon? or is it going to be just the past update with bug fixes and stuff?

chris

For the most part that will largely be the same as it is now. Dressing feminine, wearing makeup, bottoming in sex acts involving penetration will be considered feminine actions. Dressing masculine, preferring to top with a penis/strapon, etc. will be considered masculine actions. The degree at which this things affect you will depend on your current gender, and you gender identity.

Westane

Ok... How will you judge what action is actually more female and what action is male? I'm not trying to go into the whole gender fluid topic here. I'm curious. Its quite easy to judge dominance and submission but gender "type" actions?

Lech

Oh boi futa is the thing i was wating about

That's not a bad idea. The actual numbers are still up in the air.

Westane

I would actually add two recommendations, first of all the lower part of the dominance it would be better to be 20 rather than 40, if you think about it a character with 40 is only a bit submissive, so becoming a sissy wouldn't make any sense at that point, at the very least the character should be very submissive, on the other hand a bimbo is more related to intelligence so you could add that stat exclusively for the player if needed, if you wanted to give it importance then you can relate it to "easily fooled or not fooled by NPC", in the future it could help against involuntary transformations giving more options or hinting what could happen choosing one or another in events and interactions, but well that's mostly it.

This seems like an interesting way to take the gameplay, and I like it. From a narrative persepective, less so. There's a disconnect between what happens Male<>Trans versus what happens Trans<>Female. Male<>Trans is a matter of behavior and maybe chest size. Trans<>Female is a complete change of reproductive organs, including creation/eradication of penis/testicles or vagina/uterus/ovaries! It's difficult to imagine that such dissimilar effects could be the result of the same kind of chemicals....maybe nanobots ...

Ross

Uhhhh i like it!

Gurt

That'd be fun!

Westane

I agree that the Bimbo change isn't ideal, but without having to add another stat to track something like player lust. It's something I'll be working on for sure.

Westane

"At 40 Dominance, move from Female to Bimbo" Will this be able to be ignored? I like playing a non dominant female but I don't like playing a bimbo. Same with male and trans becoming a sissy. Otherwise I think it's a good change.

Valkyrie115

I've been working on something very very similar to this for my game. It's interesting to see how you've designed yours. Your way of only needing to track two stats is definitely simpler (which I think is a really good thing). With mine, I separately track Bust, Cock, and Balls/Pussy values, and change them depending on what the PC decides to perv on. When the Cock value goes < 0.5", I start calling it a clit. When the Balls/Pussy value drops below 50%, there are no more balls and it starts turning into a deeper and deeper pussy (kinda how Wanton Cove does it). This allows for herms and cuntbois, too, and the de-linking of dominance from physical sexual characteristics, but the data that has to be tracked and how and when it gets modified gets to be kind of a headache. I think these programmatic slow-TF mechanics games are really fascinating, and would love to chew the rag with you at more length about it if you want. :3

Echo Hollow

Once the content is implemented the scenario you describe will be easily maintained. That said, the futa options may not come with this revision of the system, but they are coming.

Westane

Really looking forward to the Herm/futa content and hoping it gets expanded a lot more in the future. Also when I'm a Herm I would like it to be possible to have a vagina, large penis and large breasts without it changing me in any way.

Belly97

In the future would you consider an option to allow Gender changes but slow down the changes within the gender? I suppose having them based off dominance would probably allow enough control for my liking, though, at the same time I really enjoy the total control.

TheMGA

I like this direction a lot. I typically utilize the options to stop (or slow down) the transformations because I found that I would be forced into Bimbo all the time, which I agreed felt like a weird option for gender.

TheMGA

"Serum can be used to increase and decrease chest size" Always surprised me that with all the serum one creates the player is the only one using them, save the few times Penny does and the accidental with John (though he doesn't use it directly). John might want the player, in the slut scenario, to have larger breasts and administer serum he gets from Penny. Since the serum lowers dominance that would come in handy for him. Diana might want a more compliant bottom. How would the npc's feel if they found out the player has been dosing them? Julia seems keen on not accepting laced drinks, why are the other people so trusting? Would Sophie be alright, if not encouraging of them enacting some type of "revenge"? What of the family? I'd imagine Dakota would have a field day. I think there is a lot of story that could grow from if "trust" were a factor. I like the sliding scale looking forward to the story and dynamics as progress is made.

Domina

Ultimately, I want to keep the aspect of the TFM accident in play. A Male with large breasts (under the effect of the TFM) would undeniable become more feminine rather quickly. A Female with no chest at all would be pulled towards Trans as well, but at a slower, more manageable pace. That's why breast size, and possibly penis size, will have an impact on TF. What's important is the level of that impact.

Westane

The pre-Sophie maintenance update was always intended to tie up any loose ends before moving into meatier content patches. I don't foresee this being "too" time consuming to implement and it'll make things move quicker in the long run.

Westane

You may be misreading, as Dominance (under the new system) has no bearing on transformation. Sissy and Trans aren't the same thing, and Dominance doesn't impact transforming from Male to Trans. I agree completely that Dominance should not impact transformation, which is why I designed the system this way.

Westane

I think dominance should not have any effect on gender. The system as outlined makes female unaffected by dominance whereas male will shift to trans if dominance is lowered. This seems pretty weird. Why is male affected by dominance but female gender is not? Either you need a better definition of the trans stage or a better definition of the male stage. That said, ascribing dominant to a male gender and submissive to a female gender seems, on its face, a pretty outmoded way of thinking...

Adding Herm or Futa seems like a great addition. Perhaps a new formula to let you lock your gender settings once you have them where you like.

John

It's difficult to judge a game mechanic without testing it, but it seems ok. The only thing I don't like is that I would have preferred for the Sophie's update to be prioritized. We old folks that are here from way back are dying for more story and more serums possibilities.

This. Please do it!

Oh, yay, great! It will be possible to create penis or tits of the dream! It'd be interesting to see all these in action soon.

ZULEYKA GAMES

The breast size thing seems a little restrictive. If we can adjust them with serum, why have that influence TF state? I’m also hoping there will be a way to lock the pc into a given state.

Twisted Kidney

Well now you can fuck up for the worth of 90 points without changing gender, that probably leaves some wriggle room action wise. This system seems very simple to manage.

waffel

is it possible to implement a system where you can set the amount of serum you make in a batch so you don't have to click through 10-20 manual doses. It's really a lot of clicking!

waffel

It sounds as if it's not going to be possible to settle anymore except for on the end of the scale, meaning keeping any trans status is going to be difficult. I'm not sure how I feel about that at all, especially with trans getting half the space to work with compared to Male and Female. I guess the question I have at this point is what is the problem you're actually trying to solve? Is it that people have a hard time getting to the state they want? I'm not sure this system will solve that. That they can't retain the state they want in a way that makes sense (only really a problem if they play with forced TF)? As described this doesn't seem to solve this issue either. That you feel the players aren't transforming enough? If this is the case, why do we need more? At the moment the tfs are used to change scenes in relatively minor ways (the overall theme doesn't change, but how your genitals interact does) and for a lot of players they want to view these scenes with a specific gender in mind. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your description here but this just seems to be making an already complex system more complex without a lot of payoff.

Troqu

I really like the herm idea too.

lightningshifter

Seeing Futa as an option really made my day. Looking forward to playing around with it.

Vasadariu

Oh fuck yes, this is exactly what I've been needing in TC - the breast/dick size variability in particular :D

centerflag982

I have a question regarding your pregnancy comment. Do you plan to add content based on whether player or character react to being pregnant in future plans for game? As of now I know it can happen if your not safe and you implemented birth control I'm just curious if there will be reactions to said occurrences?

My only comment would be if it's possible to start as a trans instead of just male or female?

Zhaliora

This look great and i hope that it is easy to change the system

Mitchell barcus


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