Transforming Transformation
Added 2018-04-18 07:00:01 +0000 UTCGreetings everyone!
In the week following a patch release, leading up to the public release, I make it a point to stop development and focus on fixing bugs and taking in feedback from community. This is so that once the public release does go live, there's no glaring issues that I can't fix because I'm already waist-deep in the next development cycle.
...Also I sleep sometimes...
Anyway, what's really been on my mind lately is how player transformation works in The Company. With every update, the transformation system becomes more and more complex, and more and more a focal point of discussion. With that, I decided to take a hard look at the system as it is now, versus how I envisioned it, and talk about where I'm likely going to take it in the near future.
Transformation: The Dream
From the outset, I wanted to create a system that allowed for fluid gender transformation from Male to Female and everything in between. Based on the player's actions, their character would experience gradual physical changes as a result of their choices. Acting feminine as a Male would gravitate you towards being a Female and vica-versa, with Transsexual being the middle ground. With this system, your character would be in a constant state of "gender flux" throughout the game!
Transformation: The Reality
Ultimately, my vision for the game outgrew a 3-stage gender system. Where did Sissies, Bimbos and "transsexuals with large breasts" fit into this system? Three gender stages became six gender stages, with two of them (Trans and Shemale) being extremely similar, and another two of them (Sissy and Bimbo) not actually being genders at all! What's more, people generally preferred aiming for a specific gender state and keeping it there to suit their playstyle. This resulted in players gaming the system to reach their destination, then walking on eggshells to avoid moving into another gender state.
The system became one that didn't make a ton of sense as it was broken down, and yielded gameplay tendencies that were neither fun nor interesting.
It's Not All Bad
While the transformation system doesn't necessarily hit its mark, I'd hardly call it a total failure. I wanted a system that the player would have to think about whenever they made choices, one that would (sometimes completely unintentionally) move them into another gender state they'd need to manage. The "flow" worked, just not in a way that worked well.
Transformation: The Future
So, how can I fix the mechanics of the system while still maintaining the overall spirit? Well, let me introduce...
Transformation System 2.0 - Work in Progress
- Transformations still occur at night, as they always have
- The Company now only has 3 genders:
- Male
- Transsexual
- Female
- The player's gender now moves linearly along a gender slider, from Male to Female
- The Gender slider is a 100 point scale, from -50 (M) to 50 (F)
- Male:
- At 0 Gender, move from Male to Trans
- At -10 Gender, move from Trans to Male
- Transsexual
- At -10 Gender, move from Trans to Male
- At 10 Gender, move from Trans to Female
- Female
- At 0 Gender, move from Female to Trans
- At 10 Gender, move from Trans to Female
- Cannot move from Female to Trans if pregnant
- Male:
- Feminine actions move you up the scale and Masculine actions move you down it
- Gender Identity will remain to let people settle more easily into their desired gender
- Dominant and Submissive actions have no impact on the scale
- Each gender now has different variations depending on Dominance
- Male
- At 40 Dominance, move from Male to Sissy
- At 60 Dominance, move from Sissy to Male
- Transsexual
- At 40 Dominance, move from Trans to Sissy (Small Penis)
- At 60 Dominance, move from Sissy to Trans
- Female
- At 40 Dominance, move from Female to Bimbo
- At 60 Dominance, move from Bimbo to Female
- Male
- Breast augmentation can now be handled via TFM serum
- Chest sizes are
- None/Fleshy - Male/Sissy Default
- Very Small - Trans Default
- Medium - Female Default
- Very Large - Bimbo Default
- The size of your chest will have an impact of TF depending on your gender
- Males/Sissies with a Medium/Large chest will move rapidly (if not instantly) into Trans TF
- Females/Bimbos with no chest will move slowly into Trans TF. Identifying as Female may further slow (if not negate) this effect
- Trans will be affected less by chest size, but a Very Large chest will push them into Female and no chest will push them into Male
- Serum can be used to increase and decrease chest size
- Events may result with you have your chest modified against your will
- Chest sizes are
- Penis augmentation is on the table, allowing for control over penis size as well as Herm/Futa gender state for the player. This will require a more extensive update to the current content, however, and likely won't make it into the first revision
So there it is. In many ways this is a complete overhaul of the current system, while still leaving the core intact. You still have access to the same gender states you did in the past, however the path to moving in and out of them should now be much more clear than it was before. Rather than a looping, twisting, rollercoaster of a TF system we have now, you can simply think of Gender as an X axis and Dominance as a Y axis.
My goal is to have this new system in place in the 5.3 update, coming out after the Interactive Event updates (5.2) and before Sophie's update (5.4)
Let me know what you think about these changes. The system is still in development, and I'm still working out some kinks, so feedback would be helpful at this stage. I believe that, once in place, we'll not only have a much more elegant TF system but one that allows much more flexibility in the future!
Comments
This makes more sense than the previous one and removes dominance from affecting gender, which seemed to make little sense. I hope that the new system gives a bit more weight to clothes and other items as well in the gendering. I think the sissy category is the more problematic of all of them since it presumes that a submissive male is a sissy, which is not how male D/S plays out. Sissy can also apply to trans and males equally. I do like that you have included the kink, that said, it seems like its placement within the larger universe of gender and dominance needs some more thought. I honestly don't have a solution myself, I just see it as the odd one out. One axis that seems missing is sexual orientation and desire. I am not sure the game has space for it right now, although it seemed to be partially alluded to in the encounters with Chris.
2018-05-09 15:40:05 +0000 UTCLikewise. Certainly not against transformation, its a really cool mechanic from a game play perspective, but I tend to leave forced transformation off. Having said that, the three-dimensional way of altering your character via gender and dominance is a superb idea.
2018-04-19 08:08:05 +0000 UTCI'm probably in a tiny minority here, but I'm not particularly into gender-bending and I always play without the transformations. There are plenty of other kinks and themes in the game that hold my interest. So no real input to offer, just wanted you to know fans like me exist :)
Dubsington
2018-04-19 02:51:51 +0000 UTCChapter 3 is nearly finished being written, but nothing to share details wise yet.
Westane
2018-04-19 01:33:12 +0000 UTCso no ideas for chapter 3 yet :( see ya in a week a I Guess... work hard stay safe have fun
Josh Nichols
2018-04-19 01:06:36 +0000 UTC5.2.38 will be releasing to the public this Saturday. I've already started working on the next minor content update. I'll be posting an updated road map next week.
Westane
2018-04-19 00:26:23 +0000 UTCso in gist there going to be a playable update soon? or is it going to be just the past update with bug fixes and stuff?
chris
2018-04-19 00:22:58 +0000 UTCFor the most part that will largely be the same as it is now. Dressing feminine, wearing makeup, bottoming in sex acts involving penetration will be considered feminine actions. Dressing masculine, preferring to top with a penis/strapon, etc. will be considered masculine actions. The degree at which this things affect you will depend on your current gender, and you gender identity.
Westane
2018-04-18 20:54:51 +0000 UTCOk... How will you judge what action is actually more female and what action is male? I'm not trying to go into the whole gender fluid topic here. I'm curious. Its quite easy to judge dominance and submission but gender "type" actions?
Lech
2018-04-18 20:49:58 +0000 UTCOh boi futa is the thing i was wating about
2018-04-18 20:08:57 +0000 UTCThat's not a bad idea. The actual numbers are still up in the air.
Westane
2018-04-18 19:50:39 +0000 UTCI would actually add two recommendations, first of all the lower part of the dominance it would be better to be 20 rather than 40, if you think about it a character with 40 is only a bit submissive, so becoming a sissy wouldn't make any sense at that point, at the very least the character should be very submissive, on the other hand a bimbo is more related to intelligence so you could add that stat exclusively for the player if needed, if you wanted to give it importance then you can relate it to "easily fooled or not fooled by NPC", in the future it could help against involuntary transformations giving more options or hinting what could happen choosing one or another in events and interactions, but well that's mostly it.
2018-04-18 19:47:29 +0000 UTCThis seems like an interesting way to take the gameplay, and I like it. From a narrative persepective, less so. There's a disconnect between what happens Male<>Trans versus what happens Trans<>Female. Male<>Trans is a matter of behavior and maybe chest size. Trans<>Female is a complete change of reproductive organs, including creation/eradication of penis/testicles or vagina/uterus/ovaries! It's difficult to imagine that such dissimilar effects could be the result of the same kind of chemicals....maybe nanobots ...
Ross
2018-04-18 19:10:02 +0000 UTCUhhhh i like it!
Gurt
2018-04-18 15:59:54 +0000 UTCThat'd be fun!
Westane
2018-04-18 15:31:06 +0000 UTCI agree that the Bimbo change isn't ideal, but without having to add another stat to track something like player lust. It's something I'll be working on for sure.
Westane
2018-04-18 15:30:46 +0000 UTC"At 40 Dominance, move from Female to Bimbo" Will this be able to be ignored? I like playing a non dominant female but I don't like playing a bimbo. Same with male and trans becoming a sissy. Otherwise I think it's a good change.
Valkyrie115
2018-04-18 15:25:21 +0000 UTCI've been working on something very very similar to this for my game. It's interesting to see how you've designed yours. Your way of only needing to track two stats is definitely simpler (which I think is a really good thing). With mine, I separately track Bust, Cock, and Balls/Pussy values, and change them depending on what the PC decides to perv on. When the Cock value goes < 0.5", I start calling it a clit. When the Balls/Pussy value drops below 50%, there are no more balls and it starts turning into a deeper and deeper pussy (kinda how Wanton Cove does it). This allows for herms and cuntbois, too, and the de-linking of dominance from physical sexual characteristics, but the data that has to be tracked and how and when it gets modified gets to be kind of a headache. I think these programmatic slow-TF mechanics games are really fascinating, and would love to chew the rag with you at more length about it if you want. :3
Echo Hollow
2018-04-18 15:19:55 +0000 UTCOnce the content is implemented the scenario you describe will be easily maintained. That said, the futa options may not come with this revision of the system, but they are coming.
Westane
2018-04-18 15:16:27 +0000 UTCReally looking forward to the Herm/futa content and hoping it gets expanded a lot more in the future. Also when I'm a Herm I would like it to be possible to have a vagina, large penis and large breasts without it changing me in any way.
Belly97
2018-04-18 15:10:21 +0000 UTCIn the future would you consider an option to allow Gender changes but slow down the changes within the gender? I suppose having them based off dominance would probably allow enough control for my liking, though, at the same time I really enjoy the total control.
TheMGA
2018-04-18 14:41:38 +0000 UTCI like this direction a lot. I typically utilize the options to stop (or slow down) the transformations because I found that I would be forced into Bimbo all the time, which I agreed felt like a weird option for gender.
TheMGA
2018-04-18 14:39:36 +0000 UTC"Serum can be used to increase and decrease chest size" Always surprised me that with all the serum one creates the player is the only one using them, save the few times Penny does and the accidental with John (though he doesn't use it directly). John might want the player, in the slut scenario, to have larger breasts and administer serum he gets from Penny. Since the serum lowers dominance that would come in handy for him. Diana might want a more compliant bottom. How would the npc's feel if they found out the player has been dosing them? Julia seems keen on not accepting laced drinks, why are the other people so trusting? Would Sophie be alright, if not encouraging of them enacting some type of "revenge"? What of the family? I'd imagine Dakota would have a field day. I think there is a lot of story that could grow from if "trust" were a factor. I like the sliding scale looking forward to the story and dynamics as progress is made.
Domina
2018-04-18 14:27:11 +0000 UTCUltimately, I want to keep the aspect of the TFM accident in play. A Male with large breasts (under the effect of the TFM) would undeniable become more feminine rather quickly. A Female with no chest at all would be pulled towards Trans as well, but at a slower, more manageable pace. That's why breast size, and possibly penis size, will have an impact on TF. What's important is the level of that impact.
Westane
2018-04-18 13:58:29 +0000 UTCThe pre-Sophie maintenance update was always intended to tie up any loose ends before moving into meatier content patches. I don't foresee this being "too" time consuming to implement and it'll make things move quicker in the long run.
Westane
2018-04-18 13:45:23 +0000 UTCYou may be misreading, as Dominance (under the new system) has no bearing on transformation. Sissy and Trans aren't the same thing, and Dominance doesn't impact transforming from Male to Trans. I agree completely that Dominance should not impact transformation, which is why I designed the system this way.
Westane
2018-04-18 13:44:01 +0000 UTCI think dominance should not have any effect on gender. The system as outlined makes female unaffected by dominance whereas male will shift to trans if dominance is lowered. This seems pretty weird. Why is male affected by dominance but female gender is not? Either you need a better definition of the trans stage or a better definition of the male stage. That said, ascribing dominant to a male gender and submissive to a female gender seems, on its face, a pretty outmoded way of thinking...
2018-04-18 13:35:58 +0000 UTCAdding Herm or Futa seems like a great addition. Perhaps a new formula to let you lock your gender settings once you have them where you like.
John
2018-04-18 13:26:48 +0000 UTCIt's difficult to judge a game mechanic without testing it, but it seems ok. The only thing I don't like is that I would have preferred for the Sophie's update to be prioritized. We old folks that are here from way back are dying for more story and more serums possibilities.
2018-04-18 11:57:38 +0000 UTCThis. Please do it!
2018-04-18 11:54:11 +0000 UTCOh, yay, great! It will be possible to create penis or tits of the dream! It'd be interesting to see all these in action soon.
ZULEYKA GAMES
2018-04-18 11:18:13 +0000 UTCThe breast size thing seems a little restrictive. If we can adjust them with serum, why have that influence TF state? I’m also hoping there will be a way to lock the pc into a given state.
Twisted Kidney
2018-04-18 09:42:58 +0000 UTCWell now you can fuck up for the worth of 90 points without changing gender, that probably leaves some wriggle room action wise. This system seems very simple to manage.
waffel
2018-04-18 09:23:43 +0000 UTCis it possible to implement a system where you can set the amount of serum you make in a batch so you don't have to click through 10-20 manual doses. It's really a lot of clicking!
waffel
2018-04-18 09:17:56 +0000 UTCIt sounds as if it's not going to be possible to settle anymore except for on the end of the scale, meaning keeping any trans status is going to be difficult. I'm not sure how I feel about that at all, especially with trans getting half the space to work with compared to Male and Female. I guess the question I have at this point is what is the problem you're actually trying to solve? Is it that people have a hard time getting to the state they want? I'm not sure this system will solve that. That they can't retain the state they want in a way that makes sense (only really a problem if they play with forced TF)? As described this doesn't seem to solve this issue either. That you feel the players aren't transforming enough? If this is the case, why do we need more? At the moment the tfs are used to change scenes in relatively minor ways (the overall theme doesn't change, but how your genitals interact does) and for a lot of players they want to view these scenes with a specific gender in mind. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your description here but this just seems to be making an already complex system more complex without a lot of payoff.
Troqu
2018-04-18 09:07:25 +0000 UTCI really like the herm idea too.
lightningshifter
2018-04-18 09:04:57 +0000 UTCSeeing Futa as an option really made my day. Looking forward to playing around with it.
Vasadariu
2018-04-18 08:07:50 +0000 UTCOh fuck yes, this is exactly what I've been needing in TC - the breast/dick size variability in particular :D
centerflag982
2018-04-18 07:39:17 +0000 UTCI have a question regarding your pregnancy comment. Do you plan to add content based on whether player or character react to being pregnant in future plans for game? As of now I know it can happen if your not safe and you implemented birth control I'm just curious if there will be reactions to said occurrences?
2018-04-18 07:35:09 +0000 UTCMy only comment would be if it's possible to start as a trans instead of just male or female?
Zhaliora
2018-04-18 07:17:59 +0000 UTCThis look great and i hope that it is easy to change the system
Mitchell barcus
2018-04-18 07:07:25 +0000 UTC