FIRST TIME WATCHING: Stranger Things S4E2!!

I think I'm on my 3rd rewatch of Stranger Things with Nat's commentary xD

SmokeAndACoffee

She reminds me of my first GF I broke up with her after I found out she was a bully. And yeahhhh its was the 80's in Cali lol full of self important mean people.

Jayson Phillips

No lie, but the whole 'resolution' with Angela was cathartic for me. I loath bullies, especially smug ones that always get away with it. Having her reduced to tears after being such an awful person was the highlight of the episode for me. I get that some people think it was 'going too far' but you have to remember that most bullies won't stop until you hurt them back. Its why I had a very low tolerance for them as a kid - words are one thing, but if they took it any further or targeted others I'd end it with them begging for mercy. Might be dark, but it worked - no-one touched me or my friends after a few incidents like that. I didn't hit them with a roller blade, but I would sit on them and twist their arms if they got physical - only way to stop them when it gets to that stage. You can't reason with bullies like a rational person, you just can't.

Laura Thornley

Me. I'm Enzo

Enzo Calderaro

Lmao I love how you're just calling him Luke. But his name is Lucas

Heather McNeely

The antagonist this season (Vecna) isnt the same entity/creature as the last 2 seasons (the Mind Flayer). Tho there are some similarities like the tentacles & psychic powers. I liken the Mind Flayer to an invasive parasite while Vecna seems to be more of a typical horror movie villain.

Trevor S Bright

No, she was calling him that from the beginning.

Rosanne Stewart

They "killed" off hopper in the last season because the actor David Harbour was cast as hellboy in the reboot, if the reboot had taken off he wouldn't have been able to shoot season 4 but they stuck in the little tease at the end about the American just in case. The reboot was a flop so he was able to come back.

Bowkind

It's a term of endearment, so I don't see the need to flinch. Nat may have gravitated to that due to the character Lucerys on House of the Dragon who is sometimes called Luc.

Ed Green

If you like Stranger Things, check out Brand New Cherry 🍒 Flavor miniseries on Netflix... don’t let the name fool ya! It’s hardcore supernatural horror to the bone only ALL ADULT, whereas ST is half about 80s kids. Set in the 90s, starring my yaaasss queeeen Rosa Salazar aka Alita Battle Angel herself. It’s a dark and freaky ride. I just finished watching Natty Gold’s reaction to Jessica Jones which I loved when it first came out...

James Quinn

I remember watching part of Mazes and Monsters but I couldn't finish it because it was just too ridiculous.

Richard Maurer

It doesn't matter that I know Hopper survives, I still weep when he "dies" at the end of Season 3. Seeing the grief of El and Joyce is just heartbreaking. Also, Nat, I flinch just a little bit every time you call Lucas "Luke." Literally NO one has in the show has ever called him that.

Rosanne Stewart

Had the worst exam today, so seeing this really made my day! Great reaction :)

Bee

its not shown well but back last season they had to leave after thinking she killed hop so quickly because the Russians were coming, that was the ones who found him and then by the time the military got there they were gone (you can see they took bodies with them)

Tesh

^^^^ yes completely agree

Tesh

The actor you were trying to figure out who he was was the actor who played “the man with no face” who trained Arya from Game of Thrones.

Travis

I'd like to recommend "The Other Guys" because Brett Gelman (Murray) is great in that haha It's a buddy cop comedy starring Will Ferrell and Mark Walberg.

Kirk Andrew Uhl II

Setting up a corrupt mall construction deal through buying off local politicians, playing the capitalist American system against itself from the shadows, is not that difficult to pull off. But by the time they're escaping from the US military storming Hawkins, they're doing it in person, on foot, with the pressure of time and manhunts against them, and with a prisoner. All that combines to make their exit a way bigger hassle than their entrance.

Ed Green

Jaqen H'ghar= the Faceless Man/Assassin who trained Arya Stark

Alan Felicia

Nat, we've all been holding our tongues for like 2+ weeks after you thought Hop died, lol...glad we can finally admit that they were hinting he was alive at the end of season 3

Chris Lane- Venturi 3D

Remember when you said you can't imagine Hopper to be still police chief in season 4? You were right!

sharmcant

Mazes and Monsters with Tom hanks

Daniel Vezina

10$ on T2 for Friday

Daniel Vezina

^^^ Was thinking of commenting the same thing!

Amanda Ray

pull back more and realize you're completely fine with Russians getting to the US, installing a huge facility under a mall, running tests on this machine that blacks out an entire town, them living here for over a year, and keeping things secret the whole time. or are we just glossing over that entire premise and only having a problem with them getting Hop out of the country?

Jack Burton

It does however conjure an image of half a dozen Russian military personnel struggling through the Indiana countryside with a captive American, scrambling to get to some sort of Black Widow-style airfield where they can fly to Cuba or something. It implies a lot of extra logistical nightmare for the escaping Russians.

Ed Green

This season is so good! Rewatching the other seasons with you, I noticed everytime Billy was being taken over in season 3 we got the bell chimes from the grandfather clock as well. Also, not sure if you placed him, but Enzo is the actor who played Jaqin Hagar in Game of Thrones.

Lisa Tosti

I don’t know what you aren’t understanding. I quite literally mean I wish they wrote the story differently so Hopper died there. Clearly I know he never died I watched the show lmfao. But you’re fooling yourself if you think they didn’t write it as a death fake out for the audience.

Dante

When the military stormed the underground facility at the end of the S3 finale, it's totally empty. All the soviets are gone. So they clearly evacuated out a back door before the US military could get all the way down that super long tunnel. Hopper didn't go through the portal, he just jumped over the railing and landed on the level below, which shielded him from the blast. When the soviets evacuated, they just took him with them.

Isak Haugerud

They didn't reverse anything. He never died. The people who died by the machine in S3 left puddles. You can clearly see there was no puddle where Hop was standing when Joyce looked back. He had just moved positions (dove off the scaffold) away from the machine. The way it was filmed left a little doubt on Hops fate. There was no reversal. There was no death. I don't get why this is so hard to wrap your mind around. You were 100% wrong in your ASSUMPTION that Hop died... so much so you've convinced yourself that they somehow re-wrote the story. They didn't. He never died. There was no death. Does that clarify it for you? You have to be able to admit that you were wrong and assumed something happened that never actually happened.

Jack Burton

No Austin, I literally never mentioned any of the other seasons. I haven't even commented on a Stranger Things reaction before this. So I'm not sure how you could know my opinion on the other seasons. You like strawmans, huh? They make things so much easier, you don't really have to think as much. No, what I said was that what happens with Hop's story this season is ludicrous and pulled me out of the story past the suspension of disbelief that I already had for a horror/fantasy show. The ankle bit in later episodes is a great example. Congrats on being able to ignore plot holes, but I'm not you.

John Cedar

I agree. The show is called Stranger Things, where monsters travel through dimensions and a little girl has telekinesis, my disbelief is already suspended while watching every single episode..

Austin

I don't understand why it's such a stretch to believe the Russians were able to grab Hop and get out of there. It would have taken, what, 5 minutes? The timeline of that episode wasn't a solid piece of film. It's dubious on purpose. There is no 'the military got here exactly 3 minutes after the machine was destroyed, and the military had the entire facility controlled and all secret exits and tunnels locked down so this doesn't make sense how they could have grabbed Hop and escaped with him...'.

Jack Burton

I am very clearly not the only person who has this opinion. I never said I thought the mystery of Hopper's fate was well done. In fact, I very clearly stated that I wish there was no mystery. I wish he was just dead. Killing characters in a story is very impactful when done right and I think they did it right with Hopper only to reverse course in the end.

Dante

Weirdest take on ST I've ever read, tbh. You think since the mystery of Hopper's fate was so well done that he should just be dead. Logic is flawed here since they couldn't have committed to him being dead because... wait for it... he was never dead. Nothing to commit to. Also, early in S3, people who got zapped by the machine left a puddle of themselves on the floor. There was no puddle were Hop was standing when Joyce pulled the keys... so it was telegraphed that he survived, somehow. You missed the signs. There is no commit to something that never happened.

Jack Burton

I see the confusion with Hopper ending up in Russia, but it seems to me fairly clear that the Russians are trying to open a portal from Russia to the US. Remember in season 3 Alexi said that just the machine in Russia wasn't enough to open the gate; they also needed a machine working at where the gate was weakest: in Hawkins ( that opening scene of Season 3 is at the machine in Russia where Terminator guy kills Lead Scientist #1, not in Hawkins. It's a full year later before they get the machine up and running in the US too, which is what activated the mind-flayer particles). Like.. think of Russia and the US as two rooms in a house that are side-by-side and The Upside is just the space in the wall between the rooms. The explosion at the machine in Hawkins sent Hop through the gate and into Russia

SmokeAndACoffee

Hey Nat, I recommend against looking up actors before you finish the season, it might lead to accidental spoilers

Flo

It took a lot longer than a minute for the US military to get in there, they would have to run all the way down that insanely long tunnel first. Joyce and Murray got all the way back to the green goo room before they ran into them. Plenty of time for the soviets to escape out a back door with Hopper. It's kind of a plot hole for sure, but only a small one.

Isak Haugerud

That would be great

Josip Buretić

Wait John, you mean before the end of season 3 everything was completely logical and plausible? I must've been watching a different show then...

Austin

I've mentioned before that the kids in the show are about the same age as me. I definitely remember the Satanic panic over D&D--in newspapers and magazines, on TV, everywhere. A girl I had a crush on in high school--a purple-haired, dressed in black, listening to The Cure and The Smiths girl--invited me to come to a special thing at her church and I went because she was super cute, and it was a traveling preacher telling people about the evils of rock and roll and D&D. I think she might have been trolling me, but I have no idea. We had a cop come in to tell us how bad drugs are and in between telling us urban legends about babysitters getting high and putting the baby in the oven, he made sure to tell us other urban legends about how Satanists were everywhere and you could sometimes find the symbols they leave around--the peace sign, for instance. So that's the Satanic panic. As a Midwesterner growing up in the 1980s, I can also tell you that schools, parents, adults in general really didn't take bullying seriously. Kids fight, that's what they do. You need to learn to stand up to the bullies. Hit them back. Show you're not scared. 1986 was the year I started high school, and it was only a couple of years after that that the school started a "zero-tolerance" policy toward violence, which was mostly aimed at making sure kids didn't wear t-shirts of heavy metal bands.

Kevin Mowery

Your guess of who the American was was close it wasn't papa but it was her dad.

Chanfyr

I thought the implication was that he was blown through the portal to the Russian side before it closed, but yeah, kind of ambiguous how he ends up in Russia

Steve J

John Wick Chapter 4 is only a few months away… can we finish that series? Maybe one movie a month until release of chapter 4?

djKENTO

Well, it is a bit of an 80's/90's troupe that the action hero becomes increasingly indestructible as the movies go on.

Steve J

Surprise movie=terminator 2?

jamie jones

everything to do with hopper after the end of s3 defies logic and reason, and sometimes physics tbh

John Cedar

Love Hopper and love this season but definitely think they should have committed and killed him off. The season 3 finale is my favorite episode of the show but knowing Hop lives definitely diminishes it a little for me. I just thought his death was really well done and fit the story so well.

Dante

The actor who plays 'Enzo' was Jaqen H'ghar in Game of Thrones.

Lee Gannon

Definitely enjoyed watching this with you. :) Looking forward to more!

Logan Kerlee

He just jumped over the railing to the level below, which shielded him from the explosion. He didn't go through the portal.

Isak Haugerud

iMarks

Also the finale is like 2 and a half hours. So definitely needs some planning! Pretty much a feature film length at that point.

Jenn Rose

So hyped to see so much Stranger Things! Really looking forward to this week and beyond!!!

Jenn Rose

Yeah.. they should have just let Hopper be dead. Lol

Chris Mcbrayer

Nat - not sure if folks have mentioned it before, but the last few episodes of this season of ST get super long, a couple are like 1.5 hrs from what I recall, just FYI for planning.

Erik Stevenson

Yes!! Stranger Things all week? Can’t wait!!

Amanda Ray

Yo, yo, yo! Happy to be among the first to watch. :)

Logan Kerlee

Happy Monday Nat. Hope you had an awesome weekend. You're looking cosy in the thumbnail today 🤗 Looking forward to a week in Hawkins 😊 That was such a cool episode. You're still determined to get everybody moved out of Hawkins Nat 😂 Dirty double-crossers getting us all worked up over Hopper, and there he is, a few feet away. Damn them 😊 Poor El. Having a hard time of it, but she needs to control her anger better. Thanks for a great video today Nat 💛

Darryl Low