FIRST TIME WATCHING: GOT S7E7!!
Added 2021-09-01 16:01:03 +0000 UTCHey guys!
Here is my reaction to the Season 7 FINALE for Game of Thrones! Man, I can't believe we have just one season left! What a journey this has been.
As always, thanks so much for your support here on Patreon! Until the next one, ✨stay golden!✨
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Original Series: Game of Thrones
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I wish someone at HBO would have called it out on them after season six. It’s still not a good season but if the degradation had ended there it would still have turned out acceptable.
Björn Von Knorring
2021-10-03 01:41:59 +0000 UTCI’d like to tell our Golden girl to save herself the time and effort and only watch the first 2 episodes of season 8 and call it a day and make your own conclusions, trust me it’s far better to do that then what comes next on this seasons Conclusion. But then you’re aware of this. But I know you’re gonna have to see it through to the end. My biggest regret is I’m gonna have to pay good money to buy this crap season on dvd as that’s the only option I have of watching them, and the last season only has 6 episodes and it’s the most expensive,??? The best thing about season 8 was the documentary THE LAST WATCH highly recommended viewing and I’m sure Nat will find this fascinating due to her background.
RebRox65
2021-09-13 21:31:31 +0000 UTCI was not aware of that, that's even worse! I wonder how much say J.R.R. Martin had in that. With as protective as he is with his material, I.E. his view on fan fiction, I would have thought he would want its integrity kept.
The Heathen Jay
2021-09-13 19:10:01 +0000 UTCHBO offered D & D more episodes, more time. HBO wanted to give the series what it needed. D & D were the ones that wanted to end it quickly, they wanted to move on to other projects.
Jennifer Tremblay
2021-09-13 15:04:46 +0000 UTCSometimes I wonder if Littlefinger started the whole "she was kidnapped" bit. Because when Sansa is talking about Lyanna in the crypt, Littlefinger has this look on his face like he knows what actually happened. But he doesn't say anything, and I think he doesn't because saying something could point to his deception. And Since Lyanna and Rhaegar were married in secret, Robert probably didn't know. How did Robert find out? Did Littlefinger start the rumour before Rhaegar could announce his marriage? So many questions haha. We know Robert's temperament. Like you said, even if he knew the truth, he probably would have gone to war for her.
Jennifer Tremblay
2021-09-13 14:55:21 +0000 UTCQyyburn got a big ol' "Qyboner,"when he was looking at the dead hand hahaha
Jayson Orlando
2021-09-13 13:37:56 +0000 UTC34:30 nat "what is this" answer is "bad writing" ahah
Hugo deroo
2021-09-13 10:01:36 +0000 UTCthe fact you haven't been disappointed by seasons 4-7 presumably 8 as well, is more than a bit weird. it is what is though
H Taylor
2021-09-13 03:27:33 +0000 UTCgiving them way too much credit they lied and finessed their way into fame n money they never had talent. the first three seasons were legitimately good but thats bc of the source material.
H Taylor
2021-09-12 13:00:18 +0000 UTCAlso too egotistical to hand it off to more talented writers to finish it properly.
David of the North
2021-09-11 13:37:18 +0000 UTCAbout Jon and Dany, They're actually Aunt and Nephew, which was perfectly normal at the time(Jon Grandfather married is Aunt), if you look at all the real life Dynasty, there's a lot of inner family marriages, to keep the power inside the family. I had the infinite pleasure to saw Ramin Djawadi perform GOT music in person and it was on of my favorite shows ever and I've seen a lot( I lived in Quebec city where we have the best festival music in the world aka FEQ).
Daniel Vezina
2021-09-10 01:14:10 +0000 UTCSorry i didn't see this comment until now, but you never went "What? That makes no sense" at anything the characters did or said in the last two seasons? You didn't see any of the interviews with actors showing disappointment and frustration with S8?
Opti_Frog
2021-09-08 12:02:53 +0000 UTCNOT A SPOILER! Hey Nat 😊 hopefully you see this, but thought you should know that HBO offered the show runners to go to season 10 with 10 episodes per season. But the show runners didn’t want to work on the show for longer than they did. That’s probably why it feels very rushed.
Jordan Harper
2021-09-07 12:00:28 +0000 UTCSo why would you ever think Jon is Roberts son? That make absolutely no sense. Why would Ned keep a secret like that from his best friend if it was his son? The only reason to hid it from everyone (including his wife) was that Robert would literally murder him because he was Rhager’s son with Lyanna. Why would you keep Robert having a bastard with Lyanna from him? If anything after loosing Lyanna he would cherish that baby knowing it was a piece of Lyanna so Jon being Robert’s son makes absolutely no sense. No to mention that lords and ladies routinely didn’t have premarital sex with their fiancés.
Lynda Olson
2021-09-06 05:20:18 +0000 UTCIt's a shame that Martin chose to cash in and take victory lap after victory lap for his unfinished product (and still is) rather than actually complete the book series. Martin giveth and Martin taketh away. It's a shame he doesn't have even a smidge of Brandon Sanderson's professionalism in him.
Ellis Hugh
2021-09-05 22:13:13 +0000 UTCI wonder now if Robert knew the truth about Lyanna and Rhaegar. And if that was where his anger and motivation for the rebellion really came from: that Lyanna loved and chose Rhaegar instead of him, instead of believing Rhaegar had kidnapped and raped her.
Marty McGee
2021-09-04 21:56:10 +0000 UTCI agree
warcrimes
2021-09-04 18:36:55 +0000 UTCI haven't seen anyone say this yet so I figured I would. I think you had it correct on the Jaime/Cersei scene the first time. She isn't telling Gregor to put his sword up. She IS telling him to kill Jaime, but it's a bluff to get him to capitulate. Jaime simply calls her bluff and starts walking away. I think it's implied Gregor can kind of "read" Cersei. If she had gestured sharply or done something besides stand there when Jaime walked away, I think Gregor would have iced him. But because he sensed that she didn't ACTUALLY want him dead, he puts his sword up and does nothing.
SixDickSally
2021-09-04 03:57:17 +0000 UTCSomeone's probably already said it, but she's Jon's Aunt, not his cousin. :)
Jennifer Tremblay
2021-09-04 01:27:34 +0000 UTCI would 100% do the same as Cersei in that situation. It's a gamble, but it's smart.
Edwin Bertilsson
2021-09-03 17:09:20 +0000 UTCI read somewhere that J.R.R. Martin wanted 13 seasons and end it on a movie trilogy. The last three seasons they tried to tie up too much too quickly. The next season was by far the most disappointing..... Its all because HOB only agreed to so many episodes from the beginning, that combined with the show extending beyond the source material.
The Heathen Jay
2021-09-03 15:14:22 +0000 UTCI hope you consider watching GoT: The Last Watch once you are done with the series... xx
Krystal
2021-09-03 12:17:12 +0000 UTCDyko, what a lot of people didn't like was not getting the ending they wanted for their fav characters and your ending has just killed most of them off screen.
Paul G
2021-09-03 08:59:05 +0000 UTCI think that's entirely fictional and a made up perception on the part of some fans like yourself.
Trepanation21
2021-09-03 04:41:51 +0000 UTClmao @ Nat, watching Bran's narration to Sam... "Oh no. Oh shit. B-but, Danaerys really wants it :D!"
Trepanation21
2021-09-03 03:41:32 +0000 UTCThose final shots, Wrath of the Lich King, anyone? Somewhat in this season, and particularly in S8, you can tell some of the actors are having problems with their character motivations. They don't really believe the lines coming out of their mouths.
Opti_Frog
2021-09-02 23:54:43 +0000 UTCIf George had completed the books on time, the show would have been one of the greatest of all time. Now it shares the same fate as Lost and other shows which ended poorly.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 22:38:24 +0000 UTCYou might want to look up the definition of "adamant".
Crwn
2021-09-02 21:53:10 +0000 UTCBy the end of season 6 they did what they did and decided the fate of the show which could have ran on and probably would still be on going to this day if only the book material would have been completed or maybe if the show would have been adapted after the finale of the books who knows what kind of show it could have been today.
Frank Rosales
2021-09-02 20:49:46 +0000 UTCUsually there is a trial. This is already established in the ASOIAF universe. Bafflingly, show Littlefinger has surrounded himself with people who hate him. This is the opposite of the way he opperates in the books. But mostly, Littlefinger would never have found himself in the situation the show writers have put him in. He's left himself at the mercy of someone who doesn't trust him. Giving Sansa to the Boltons ruins Littlefinger's (and Sansa's) whole storyline.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 20:35:05 +0000 UTCI'm pretty sure most of what she's reacted to so far has been poll winners so not sure why you would say it's a fangirl thing when the people vote for what she watches next.
Frank Rosales
2021-09-02 20:32:31 +0000 UTCYou signed up in June what's your point there? I found Brian on YT with the same picture and I also use the same pic mine is not an alt account numpty.
Paul G
2021-09-02 19:58:54 +0000 UTCThe show White Walkers aren't all that interesting because they are so 'standard'. Book White Walkers are weird and mysterious to the point we as the readers have no real idea what their plans are and we have access to more information then any of the point of view characters. They are scary via their absence in 99% of the books.
Laura Thornley
2021-09-02 19:50:51 +0000 UTCDyko what do you want them to do for proof then, bring out William Petersen and his CSI team! What do you think constituted evidence back then? Unwilling to admit doing that in both book and show wasn't smart.
Paul G
2021-09-02 19:48:42 +0000 UTCIts definitely going to be a hatewatch for me. I rewatched it once already and it somehow got worse. Maybe the third time will bring it into 'so bad its good' territory now I'm less emotionally invested.
Laura Thornley
2021-09-02 19:47:59 +0000 UTCHappy Thursday, Natalie! 😊 Missed watching this yesterday. So, I'm getting this downloaded right now so that I can watch it later tonight. I'm already looking forward to seeing what S8 brings. Looking forward to watching this during the evening. Have a great day today! 😊 Until the next video, Stay Golden! 💛
Randee Carreno
2021-09-02 17:42:09 +0000 UTCWeird, there's no Brian Jones on YT...plus, you both signed up in may. Alt account? My guess is YES.
The Dog Walker
2021-09-02 17:28:16 +0000 UTCThe White walkers were boring to me as a big bad honestly. Or maybe they just weren’t given a clear enough motivation for me to give a crap. I would rather the time jump happen after The Long Night and spend more time on the political battles. That was core GOT for me. But I also don’t enjoy The Walking Dead so maybe that is why.
Christina
2021-09-02 17:07:06 +0000 UTCHe was hated by everyone in Winterfell, including Sansa. Since the effectiveness of his whole character is built on trust, I would say Winterfell is a "no go" for Littlefinger after he gave Sansa up to the Boltons.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 16:16:13 +0000 UTCWhy? Would have been better than what we got. And George might actually finish The Winds of Winter by 2022 or 2023.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 16:14:48 +0000 UTCJust another reason why it was an extremely stupid plan.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 16:12:26 +0000 UTCWhat exactly does that change, Paul? It's still a "he said, she said" situation. After Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Boltons, he lost all of the good will he built up between them. This is why I think that was one of the dumbest changes from the books. No part of that plan made sense for Littlefinger, and he realistically shouldn't be anywhere near Winterfell after that. If he did go there, he would at least have a contingency of loyal men to guard him at all times, to prevent exactly this kind of situation. Again, Littlefinger is severely dumbed down in the later seasons of the show. The writers just didn't know what to do with him without George's source material.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 16:08:47 +0000 UTCThe pacing that started here and continued in the next season is about all I really don't like about the show. Previous seasons event and character development took many episodes even seasons to develop and bits and pieces were unfolded for you. Here it just rushes through it. And worst past is we waited for 2 years for season 8 to come out. In a piece of irony, the failed truce is the reason the night king was able to breach the wall in the first place. Had they not gone north and needed rescuing he never would have gotten the dragon.
Bubba Fett
2021-09-02 15:50:12 +0000 UTCFun fact, Dragons refuse to cross the wall. Queen Alyssane went to the north during the rule of the Old King Jahearys with Silverwing, and no matter how many times she tried, she couldnt make her dragon fly over the wall. “Thrice I flew Silverwing high above Castle Black, and thrice I tried to take her north beyond the Wall,” Alysanne wrote to Jaehaerys, “but every time she veered back south again and refused to go. Never before has she refused to take me where I wished to go. I laughed about it when I came down again, so the black brothers would not realize anything was amiss, but it troubled me then and it troubles me still.”
Ariel Conde
2021-09-02 14:47:38 +0000 UTCCan't wait for season 8 episode 2. Hands down my favourite episode in the entire series.
Emily
2021-09-02 14:45:30 +0000 UTCCan I bring myself to rewatch 8 😆 Idk prob just cause I’d like to hear your thoughts on it and the series as a whole
Charlie Keeler
2021-09-02 13:22:38 +0000 UTCNat if you think that season 7 was too fast.....just wait till season 8.
Jorge Torres
2021-09-02 13:08:25 +0000 UTCDyko, Sansa saw Littlefinger push Lysa out the Moon Door.
Paul G
2021-09-02 12:37:33 +0000 UTCWhere else would he go? Only to the vale which doesn't progress his want of the throne and he can't go back to King's Landing anymore.
Paul G
2021-09-02 12:32:01 +0000 UTCDyko, interesting but 90% of people wouldn't like it.
Paul G
2021-09-02 12:23:43 +0000 UTCNo more plot-holes than Martin, you could fly a Dragon through the problems that's why we have no finish.
Paul G
2021-09-02 12:21:56 +0000 UTCNo people who call others names in their posts are please proceed with your line by line takedown as I support Brian and everything he's posted we use our names instead of idiotic handles.
Paul Gibbons
2021-09-02 11:46:11 +0000 UTCHi Nat, awesome reaction! I loved how you were relieved with Littlefinger's moment 😆, and of course the entire reaction was worth the trip haha (special mention for Dany-Jon moment 😅) Personally I like this season as a whole, it has its moments however objectively there're too many ellipses, scriptural shortcuts or debatable decisions. I'm looking forward for your briefing with Tyler, I'm so curious about his thought haha And Koda is so cuuute! Unfortunately he doesn't stand still 😄, I hope we'll see him a little more often haha I hope you're fine, take care, be safe and stay golden! 💛
Calo Grsf
2021-09-02 10:20:08 +0000 UTCNat I just wanna say that your channel and your reactions are worth every penny unlike many other patreons. Your amazing, love you.
Dani
2021-09-02 08:54:05 +0000 UTCI don't know who this Brian Jones is but he's definitely a weiner. His posts smell of junior industry internet influencer as these rants are sophomoric and easily refuted. Seriously, who in this day and age begins support for a beleaguered studio asset by attacking the fans, calling them names and blaming it on the poor basement incel? Jesus, that's so 2015ish. Anyway, I can take him down line by line but I'm having difficulty summoning the get up and go...he's not exactly The Hound. But if you all would like to see that, let me know.
chicks dig me
2021-09-02 08:30:10 +0000 UTCIf Jamie is known as ''Kingslayer'' Cersei should be ''Bricklayer''.
chicks dig me
2021-09-02 08:12:19 +0000 UTCLittlefinger was my favorite antagonist of the show. They did him dirty with that pathetic ''slice, dice, thank you thrice'' 50 yard dash by Sansa and Arya.
chicks dig me
2021-09-02 08:06:19 +0000 UTCIn case anyone missed it, Littlefinger is basically the "man behind the curtain", the mastermind who orchestrated the inciting events of the show. He is the enemy no one sees, smiling at them during the day, but creeping up on them with dagger in hand at night. In other words, Littlefinger is really the primary human antagonist of the series. Or at least he will be, when that is finally revealed in the final two novels. And here in this episode, the primary antagonist of the series is taken out like a helpless sheep. Littlefinger left himself at the mercy of a single person by sticking around at Winterfell. It goes against the core of his character. The man who is always 10 steps ahead. He essentially has already shown his hand to Sansa, when he left her with the Boltons. He should realistically consider her a burned bridge at this point. Leaving Sansa with the Boltons was a change from the books that never made any sense. It was another character who married Ramsey in the books. There, Sansa still trusts Littlefinger. But on the show, it could not be more clear that she couldn't trust him less. His whole character is based on the premise of trust. Littlefinger should have never stuck around Winterfell. Even with what the show was trying to do, they failed. Sansa does not present any evidence of Littlefinger's guilt, she only levels accusations against him. The only evidence they give is Bran said he did it. Littlefinger would have laughed at this. But why is he there alone? Why does he have no loyal guards with him? This was the mistake Ned Stark made, why would Littlefinger follow in Ned's footsteps? This is not ironic or "just desserts", it's lazy writing that goes against his character. Again, Littlefinger even being in Winterfell makes no sense in the context of the show. He has nothing to gain here, and he's not delusional enough to think Sansa will just "choose" him as a suitor. Sansa didn't outsmart Littlefinger, she just had an omniscient god tell her what Littlefinger's motives were. Martin hasn't written this part of Littlefinger's story yet, so it's fair that the show writers had no idea what to do with him after he and Sansa went to the Eyrie. This explains why he is basically braindead in the later seasons. I can't blame them for failing, but I can point out that what they did was shit. "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword". I guess this phrase really only counts for men of House Stark (LOL), since Sansa just lets Arya kill Littlefinger for her. Also, I hate that Cersei is the final "big bad" of the show, and I hate how Jaime is still by her side after everything. Minor spoiler, but this is not how it turns out in the books. You really can't fathom just how badly the show messes up the story until you've read the books. I recommend anyone watching these reacts to read them after we finish Season 8.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 07:01:26 +0000 UTCNope, Joffrey and Ramsay.
chicks dig me
2021-09-02 06:37:09 +0000 UTCI'm grateful for the ending of GoT, it's allowed me to come to peaceful terms with the ending of LOST.
chicks dig me
2021-09-02 06:29:48 +0000 UTCThere are a couple of guys in this comment section who are adamant that HBO did not want to make more seasons because the show got too expensive. Those guys are wrong. HBO trusted in D&D's vision, which is why they allowed it to end, and because there was a promise of an entire franchise of spin-offs to come after the main series ended. What HBO did not expect is D&D's ending of the show exploding in their faces. It ended so badly, now no one cares about any of the spin-offs.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 06:28:57 +0000 UTCSame thing could be said about Littlefinger. Why the hell was he still at Winterfell? To be at the mercy of someone who very likely hates him for delivering her to the Boltons?
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 06:23:00 +0000 UTCA time skip after this season would have helped. Come back to make the final season (or 3 seasons) after a 5 year hiatus, and show the world of Westeros in a state of decay after the White Walkers have reeked havoc for 5 years. It's now the Walking Dead, but with magic. Most of the characters are dead, and our characters are now desperate to find the key to destroying the White Walkers for good.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 06:21:18 +0000 UTCI love Harry Potter, and that series is a textbook example of great character work, but it is also full of plotholes and nonsensical world building. Martin's books are just better written. The reason why it's taking so long is because of the way they are structured, with multiple POV, meaning that Martin is essentially writing 20 books at the same time. Does that excuse 10 years with no sequel? No, probably not. But it does explain why it takes longer to write than Harry Potter.
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 06:16:47 +0000 UTCBook Euron is like an Lovecraftian nightmare, while show Euron is just "Hur Dur let's have sex".
WackySwacky
2021-09-02 06:10:23 +0000 UTCWow, did you just think that up yourself?
The Dog Walker
2021-09-02 05:57:08 +0000 UTCyou should watch this video on the film composer for GOT https://youtu.be/rSMO4pHe3HE
Anna D
2021-09-02 05:52:25 +0000 UTCThe way I get through these last seasons is by viewing them in terms of a video game. The introduction of the fast travel system threw me at first. But seeing as how Jon had already been north of the Wall, he could get his entire party to fast travel. Littlefinger's attempt at using it and literally being told, "YOU CANNOT FAST TRAVEL WHILE ENEMIES ARE NEAR", had me laughing.
Ruben Daniel
2021-09-02 05:44:16 +0000 UTCHBO didn't want to bail, the showrunners did. HBO wanted 30 episodes to end it (taking the show up to season 9). Dan and Dave said "We don't need 30, we can do it in 13." Thus the die was cast.
Caomhan84
2021-09-02 03:56:07 +0000 UTCThe fact that the time jumps have increasingly been unbearable and kinda plot hole-ish in a way starting from Season 5.... it kinda sucks that this is still a main complaint that she has 7 seasons in.... Then again the entire fandom also pointed this out as the seasons rolled out every year and the 2 yrs in between S7 and S8 whereas nat is experiencing the series in a matter of weeks
Jerick E
2021-09-02 03:41:31 +0000 UTCShe's Jon's Auntie.
Hal Hawkins
2021-09-02 03:40:36 +0000 UTCShe's already noticing the glaring issues. It's just going to get worse next season. She's going to get so frustrated. Whenever I read someone in the media flippantly say that fans that had a problem with season 8 were just "toxic" or had "fan entitlement that what they wanted didn't happen", I think back to the NUMEROUS lists that popped up on Reddit and other forums that went episode by episode listing things things that didn't make sense within the show's own established logic. Or plot holes with citations to past seasons. It wasn't all just aimless, "entitled" fan ranting. People actually had real problems with what happened that just didn't make sense narratively. It wasn't just "We wanted this to happen," it was "If THIS had happened, it would've made more sense." Also, it's hilarious to go back to some of those old threads (or even look at old comments on Youtube videos as the show was airing) and see people mention speculations/ideas that are miles better than what actually unfolded onscreen. Hilarious and maddening at the same time.
Caomhan84
2021-09-02 02:50:33 +0000 UTCThere are no establishing scenes or exposition that demonstrates the passage of time and the "teleporting" was a ubiquitous criticism when the shows were released years ago. The show and cast were getting too expensive and HBO wanted to pull the plug (see Dead Wood) or the showrunners wanted to bail, either way they rushed through the plot points and the show suffered. That isn't even remotely debatable.
Crwn
2021-09-02 02:48:46 +0000 UTCNat! Now that u've reached this point in the series u should really watch the R+L=J video on youtube before the beginning of the next season and show us ur reaction on it. Hell u might as well watch the teaser for season 8 before the first episode to get even more hyped. The R+L=J video wont spoil anything u haven't seen in the show up to this point, it will just show the incredible puzzle of events that the series has given the viewers all along without us even knowing what they meant. By watching it u will also notice that alot of urs and ur boyfriends critic of the show so far are off the target. The storywriting is on another level and thats the reason Got is the most watched show in the world. Some people didn't like the way the show ended, some did. It doesn't matter what they or what ur boyfriend thinks. What matters to us is ur reaction on it unfiltered. Like when u instictively started crying during Neds beheading, back when u didn't pick the productiondetails apart as in "why dont we ever get to see anyone in any show or film ever go on the toilet three times a day? That doesn't make sense". I mean really.. Also u tend to talk alot during the most important scenes and conversations, I mean right in middle of em happening. I know u are reacting, but u don't have to complain about stuff that are actually 100% legit as they are still talking. And every time u put ur eyes on the second screen to ur right just to watch what ur boyfriend is telling u about the show live in chat is ruining the experience for both you and us. We don't care about his opinions at all, we want to see you and only you. And please dont prewatch the episodes. I know u make money out of this and u want it to be good but it was better back in season 1 when u didn't. Some of the viewers are not as sharp but alot of us are. Stay golden.
Marcus
2021-09-02 02:39:06 +0000 UTCThe show did an increasingly worse job of showing the passage of time as the seasons wore on. Understanding that time is indeed passing doesn't make the convenient cuts any less jarring.
RE
2021-09-02 02:33:27 +0000 UTCThey could do it in 20,30,40 episodes. Not 13.
Keef D
2021-09-02 02:27:23 +0000 UTCThe biggest thing I dont think Nat gets is that when something jumps from one thing to another, it means months or years have gone by. Like cmon. How can you not see that they got there that fast because it's a time skip!? Idk.
Topher Cast
2021-09-02 02:22:07 +0000 UTCThe last season just gets worse the more I think about it ...
Adrian
2021-09-02 01:32:57 +0000 UTCCan't wait for all the facepalming in the last season. Not necessarily from Natalie, but from me. Again.
Adrian
2021-09-02 01:32:27 +0000 UTCCan't disagree with any of this. I feel like it's one of those situations where when you try to please everyone... you please no one. You're right they should have asked for more help in writing more episodes which HBO was open to.... but they wanted to make themselves happy by being in full control of ending. That short changed the narrative. Alternatively, they could have taken a couple year break to recharge their batteries... which would have originally upset fanbase, but ultimately paid off. Unfortunately it went down like it did. And so we got an ending where every episode is either a red wedding or purple wedding level event like one sledgehammer after the other... without any natural progression up or down. Just boom boom boom.
Kent Linville
2021-09-02 01:20:29 +0000 UTCThe media has always blamed "toxic fandom" for the reaction to the ending and the last 2 seasons. But I will always maintain that while you certainly can't please everyone, the MAJORITY of the backlash would've not happened had they presented the exact ending as it happened...over the original 30 episodes as HBO wanted and not 13 as what transpired. With more time for the story to breathe and things to unfold, people would've accepted it better. It was the way it was executed that pissed the majority of people off....NOT what happened.
Caomhan84
2021-09-02 01:07:18 +0000 UTCI've always had a measured view of what they did. I was on Reddit a lot during the latter half of the show and it's crazy how much that Dan and Dave got criticized for the last two seasons (because it suddenly became "they've always been horrible!"). Horrible showrunners run shows into the ground. Horrible showrunners do NOT grow a show into the most popular show on the planet, with the biggest ratings and popularity globally of any show since the 1980's. They weren't horrible showrunners. But they did massively let the show -- and the audience -- down for how they handled the ending. And for what? All their post-GOT projects, which they were so eager to get to, evaporated. Their Netflix contract went nowhere. Their Star Wars project never happened. I understand that GOT was a difficult project and ending it was a hard task, but they dropped the ball narratively. Production-wise it remained superlative....but creatively they let it implode because they were burned out. In addition to more time for season 8...they should've just asked for more help.
Caomhan84
2021-09-02 01:01:16 +0000 UTCYou’re not alone they rushed it for no reason
Alex B
2021-09-02 00:37:59 +0000 UTCi enjoyed your ending comments. I don't think seasons 7 and 8 are nearly as bad as most people do, but you're definitely right about it being too fast paced. Their greatest sin was not doing two full 10 episodes seasons at the end. still makes no sense that they didnt.
Tom Fehr
2021-09-02 00:22:13 +0000 UTCI'm just here for the Koda content really!
Al Baughman
2021-09-02 00:15:38 +0000 UTCI actually agree with Cersi on how she thinks about the battle. If she sent her men yes they could maybe help defeat the white walkers, but she would lose a ton of men. If she leaves the north and Dany to fight then only they lose men and she doesn't. Plus their armies will be so exhausted from fighting that they might not be full force when fighting her. Yeah she is gambling that the white walkers don't kill everyone, but I think her plan is best for her and her army.
Corey
2021-09-02 00:14:05 +0000 UTCThis^
Dante
2021-09-01 23:56:44 +0000 UTCYeah, the show has for sure gone downhill, writing-wise. It helps that this show is such a big, expensive spectacle. It's very watchable and we get to see all these characters coming together finally. It definitely deserved better, but what could they do? George R.R. Martin still hasn't finished the next book. And the showrunners were ready to move on so it kinda gets the short shrift.
Joe Blankenship
2021-09-01 23:17:37 +0000 UTCI know as I get it for GOT all the time cause I'm a D&D fanboy apparently.
Paul G
2021-09-01 23:07:36 +0000 UTC@Brian Jones Precisely, I've heard they are back to their scrimping ways on House of the Dragon that's why the cast is small. Of course it was all predictable from day 1, Martin went back to books as his tv stuff wasn't getting made as limitations on ep length and budget meant he couldn't have the characters and battles he wanted and when the tv show came that very thing happened.
Paul G
2021-09-01 23:05:37 +0000 UTC@RE comment of the day sir.
Paul G
2021-09-01 23:00:18 +0000 UTCOpinions don't bother me. Arrogance, bad manners and unfriendlyness do. But I appreciate the advise Paul. Stay golden.
Valar Dohaeris
2021-09-01 22:43:49 +0000 UTCSee, that's what people don't get! Just because someone criticizes something, it doesn't mean they don't like it, it just means that there were some problems with it, you know, just like everything in life! I love this show, and I will always love this show, but after the showrunners ran out of source material, it wasn't the same. Still enjoyable, but, there was just something missing. Either way, they created/adapted something amazing with this series! And I agree with you on the music, Nat
Ilsuk Yang
2021-09-01 22:19:54 +0000 UTCSomehow, the explanation ended up being worse than the mystery. You are entirely too old to have such childish views.
RE
2021-09-01 22:14:46 +0000 UTCI was furious when I originally watched last couple of seasons- mainly because of what happened and how it happened. However, given time, I've mellowed and come to accept what happened as being ok and in many cases spot on. However, I still have a problem with how many of the things happened. You nailed it. they just rushed the pacing. Just huge set piece after huge set piece without any reflection or time to breathe.
Kent Linville
2021-09-01 21:56:57 +0000 UTCYeah, I pretty much agree with you lock step in regards to this season compared to earlier. Bottom line is they wanted to finish and go have a life- and things that really needed to breathe got rushed instead. People are so ready to crucify Dan and Dave.... but it's just a testament to how good those guys were in the early going- that people were that invested.
Kent Linville
2021-09-01 21:53:51 +0000 UTCWell, that--And the fact that once a fangirl gets hooked on reacting to EVERY EPISODE of a TV series (and they will, they're fangirls)...that's all it's about anymore. No more Tolkien, no more Harry Potter, no more Big 80's Essential classics, just the quick bump from one 00's-10's binge-streaming addiction to the next. Usually Avatar, followed by Legend of Korra, and, of course, the MCU will always be followed with every single crack-binge Disney+ Marvel series. No one wants to be sexist in explaining movie-fan culture, but those waiting for the cool movie reactions we got at the beginning of the reactor's channel end up just sighing, shaking their head, and realizing that we lost another victim to the reality of What Fangirls Watch and Why. 😔
Eric Janssen
2021-09-01 21:52:39 +0000 UTCYour summary is sober and accurate.
Myles Away
2021-09-01 21:41:23 +0000 UTCI've always found it interesting that Cersei was way more scared of the wight than she was of Drogon. She barely even flinched when Drogon appeared, but she looked like she was about to have a heart attach with the wight! Anyways, just a thought
Ilsuk Yang
2021-09-01 21:24:43 +0000 UTCWhy do baddies never shoot the lead in any film/tv show just the day players.
Paul Gibbons
2021-09-01 21:17:50 +0000 UTCMartin hasn't written these arcs or we would have seen them by now.
Paul G
2021-09-01 21:15:56 +0000 UTCYou know I made the same JK Rowling analogy a few eps ago, she didn't start side projects till she'd finished Harry cause she had a plan unlike the real villain here, no plan and he doesn't have a true story just way points.
Paul Gibbons
2021-09-01 21:14:27 +0000 UTCIt's so sad that the showrunners lost interest in the story and just wanted to be done with it. The rushing to the end is so crazy in the last 2 seasons it almost seems like a different show. I wish they had just stepped down and given the show to someone else to finish.
Scott Lindsey
2021-09-01 21:11:22 +0000 UTCHBO wanted more seasons at the lower cost, sure, but by the end they were sweating bullets due to the last season running $90+ million dollars. They were hemorrhaging over $15 million per episode at that point. And they are already expressing concerns about the new series as well, and hoping they can keep it to the Season 3 costs of GoT. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do the simple math on this. Either you get less huge and epic episodes, with your dragons and your battle of the bastards and whatnot, or you get a bulk of episodes with less action. But the end of the series required what it did..... Now, if you're under the impression that D&D were going against the will of HBO, which is simply insane, then why didn't HBO simply fire them? You do realize HBO is the ultimate boss here, right? They own the IP, they sign the paychecks, and D&D work for them...... So if HBO had truly wanted the series to run longer, they could have simply hired new showrunners.....smh
Brian Jones
2021-09-01 21:09:25 +0000 UTCYou heavily involved yesterday you have to take it with a pinch of salt, opinions are like buttholes we all have one.
Paul Gibbons
2021-09-01 21:09:14 +0000 UTC@Brian Jones haven't we been saying this for weeks! @Navjot Singh Of course HBO wanted more seasons they'd have got 20 if they could stretch it but the budget was an issue from day 1 S1 and was no longer sufficient for cgi dragons and zombies and huge returning casts. The latter seasons were shorter for that reason you honestly don't think they had a blank cheque do you? It was the worlds most watched show, it was also the worlds most pirated tv show and still was even last year.
Paul G
2021-09-01 21:05:24 +0000 UTCThe only thing that he could be on about is not that it's a channel killer it's that many people are here just for it and when the reactions are done they cancel there membership.
Paul G
2021-09-01 20:53:07 +0000 UTCI agree that I can accept how some characters end up where they do, but the paths to get them there were sacrificed in the name of 'lets get this shit done.' Maybe it was laid out in the outline Martin provided D&D, but we'll probably never know. All I know is that you had some amazing, thoroughly detailed character arcs - in some cases, redemption arcs - that simply slam into a brick wall without the storytelling to get them there.
Thomas Yanez
2021-09-01 20:21:52 +0000 UTCwe got a regular internet Nostradamus over here...
Garlicjr Made
2021-09-01 20:19:24 +0000 UTCGreat reaction as usual and I think your critique of the season was spot on, it did feel like the show was moving arbitrarily fast. But still lots of cool moments.
Garlicjr Made
2021-09-01 20:15:33 +0000 UTCYeah I think the biggest problem was them shortening the final 2 seasons. If they stay the usual 10 episodes I think alot of the problems people had are fixed or not as bad
Lobos625
2021-09-01 20:13:32 +0000 UTCReactors gonna react.
Thomas Yanez
2021-09-01 20:13:13 +0000 UTCWell ladies and gents, and of course Nat, I was surprised to re-enjoy a series I had long since abandoned after the last season. I could have never imagined rewatching this show under any circumstance. And yet, I made it through 7 seasons because Nat's comments and reactions are so interesting and entertaining. But the next and final season are what I get off this ride. Thank you Nat!~ I hope you like it better than I do. And now my Watch has ended.
Carlos Astudillo
2021-09-01 20:13:06 +0000 UTCalso a few seasons ago Nat was like why the hell is Stannis staying at Castle Black for all these episodes...Now she's like why the hell are people moving around so much...hahaha
Guy-on-Couch
2021-09-01 20:08:15 +0000 UTCA lot of her complaints can be fixed if someone explained things to her....I know I have explained things to friends and vice versa and it helps you look at it a different way....Also nitpicking things like why didn't the Night King kill Drogon is something you can do to almost every movie and show...Movies can be over in 10 minutes if the hero does one thing differently but then there is no movie...you have to leave something up to the imagination so to speak...
Guy-on-Couch
2021-09-01 20:07:08 +0000 UTCAs much as we all blame D&D for the botched ending of this show (which I do), I am not sure if the main cast was willing to go a couple more seasons. Poor Kit was a wreck at the end but maybe slowing the story down would have helped. Sucks when a series you love ends on a bad note. GOT and The 100 being back to back disappointments was terrible.
Christina
2021-09-01 19:58:56 +0000 UTCI know that's how the story was supposed to end. But they rushed through it, so everything felt forced. This plot required more episodes to flesh out the story and come to a conclusion. https://ew.com/article/2015/03/11/game-thrones-end/ Here is an article from 2015 where HBO said it wanted more seasons. HBO never gave them grief over money or more seasons. They just got tired of doing it without books to refer to. R R martin only told them the gist. Rest was up to them to work on it. And they railroaded through it. I haven't come across one article saying HBO had issues with the budget or wanted shorter seasons. It was the world's most-watched TV show.
Navjot Singh
2021-09-01 19:34:36 +0000 UTCAgain, I don't know why these rumors persist unless it's just disgruntled fans dying to hang some supposed blame around the necks of D&D..... The ending is what the author intended..... HBO was whining and crying about the budget during the last three seasons, and were wanting it finished as well..... Saying anything to the contrary is just revisionist history. And yes, everyone involved with the series has since participated in revisionist history SINCE the community was divided regarding the ending. Interesting how they were all happy about it beforehand though, right? But as I said, Martin had discussed the ending with D&D prior to them ever going off book, and there is more than enough evidence in the trades to show HBO was crying about the budget, so if for some reason anyone is disgruntled about the way the show turned out (personally I thought it was fine but a bit rushed) then you have all three parties to blame regarding the story and execution. And no, D&D hadn't signed on to any other projects until season 8 was already in production. The Star Wars deal wasn't even inked until 2018. They had already chosen directors for Season 8 of GoT in 2017, and the decision to only do 8 seasons was made back in 2016.
Brian Jones
2021-09-01 19:29:26 +0000 UTCThe reason Ned lied about Jon's birth was to protect him... from Robert. He worried that the other royal children were killed under his orders (or at least, with his consent) via Tywin Lannister's orders (to the Mountain and Amory Loche). Its the only lie he ever told, as far as we know - all to protect his sister's child.
Laura Thornley
2021-09-01 19:25:40 +0000 UTCWatching Natalie's comments after the episode about the ongoing bifurcation in opinion about these last seasons, I would say that I've always thought much of the anger is based on the series being as good as she says. When most of a series is great, moments of just good tend to look worse. What began to bother me more in these last seasons were the character arcs that needed more fleshing out, some missed opportunities in the storytelling, especially concerning Bran, and the run of really silly decisions that Jon is making. His quote about the whole world telling lies is one of my favorites of the series and he did keep his word, but, as I pointed out last week, that word should never have been given. I'll reserve most of my comments on how they wrote Bran for the next season but, and I don't claim any expertise in scriptwriting, I will say that I already would have expanded his warging abilities beyond ravens. My biggest problem remains the reduction in the season's length. These actors are good, but their characters arcs just didn't have time to be fleshed out properly. I can accept how these stories played out, but the characters' decisions and reactions would have felt smoother and made more sense if they'd had the extra time to develop the choices in a rational manner. Looking forward to the final season.
Baron Imhoof
2021-09-01 19:24:32 +0000 UTC@Eric Janssen Honest question...... What in the utter f*ck are you talking about?
Brian Jones
2021-09-01 19:24:08 +0000 UTCDrogon the Winged Shadow is too sly, slick and wicked when it comes to dodging projectiles. The Night King never stood a chance.
MakaPeji
2021-09-01 19:20:11 +0000 UTCI agree that the mission north of the wall was kind of a plot hole and pretty annoying that the entire goal of capturing one of the zombies to bring as proof to Cersei was entirely useless, unless you consider them convincing Jamie to go north a "success". But I suppose they needed to come up with a way to get a dragon north of the wall so the night king could use it to punch a hole in the wall. I think the reason the night king killed Vasyreon first was because it was the one destroying his army and Drogon was just picking up people off the ground. Not only are these last two seasons rushed but they also have no source material so we have no idea how accurate they are to the "true" story, and we STILL don't have the sixth book in the Song of Ice and Fire series also George Martin said he was planning for 7. Sadly it seems we may never know what the story would have been if Martin had worked a bit faster and finished his books before the show or if the show wasn't made until after the last two books but it's been like a decade since the 5th book came out and Martin seems more focused on his prequels than finishing his original story. Imagine if it took J.K Rowling to write the half blood prince and the deathly hallows but Warner Brothers had just gone ahead and made the final three movies before she finished. Pretty unsatisfying.
john collins
2021-09-01 19:11:49 +0000 UTCI was curious, so I spent some time googling around and then searching in YouTube itself and I can't find these "reactor fans" that are calling GoT "the Channel-Killer". Genuinely curious : is this actually a thing, or just something curmudgeonly fellas like yourself grumble to each other? I did also search around Reddit, normally a bastion for like-minded grumpy folk, but came up empty there, too.
Thomas Yanez
2021-09-01 19:11:20 +0000 UTCEvery party has a pooper...
Thomas Yanez
2021-09-01 18:55:04 +0000 UTCWell, it's not fire, it's dragon fire. I like to think it is special. Some think it was involved in the forging of Valyrian stieel, which is why the secret to making it was lost. Seems reasonable enough. I'm surprised Martin never gave us more specifics about what was special about either dragonglass or Valyrian steel.
Thomas Yanez
2021-09-01 18:53:57 +0000 UTCWhy would either choice "kill the channel"? Some people are really weird, man.
RE
2021-09-01 18:51:29 +0000 UTCStop trying to influence the person who is supposed to be giving genuine unbiased reactions. If you don't want to rewatch S8, feel free not to. Fuck's sake.
RE
2021-09-01 18:49:59 +0000 UTCThe beginning of the end of a great series. And a complete slump in quality.
Christopher French
2021-09-01 18:32:56 +0000 UTCAnd from now on its when a series with a great plot, great characters, great acting, great effects, great soundtrack... goes through the drain due to lazy writers rushing it and doing lazy writing. What a shame. What. A. Shame
Bou _
2021-09-01 18:31:55 +0000 UTCI have yet to hear or see a better explanation of the downsides of these last two seasons and you can see their rush to get it over.
Baron Imhoof
2021-09-01 18:26:32 +0000 UTCYup, I remember the reports when they were first trying to stop at seven but HBO wasn't haven't it.
Alex De Santiago
2021-09-01 17:52:25 +0000 UTCI had a really bad day yesterday, comments wise, so today I'm just going to say that I'm still loving your reactions and, in this particular instance, my feeling about the show practically concur 1 to 1 with yours. Liking it, but wondering why they decided to change pace and rush everything. Can't wait for the final season... Stay golden.
Valar Dohaeris
2021-09-01 17:50:55 +0000 UTCYeah, show Euron is a really weird mash of book Euron and Victarian with all the cool aspects of both cut out. No eyepatch with a creepy eye underneath, no burned arm, no crew of mutes, no weird magic...
Laura Thornley
2021-09-01 17:47:52 +0000 UTCWhy would Viserion be considered a threat? At this point in the show, it has been established that White Walkers can be killed with Dragonglass (that's what Sam did) and Valyrian Steel (that's what Jon did). Fire has only been working on Wights so far, so while the dragons pose a threat to the army of the dead, they shouldn't be a real threat to the walkers. So Drogon would've been the juicier target, as that would've prevented the pesky humans' escape. Or am I missing something here?
ThisOneHasNoName
2021-09-01 17:44:57 +0000 UTCEnjoy your week off can't wait to see what the schedule will be like when you come back.
Frank Rosales
2021-09-01 17:44:43 +0000 UTCHBO wanted to extend the seasons out longer but D&D said no, we can finish it up with the number of eps they had. By this time, D&D had gotten their agreement with Disney to develop their own Star Wars trilogy and I believe they wanted to finish this up as quickly as possible so that they could get started on that. Unfortunately, after they botched this series up as bad as they did in the end (According to the fans) Disney apparently got scared because there is a lot of crossover between GOT fans and SW fans so they pulled the new trilogy away from D&D. (as read from other sources) So, IMO they rushed all for nothing.
James Young
2021-09-01 17:42:12 +0000 UTCDrogon was looking in the opposite direction, on not sturdy ground carrying several hundred pounds of extra weight. Viserion was in the air and heading toward the night king, he was the more immediate threat. Take him out first and almost got Drogon too.
Chris H
2021-09-01 17:37:34 +0000 UTCI loved the "How to Kill a Zombie 101". Daenerys certainly knows how to be fashionably late. Littlefinger's is the first death on this show where I think we've seen you smiling Nat 😄 Loved your fair and just summation at the end, and I hope we'll get to hear Tyler's thoughts on the season too. Thanks for your great reaction today Nat and Koda, and look forward to starting the next season 💛
Darryl Low
2021-09-01 17:32:38 +0000 UTCEuron is completely trash, don’t be afraid to say it. Just another D&D flaw. Nothing like his book counterpart. And just FYI Martin himself said for it to be properly flushed out alongside his books, GoT would need to be like 10 seasons
Alex De Santiago
2021-09-01 17:32:28 +0000 UTCDaenerys is Jon's aunt - since Rhaegar is the older brother of Viserys and Daenerys. And yes. The show creators were kind of god bored and wanted to finish the show quickly. HBO wanted them to take as many seasons and episodes as they want, but they were done with it. Moreover, they had signed up deals for future projects, they lost their interest plus with lack of source material, they tried to rush the last two seasons way too much. This is what I guess spoiled the show for us.
Navjot Singh
2021-09-01 17:30:55 +0000 UTCHonestly should leave Season 8 and have this season ending in your mind without watching S8.
Jon bell
2021-09-01 17:24:50 +0000 UTCRamin Djawadi really did carry the series on his back with the music!!!! IT'S ALWAYS SO GOOD.
soggytacos
2021-09-01 17:24:44 +0000 UTCNow, let's see if it's really true that Game of Thrones is "the Channel-Killer", as reactor fans call it...Will Natalie go back to movies, or will we get "What's my NEXT 90's-10's binge-cult series?"
Eric Janssen
2021-09-01 17:16:21 +0000 UTCBest PowerPoint ever.
Baron Imhoof
2021-09-01 17:06:39 +0000 UTCHappy westeros Wednesday Nat hope you're having a great time on your break. finale time and its a cracker we say goodbye to someone and I'm so buzzed to see how you react to it and the final few minutes 😉 got snack chocolate biscuits to be precise and a beer so I'm set, let's do this 💛
Ian
2021-09-01 16:43:11 +0000 UTC#stannisKnows
Crash Raynor
2021-09-01 16:37:35 +0000 UTC*farther on to
Crash Raynor
2021-09-01 16:37:23 +0000 UTC*further into
Crash Raynor
2021-09-01 16:37:07 +0000 UTCThe $5 tier allows access to the full reactions. Nat is now up to the Season 7 finale, which is this video released today. Youtube is still a fair bit behind.
Darryl Low
2021-09-01 16:28:37 +0000 UTCDefinitely a $1 patron.
Andrew Harrison
2021-09-01 16:27:52 +0000 UTCYes she's way ahead of youtube but unless you're on the $1 Patreon level you should be able to see it all that one is only for polls and messages their is no other levels.
Paul Gibbons
2021-09-01 16:23:25 +0000 UTCR+L=J reaction! You really should react to it before doing Season 8! It compiles all the hints!
Lemuel Daher
2021-09-01 16:20:55 +0000 UTCAre higher-level patrons than me through the rest of S6 and S7? I'm on YouTube schedule, and not sure why I got the email for this.
Andrew Harrison
2021-09-01 16:18:30 +0000 UTCYeah I agree watching it 2 years after season 7 felt like it made the season even worse
Dan Tydeman
2021-09-01 16:10:15 +0000 UTCI would start watching season 8 ASAP if you have not already. Watching 7 and 8 back to back fixes some of the pacing issues I had, treating it like it’s one season.
JediLounger
2021-09-01 16:06:00 +0000 UTCKODA!
Tadpoleaxe
2021-09-01 16:02:22 +0000 UTC
