nataliegold - FIRST TIME WATCHING: GOT S8E4!!

These later season reactions have been hard work. Sometimes less is more, and streams of consciousness best left until post-episode. 2c.

AdrianF

2024-04-15 14:09:30 +0000 UTC

I feel like there were a lot of losses in the battle against the dead. just because main characters didn't die, we still lost so many people. the entire dothraki horde. many of the unsullied. many of the northmen. that's a ton of people that gave their lives against the dead. that gives plenty of weight to the battle imo.

uberelder

2023-11-12 02:10:28 +0000 UTC

they did it the wrong way around. it would have been far more compelling to have the humans fight it out, have the remaining forces fight it out, then fade to black right after Arya flew from the shadows and just end it there.

Michael Dean Hannah

2021-10-02 02:07:02 +0000 UTC

Totally agree, Man

AC5555

2021-09-28 06:48:46 +0000 UTC

1:20:52: I don't see it as emotional. He's desperate for a peaceful surrender.

AC5555

2021-09-28 06:42:37 +0000 UTC

1:19:20, 1:25:02: I get what you are saying Natalie, but rules of war dictate no hostility under flag of truce. You wouldn't expect Cersei to follow them since she also killed Missandei. But still. I consider that her threat and she delivered it. Everything else including killing Dany, Drogon doesn't apply.

AC5555

2021-09-28 06:41:25 +0000 UTC

Natalie has such a hard time understanding how hard it is for people to overcome their passions or other PTSD inducing situations. Jaime is the same as Theon. He loves his family no matter what even if they're bad. He loves Tyrion and didn't like her mistreating him when they were kids. Yet he still loved her. He can't abandon her.. That's complex.

AC5555

2021-09-28 06:38:59 +0000 UTC

But if cersei killed danny and her army right then and there there are minimal consequences.. the people of westeros are already backing cersei. I doubt the North and Dorne would go to war against KL for Danny's sake seeing Sansa's not a fan of her and Dorne jas nothing to gain, only to lose. Yara and her fleet can't compete as well.

Shintaro

2021-09-27 22:43:31 +0000 UTC

I don't think you understand that that's how things were usually done before a huge fight, the heads of the 2 sides coming together to possibly settle things more civilly. The fact that Cersei had Missandei killed was only to enrage Dany and force her into making mistakes and would have ended all efforts of diplomacy.

Bryce Jacobson

2021-09-27 12:00:08 +0000 UTC

Yeah I'm not saying there aren't some things about this season that don't make sense. And it's definitely rushed. But it's hard to take her critiques seriously when half of her complaints are actually easily logically explained. Did she think they kept Drogon that far back for no reason?? I mean I guess you could argue that he's still too close, but maybe mention that once and move on.

Derik Knutson

2021-09-27 05:24:17 +0000 UTC

Omg you just gave me such a good story change and moment idea..... what if the second dragon wasen`t killed and then when she screamed dracarys that dragon would have attacked and died there instead..... omg that would have been 10 times better and more logic

Brandon Jensen - May the force be with you

2021-09-25 22:30:48 +0000 UTC

I get that this season is very rushed (i agree), and there are some strange plot holes (there have been in most seasons, actually). Don't get me wrong, I HATED how rushed this season was. But It really kills the desire to watch these when you are spending the entire episode saying stuff "doesn't make sense" (when it usually has a good reason behind it), and trying to pick apart every shot for the flaws, while talking over most of the dialogue. Tyrion is emotional because he went through years of trauma and is terrified, is he supposed to fit into a cliche "smart guy" box in every interaction? Jamie had an abusive childhood, and only knows his sister for comfort, going back to her again and again regardless of what she does is exactly how this plays out in real life. Raegon died quickly because an ambush was the only way for them to get one of the dragons, and the audience needs to experience the shock that Dani is feeling to understand why she is making poor decisions moving forward. Things have very good reasons, even if it's very rushed. It really comes across like you just decided "this season is 100% bad" before watching it and are just trying to build a case for that rather than just watching the show. I'm really not trying to be an ass, you've genuinely been easily my favorite reaction channel for well over a year, but it doesn't seem like you're watching this stuff to understand and enjoy it anymore. I'm really struggling to get through these now... it just really kills the mood.

Jason

2021-09-24 02:02:28 +0000 UTC

If memory serves the main reason these seasons were so much shorter were the production costs. Main actors could now demand larger salaries than the initial seasons and some of the episodes (like the last one specifically) had budgets that rivaled entire blockbuster movies. So they had to jam as much as they could into fewer episodes to make it work.

Travis

2021-09-24 01:50:48 +0000 UTC

"Daenerys sort of forgot about the Iron Fleet"

Kevin Howlett

2021-09-24 00:29:50 +0000 UTC

With apologies for the length: First, thanks to Natalie. I followed a lot of reactors during the last two seasons of this show, and she is one of the most enjoyable and inciteful companions for another ride through this series, and the only one I pay to watch. A lot of the story I could have accepted if the last two had been full seasons that allowed for the character arcs to develop. These actors were robbed of a chance to develop it enough for it to make sense. They did as good as they could, given the material that they were given, but after spending eight seasons leading her to the throne, Dany's madness needed more time to flesh out than two episodes. Maybe the silliest scene I have ever watched was that almost incomprehensibly stupid charge by the Dothraki at the Battle of Winterfell into the army of the dead. But what I felt as truly bad writing were Jon and Bran's arc. Jon's descent into stupidity that began basically with Season 6 annoyed the living hell out of me, and Bran's uselessness and making him the monarch was even worse. I don't like it when people say they could have written it better, but if ever it was an apt criticism, it's with Bran. The writing of him from the time he was back South of the wall was the biggest waste of potential in a character I've ever seen. I mean, give me something besides Bran the Unbothered and Bran the Unconcerned, especially if you plan on giving him the throne. All in all, these last seasons were rushed and a letdown. Even so, taken as a whole, I still consider GoT to be one of the best series ever put on television. Its Achilles heel was the showrunners who wanted to cut things short so they could go to greener pastures which, if I've read correctly, weren't as green as they'd hoped. It had an ensemble cast that delivered excellent acting on a regular basis, and the production values were unmatched. For me, as a huge Tolkien fan, the biggest takeaway from this series and the reaction to it is that a market exists for doing the Silmarillion as a multi-season story on a platform like HBO. Just an opinion. Again, apologies for the length.

Baron Imhoof

2021-09-23 17:39:37 +0000 UTC

A lot of this show doesn't make sense tactically, the Battle of the Bastards was Jon Snow being a compete moron, nothing of what he did in that episode made any sense. The film making was astounding, but Jon starting with a decent strategy and then devolving in a minute into Custer, and having to be saved, ironically, by "the cavalry" pissed me off. From that point on I knew in order to enjoy this show I was going to have to suspend disbelief and just see what they do with it. Nonplussed is the word to describe my reaction to the ending, but I try to enjoy what parts I do enjoy.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

2021-09-23 05:12:59 +0000 UTC

I hope you're not speaking from personal experience. If so, I'm sorry.

Ehrys V.

2021-09-23 01:43:43 +0000 UTC

Good to know that men can be recognized as victims of domestic abuse in a fantasy world, at least.

Ellis Hugh

2021-09-23 01:30:23 +0000 UTC

Building up for some time, your comment literally was not critical. It was insulting. 'This woman' she has a name bro. 'trying to sound smart' these are insults and jabs not commentary and not being critical. Which is why most all replies to your comment have been negative. You can be critical without insulting someone. It's easy if you try a little

Sleeping Awake

2021-09-22 22:59:06 +0000 UTC

YOOO bro actually shut the fuck up if you really don't know the slightest thing about me and why i'm here in the first place! I ain't no fuckin troll, certain things just hit a nerve with me, especially when they keep happening over and over! Lemme talk my shit bro it's not personal It's been building up for a long time and i have the right to speak my mind fym lmaoo

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-22 21:17:49 +0000 UTC

Jaime's attitude makes more sense when you see him as a victim of domestic abuse.

Ehrys V.

2021-09-22 21:10:17 +0000 UTC

Imagine living such a sad and sorry existence that you'd be willing to pay to join a Patreon to try and harass and be a dick. You're not commentating or offering anything good to the conversation, you're just being an asshole. Leave.

Sleeping Awake

2021-09-22 19:37:47 +0000 UTC

Weird and definitely none of your business.

David

2021-09-22 17:57:29 +0000 UTC

Natalie, the reason for all this is in the absence of a well laid out story line D&D had to shock our sensibilities hoping we wouldn't notice.

chicks dig me

2021-09-22 17:44:14 +0000 UTC

Dany and co went on ship and dragon, those are faster than horses I think.

Obie Brown

2021-09-22 16:23:13 +0000 UTC

Ron, i urge you to find and watch a youtube video called "We Need to Talk About Game of Thrones I Guess".

Opti_Frog

2021-09-22 15:40:53 +0000 UTC

Not sure what you are getting at. We are arguing the same thing. What is wrong with S7 and S8 is they were too short, they needed to be 10 episodes each. And yes, that may be (and probably is) D&D's doing, they wanted to be done. What they should have done (if they were really that tired of the whole thing) was given over producing to someone else.

Ron Hiler

2021-09-22 14:29:58 +0000 UTC

No offense but your out of your mind man, People were mad at D and DeLong before season 8, Fun fact Hbo wanted ten seasons, but D an D made the decision No we don't want to do this anymore, , Cutting everything g down and shitting on the show in the process, It gets so much hate becUse it was great and ended more tragically then some Shakespeare play, another fun fact the project they wanted to move on to was going to be a new star wars trilogy, But Because of how terrible GoT ended they got cut, It practically ruined thier careers,

Lomino

2021-09-22 12:59:02 +0000 UTC

Rip Ser Blueballs.

Petteri Ahlberg

2021-09-22 12:44:52 +0000 UTC

In all honesty, there's nothing really wrong with Seasons 7 and 8. Everything that happens is within character, and yeah, maybe there were some rather dumb decisions being made, but hey, everyone makes mistakes sometimes, right? My feeling is that all the hate that gets directed at these two seasons comes from the fact that they shortened them. The whole thing would have been just fine had they simply done the normal 10 episodes and had time to flesh out the story arcs. But it was so rushed that things came off as "out of the blue".

Ron Hiler

2021-09-22 12:17:05 +0000 UTC

Arya and the Hound left for King's Landing first, but somehow Dany and her whole army gets there before them? ....what?

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 11:48:41 +0000 UTC

You should be able to watch them from tier 2 up. They are usually at the start of part 1 of the following season, when Nat and Tyler have a discussion of the previous season's events. Nat did the season 7 recap herself at the start of 8 Ep.1. Hope this helps.

Darryl Low

2021-09-22 11:05:34 +0000 UTC

"A lot of that didn't really make sense" yeah that pretty much sums up this season.

Colton Scott

2021-09-22 09:29:22 +0000 UTC

OR Cersei could have just shot 50 ballistas at Dany and turned her into ground beef right then and there. Dany bafflingly just walks straight up to the gates of King's Landing and puts herself completely at the mercy of her mortal enemy. Don't think too much about it, the showrunners didn't either.

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 07:40:44 +0000 UTC

Shhhhhh, stop bringing up logical points, the showrunners didn't actually read the books.

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 07:38:00 +0000 UTC

Ned kept it a secret from everyone for his entire life. So Jon telling Arya and Sansa makes no sense. It has nothing to do with honor or doing what's right. It's just Jon being an idiot. Book Jon is actually pretty smart and not an honor bound moron, but the showrunners changed his whole character because nuance is too difficult to write.

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 07:34:50 +0000 UTC

The show doesn't make sense though. If you want proof, here are some YouTube videos that break down the flaws of the last season in very high detail (some of these have spoilers for Episodes 5-6, be warned): • Game of Thrones - How to Ruin a Great Show (Channel: The Cosmonaut Variety Hour) • GoT's Abandoned Plot Lines (Channel: Supercuts Delight) • A Critique of Game of Thrones Season 8 (Part 1) (Channel: moneymedia) • A Critique of Game of Thrones Season 8 (Part 2) (Channel: moneymedia) • Game of Thrones Season 8 is Awful (Channel: Penguinz0) • Game of Thrones - The Season That Ruined Everything (Channel: Elvis the Alien) • The Ruined Legacy of Game of Thrones (Channel: captainmidnight) • Game of Thrones Season 8 Pitch Meeting (Channel: Screen Rant) • GoT Season 8 But It's Devoid of Logic (Channel: Supercuts Delight) • Every error in Game of Thrones Season 8 (Channel: Culture Vulture Media) • Game of Thrones: S08E03: An Unbridled Rage (Channel: MauLer) • Game of Thrones' Disastrous Finale Breakdown - With Mauler, Jeremy, Anna, DasBoShitt and more (Channel: MooLer) • Game of Thrones Collapse Season 8 Supercut (Channel: Nerdrotic) • The Long Night | Game of Thrones Pisstake (Season 8 Episode 3) (Channel: Glidus) • EFAP #58 - The Game of Thrones Debate with Nerdrotic and YezenIRL (Channel: MooLer) Feel free to ignore all this though because I know you don't want to be proven wrong.

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 07:32:17 +0000 UTC

She's a faceless man, she could just take the face of Qyburn and poison Cersei's wine. Arya could do it easily.

WackySwacky

2021-09-22 07:25:22 +0000 UTC

Because it's not a documentary and any storyteller worth a fart understands pacing, and character arcs.

RE

2021-09-22 06:54:11 +0000 UTC

Thank You. I don't get why people don't understand that the show creators got hired to do the next Star Wars trilogy and many of the actors and actresses were ready to move on as well. It was also becoming increasingly hard to keep things going with no more book material. Dave and Dan are show creators, not writers. I thought they did an excellent job of translating the books into show format overall. I too had no issues with the majority of the things that happened in season 8, it was just rushed.

Andrew Clifton

2021-09-22 05:44:52 +0000 UTC

This is the only season I didn't watch multiple times, I even forgot how many episodes were in it, and my original comment included a lot of spoilers; but anyway... I don't remember exactly how the series ended but the following may cross the line SPOILER wise: On second watch, I think I get why Cersei had Missandei's capa detated, but spared Tyrion. Khaleesi is now without her three most trusted bff's, her family, Drogo, Jorah, and Missandei, except for Drogon and her booty call across the sea, she's truly alone in the world. Cersei deliberately meant to trigger Khalessi by butchering Missandei, and drive a wedge between her and her allies. And it's a suicidal move I think on Cersei's part, she wants Danaerys to destroy her and everyone else...

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

2021-09-22 05:35:55 +0000 UTC

I have no issues with the things that happened in the final season, just the speed it all happened. Granted the schedule to make a tv show that puts most movies to shame is absolute madness, everyone was just exhausted because it could not be sustained.

Obie Brown

2021-09-22 04:57:43 +0000 UTC

Not the human conflict, but the 'heart in conflict', i.e. people wrestling with their own urges. Daenerys is a good example of that, balancing her impulse to save the downtrodden with being a dragon. Most POV's have such a conflict. That's character. Within the plot though, the White Walker story is endgame. The events in season 8 will happen (although the context will be completely different. See; Faegon), but in reverse: Daenerys will hit King's Landing first, and then the battle for the dawn will happen. "To go North, you must go South".

Marc Van de Klashorst

2021-09-22 04:56:52 +0000 UTC

i think MOST of the season 8 complaints are exaggerated....... but not this episode, some of the worst stuff of the whole series is in this episode

Tom Fehr

2021-09-22 04:50:30 +0000 UTC

Is marrying your Aunt is common in the north ?? YES IT IS, NED FATHER MARRY HIS AUNT, it always have been common in royal family to marry Aunt nephew uncle niece....it happened a lot throughout our own history, why should they be different ???? Also getting ambush on open sea ??????????? WTF

Daniel Vezina

2021-09-22 04:31:00 +0000 UTC

Real dumb lol

My_Cousin_Mose

2021-09-22 04:25:43 +0000 UTC

The shitty writing really takes the emotion out of it eh Nat?

My_Cousin_Mose

2021-09-22 04:19:42 +0000 UTC

Internet tough guys are so played out. Internet tough guys that have to pay money to be able to troll are extra sad, though.

RE

2021-09-22 03:25:02 +0000 UTC

I think a lot of it did make sense IF you condition yourself to think about the time jumps, and look in context of what shes going through right now and not what she went through season 1-6, you're viewing it through a portal of 2 small seasons though. Especially these last 4 episodes are essentially going to be months worth of book, I think it could easily be two aditional seasons from these episodes alone.

Asking

2021-09-22 02:10:47 +0000 UTC

So Don Britt, is there a threshold for how long we should talk about it to ourselves? Since Natalie doesn't participate in the comments, we're just sitting around in a circle telling each other about a coffee cup we all already knew about.

Trepanation21

2021-09-22 01:59:13 +0000 UTC

Honestly Jorah death was mercy. Having to watch Sir Cuck of house Friend Zone getting cock blocked every time he could and eventually would, was just painful.

The Guy on the Couch

2021-09-22 01:36:20 +0000 UTC

That should be the next X-Men movie she reacts to (and I agree, it's a really good one). Who knows when she'll react to it, though. I know she said that Natmare season was coming soon, so we might get First Class this Friday/Saturday, or it might be a while until we see it. I hope it's this Friday/Saturday

Ilsuk Yang

2021-09-22 00:51:52 +0000 UTC

Nat is basically us. I've never hear of "Letterkenny." What's it about? Always looking for new shows to watch

Ilsuk Yang

2021-09-22 00:38:33 +0000 UTC

the season recap vids tier 3 only?

CC

2021-09-22 00:35:18 +0000 UTC

I have gone and rewatched episodes from different seasons but ive never went back to watch season 8 episodes since they aired. Daenerys is my favorite character and I understand her drive to madness, in game of thrones logic we assume these events happened in back to back days or every other day but she lost jorah which broke her heart, her dragon which broke her heart she was already Vulnerable and to loose her closest friend i think that would drive anyone mad no matter how many times you said you wouldnt. not saying i agree with the writing but i understand it , she is young and she did everything other peoples way and it got her closest people killed i understand her madness cause id do the same and you know you would

FateMalone

2021-09-21 23:58:56 +0000 UTC

You wanna pay the extra money for all that cast after S8 with another pay hike be my guest, there is a reason shows like this and Lost were called risky for having huge casts.

Paul G

2021-09-21 23:42:48 +0000 UTC

She didn't forget about the iron fleet her seat is Dragonstone and the enemy has to be engaged at some point.

Paul G

2021-09-21 23:40:20 +0000 UTC

Mate don't be a dickhead, ya dickhead.

Zeliodes

2021-09-21 23:36:47 +0000 UTC

Problem is if in 10 years there are no more books whatever happens these same people will roast it. The cost to be book faithful with the full cast all the battles would be huge pushing what that LOTR series is at especially at the end if 10-12 seasons are wanted.

Paul Gibbons

2021-09-21 23:36:37 +0000 UTC

Her brother, the handmaiden she locked in the vault, the Tarly's etc..

Paul Gibbons

2021-09-21 23:32:50 +0000 UTC

Rigoddamndiculous sums up this season very well

Charlie Keeler

2021-09-21 23:25:21 +0000 UTC

Pink elephants will fly before we see those last books with House of the Dragon now filling his time.

Paul G

2021-09-21 23:24:28 +0000 UTC

You're not being critical of a video, you're being a dick.

Don Britt

2021-09-21 23:19:06 +0000 UTC

Yeah, why would you talk about a fun piece of trivia about an episode after watching it with someone who wasn't able to watch it when it was first released? /s I swear - there are some people in these comments whose buttholes are puckered tighter than a snare drum.

Don Britt

2021-09-21 23:16:44 +0000 UTC

The way Dany's character ends makes perfect sense for the story, they just extremely rushed the last 1/3rd of her development. If we had more episodes so we could spend more time on her gradual turn to madness it would work a lot better. I think these 1hr 30 minute episodes are one of the biggest factors in why the season is so rough. While it sounds great on paper, SO much happens in each episode it makes it feel even more rushed than it already is because even though we're watching 1.5+ episodes worth of story it feels faster with it all happening in a single sitting.

Dante

2021-09-21 22:29:12 +0000 UTC

idk I find myself able to enjoy it much more knowing how it ends. Allows me to really just focus on the amazing set pieces, music, and acting and just have fun seeing my favorite characters again.

Dante

2021-09-21 22:24:54 +0000 UTC

I agree I've always thought 10 seasons, 100 episodes would have been the perfect amount to tell the story of ASOIAF in. Sadly, we did not have a good enough writers room to be able to pull that off with the amount of original material (pretty much the entire last half of the story) that they would have had to come up with. Hence why we got the rushed final seasons and the sloppily tied up storylines, they just simply didn't know how to handle a story of this scale. A problem I imagine GRRM is having himself based on how long its taking him to finish.

Dante

2021-09-21 22:21:18 +0000 UTC

There are many controversies surround these last episodes. That said, I'm not sure if I'd say that Dani was so good or pure-hearted throughout the series. Dani showed many glimpses of that cold-crazy streak throughout. e.g., her reaction when her brother was killed, her crazy-eye speech at Qarth to the Spice King on the steps about her destiny. She was mostly surrounded by those who loved and worshipped her until she arrived in Westeros, so maybe that blinded us to Dani's imperfections.

James M

2021-09-21 22:17:57 +0000 UTC

To me, it's stupid that Jon would go blabbing about how he's actually a Targaryen. He was raised a Stark and his family all thought of him as a Stark. He claims to have no interest in the throne while knowing full well that if people found out he's a Targaryen, they'd want to proclaim him the king. Seems like it would've been in his own best interest to keep the secret. Meanwhile his father took a secret to the grave that wasn't in his own best interest. And Jon can't even do that one little favor for Daenerys. Anyway, I've been on Team Khaleesi for 7 seasons. I'm sure things will all be hunky dory by the next episode, right guys? ......guys?

Joe Blankenship

2021-09-21 22:17:06 +0000 UTC

I honestly don't think Dany's story is as egregious as you're making it out to be, Nat. Yes, it is definitely a bit rushed, but it has also definitely been seeded throughout the story. We saw multiple times throughout her rule of Mereen where she wanted to take the fire and blood approach and had to be talked out of it by Ser Barristan and Ser Jorah, then later on by Tyrion. Remember, before she attacked the Loot Train, she wanted to fly to the Red Keep and burn it down, but Jon talked her out of it. In my opinion, Dany has always been prone to these tendencies but has listened to her advisors when it mattered most. Now, she's across the narrow sea in a land where she has almost no supporters and has lost all of her advisors except Tyrion. She also has lived her entire life believing herself to be the last living Targaryen and that her destiny was to come out of the fire, birth three dragons, and conquer the 7 kingdoms. That has also been upended as she's found out there is a male Targaryen heir with a better claim than her to the throne, and he wants to tell people about it. Finally, throw losing 2/3 of her children and watching her best friend get beheaded on top of that and I think it's pretty obvious she's going to break. Now she's done listening to any advice other than Olenna's, "You're a dragon. Be a dragon."

Dante

2021-09-21 22:11:01 +0000 UTC

You can be critical without being insulting though...

Marcus Carter

2021-09-21 22:04:11 +0000 UTC

@Marc While I've always held this same sentiment, GRRM himself has said the main theme/driver behind the series is the human conflict. Not really sure why he's said that as it definitely seems like the White Walkers should be.

Dante

2021-09-21 22:03:27 +0000 UTC

I was kinda looking for it. I should have known it wouldn't be in there.

Joe Blankenship

2021-09-21 21:57:54 +0000 UTC

I think the rushed pace is why this ending seems so crazy. If there were 3 or 4 episodes between this one and the next, things might not have seemed so abrupt and out of character.

Joe Blankenship

2021-09-21 21:55:35 +0000 UTC

Brian, Dany, getting surprised by the Iron Fleet off Dragonstone for the second time in what, three seasons, is absolutely nonsensical. And that when she's literally flying her dragons, easily able to see the Iron Fleet, but just doesn't. It literally does not make sense to write the script with that series of events. Separately, there's no actual plot reason for her dragon to die in this episode, given what comes next. Cersei not killing Drogon while he's clearly in the firing range of the Scorpions outside of Kings Landing also does not make sense. People try to explain it away by saying she's making a point to Dany, but that's outrageous. Drogon is literally the strongest piece on the chessboard and Cersei could have wiped him out but just...doesn't seem to care? After sitting out the battle against the dead, she could nearly win the war by killing Drogon right then, but doesn't because the plot doesn't want her to. You want me to go on?

Erik Stevenson

2021-09-21 21:54:23 +0000 UTC

No. I think imma stick it out for the rest of the season and talk my shit until then. As long as she can be critical on video, I will be critical in her comments. got it? thanks :D

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-21 21:53:55 +0000 UTC

There was no one who wanted to love the ending more than me, but the motivations for the characters along with their decisions are really sloppily built up to. I love the ending conceptually. But the execution was pretty bad overall

Conzi

2021-09-21 21:52:22 +0000 UTC

...feel free to not watch her reactions?

Erik Stevenson

2021-09-21 21:47:52 +0000 UTC

Yes , you are all so much smarter and better than everyone because you think you saw this coming. Some of us didn't because we believed in the character of Dany, doesn't mean we weren't watching, just means some of us had different expectations, so get off your high horse. Thanks, peace and love.

Austin

2021-09-21 21:30:41 +0000 UTC

CAP. Arya would literally get destroyed before reaching Cersei.

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-21 21:26:12 +0000 UTC

The most nonsensical character decision is Danaerys burning Kings Landing. She didn't gain anything and instead turned all of Westeros against her. She was always ruthless throughout the show, but always ruthless with a reason. She's depicted as being very intelligent. Her decision there is dumb. And the writing waving it's hands saying, "she's crazy now" doesn't fix that it didn't feel like a natural progression of her character. They do a lot of telling us what characters are instead of showing us how they got there in the last couple seasons.

Conzi

2021-09-21 21:25:02 +0000 UTC

Wrong.

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-21 21:21:22 +0000 UTC

I'mma have to disagree with you cuz I found myself enjoying season 8, but go off i guess lmao

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-21 21:17:48 +0000 UTC

I just laugh whenever this woman goes "that doesn't make sense" when she fails to piece things together lmao she just tries soo hard to sound smart but it's so cringe to me.

Rahkeem Valentine

2021-09-21 21:12:27 +0000 UTC

I absolutely agree with everything you state. People were always gonna hate the final season of this show, simply because their favorite thing was coming to an end. Add to that, the 2 years break, which gave everyone and their grandmothers time to think up the perfect ending in their head. No matter how the show ended, it was never gonna be able to live up to the build up, that people had done for years on end. The show ended the way it was supposed to. The way that made the most sense. People not being able to see this, just shows how their minds were already made up, before the final season even started.

Morten Larsen

2021-09-21 21:08:27 +0000 UTC

I agree it's heavily foreshadowed that she will eventually snap, but she has basically no reason to scortch Kings Landing in the show. It's an act of pure evil without any gain on her side. If they had built up to her losing her mind and acting more and more irrationally then it could be done brilliantly, but as is they just tell us she's crazy now. Just makes her character arc fall flat and her subsequent death feel hollow and a forced story beat instead of something that naturally progressed. Her snapping should have been a heartbreaking moment, but instead it was just mostly confusing.

Conzi

2021-09-21 21:07:02 +0000 UTC

So begins the trashing of most of our beloved characters.

chicks dig me

2021-09-21 21:06:41 +0000 UTC

So no point in talking about it... There was a car in Braveheart... Let's talk about that as well?

Morten Larsen

2021-09-21 21:05:26 +0000 UTC

Why would she worry about the Iron Fleet? She had dragons, and for all she knew, the scorpion Drogon destroyed, was the only one they had. Also, Euron was the greatest captain of the 14 seas. She could have worried about him all she wanted, and he would still have found a way to surprise her... Because he was just that good.

Morten Larsen

2021-09-21 21:03:21 +0000 UTC

There isn't a "build up" to reality. Things just HAPPEN sometimes, without rhyme or reason. Why is it so difficult to understand that this can happen?

Morten Larsen

2021-09-21 20:57:34 +0000 UTC

John is Stark as well as Targ, Jon is not their brother but their cousin...he's still family. It wouldn't matter to me that Dany is auntie...

chicks dig me

2021-09-21 20:56:49 +0000 UTC

Look at Dany's reaction when Khal Drogo was talking about destroying the homes in Westeros, committing mass murder, and raping women. She seems to get some sexual gratification from Drogo's blood thirsty rant. When I saw her reaction, I immediately thought of Joffrey.

Matt D

2021-09-21 20:36:34 +0000 UTC

Which ones are those?

The Dog Walker

2021-09-21 20:33:08 +0000 UTC

Tyler is too busy spending his fiances YouTube cash.

chicks dig me

2021-09-21 20:27:26 +0000 UTC

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the great starbucks cup debacle! During the great feast after the funeral, when Tormond is going on and on about how John rode a dragon, we saw Danny sitting at the table in the background contemplating how everyone was ignoring her. There was an obvious starbucks coffe cup on the table in front of her. It was removed digitally after it was spotted by thousands of viewers.

Tadpoleaxe

2021-09-21 20:25:09 +0000 UTC

I don't see it this way at all. Over in Essos, she rose from a girl that was traded to a warlord by her brother, to a conqueror and liberator of slaves and the poor. She won the love of the common people in doing so, even though she has always had that inclination to be ruthless. When she gets to Westeros, she's already got dragons, a massive fleet and a massive army. She only ever interacts with Lords, Knights, various other high born people and their Maesters. No interactions with the common people and she just expects them to know all about her and just love her. She just didn't want to repeat the same process she went through in Essos. Summing it all up with "Targaryens are crazy" is entirely the fault of the writers who made this character too basic in the later seasons when there was a lot of meat for them to work with from the earlier seasons. I won't go into the Targaryen family history and how a lot of them were definitely not crazy. But Rhaegar? Non cray-cray Targaryen. 😉

Brandon

2021-09-21 20:23:24 +0000 UTC

Her first instinct, in almost every instance throughout the show has been to resort to violence. The countless times she's had to be talked off that ledge are plentiful to say the least. So it's not the "way they watched the show" at all. It's the fact that they weren't paying attention when they watched it....smh

Brian Jones

2021-09-21 20:20:19 +0000 UTC

Examples might help your argument just a bit Erik. You seem to be lacking.

Brian Jones

2021-09-21 20:17:13 +0000 UTC

I agree as well with this and Dany. People haven't been paying attention how blood thirsty she is and that her first choice is always violence. I do wish the season was longer to delve into more though.

Corey

2021-09-21 20:05:18 +0000 UTC

100% Agree.

William

2021-09-21 19:55:46 +0000 UTC

Dany has always been crazy. We just never noticed it because we were on her side and she was still far away from the Iron Throne. Remember when she and her handful of Dothraki followers were three quarters dead from starvation and dehydration outside Qarth and rather than be humble she chose to threaten the leaders of the city to demand entrance? The theme is pretty simple. Targaryen's are crazy. The closer they get to sitting on the throne, the worse it gets. It's always been simple, and frankly the perceptions of people who can't follow that are pretty simple as well. Also, I loved watching Jaime go back to Cersei because it's actually pretty realistic if you've ever known someone who spent their whole life in toxic situations with people who are bad for them. They almost ALWAYS go back to that person they just can't quit, even though they know it's a bad idea. It's like a drug, and you can rarely rescue those people from themselves. If you've never seen something like that in real life, I envy you. Because the frustration you feel is far great than Natalie's annoyance here. Didn't everyone fall in love with this show because of how realistic the politicking and relationships were? Why is that suddenly a major complaint at the end of the series? Complain about it being rushed in 6 episodes. That is perfectly reasonable. But all these "confusing" things I see get brought up, just prove that most of the audience isn't that perceptive.

Aaron

2021-09-21 19:52:12 +0000 UTC

I always thought that the events of Season 6 + 7 should've been stretched out over 3 seasons instead of 2, with the wall coming down at the end of (what would've been) Season 8. And then I would've preferred an entire Season 9 to cover the events of S8E1-S8E3, and an entire Season 10 to cover the events of S8E4-S8E6.

Andy

2021-09-21 19:46:04 +0000 UTC

At this point I just rewatch the last season to laugh at it.

Kayla

2021-09-21 19:38:00 +0000 UTC

You did what I did with the final season of Dexter. I dipped out halfway through the final season after it was once one of my top 5 shows. I used to be a "down with the ship" kind of TV fan, but if you're not into, then you're just not into it.

Brandon

2021-09-21 19:21:08 +0000 UTC

"alot of that didn't make any sense" Sadly thats Season 8 in a nutshell, the writers tried to justify it by saying "Dany sorta forgot about the Iron Fleet" thats the literal quote and stuff like that and so much more showed they just didn't care at all at the end.

Xanbry

2021-09-21 19:15:41 +0000 UTC

Hey Natalie, could you please to movie reaction to X-men first class. It's a really good one, been waiting for it since you started the series.

Ahmad Zain

2021-09-21 19:02:35 +0000 UTC

Brian, saying that doesn't actually make it true. The number of people who collectively agree that various things 'don't make sense' in and of itself is proof that at best, the rationale for things is so muddled that you have to actually make connections that are not apparent for it to make any kind of sense at all.

Erik Stevenson

2021-09-21 18:55:52 +0000 UTC

The entirety of her story arc for the first 6 seasons is liberating and freeing innocent people, being cruel exclusively to slavers and those who actively take up arms against her. It's not that people 'haven't seen the show' it's that they watched the show.

Erik Stevenson

2021-09-21 18:54:03 +0000 UTC

Yes, the last episode had issues. Many thing that were done seemed to be for a dramatic effect or that it would look good than to have a story logic to it. It probably didn't help that the whole of the fandom for the longest time were second guessing what was going to happen. Who would live and who would die. Who was the one talked about in the various "prophecies". Who would kill the Night King. Kind of a bad place for a show runner and writers to be in. For me. I give them a break. At this point the series is very different from at least where the books have got to. They did their best to deliver on a long anticipated episode. Trying to make it fun to watch as it built to a point of tension at the end. Could it have been better? Sure. But we are not part of the production team. Not our call. If you all think you can do better, then make your own version of GoT. I'm not being spiteful. I would love to see it. Some very creative and talented people out there. Last thought. This is not the end all version of Game of Thrones/ The Song of Fire and Ice. In my life I have seen three-ish versions of Lord of the Rings. In a few weeks the third version of Dune is coming out. Give it 10 or more years and someone else will try this again. Maybe closer to the books. Maybe some screwed up version like they did Avatar the Last Airbender. We just have to wait and see. Anyone up for a GoT musical? Maybe an opera would be better suited. Animated? Most likely the next version. Radio play?

Tranquil_Gnome

2021-09-21 18:51:40 +0000 UTC

The threat of the Others/White Walkers has been lined up as the endgame from the first novel, and the quarrel for the throne a giant red herring. "When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Summer is the time for squabbles. In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths" (ARYA II)

Marc Van de Klashorst

2021-09-21 18:46:53 +0000 UTC

It's always good to watch these to get the hate flowing again.

Marc Van de Klashorst

2021-09-21 18:39:23 +0000 UTC

Danny has always been cruel to those who don't follow her, remember how he crucified the masters. She always had a better grip on her emotions and outbursts. This changed when her dragons started dying. That was the changing point in her character and where she began to change. It's actually very similar to how Cersei changed as her children died.

john collins

2021-09-21 18:39:05 +0000 UTC

It being foreshadowed doesn't mean it wasn't horribly executed in this final season.

WackySwacky

2021-09-21 18:23:52 +0000 UTC

Bronn shot the ballista at her and her dragon before. She should definitely expect that they have a bunch of ballistas to use against her. She doesn't even have to do anything. Arya was going to take care of Cersei for her, and Arya could do it easily.

WackySwacky

2021-09-21 18:22:18 +0000 UTC

Rushed? Sure.... But nonsensical? Not at all. All of the character motivations make sense.

Brian Jones

2021-09-21 18:22:07 +0000 UTC

The main reason she only killed Missande is to make a point to Daenerys.... She was being diplomatic and pretty much saying hey I'm not going to kill all of you that I could easily do quickly I'm just going to kill her and you get what I'm saying... It wouldn't be any fun to Cersei if she just killed everyone just then and there and she would have much bigger worry if she did that,,,!

Jayson Orlando

2021-09-21 18:20:49 +0000 UTC

Agreed that it's rushed, but even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could have seen it coming. Mike is right, it's been one of the most foreshadowed things of the entire series.

Brian Jones

2021-09-21 18:19:09 +0000 UTC

Can't wait for you to watch the finale so we can talk about it. The last season of GoT is the most difficult re-watch of any season of any show. Watching it back, knowing where it's going, is even worse than watching it for the first time.

Jeff E

2021-09-21 18:16:54 +0000 UTC

Loving your reaction to so much in this episode hahaha Just a constant state of confusion. So much doesn't make sense. The writing in the last few season since they diverted from the books has been of a lower standard. I can't wait for the next two episodes haha

KoolKamal

2021-09-21 18:09:10 +0000 UTC

Right on. For all its real or apparent flaws, the show played fair with Dany's personality: She's always been ruthless when faced with threats to her power, it's just that she was a lot more sympathetic when she was freeing slaves in the process of destroying her enemies.

RE

2021-09-21 18:07:31 +0000 UTC

I agree. Although her descent into madness is probably the single most rushed plot in the show and probably the shows biggest mistake

Conzi

2021-09-21 18:01:17 +0000 UTC

This is where I last left the show off, back when it first aired. I wasn't angry, just apathetic at that point. So I never bothered to tune in to watch the last three. I am afraid of how this episode, and the others, will make me feel. Oh well. A sense of completion is still something. As for the Battle of Winterfell, I expected no less than four names from the opening credits to be killed off. It was a little disappointing, given the build-up.

Jomero

2021-09-21 17:41:23 +0000 UTC

"I like to watch people's reactions!" - I know, right? 🤣 It's not as if Dany's murderous intentions were never there... but people never mention how in earlier seasons she associated a lot more with the common people there. She rose from growing up poor to a conqueror and a liberator with empathy for slaves and the poor, despite that urge she has to be ruthless. In Westeros, she was already a major power player when she got there and never really associates with anyone but the Lords, Knights and various other highborn people and their Maesters/servants. This never really comes across very well in the writing of this season and I don't really think any characters ever call her out on it either (but it's been awhile since I've seen episodes 5 and 6).

Brandon

2021-09-21 17:21:49 +0000 UTC

Ugh every five minutes in this season something happens that is frustrating, nonsensical, irritating, or aggravating. Such a poor handling of the end of such a great show. :(

Garren Haskell

2021-09-21 17:10:18 +0000 UTC

"I love watching people's reactions!!" Apparently, so do we which is why we watch you. Lol. If you're looking for another show to watch after this, might I suggest "Letterkenny?" It's very popular, and has 9 seasons, but only about 8 episodes per season. You can binge it in a weekend.

Leaf on the Wind

2021-09-21 16:39:28 +0000 UTC

The last 2 books might make it work. Who knows.

WackySwacky

2021-09-21 16:38:35 +0000 UTC

"She's never been like this before" I always wonder when someone says that about Dany. It's like they havent seen the show and the many times she has wanted to do something all murdery and has to be talked out of it. She has been that way since she obtained power.

William

2021-09-21 16:36:50 +0000 UTC

The last 3 episodes is where things really just fall apart.

WackySwacky

2021-09-21 16:36:48 +0000 UTC

Yes same here.

Paul Gibbons

2021-09-21 16:28:01 +0000 UTC

I guess that was the intro for the folks on YouTube, who will get one video with episodes 4-6 edited together.

ThisOneHasNoName

2021-09-21 16:25:24 +0000 UTC

This isn’t the finale? I’m sorry I’m confused. There’s episode 4, 5, and 6…

Lynda Olson

2021-09-21 16:00:52 +0000 UTC

Happy thrones Tuesday Nat for the final time it's been quite the journey it really has 🙂 as alwwlooking forward to this one and hearing your thoughts so on that note lets get into it 💛

Ian

2021-09-21 15:59:54 +0000 UTC

plus seeing everyone supporting Jon in the North/Westeros.. ... we all go a little MAD sometimes.

Sean S

2021-09-21 15:54:51 +0000 UTC

i did a full re-watch a few months back. and I 100% enjoyed the final season way more. i think mostly bc I knew the rushed pace was coming, so that wasn't a big shock and I could just focus on the story/characters/production.

Sean S

2021-09-21 15:45:04 +0000 UTC

I always believe it was a huge error to have 2 major big stories in the series as a whole, too many moving pieces and objectives and then which one is the resolved first. It would have been better served if GRRM had stuck to his original plan wrote 3 books to sort out the throne and then brought the remnants to have to sort out the threat beyond the wall would have helped the tv show too.

Paul Gibbons

2021-09-21 15:37:52 +0000 UTC

And here we go for the final stretch! Hi Nat and thanks for your new reaction! 😄 I really can't wait to discover your final thoughts about the show and I'm really curious about Tyler's too. I just hope for this last crossing you will not be (or has been) too disappointed hahaha ( there are several inconsistencies or bad choices though haha but what's done is done unfortunately) I hope you're fine, take care, be safe and stay golden! 💛

Calo Grsf

2021-09-21 15:33:42 +0000 UTC

"There couldn't have been more buildup to that?" Now you know why season 8 is so disliked.

RE

2021-09-21 15:22:59 +0000 UTC

To be fair she had 2 dragons and couldnt have known about the ballistas on the ships. I can see her not being particulary worried. She could have burned the masters fleet to ash in 6x9 if she wanted to.

William

2021-09-21 15:14:42 +0000 UTC

"Kinda confused where this show will leave off" Prepare to me more confused.

Jonathan Flick

2021-09-21 15:12:13 +0000 UTC

"Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" literally WTF D&D 🙄🤷🤦

Jon Parker

2021-09-21 15:00:37 +0000 UTC

Unbelievable to be starting on the final week of Thrones today. They certainly did cover a lot of ground in this episode. The opening funeral and Jon's speech is very well done , and now everybody is making their decisions, and their journeys to the finale. Let the mayhem begin. Great intro Nat, and thanks for today's reaction 💛

Darryl Low

2021-09-21 14:38:12 +0000 UTC

Welcome to the beginning of the end, and the 3 worst episodes of the entire show.

Christopher French

2021-09-21 14:37:47 +0000 UTC

I'm cool with an unedited 45-minute post-season discussion with Tyler.

Marc Van de Klashorst

2021-09-21 14:29:53 +0000 UTC

It would have been different if she barreled towards Euron and let out one big Dracarys... But to just do that and then nothing and fly off was senseless Drogon's fire could have totally taken out that whole fleet, But oh wait... No I won't say it lol

Jayson Orlando

2021-09-21 14:23:26 +0000 UTC

With Daenerys it's just a situation of each thing she's lost, each time she loses something she seems to descend into a little bit more of a crazed almost paranoid state.... Ser Jorah dying, at the dinner she started to get a bit more paranoid..... Rhaegal being killed she gets angrier... And finally Missandei was her breaking point ... And you could tell by the look at her face at the end of the episode that she's no longer the same person at all, I don't think I've ever seen Daenerys makes such a snarl like she made at the end of the episode... It's about to get real y'all!

Jayson Orlando

2021-09-21 14:21:38 +0000 UTC

Happy Tuesday, Natalie! 😊 I'm getting this downloaded right now so that I can watch it later tonight. I can't believe that we're in the final week of episodes already! Looking forward to watching this reaction during the evening. Have a great day today! 😊 Until the next video, Stay Golden! 💛

Randee Carreno

2021-09-21 14:08:59 +0000 UTC

I shall be watching with one eye closed here on out. I hope the pain will be offset by your reaction which I have been looking forward to for a while now.

mike

2021-09-21 13:50:02 +0000 UTC

And Daenarys kinda forgot about the iron fleet.

Ariel Conde

2021-09-21 13:46:01 +0000 UTC

I had to stop with the entire season. I tried but couldn't bring myself to relive the end.

Elvenwitch

2021-09-21 13:31:34 +0000 UTC

So close to the end.. It feels unreal that we're already here :D

Danishprince

2021-09-21 13:21:57 +0000 UTC

I am in the camp of people who think it'll be tough to rewatch the last three episodes, I really want to enjoy them but feel the writers rushed the close out and made strange decisions for character endings. In any case I'm looking forward to Nat's thoughts! Thanks for pressing through so quickly.

Christian Fierro

2021-09-21 13:07:38 +0000 UTC

YAAAAAAAAASSSSS!!! Let’s gooooooo!!!!!

Valentin torres

2021-09-21 13:02:21 +0000 UTC

FIRST TIME WATCHING: GOT S8E4!!

Comments

These later season reactions have been hard work. Sometimes less is more, and streams of consciousness best left until post-episode. 2c.

they did it the wrong way around. it would have been far more compelling to have the humans fight it out, have the remaining forces fight it out, then fade to black right after Arya flew from the shadows and just end it there.

Totally agree, Man

1:20:52: I don't see it as emotional. He's desperate for a peaceful surrender.

Omg you just gave me such a good story change and moment idea..... what if the second dragon wasen`t killed and then when she screamed dracarys that dragon would have attacked and died there instead..... omg that would have been 10 times better and more logic

"Daenerys sort of forgot about the Iron Fleet"

I hope you're not speaking from personal experience. If so, I'm sorry.

Good to know that men can be recognized as victims of domestic abuse in a fantasy world, at least.

Jaime's attitude makes more sense when you see him as a victim of domestic abuse.

Imagine living such a sad and sorry existence that you'd be willing to pay to join a Patreon to try and harass and be a dick. You're not commentating or offering anything good to the conversation, you're just being an asshole. Leave.

Weird and definitely none of your business.

Natalie, the reason for all this is in the absence of a well laid out story line D&D had to shock our sensibilities hoping we wouldn't notice.

Dany and co went on ship and dragon, those are faster than horses I think.

Ron, i urge you to find and watch a youtube video called "We Need to Talk About Game of Thrones I Guess".

Rip Ser Blueballs.

Arya and the Hound left for King's Landing first, but somehow Dany and her whole army gets there before them? ....what?

You should be able to watch them from tier 2 up. They are usually at the start of part 1 of the following season, when Nat and Tyler have a discussion of the previous season's events. Nat did the season 7 recap herself at the start of 8 Ep.1. Hope this helps.

"A lot of that didn't really make sense" yeah that pretty much sums up this season.

OR Cersei could have just shot 50 ballistas at Dany and turned her into ground beef right then and there. Dany bafflingly just walks straight up to the gates of King's Landing and puts herself completely at the mercy of her mortal enemy. Don't think too much about it, the showrunners didn't either.

Shhhhhh, stop bringing up logical points, the showrunners didn't actually read the books.

She's a faceless man, she could just take the face of Qyburn and poison Cersei's wine. Arya could do it easily.

Because it's not a documentary and any storyteller worth a fart understands pacing, and character arcs.

I have no issues with the things that happened in the final season, just the speed it all happened. Granted the schedule to make a tv show that puts most movies to shame is absolute madness, everyone was just exhausted because it could not be sustained.

i think MOST of the season 8 complaints are exaggerated....... but not this episode, some of the worst stuff of the whole series is in this episode

Is marrying your Aunt is common in the north ?? YES IT IS, NED FATHER MARRY HIS AUNT, it always have been common in royal family to marry Aunt nephew uncle niece....it happened a lot throughout our own history, why should they be different ???? Also getting ambush on open sea ??????????? WTF

Real dumb lol

The shitty writing really takes the emotion out of it eh Nat?

Internet tough guys are so played out. Internet tough guys that have to pay money to be able to troll are extra sad, though.

So Don Britt, is there a threshold for how long we should talk about it to ourselves? Since Natalie doesn't participate in the comments, we're just sitting around in a circle telling each other about a coffee cup we all already knew about.

Honestly Jorah death was mercy. Having to watch Sir Cuck of house Friend Zone getting cock blocked every time he could and eventually would, was just painful.

Nat is basically us. I've never hear of "Letterkenny." What's it about? Always looking for new shows to watch

the season recap vids tier 3 only?

You wanna pay the extra money for all that cast after S8 with another pay hike be my guest, there is a reason shows like this and Lost were called risky for having huge casts.

She didn't forget about the iron fleet her seat is Dragonstone and the enemy has to be engaged at some point.

Mate don't be a dickhead, ya dickhead.

Problem is if in 10 years there are no more books whatever happens these same people will roast it. The cost to be book faithful with the full cast all the battles would be huge pushing what that LOTR series is at especially at the end if 10-12 seasons are wanted.

Her brother, the handmaiden she locked in the vault, the Tarly's etc..

Rigoddamndiculous sums up this season very well

Pink elephants will fly before we see those last books with House of the Dragon now filling his time.

You're not being critical of a video, you're being a dick.

Yeah, why would you talk about a fun piece of trivia about an episode after watching it with someone who wasn't able to watch it when it was first released? /s I swear - there are some people in these comments whose buttholes are puckered tighter than a snare drum.

idk I find myself able to enjoy it much more knowing how it ends. Allows me to really just focus on the amazing set pieces, music, and acting and just have fun seeing my favorite characters again.

You can be critical without being insulting though...

@Marc While I've always held this same sentiment, GRRM himself has said the main theme/driver behind the series is the human conflict. Not really sure why he's said that as it definitely seems like the White Walkers should be.

I was kinda looking for it. I should have known it wouldn't be in there.

I think the rushed pace is why this ending seems so crazy. If there were 3 or 4 episodes between this one and the next, things might not have seemed so abrupt and out of character.

No. I think imma stick it out for the rest of the season and talk my shit until then. As long as she can be critical on video, I will be critical in her comments. got it? thanks :D

There was no one who wanted to love the ending more than me, but the motivations for the characters along with their decisions are really sloppily built up to. I love the ending conceptually. But the execution was pretty bad overall

...feel free to not watch her reactions?

Yes , you are all so much smarter and better than everyone because you think you saw this coming. Some of us didn't because we believed in the character of Dany, doesn't mean we weren't watching, just means some of us had different expectations, so get off your high horse. Thanks, peace and love.

CAP. Arya would literally get destroyed before reaching Cersei.

Wrong.

I'mma have to disagree with you cuz I found myself enjoying season 8, but go off i guess lmao

I just laugh whenever this woman goes "that doesn't make sense" when she fails to piece things together lmao she just tries soo hard to sound smart but it's so cringe to me.

So begins the trashing of most of our beloved characters.

So no point in talking about it... There was a car in Braveheart... Let's talk about that as well?

There isn't a "build up" to reality. Things just HAPPEN sometimes, without rhyme or reason. Why is it so difficult to understand that this can happen?

John is Stark as well as Targ, Jon is not their brother but their cousin...he's still family. It wouldn't matter to me that Dany is auntie...

Look at Dany's reaction when Khal Drogo was talking about destroying the homes in Westeros, committing mass murder, and raping women. She seems to get some sexual gratification from Drogo's blood thirsty rant. When I saw her reaction, I immediately thought of Joffrey.

Which ones are those?

Tyler is too busy spending his fiances YouTube cash.

Examples might help your argument just a bit Erik. You seem to be lacking.

I agree as well with this and Dany. People haven't been paying attention how blood thirsty she is and that her first choice is always violence. I do wish the season was longer to delve into more though.

100% Agree.

At this point I just rewatch the last season to laugh at it.

You did what I did with the final season of Dexter. I dipped out halfway through the final season after it was once one of my top 5 shows. I used to be a "down with the ship" kind of TV fan, but if you're not into, then you're just not into it.

"alot of that didn't make any sense" Sadly thats Season 8 in a nutshell, the writers tried to justify it by saying "Dany sorta forgot about the Iron Fleet" thats the literal quote and stuff like that and so much more showed they just didn't care at all at the end.

Hey Natalie, could you please to movie reaction to X-men first class. It's a really good one, been waiting for it since you started the series.

The entirety of her story arc for the first 6 seasons is liberating and freeing innocent people, being cruel exclusively to slavers and those who actively take up arms against her. It's not that people 'haven't seen the show' it's that they watched the show.

It's always good to watch these to get the hate flowing again.

It being foreshadowed doesn't mean it wasn't horribly executed in this final season.

Bronn shot the ballista at her and her dragon before. She should definitely expect that they have a bunch of ballistas to use against her. She doesn't even have to do anything. Arya was going to take care of Cersei for her, and Arya could do it easily.

Rushed? Sure.... But nonsensical? Not at all. All of the character motivations make sense.

Agreed that it's rushed, but even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could have seen it coming. Mike is right, it's been one of the most foreshadowed things of the entire series.

Can't wait for you to watch the finale so we can talk about it. The last season of GoT is the most difficult re-watch of any season of any show. Watching it back, knowing where it's going, is even worse than watching it for the first time.

Loving your reaction to so much in this episode hahaha Just a constant state of confusion. So much doesn't make sense. The writing in the last few season since they diverted from the books has been of a lower standard. I can't wait for the next two episodes haha

Right on. For all its real or apparent flaws, the show played fair with Dany's personality: She's always been ruthless when faced with threats to her power, it's just that she was a lot more sympathetic when she was freeing slaves in the process of destroying her enemies.

I agree. Although her descent into madness is probably the single most rushed plot in the show and probably the shows biggest mistake