The Vampire Diaries - S05E12♡Uncut Reaction &Review ♡

From what I remember Tyler and. Klaus are rivals and detest ea h other. Tyler never really had any realistic opportunity to kill Klaus, but if he could, he would. There is a scene in 5/5 where Tyler has packed his bags to go off to Louisiana to save ‘his pack’. Caroline begs him to stay and just love her, then says if you go we’re done. Tyler manages to hold back his undying love for Caroline and go for a jaunt in the swamp to save ‘his pack’ even though they aren’t. So they are done. Caroline is not property. Tyler doesn’t own her! Yeah he can be angry but at himself. She has been next to him the whole time and the minute he wants to go off and try and find himself off he goes? If you piss Klaus off he will hunt you down snd bury your dog in the back yard. It’s what he does, Answer don’t piss him off. Caroline gets to do whatever the heck she wants and he doesn’t get to lay claim to her, Seriously? His answer to a little girl trying to talk to him is to wolf out? It’s a dick move.. Tyler needs to grow some, realize Caroline’s gone - and it’s down to him - and go find himself a girl who won’t die if he gets a bit toothy when they kiss.

I do get why Katherine did what she did (break up as Elena) it’s almost like Damon is the only one justified in his bad behavior??? He tortured the poor girl while she was dying, so she really did let him off sweet.

Loved By You

@Patpet Thats true, but:-1)What stefan did to elena was 100% necessary, and he knew exactly what he was doing, klaus's hybrids had to leave town, there was purpose to his actions 2) Making jeremy kill hunters was also 100% necessary, if stefan hadn't done it , klaus would've. Again, it was important for most people to find the cure , there is a good purpose there, and a very fair reason 3) And in both cases, he didnt cause permanent harm to either of them,he got the job done in both cases Now, What was damon's purpose for killing jeremy in season 2? What was his purpose for killing Aaron or Sara?? There isn't any, he just did it because he wanted to. He did it because he was angry or sad His actions didnt help anyone on both cases

Gokul

It is more difficult to understand Damon character because, the the writing have a different weight in regards of the two brothers accountability, Damon has a reputation, and every single thing that he does his repeated and he had to pay for it, for an entire season, while the stuff that Stefan does it is brushed under the carpet, and he is never hold accountable for the manipulations, the lies, for the very bad behaviour with Elena and Jeremy and plenty more I cannot say because it's a spoiler, So it appear that Damon is worse when is not. But denying Stefan bad behaviour, or forgetting his manipulative, self-righteous part of him is like cutting one of the most interesting part of Stefan. I like that part of Stefan gives him depth, If you take that part of him away, making him poor-good-only-good -victim Stefan, he would be as boring and as flat as hell.

Patpet

Stefan too because he was taking revenge on Klaus drove Elena treating her, he stripped Jeremy of his humanity making the two brothers and sister to live together, he killed Andi for no reason at all, because is not like by killing her he make Elena to stop looking for him. By the way when he turn his humanity off as soon as he became vampire is very debatable, because we seen the when Damon told him that he was reckless and that they had to be cautious, and after he got Stefan answering not to worried because he was killing all the founders family members, Damon told him he would get them to be killed and he was living him to do that to himself , Stefan changed mood and begged him not to go. That was emotion, if he had his humanity off, he would have reacted very differently. So NO he might have switch it off later, when he was on his own, but not there. Also the 20s he had his humanity on, he was capable to love, feel friendship, so no again he had his humanity on as Damon said he was acting like a duche and that is why Damon stayed away from him in those days.

Patpet

😂😂 that’s the point “ since they have the same face “

safae mokadem

Caroline and Stefan are steroline

Jay zay

Wait how would a phone with Face ID work when they have the same face 😭😭😭😭

Jay zay

He told her to leave cause he was upset. She didn’t listen and kept coming closer. And he did that to make her back off. Stefan said drunk or not she doesn’t deserve this. I think she deserved more than that.

Jay zay

No I do not mean the innocent victims of his lashout being similar. I was referring to lashing out in pain/hurt as the similar situation. And I know Stefan was seeking revenge from Klaus who was responsible for his free will being stripped from him but in the path of his revenge he does end up hurting others too. For example, almost driving Elena off the Wickery Bridge and making her relive her trauma.

Archna

Well No... its not understandable actually Stefan lashed out on the person who destroyed his life.. I.e klaus Damon lashed out on 2 innocent people who had nothing do with the bad things that happened to him How can you even compare these 2 situations...Common now The problem is not with lashing out....The problem is with lashing out on the wrong people Its kinda shocking that you think both the situations are the same.... :/

Gokul

When he is hurt/upset he lashes out yes I am not denying that. Katherine got under his skin in Season 2 so he snaps Jeremy's neck and that is not something I can defend him for because it was wrong!! As for Aaron he did spare him at first by snapping Enzo's neck instead. And I don't know if anyone realised that because Damon was thinking of getting back with Elena, he dropped his revenge which btw no one has been able to do in this show so far. Not Tyler, Not Stefan and not even Elena. Yes in the end he kills him but I have two reasons for him killing Aaron. One he was with Enzo and he was already guilty for leaving his friend behind earlier to die alone so he actually decided to be there and continue with Enzo's revenge now because it isn't his any longer. Second reason obviously is that he was just told by 'Elena as Katherine' that her faith in his goodness doesn't exist anymore so he decides to become that monster. In the end his reason to kill in these two situations is him lashing out of being hurt. Is it okay? NO. But is it understandable? Yes. And if we think about Stefan then he also does lash out when he is hurt right? He was compelled by Klaus to turn of his humanity and then when he turns it on, he also seeks revenge for the pain. So yeah for me it is not too different.

Archna

@Archna Why did he kill Aaron then? Or jeremy in season 2? He likes killing when he is upset ..and I enjoy watching him kill people...but that doesn't change the fact that sometimes he just wants to kill for no apparent reason

Gokul

I do not think he needs to be defended but he is defended because his fans understand him and love him for all that he is and most of them see this show through his eyes. And no I don't agree that he kills people for the heck of it he always has a point to prove. But your opinion is your opinion and mine is mine and it's just about looking at things differently.

Archna

Exactly! It is so funny and frustrating at the same time because she would pretend to like someone just a few minutes ago but then again prove to you that it doesn't matter if she claims to like you or cares about you because in the end it's all about wanting to just use you in some way or the other.

Archna

I have about 100 of my favorite scores saved to a playlist and it helps me fall asleep at night 😴💜No show could ever compare when it comes to music composition

Savannah

The fact that Katherine saw an occasion to be nasty and took it, just to put Caroline in a bad position with Tyler, is the measure of who Katherine really is, a manipulative bi**h taking pleasure in messing up others life, out of jealousy or spite.

Patpet

@Archna..Trueeee...i do feel he needs to be defended...because a lot of people do hate him on the internet(sometimes for no reason)...but lets be honest, damon sometimes kills just for the heck of it xDDDDD

Gokul

I would not say that you are a hater because you have acknowledged that both the Salvatore brothers go out killing people in different situations and for maybe different reasons. But the thing about Damon being defended by his fans mainly is because in the show he is judged way too harshly by people who very much kill people for likewise reasons. I know that Stefan ends up being the Ripper Stefan when he loses control due to his bloodlust issues which he never addresses properly or when his humanity is off. Whereas Damon would kill to protect his people, save himself from being a victim again after years of being victimised. I am not saying that either one of them isn't capable of good and bad because they are as Vampires it is in their nature. But with Damon I love him for his endearment quality. He himself being able to own his actions is why he is majorly defended by his fans because yes it is a choice he makes and he owns it too. Does he feel guilty for some of it? Yes. See overall the thing that Stefan loses his human side because of the vampirism but with Damon it's not because of it. It's more because of his experiences with humans who have wronged him that led him to taking control by using violence.

Archna

@Patpet..1218??? Holy shitt I never knew there were so many, thats like 7-8 songs per episode xD...and out of the 1218 I can barely think of a bad song

Gokul

Yep, the music supervisor for all of them TVD, TO and Legacies is Christofer T. Mollere, a genius. He has used 1218 songs only for this show. His knowledge of what is around musically is astonishing.

Patpet

Gokul...One thing i agree with is that i too think ripper Stefan and normal Stefan are sort of not the same people.

safae mokadem

I agree with season 5 being the worst out of all the other seasons but I gotta agree with Muhammad , the last about 5 episodes are really good

Jasmine Reigns

@Patpet..1) When stefan turned and killed his his family, that was totally justified, because they killed him first, and every single newbie vampire kills, so thats a clear pass for everyone 2) In the 20s, stefan was "Ripper stefan" which I have already mentioned. 3)when he was with klaus, he had given alliegence to klaus, Again, he WASNT in control.. and was also in a sort of ripper form All the examples you gave wouldn't be considered stefan killing people by his own will..except for maybe his parents..but I feel newbie vamps always should get a pass for killing lol..especially because thier emotions are heightened, and they dont know how to control it

Gokul

Patpet one thing i want to point out. I’m pretty sure Stefan turned his emotions off when hé turned to a vampire from all the guilt he felt from killing his father and making Damon turn. He turned his emotions off unknowingly when Damon left him. Unaware that he turned it off since he was a new vamp he lost control of his blood lust and went on a killing spree until he met lexi.

safae mokadem

Sorry to disagree because Stefan excuse is always "blood lust" or he wasn't himself. First of all Stefan at the begging of his vampire state went on a revenge kill of all the Founders family and indulged in his vampire blood lust, and he was very much in control, as he was in the 20s', he has a full list of manes on the wall of his house in Chicago to prove how much in control he is, asking for the name of the victims he has intention to kill, there is full premeditation and that is how a serial killer act, that is control. NO doubt about it. When he went with Klaus and left bodies torn to pieces all across the south as they went around looking for werewolves. Did he had to torn people apart? No, he didn't had his humanity off at all. Sorry but Damon in comparison is a pussy cat.Then let's analyse Stefan blood lust, because when he has his humanity off he seem to be perfectly in control. His blood lust is psychological and he never address it, just repress it, going around like ticking bomb ready to explode when he get himself in situations. He knows that but he always blamed everybody else and never faced reality and not only he even wanted Elena to get on a bunny diet, knowing how dangerous it is. The problem with Stefan is that he is never called accountable for all the things he does , (like treating Elena on the bridge, or stripping Jeremy of his humanity, killing Andy and so many more things he will do... and all the above things I mention before) or so it appear he is an angel with problems that are not his fault and Damon appear the bad one because every time Damon does something bad he has to have an entire season of having to work his way back in everybody's grace. Nop, sorry no excuses Stefan in the killing department is the worse. Than he has many other qualities along side we love, But don't take that very bad part of him away because you would do an injustice to the complexity of Stefan character , that is interesting because he is the real Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide, and if you take that away Stefan would be as boring as hell.

Patpet

Caroline, I won't say that she did anything wrong because she was single and I personally don't think it is anyone's business or place to judge someone for who they love or sleep with. Yes, Klaus has done horrible things to people she is close with but in that moment it was only about her. But then again I felt like Klaus came back to hurt Tyler the most because it is not possible that he came back the same day is just a mere coincidence. I totally understand Tyler being hurt and upset because he has all the right reasons but I do not approve of him shaming her. He wasn't going to hurt her but just needed her to leave him alone without trying to give any explanations because it won't make any difference to him rightfully so. Stefan standing up for Caroline was very sweet as a friend. I really like the bond between both of them because they understand each other and do not judge one another which is something they both need too. As friends they have had a great journey so far. But from this scenario I was reminded of the episode in Season 4 when Rebekah compelled Elena to tell everyone the truth about her feelings for Damon. Back then both Caroline and Stefan were shaming Elena for sleeping with Damon and going after what she really wanted and that was very wrong. They had no right to judge her it because did break up with Stefan and both knew about Elena's attraction and feelings for Damon long before Elena even admitted so it was just no fair. Now Caroline was in the same position today. Katherine did her dirty and no she isn't a horrible person but I do wish that she now starts to reflect and understand that you cannot judge people as easily as she normally does.

Archna

This episode is full of anxiety and I could totally understand your state Sofie. Like you said this is not something one can enjoy because after last episode we just got played by Katherine but the writers have done a brilliant job by making us feel the betrayal that people like Damon have felt in the past and it's terrible. For me it's kind of actually living through the past of how Katherine plays with people like toys. If you think about her past, yes one can feel bad but when you witness who she is and how she chooses to live, I really cannot care any less because at the end of day Katherine could have friends and people to love her and care for her but she doesn't really appreciate any of it so it's not worthy of her. I seriously feel bad for Salvatore brothers because once again they're being used as toys for Katherine Pierce's entertainment. I hate how she says that Stefan is her one true love but from her actions it is crystal clear about she doesn't care about his feelings. Only plays with his mind as she did in the past and again is going to create the distance between the brothers. Damon and the breakup scene is heartbreaking. He was finally coming around to realise that he cannot change Elena and he was actually holding on the hope. But Katherine had to end it by crushing him again and this time as Elena. I know it's a smart move because she won't be able to fool around for long as Elena so she ties up the lose ends. But it was the last nail in the coffin for Damon in this moment. The one person who always saw through him and believed that he wasn't the monster he was pretending to be around others has just looked him in the eye and told him that he is the monster. Now, it was more like after everything if that is the outcome then he is just over it. Plus Enzo being back is a constant reminder about his guilt. It's no longer about his revenge but Enzo's revenge so he is going to be there for him as the friend who failed him earlier. And even I have missed this bad boy side of Damon for a long time now. I enjoy watching him like and his ripper face is sexy!!

Archna

I, like many, agree that Damon at the end of the episode is just incredible. I know a lot of people miss Damon from the first season. And this music. Ugh... I get goosebumps. What Katherine did to Damon broke not only Damon's heart, but mine as well. It was cruel. She has always played with the brothers and continues to do so now. But she was right about something, Damon very often lashed out when he and Elena had an argument or something. He doesn't have to be "good" just for Elena's sake and turn into a monster when they break up. The problem is that Damon believes that he can't be loved for who he is, and he does his best to make himself worse by pushing people away from him. Yes, Elena certainly brings something good to his life, she makes him feel loved and needed. But maybe first Damon needs to understand himself, love himself, and stop pushing people away.

Mariya

Exactly!

Gokul

True.

Andrea Dcosta

Oh, I also hate this technique, when instead of talking or saying just one word, the characters drags this out, resulting in a bunch of problems that they will solve for several more seasons (I exaggerate this a little, of course, but it also happens).

Mariya

Caroline and Stefan are adorable 🥰 and I agree with u Damon killing Aaron was kinda cool and with the music it looked more badass looks like the S1 Damon is back and Enzo has his friend back lol. They are a deadly pair no doubt. But poor Aaron he didn’t deserve this at all and he was actually going to apologise to Elena that makes me feel more bad for him and I don’t condone with Damon killing Aaron no matter what yes he is mostly here trying to prove to elena that he is and will always be a monster he always does that makes others point right by making himself more bad and showing them yes I’m a monster and I won’t change considering all this still killing Aaron was wrong and Enzo had a huge part to play in this as well. As much as I like to see Damon like this I love him as what his character had become all these seasons it’s just sad 😞 The Delena breakup was so sad though it wasn’t elena I wish she would hear what Damon tells Katherine here that was so sweet. I swear when elena was running I was hyper like you she just had to speak to him like only 1 sentence and she rather hugs him that was so frustrating and stupid.

Andrea Dcosta

I agree with you they both killed because different circumstances and I like Damons character but people are always tryna to defend him for making terrible decision but when Stefan or other characters does something similar they hate that alone and stuff that happens in the rest of the seasons is what made me like Stefan more than Damon

iiSauce 2much

Season 5 of Tvd is one of the worst of the series I agree. But I would say some episodes from here on are really good. Like 5x17 and from 5x20 to the end of Season 5 those episodes are really good too.

Muhammad Hassan

Doesn’t it? I love the music at that part it goes so well and yes TVD has great music 🎶

Andrea Dcosta

The score in vampire diaries is probably the best in any show...especially the one at the very end when Damon kills Aaron, the music makes it 10x better

Gokul

This is kinda off topic but I feel its important to say because I recently saw people arguing about this:- There is a difference between stefan killing people, and Damon killing people, Whenever I see comments regarding stefan's and damon's behavior (Recently in kop's comment) I always see people writing "Oh But Stefan killed people too" I dont think damon willfully killing people, and stefan doing it while being controlled by blood is the same thing Its a false comparison Stefan has actually never killed anyone, only Ripper Stefan has killed masses...and its time that people realise that "Stefan" and "Ripper stefan" are not the same people I think we all could acknowledge the fact that damon killed people because he wanted to and Stefan has never wanted any of his victims to die...You will see Damon killing people when he is sad,or is having a bad day...NOT the case with stefan(He did kill Andy,but it was an exception, klaus pretty much got into his head at that point, he WASNT himself) P.s :- Also I dont want someone to call me a damon hater, ive had that said to me quite a few times now (Especially by one specific person)... ive made it fairly clear that damon as a character is far superior than stefan to me.

Gokul

Sofie you are so right. As usual you get Damon so well. He has been fighting with bad reputation since he was human and no matter what he does, people end up always telling him how bad he is. Deep down, he knows that he is not and he feel all the unfairness of it. Elena was the only person in his life that got him, that understood him, that knew that there is a good person behind a much troubled life that surrounded him with darkness. And now even “Elena” tells him that she doesn’t want him because who he is, a monster. So he bites back. “You want a monster I give you one”. As I said the taking over of Elena body from Katherine is actually very good writing, we get to experience as viewers what manipulation is, how it does feels. Katherine is a survivor but she is not a nice person and she is selfish, she is the monument to selfishness, with some few moments in which she allow herself to some degree of normal benevolence. She doesn’t care about anybody but herself and cannot care less about crushing anybody else life. She has no friends and no love but out of choice, because she prefers power and control more than anything else. There is no arc of redemption for Katherine because she is perfectly happy the way she is.

Patpet

It hurts me to say this because i enjoyed this season thus far A LOT MORE than I remember ever liking in, but we're getting to the later half of season 5 which frankly has the stuff i'm the least interested in, and to be honest is really sort of a mess and all over the place...It's what makes season 5 the worst season of TVD for me--And as mentioned I reiterate that to ruin Katherin's redemption is not only sad but totally useless for what they are going to end up doing with her character......Sophie, The Ship name is Steroline, live it up lmao

Lucas