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Movie Mindset 33 - Casino feat. Felix

When you love movies, you’ve got to watch them. There’s no other way…Movie Mindset Season 3 commences with our first ever single feature on the most referenced movie in Chapo Trap House history: Martin Scorsese’s masterpiece Casino. Will and Hesse are joined by Felix to take a kaleidoscopic and dizzying dive into the inferno of American greed that is Las Vegas. Anchored by a triumvirate of all career great performances from Robert De Niro, Sharon Stone and Joe Pesci in FULL PSYCHO MODE, Casino is by equal turns hilarious and stomach turning and stands alone as Scorsese’s grandest and most generous examination of evil and the tragic flaws that doom us all. 

Should you listen even if you haven’t seen this movie?

Why take a chance? At least that the way we feel about it.

Movie Mindset 33 - Casino feat. Felix

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Max Fennig

I love everything about this movie except it being 3 hours long. I just don’t think I’m cut out for a movie over 2.5 hours. Man does this episode remind of so many gags in this movie, will is right when he says not a second is wasted

Strawberry Horse

I had a hankering for this for a while and it was great! The girlfriend hated it though lol

Joe Hillside

I think you gotta meet a triple Gemini in real life they’re the exact opposite of Sam Rothstein lmao

Hesse Deni

I watched Trainspotting with my mom when I was 12 because she had a crush of Ewan McGregor

Chapo Bath House

“Honestly I need to talk about this movie with somebody” in my family that film was Apocalypse now, I was probably 12 or 13

Jessie Cherbak

So glad you guys finally did this episode!!

Corey Reynolds

S4E1 better be Inland Empire

Teriyaki sticks

Are we just going to brush over the fact that Sam Rothstein’s character is entirely explained by his ♊️☀️♊️🌙 ♊️⬆️

Galen

I always thought the desert scene was a great parallel for the U.S.-Israel relationship.

Girth Brooks

I haven't seen or really heard of this movie at all outside of little bits from the show, I was sole at the description of that assassination scene though so I'll come back to this episode after I see it

Dustin Nelson

When are y’all gonna do Atom Egoyan’s “The Sweet Hereafter”?

Patrick M.

Good stuff, I've seen Casino more times than I can count and it never gets old. This old doc is a great companion piece for it. I grew up in Vegas and remember when this originally aired. It has some great footage of when Lefty (Ace) went off on Harry Reid at the licensing hearing. Spilatro's (Nicky's) lawyer went on to become the Mayor and also played himself in the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWtgb3lsYiw

RMC

Good stuff, I've seen Casino more times than I can count and it never gets old. This old doc is a great companion piece for it. I grew up in Vegas and remember when this originally aired. It has some great footage of when Lefty (Ace) went off on Harry Reid at the licensing hearing. Spilatro's (Nicky's) lawyer went on to become the Mayor and also played himself in the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWtgb3lsYiw

Ryan Chism

Playing stud roulette

Horse Badorties

The cheapest nurse in America

Horse Badorties

Twice!

Ernest Ambrus

Disclaimer: of course it would be nice if Matt were on, but it's still a perfect episode. The Starship Troopers video on YouTube is what got me into Chapo, and this episode gives me the exact same feeling. Someone needs to make a video of this episode with scenes from the movie.

Tommy

Perfect episode

Tommy

I had never seen this before and it ruined my life thank you

Lizard

The Middle class: this is all the explanation you need to understand why the "culture war" got exported to South America.

Khemith

I wish movie mindset was all year round but I understand that makes it sweeter when it happens

Lillie Connell

No, will check in out. Going to Leave my recommendation for The Cooler here. William h Macy playa the titular cooler (casino hires him b/c he has contagious bad luck)

Degrassi Knoll

I was relistening to this and I realized you guys forgot to mention the incredible joke early on in the movie, wherein Pesci, while narrating says "Even back home years ago" and the words "back home years ago" flash on the screen. My favorite joke in the movie, and maybe in ANY movie.

Gordon Schmidt

Has anyone seen American Hustle? It’s David O. Russel doing a baggy & shapeless tribute to Casino.

Erik Weissengruber

cannot explain in words how much better this makes the already amazing experience of watching Casino. there was so many great observations I never even noticed. Felix’s point about Artie Piscano’s step brother telling him he can’t let the Kansas City bosses make a fool out of him was so good I’m literally in tears. and then when Joe Pesci breaks into the the old woman’s house dressed as a newsboy and shoots her in the head. and Will’s comment about james woods playing himself. and Hesse’s point about Di Niro loving the anarchy of the vegas when he can run a casino without a license and gets awards and country clubs dinners, but at the same time needing to have this like fascist control over every minute detail in his life. so good. I could listen to this a thousand times

Reece Coren

The Apprentice was good.

altpub

speaking of podcast canon movies--will you have the radio war nerds on to talk the evil dead for ghoulvie mindset?

Christopher Price

“In emails you refer to him as ‘Mo’ …”

I.P. Freely

Great episode to the point I had to watch it again and just a testament to how amazing Scorsese is with little details, after Ace’s hyper OCD scene with the blueberry muffins, in the last wide shot you see a tray of the muffins and they are in fact wildly inconsistent. Half of them have way too much blueberries and some barely have any. Brilliant stuff. It’s Ace being super neurotic AND valid.

Robert Calcagno

Recently watched the act of killing, horrific movie which follows a gang of Indonesian guys who were part of the front lines of genocide. They absolutely love gangster flicks like this, made it part of the official state rhetoric how gangster is not a dirty word

Ksizzle

been waiting on this one for so long 🙏now I can listen to this every time I watch Casino :)

Reece Coren

Calling Hesse “Hessy” is one of the all-time Felix malapropisms

Peter Sullivan

Made? LET you watch 2 classics! 🥳

Degrassi Knoll

Felix 100% spot on with your dad showing you a fucked up movie at 12. He made me watch menace II society and pulp fiction lmaooooo

GnarlyRaeJetson

This was such a delight to listen to! I could have easily listened to another hour or two. A few little things I caught on my Movie Mindset viewing of Casino that I never noticed/thought about before: 1) I've always loved the use of panning in the "Catching the Cheaters" scene to communicate how Ace uses lines of sight to figure out what's going on; however, I never noticed before how when they cut to a super wide shot where the guy with the telegraph strapped to his leg is surrounded by security personnel in anticipation of the cattle prod, they highlight him in golden light to distract you from how completely fucked he is. It's like they at once put you in the "eye in the sky" position but then also deprive you of it by also effectively giving you the cheater's blind spot. Just genius work from Scorsese 2) When Remo croaks at Andy Stone that whatever position Ace gets put in next *has* to be *quiet*, the soundtrack then immediately introduces us to "Aces High" with strains of "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" 3) After Nicky terrorizes the banker Charlie Clark, Ace tells him he's lost control and Nicky retorts "I lost control? Look at you! You're fuckin walkin around like John Barrymore! A fuckin pink robe and a fuckin cigarette holder? *I* lost control?!" lol

Matthew

The end of The Irishman is by far the most bleak because it will be the real end for many of us, shitting ourselves when all of our friends are dead and telling our life stories to a nurse who isn't listening and doesn't care because we're just a nuisance from a dead era that shits himself and makes her clean it up for $17 an hour.

DS

Banger of a episode. I've been to 2 movies with my father ever in my life in the theater and it was this one as a teenager and home alone. This will always be my Marty masterpiece. I recommend the Pileggi book highly also

Rahman Faridi

Gangs of New York is the paradise to Casino's inferno

Jake Zydek

I’ve been watching this movie since 1997 when I bought it in VHS. It came on two tapes. I’ve seen this movie like 50 times. I think it’s possibly better than Goodfellas. I wish Scorsese had won his Best Director Oscar for this movie. This is only the 3rd time I’ve seen it in HD and it’s crazy the details I’ve never noticed before. The jewelry and costumes especially. On that note, how the fuck was this movie NOT nominated for a Costume Design Oscar??

Luke B

Wasn’t he literally a boxer? (And also a shrewd politician)

Breakaway

Idk some fail uncle

Boxcar Neil

This was the first R rated movie I ever saw in the theater. There was a period of time where I watched it every day when I got home from school and I could recite the entire script from memory. A true masterpiece.

ZeeBee

This pilgrim needs Mann(hunter)

Anthony koz

I tried to watch this movie so I could relate to this episode but it's so fucking boring. I just don't get it.

drunk cig

The point about fathers fighting the urge to watch fucked up action/crime movies with their kids is hilarious and way too real, the entire scene of Emil melting and then exploding against a van windshield in Robocop has been burned into my mind's eye since the age of 7.

TV's Gerry

The las vegas of the levant

S.E. Nyarady

Absolutely nothing better you could do as a father. Saw it at the same age with my dad and gonna do the same when my son is that age.

Matthew Dunn

Best friend in high school got me to watch Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, & Casino all in a row and Casino was maybe the most rotten and disgusting I've ever felt after watching a movie. My parents like later Scorcese but hate all these movies lol bc (in addition to being really nasty) in their critique there's not any character development; but to me that was clearly the point, and what makes all his movies so interesting is they're I think more interested in people as they actually are & their impediments, rather than necessitating development for sake of a cleaner narrative

S.E. Nyarady

It is such an incredible movie - loved the point made that while the Tangiers was keeping that businessman there long enough to lose his money back, at the same time capitalism doing the same thing to these mobbed backed casinos.

Steve D

"Lester Diamond" probably the most perfect naming of a character ever.

Bryan Williams

YES The Irishman is a masterpiece. I often think of the scene towards the end, with Frank and the priest, where he can't even fake remorse or self-examination of any kind, and he's just muttering like "well, the fact that, you know, it's the sentiment, that counts for something, right?" His soul is too withered away to even pretend to ring the last-minute Jesus alarm bell. Contrast that with the scene in Silence, where Rodrigues finally steps on the icon even though it causes him exquisite spiritual pain - a complete inversion of the Frank/priest scene. One man can't even lie to himself that a spiritual breakthrough would be a smart idea (but he wants the kudos all the same? for some reason?), another man who avoids betraying his faith to an oppressor until he has no other choice. Frank survives everything, but defeated in every way; Rodrigues eventually passes on, secretly victorious. Anyway, just some things that go through my head sometimes.

Rohmer Simpson

This was fantastic, what a great conversation. I love the disussion of Sharon Stone's performance, it's heartbreaking. That part near the end where she's begging the officers who stop her, saying "I was trying to get away," god it's so good. I re-watched this one for the first time in ten years and that Pesci end-point made me sick, like damn, that is sensitzing violence if I've ever seen it. The end point y'all talk about, that there is something so bleak about the idea of surviving this and having no consequences and learning nothing, that makes me think of The Irishman, which I know a lot of people don't like, but I think it's a masterpiece, even with all the de-aging weirdness (which I don't mind - it fits somehow). The end of that felt like an extension of this idea - what if you are a sociopath and you just end up living, outliving everyone, and the world is moving on, and there is nothing left of what you've done - even the one thing he seems to regret means nothing. They don't even remember Hoffa. In this character's limited ability to feel, he doesn't even get the consequence of people remembering the person he betrayed. Looking forward to the next one.

Letty

godsend. movie mindset is more needed than news watching to me right now

Eon Gattignolo

We never got to hear Pesci’s EP!

Scott Grabel

Wait, Felix who?

Budget Hireling

Followed by Videodrome

Tim O'

The Sound of Music also has this feature. First tape ends with So Long, Farewell. Pop in the second tape and boom, Nazis.

Tim O'

“Theme de Camille” is from Godard’s CONTEMPT, another great movie about fucked-up relationships hitting a wall at full speed.

demonsweat

agree. this movie is part of my consciousness and hesse/chapo basically tell us why all of these scenes stuck in our heads. the rewatch and this pod were great. i deffo think don rickles improv'd everything now whereas before i just thought "this guy must manage every casino bc he is so natural at it".

wailing ken jennings

Ace Rothstien is currently doing a podcast defending the state of Israel.

Veselekov

It’s interesting to hear yall talk about a movie I’ve watched so many times and love. This was excellent.

Chris Hildreth

My brother and I rented Natural Born Killers when he was like 10, we just had to call home to ask my dad on the video store's telephone.

Boaz Corey

$50 for the lap dance sounds pretty steep, but you throw in a lunch buffet? Now we’re talking.

Rohmer Simpson

Re: the modern mob, in Kansas City specifically – they hang out at The Cigar Box next to this strip club they also own ($50 lunch buffet + lapdance special), and when girls age out of Temptations, they get jobs at The Cigar Box https://shorturl.at/h8n40

Michael S. Judge

As far back as I can remember, I always wanted a Scorsese Movie Mindset episode. (Well I guess we already got After Hours)

Eamon Short

My favorite thing about Casino is it gives you the thesis in the first thirty minutes. When Nicky is describing the Teamster mook, he says “He thought they gave him all this fucking money ‘cuz he was so smart.” That describes every character in the movie, they think they’re where they are because they’re special, not just blind luck determining their fate.

Robert Bratley

A double vhs tape rental - a beautiful episode

Cameron Young

i just watched fredrick wiseman's the store last night. casino and this share a specific insight into the temple of the devil as hesse says

Joe

Joe Pesci for President, so he can give his “you only exist out here because of me” speech to Netanyahu.

Dee Rubes

I need a pair of De Niro’s boomer sunglasses 😎

I.P. Freely

I love Felix’s laugh. Sounds like Bart Simpson’s. The sound of wholesome mischief

I.P. Freely

He seems genuinely happy and thriving recently. Must have met a brunette who is mean to him in the right way, which from what I gather is his type. (Also my type)

Justin

Wonderful episode! Felix seems so pumped for the show.

Jim McKenna

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Felix sound this mirthful, it feels beautiful to hear him laugh this hard and get this excited

Justice Hainsworth

https://www.patreon.com/posts/64987555?utm_campaign=postshare_fan

I haven’t listened to this all the way through so maybe they mentioned this but I hope people know these characters are based on actual real people and some of the weird shit like counting “blueberries” in muffins are actually what these real people were like.

love the story of Scorsese showing the movie, w/eyeball pop, to Spike Lee, and both of them just howling and cackling at that moment

Rohmer Simpson

well done!

EXN

Watched it the other day in prep! Stoked!

Cody S

Just realized a weird connection between Ace's horse statue stuff and Pontius Pilate's horse in "Last Temptation." There's something there, none of my business though

Jack

No Country or Fargo please.

Gary LaRocca

I can't believe you didn't mention the legend about the vise scene. One trick they do in Hollywood is sometimes they'll include a "sacrificial scene" in the cut they send to the MPAA. They know the content in this scene is too extreme, and they're confident the MPAA will cut it- they do this so that the board will be less likely to cut other scenes in the movie. Apparently, the vise scene was included for this purpose. For all the sex, drugs, and extreme violence in Casino, you can see why they would do this. However, every once in a while the MPAA will, for whatever reason, leave a "sacrificial scene" in the theatrical cut- and apparently the vise torture scene in Casino is one case of this happening. On another note, I recently saw Showgirls for the first time in the theater. Although Casino is obviously a much better film, it's interesting to compare the two, as they're both 90s Vegas epics from great filmmakers. I know a lot of people love Showgirls, and a lot of people hated it when it came out. I'm sort of in the middle- I thought it was pretty good, a 3 and a half star where Casino is an easy 5 stars. It was entertaining and I liked a lot about it, but it just left me cold in a way Casino never does.

Gordon Schmidt

Ever since I saw Casino as a kid, I have wanted Ace Rothstein's suits. It's the greatest movie ever.

Jeffrey Epstein's Assassin

The way Will puts it, a portrait of conversations somewhat detached from the story... riding a coke high... Casino is the spiritual grandfather of Baz Luhrmann movies.

Braden Maccke

I’m guilty of watching T2 with my son last year, when he was 7.. this is just good parenting

Anthony koz

The one thing Titanic and Casino have in common is you know once you pop in that second VHS tape, shit is fucked

Jes Cross

I won $130 in Vegas on my first 🎰 and I'm positive it was because I watched Casino and listened to the Trueanon Mandalay Bay EP on the plane.

Swimaroo

I respect Felix for choosing to watch Casino over possibly having sex. Absolute fucking Autistic Chad move.

Andy Kraushaar

One incredible detail that I only noticed when watching the 4K release: in the wide shot that ends the Ace/chef scene, if you look in the background you see a tray of blueberry muffins and sure enough, half of them have all the blueberries and the other half have none. Ace vindicated!

Rohmer Simpson

In Sam’s mind if HE had met Ginger when she was 14 he would have groomed her into prostitution in a much classier way.

Sean Enright

Gonna have to rewatch casino mainly for the joe bob cameo

Bilbro T. Baggins

You know what film won the Oscars for costumes and production design that year? Restoration. What’s Restoration? No one knows. No one has ever seen it.

Rohmer Simpson

Yes!

Margaret

I wasn't alive or don't remember it when it happened but at some point all the Italians in nevada just magically left, like the Lorax. Leaving all their cars and hotels and restaurants to peel and rust in the desert sun. Also Harry Reid was a genuine piece of desert trash. I always hated him but apparently he could scrap

justDave

James Woods' most autobiographical work.

Evan Pitkin

I want an equal amount of rolled oats in each cookie. I don’t care how long it takes.

Paul F. Holzfäller

Was it a performance or just james woods being himself?

V

He stabbed a guy with a pen in Casino too? I remember the one in Goodfellas but forgot about the one in Casino

V

Joe Pesci tuning people up in this movie is so satisfying to watch. Bashing Don Rickles with a phone, slapping the shit out of Sharon Stone, smacking around one of his hick henchman for mouthing off to De Niro’s character, stabbing that guy at the beginning of the film with a pen. I dunno maybe I’m a little too much of a sadist when it comes to this movie.

Paul F. Holzfäller

Not trying to be annoying but they literally put that list out for this season a few weeks ago…

Dec

Or when watching something so well made when it reaches those moments of artistic crescendo where everything starts rushing together (story built to that moment, music, editing, performance, dialogue) and you realize just how good it is and just how in command of their craft they are - I get a exhilarating rush of emotion that swells and when it peaks I often choke up or cry a little bit because it says "we (humans) are capable of this."

Mr. Freebus

Will's voice breaking when talking about the only form of love Ginger's ever known... 🥺 This is actually a trigger that makes ME get choked up -moments that encapsulate what art and music can do to effect us, change us, stay with us for years and years and that it's something human beings are even capable of in the first place.

Mr. Freebus

Yeah with your dad with the remote at the ready and muting/fast forwarding through all the “bad” parts.

Paul F. Holzfäller

BRAV-FUCKING-O

SlowTrickle

James Woods as Lester is one of the best scumbag performances of all time.

Nixper

Begging for a movie mindset to watch list to prepare for the future eps

Oscar Salmon

🗜️CHARLIE M!!!!🗜️ cream’s “Toad” during that scene is my fav Scorsese-Robbie song drop

Voodoo Glow Skulls

A tour de force of an episode

EnKaff

Saw this movie for the first time at the Esquire theater in Denver. RIP ESQUIRE THEATER.

shoulderbark

Once again I am asking the Chapos to remember the 99% and cover a movie for the people: Shrek

Smooth Shrek

Want to put in a word for the Casino miniseries on the Ghost Stories for the End of the World pod, which really only uses the film as a jumping-off point to illustrate some of the real-life events and principal characters, eventually spreading a wider web of connections that touches the deep state's relationship with organized crime, Poppy Bush, Adnan Khashoggi, the BCCI, etc etc.

Rohmer Simpson

“What gun? It’s a fuckin’ gyro sandwich”

Steven Frick

I sure hope that’s her actual nickname and not Felix saying it wrong 😅

Kelley

"There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, in fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing."

Simon Maraya

Great movie. Watched it over Easter weekend with my dad, def a movie he had playing on in the background when I was kid, quite a few scenes felt familiar. I owe my movie mindset to my dad, he let me watch Alien, The Thing, Terminator 2, probably way too young, lol. Also I swear DeNiro wears a suit in every color of the rainbow in this movie

Anomalie

Hesse has evolved. Hessie is in control now

David Browm

Sooooo good

Greg Forsyth

Also watched Casino with my dad at way too young an age bc he needed someone to talk about it with

Michael

Hesse's Die Hard story is the best dad story I've ever heard

atatrs251

Mindsetting so hard rn

Meowzedong

Oh fuck yeah

Pleasure Pete

What happens when the perfect podcast has been achieved? I hope sincerely that this doesn’t mean that Will, Felix and Hesse end up in a shallow grave.

John Harwood

Every time Felix isn't speaking, the other hosts should ask "Where's Felix?"

Yarblockos

Swooning and gooning

Bert

I do love this movie's depiction of the Kansas City mafia, because it's absolutely still here, but it's mostly 80-year-old men who sit around a table all day at the bar/grill one of them owns, because you're allowed to smoke cigars inside (but not cigarettes)

Michael S. Judge

My favorite show talking about my favorite movie

A person you vaguely know

Lmao my dad did the exact "not till your older" with Deliverance and then I watched it with him when I was like 12 haha

Raymond Brown

Y’all should do a james woods ep

JD

Killer JD! JD Killed someone!

ploob

The interactions of the DeNiro and the Nevada politicians are like Scorsese's answer to Coppola in the beginning of GF 2 where the senator tells Michael that he doesn't like Italians coming out to his 'clean country with their oily hair dressed up in silk suits trying to pass themselves off as decent Americans'

Himbo Slice

Watch it

Mr Tu Damn Quoque

"Where you goin' jagoff" is a phrase that rattles through my head at least once a day

Mr Tu Damn Quoque

hearing you folks talk about your experiences with your parents and movies.. man we all had the same childhood hahahah..

Erik Bourre

Wait so should I watch it first or does it not matter? (I haven’t listened to a movie mindset yet)

Vivek Dandekar

Fuckin hell yeah

The True Horror

That's that kid that made that sick documentary about MMA with Jon Bois, he could really be going places

The True Horror

And they HATE it

V

"Eh, why take a chance" is America 1977-2025

Paul Adam

You’re a fuckin loser

Voodoo Glow Skulls

Finally! I'm so excited for this one. Casino > Godfellas

Laura

Felix who?

Anthony koz

I’m dropping off if Hesse starts summarizing each scene and adds some shit like “yas queen”

Mac

To this day I still describe several of my friends as degenerate gamblers who always lose

V

I remember scanning through mid series episodes of Sopranos trying to find what I remembered as the perfect mob hit ever depicted on screen and not being able to find it. Turns out it was Frank Culotta hitting Andy Stone in the carpark at the beginning of the House of the Rising Sun scene

Mr Tu Damn Quoque

James woods for better or worse just plays himself, often best villains come from that honest place. .3.

Justin Racine

I’m listening to this while making a giant batch of blueberry granola cookies for the bakery I am employed by…I think about the equal amount of blueberries line every time

Here, Try This

CASINO is a movie about defective people who live in a fake place, and who torture and kill each other over shit that only matters in that fake place, and as such, it's probably America's Movie™

Michael S. Judge

my favorite host Hessie

bruce

Correct.

Jason Chapa

Finally

Jeremy Eisenberg

Casino is better than goodfellas and it’s not even close never been more hyped for an ep

EvilCorgi

I just realised now. Casino is LONGER than Goodfellas but feels a lot shorter.

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

The vice grip scene lives in my head forever. So brutal but so good.

The Wonderful Secret

The kids question isn’t stupid because the guy has 8 kids. That really is out of the ordinary.

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

It’s the all new Will Menaker show

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

It's such a little thing but the way Marty shoots the car driving across the desert reflected in DeNiro's old man sunglasses is incredible

Flesh Colored Subaru

I just punched a hole through a sheet of drywall let’s fucking go

Nolan

My trough runneth over 🐷

Matthew

Fuck yeah

Mr Tu Damn Quoque

Putting my head in a vice to listen to this one (over the head earphones)

JD Nonce

Featuring Felix? Who's this young go-getter? I'll have to tune in to find out

Russell Hall

Let’s goooooo

Brad Hall


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