RWBY V8:E6 (UPDATED)
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The song is Awake, but the episode is Midnight. Hope this clears it up!
Beatonen
2024-09-15 22:05:18 +0000 UTCYeah, I mentioned in my post last week that Rhodes' behavior was questionable in terms of how he handled Cinder's abuse. I'm just not clear on what the "laws" of Atlas were regarding Cinder getting adopted/bought just to be (essentially) enslaved, and what options Rhodes had to bring justice to that situation. It is clear he did care about Cinder, but it was foolhardy to train an abused person to become a living weapon as the solution. Did he have options, or did he just take a half-measure when a full-measure was warranted?
Jennywocky
2024-08-17 18:56:22 +0000 UTC& so far, it's only been 1 day! ๐คฃ๐ what more could wrong in another day?!
Chibi_Witch888
2024-08-12 20:00:56 +0000 UTCThanks! ๐
Bethany and Ken
2024-08-12 15:35:40 +0000 UTCDon't think that has been mentioned about the titles. We have been told that this takes place over 2 days though need the reminder because it's so easy to forget that with how much happens in those two days ๐
Bethany and Ken
2024-08-12 15:35:30 +0000 UTCWe like her slightly better than Adam. Which it's going to be really hard for anyone to pass Adam in our hate rankings ๐
Bethany and Ken
2024-08-12 15:32:35 +0000 UTCvery good point about Rhodes. Didn't even really think about it that way. Not sure why. Just guessed he helped in the only way he could. Not sure the legality of what was at his disposal or ramifications of his actions should he have tried to break her out or something. ๐ค
Bethany and Ken
2024-08-12 15:31:41 +0000 UTCGood to say: During Cinder fight played song "Midnight" by Ok Goodnight - that's Casey's band so u can add this to soundtrack reaction
Moonas
2024-08-12 13:33:34 +0000 UTCYay for the fix! Not sure if it's been mentioned but the titles of the episodes this volume are purposely singular words until the last episode. This one being "Midnight" obviously points to Cinder's inspiration being Cinderella. But this volume takes place over 48hrs, it's the second day now. We all cannot wait for Cinder's downfall, she seemed so interesting to just fall flat once we encounter the other villains. She's nothing compared to them, as she's always had to prove herself otherwise.
Chibi_Witch888
2024-08-12 07:55:50 +0000 UTCmost people will watch cinders back story and say like "why would that redeem her for me" but I feel you understood its purpose so much more. its not suppose to redeem cinder its suppose to explain her hence why even immediately after they highlight her being mean to those that truly care about her. Cinder defines what makes you a villain in the eyes of this show if we look at Monty Oum's look on life and how he said to always move forward to keep learning etc. we see that our hero's do that they learn they change they progress our villains don't both the heroes and villain have gone through hardship our heroes have tried to prevent said hardship from spreading to others and move towards the future our villains merely want revenge for there hardships cinder could have held on and made her life better admittedly it would be tough but she could have she didn't have the strength to hold on long enough yang is often refer to being the embodiment of strength and we see as she reacts to raven that ravens view on strength is wrong as yang says she's powerful not strong strong isn't about winning the fight its about holding on for your chance when your losing said fight cinder if not the most powerful in the show is powerful but she keeps looking for power thinking that's all she needs but its not her power that makes her constantly lose her fights is her lack of strength her inability to cope with loss and come back that's why she's a villain so no she's irredeemable she's tragic and she is absolutely the villain
SK- Eferthigra
2024-08-12 00:21:10 +0000 UTCWhile Bethany is correct that if Oscar and Ozpin switch places, Oscar's body would still take the damage. However Ozpin is capable of generating a defensive aura, and it would still protect Oscar for at least a little while. As for Cinder, even though they gave her a emotionally traumatic backstory. I still have no sympathy for her, while it does explain why she is the way she is. I don't feel sorry for her, she basically has the same mentality as Adam. She thinks that just because she has suffered, the correct action is to just kill everyone to prove she isn't weak anymore. My favorite part of of the episode is the music they play when Salem is in screen. It's haunting and it definitely reminds me of something from a Devil May Cry game.
Bryan Forquer
2024-08-11 23:56:34 +0000 UTCI'd argue Cinder is THE antagonist. She's the Ruby of the villains (with Salem and Oz as the top dogs of their sides but not the main characters) it's literally Ruby Rose and Cinder Fall. Rise and Fall/Rose and Fell. V8 puts Cinder back into a lovely spotlight, and it's when I properly fell in love with her as a character.
Lucifer_Crowe
2024-08-11 23:00:11 +0000 UTCI feel the same about Rhodes too, even if he did try to help. Cinder saved herself as best she could in his absence and he made it clear to her that her only path to freedom was through him. I don't think he blames her for choosing herself as he dies, it's more that he stuck to his own morals/beliefs in the moment. He has a super cool semblance and design though, and I like that he has random extra weapons outside of the Maces
Lucifer_Crowe
2024-08-11 22:58:31 +0000 UTCIn a perfect world imo you'd include the scenes of Cinder pre-adoption (presumably in Mistral) somewhere in V4-6 as she gets her confidence back. And keep the stuff with the Madame around here. It'd give her a nice parallel with characters like Ren and Nora, and show her always looking back when she fails etc
Lucifer_Crowe
2024-08-11 22:56:55 +0000 UTCV4/5 is hardly the beginning. As I pointed out, we know more about Watts, Neo, Tyrian, Emerald, Hazel, Salem, and Mercury than we do about Cinder.
DevilJynx
2024-08-11 22:07:13 +0000 UTCBeing a big antagonist doesnt mean we have to get to the bottom of this characters right at the beginning. Especially since it felt not essential to the story until Atlas was introduced. Personally, I'm glad they waited with Cinders backstory, because they were clearly building up her character again after her defeat in Volume 5. As for her motives ... I think its fairly easy if you pay attention. She was treated as literal garbage since the beginning by people wth high authority. After being mistreated and tortured by those people for so long, it makes sense why you might want a taste of superiority as well, especially after your option of becoming a huntress got thrown out of the window. Being on top and not feeling like a bottomfeeder is essentially Cinder's idea of a happy life, hence why she also does not oppenly admit that she serves someone like Salem. Harriet is coping with anger, hence why she is so aggressive and infuriating.
Dragon Huntress
2024-08-11 18:18:59 +0000 UTCAsking for it in V4 or V5 is not asking for it early, also she's the second biggest antagonist and we don't know hardly anything about her; hell we know more about every other antagonist than we do her. Even with this backstory, it still does not shed light on why she is so power hungry. Elm and Vine have both made it clear they're frustrated with the situation as they both do genuinely like RWBY and co. the fight in V7E12 made that clear since they were fighting themselves about as much as they were fighting RWBY. Harriet however... She sucks lol. You're also spot on about Elm pointing out that even working with Watts was stupid.
DevilJynx
2024-08-11 17:52:20 +0000 UTCDamn the stepmother really treated Cinder like a dog. Throwing the bread on the ground and putting a shock collar on her. I think Cinder only ate leftovers to survive. I love that the bell struck at 12 as soon as the huntsman walked into room where he found Cinder killing her step family. I agree too. I didn't really felt bad for Cinder's backstory even though so had a bad experience growing up. It was already too late when she killed Pyrhha. Also Harriet STFU and listen for once LOL ๐ Can't wait to see you react to episode 8 that's my favorite episode.
Joaquin Benally
2024-08-11 17:28:50 +0000 UTCY'all are very sympathetic towards Rhodes lol (the guy who was training young Cinder). Despite recognizing that Cinder was being mistreated, he was apparently content to leave her in servitude and torture for 7 years. Rather than trying to get the 10 year old girl out of that situation, he taught her how to use deadly weapons and then attacked her when she used that training on her captors. Cinder didn't take it on herself to do anything to the evil stepmom and stepsisters; they found out she had a weapon and went to her "safe space" to confront her. Considering how quickly Cinder's fight with Rhodes went, the 20 minutes before he showed up and heard a scream probably weren't violent. Rhodes was like Harriet or Clover--authority and rules are more important than doing the right thing. Just a production note in terms of it feeling out of place to get Cinder's backstory here: it's apparently something the writers had been trying to include for a very long time, at least since volume 5, but it never fit in the time/pace until now. In hindsight, I'm glad it got to wait until volume 8 when the production and writing quality had had time to grow a bit more. It probably would have helped Cinder's story earlier, but it fits thematically better here. Now, the themes are more about choices that people make, the consequences of contingency (like the sliding doors moments...what if Rhodes got back an hour earlier, what if Ruby had told Ironwood about Salem instead of Oscar, what if Penny hadn't been alone against the Ace Ops [literal sliding doors moment], etc.), and what makes a person whom they really are?
Callie Summers
2024-08-11 17:20:08 +0000 UTCI find it interesting how many people wanted Cinder's backstory so early on. I personally feel like Atlas was the best place to show it, especially after that specific line she said to Winter in Volume 7. Not to mention Volume 8 gave us a much better insight to Salem and Cinder's relationship which ultimatively mirrors Cinder's past relationship with her step mother. Also I'm glad that Elm at least adresses the stupidity of trusting Watts, instead of just blindly following Ironwood's judgement (coughs) unlike someone else ...
Dragon Huntress
2024-08-11 17:06:46 +0000 UTCI am glad we have some context to Cinder... She was oppressed as a child and was abused by the woman who purchased her. My problem however, is that this is a backstory we should have gotten in say V4 or V5. Plus we get no real context as to why the "evil step mother" treats Cinder so poorly. Like had she been a vindictive aunt similar to Pentunia towards Harry Potter, like she just hates her because she HAS to care for her, then I could kinda get it. Also we now know Cinder's semblance; she's more or less a walking furnace. She can heat things up to where they bend or break. Which fits given Cinderella, with the glass shoes, Cinder manipulates glass since glass is easy to mold with extreme heat. Also imo: Salem is the main antagonist, but Cinder is the final boss. It's been clear Cinder wants to use Salem just as much if not more than Salem wants to use Cinder. I predict that Salem and Ozpin will both pass along into the afterlife, but Cinder will assume direct control and plan scorched earth. Cinder is irredeemable; she's a psychopath who only cares about herself. Harriet questioning if they can trust Watts had me cackling. Like, no, for any of them to trust Watts is for them to be fools. XD Watts worked under duress, but he was also clearly still on Salem's side. Like what did these mooks expect? In E3, one of the soldiers mentioned that the Grimm were just chilling and not attacking. We now know why Salem held them back. She had her ace in play before anyone was the wiser. Jaune and co. found the Grimm river aka the river Styx, but as Salem put it; "You're too late."
DevilJynx
2024-08-11 15:09:26 +0000 UTC
