Dragon Ball Super 116 Full Reaction
Added 2024-12-10 20:00:08 +0000 UTCFull Watch Along Reaction to Dragon Ball Super Episode 116
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As fun as this fight is, the manga, Gohan took out Kefla in a double ring-out.
Silxvi
2025-01-10 03:11:32 +0000 UTCFor how much they teased it, I really wish we got Super Saiyan 3 Kefla, I first thought she would transform charging up her final volley. Android 35 would've been awesome too
Hayden Morris
2024-12-12 20:52:54 +0000 UTCI remember watching this fight like 7 times straight
Dreamville Paul2x
2024-12-12 02:26:12 +0000 UTCThis episode really shines a spotlight on the English dub for DBS in terms of the screaming, Sean Schemmel really went all out with the close contact Kamehameha. Sadly this is the curtain call for my favourite U6 saiyans Kale and Caulifla in TOP, I hope they come back in to the anime and manga for future releases.
Cynergy
2024-12-11 23:13:35 +0000 UTCFunnily enough, the example you give, that being BoG to RoF, I'd agree with being the only decent example of tying two arcs together, but I think that's only the case because for once the writers knew beforehand that they'd have to be tying those two together, since they were just merely recapping movies; movies that obviously lacked that particular tie-in. I also don't agree with Frieza's brief cameo in the Android saga being "lousy" and "flanderizing" since it does actually serve a purpose in ensuring Cell inherits his cells, a detail to which they call specific attention, citing Cell's ambition largely stemming from Frieza's influence. I also also, don't agree with "this saga has little to do with what came before" since a lot of Vegeta's motivation, especially in the start of the Android saga, is directly a result of the events at the end of the Frieza saga. He loses his motivation for immortality, and instead just merely wants to prove himself as Goku's better by surpassing, a goal that I should mention, is still being carried to this day. Lastly, if you really want to play it by score, when I said "DB" I was referring to the entire original manga. Pilaf goes directly into the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. To be honest all of the Red Ribbon Army saga are all made up of tiny mini-arcs but you have the start, Muscle Tower, General Blue, Tao Pai Pai, and Fortuneteller Baba, all decently different arcs with different settings, and characters for the most part, just with the same overarching protagonist and antagonist. And then you have the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai into King Piccolo, and then into Piccolo Jr. the last of which manages to have a 3 year time jump and yet still manages to be set up quite clearly and conciesely in the arc prior. And I'm one of the people who is quite critical of the fact that King Piccolo just shows up randomly and unceremoniously without any buildup, but you can't deny the fact that the arc very subtilty picks up from right where the previous leaves off. Hell, if you want to even count it, (I wouldn't blame you if you didn't) but even GT manages it with the Black Star Dragon Ball arc into Baby, and then once again with Super 17 into the Shadow Dragons. Look, I love Dragon Ball, and I even love Super, but there's a very clear pattern that most of its arcs seem to end the exact same way with the same scene of everyone celebrating, having a feast at Capsule Corp. Honestly you can look no further than the two Super Manga-exclusive arcs for doing a much better job at being tied together imo.
Shadowpunch13
2024-12-11 21:06:27 +0000 UTCWhat a disingenuous argument imo. Let’s start with the first two arcs of Super. The beginning of the Frieza arc happens immediately at the aftermath of the BoG arc, starting with Vegeta’s reflections on the previous arc trailblazing the events of the next arc. The only true connection in Z is Saiyan saga to Frieza saga. The Android/Cell saga starts out with arbitrary changes to the status quo that are NOT natural extensions of the previous arc. Linking Bulma and Vegeta up was merely as a plot convenience, which came at the cost of Yamcha. Apart from a lousy flanderized Frieza cameo, this saga has little to do with what came before. It made up a new villain, pretended he existed since OG times, and added time travel on top of that to make sure it connects even less to what came before. Your logic applies equally to anything in Z that wasn’t Saiyan Saga -> Frieza saga. In which case, Super does the same thing between its first two arcs. By your logic, it’s a 1 - 1 score.
Hohoho
2024-12-11 20:08:45 +0000 UTC"Lacks a lot of continuity" may have been a poor choice of words but I still stand by the fact that the flow between the arcs is downright nonexistent. You're simply describing the writers, merely reinstating things established in a previous arc as a way to tie them all together. Like, no shit, that introducing the Super Dragon Balls in one arc, and using them in the next, grants a sense of continuity. This is not the same as bridging the gap in the way DBZ did (Cell -> Buu excluded). It'd be like saying, "Look at how connected the arcs of DBZ are, after all, Super Saiyan gets used after the Frieza arc," yeah, why wouldn't it, that doesn't mean Toriyama was taking extra care in establishing a link between arcs, he was merely continuing the story, following the natural turns of events that one would expect. A lot of your examples, like the ToP, hinted at in the Tournament of Destroyers arc, was written the way it was, as a meager hint, to give the writers maximum leverage on how they could develop the story if that was indeed the route they intended to take. Or do you believe the entire ToP was planned out that far in advance? Especially considering Dragon Ball in general was known to kind of fly by the seat of its pants in terms of the story department (e.g. Cell's entire conception and reason for existence). Take it like this: DB (for the most part) uses "therefore" storytelling whereas DBS uses "and then" storytelling. Razitz come to Earth searching for Goku and indirectly discovers the existence of the Dragon Balls, THEREFORE, Vegeta and Nappa are soon to follow, who come to Earth and THEREFORE, Frieza in turn also learns of the Dragon Balls. Another example: Frieza is defeated and nearly killed by Goku, THEREFORE he goes to Earth, seeking revenge only to be cut down by Trunks. With Super it's much more like this: Beerus and Whis show up to find the Super Saiyan God, AND THEN, Frieza is revived and wants revenge but fails, AND THEN Champa arrives and they have a tournament, AND THEN, Trunks arrives from the future which coincides with Zamasu's quest for utopia in the present, etc. The examples you provided are merely weak connective tissue, vaguely tying the arcs together but not providing the story with a cause-and-effect kind of narrative. And unfortunately, I think it's to the story's detriment. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Shadowpunch13
2024-12-11 16:44:34 +0000 UTCThe whole “super lacks continuity between arcs” thing is a nonsensical myth. The Battle of Gods arc introduced gods of destruction and angels. The next arc kept both new characters from the first, boosted Frieza’s strength and introduced Super Saiyan Blue, Ultra Instinct and temporal do-over. The Champa arc introduced how the universe system works, the Super Dragon Balls, and literally *explicitly set up the tournament of power* AND *Zeno’s friendship with Goku*. The Goku Black arc literally makes use of every single thing I mentioned so far (minus Ultra Instinct) and introduces the Zeno Button. It also literally uses Goku’s fight with Hit AND meeting Zuno from the previous arc as Zamasu’s turning point. Z was literally nothing more than patchwork written on the spot week to week. Super actually has clearer foreshadowing - no connective tissue in Z ever came close to how intentional the hint to the ToP was in the Champa arc, which were executed 2 entire years apart.
Hohoho
2024-12-11 08:39:32 +0000 UTCThat was definitely disrespectful and I loved Goku for that 😂
J Sal
2024-12-11 05:58:00 +0000 UTCUltra Instinct has probably the smoothest movements that we've seen so far in the series and they are always entertaining to watch. That dodge at 10:47 was not incredibly smooth, but also felt pretty disrespectful towards Kefla, like he's just showing off at that point in a way, plus that backflip he did before it and was just falling was pretty cool too. The way he eliminated kelfa is also probably the slickest elimination that we've seen so far in the tournament in my opinion.
Akka
2024-12-11 05:05:39 +0000 UTCYup, CRISP-ASS fight, one of the best in the series so far! I agree too, Universe 6 is such a fun universe and their dynamic with the 7th is part of what made Super so entertaining to watch. I know you guys want Toppo to be out, but Ribrianne's gotta go first, she just needs to go ASAP before anyone else at this point
J Sal
2024-12-11 01:46:45 +0000 UTClol
Asuka Yousei 妖精帝國
2024-12-10 21:58:00 +0000 UTCThis was very epic indeed
Asuka Yousei 妖精帝國
2024-12-10 21:57:47 +0000 UTCHell yeah man
JT
2024-12-10 21:42:30 +0000 UTCThis was generational when it came out. Nothing can compare to the raw hype I felt seeing it for the first time
Jaylon Carrington
2024-12-10 21:41:09 +0000 UTCY'know, I have to give credit where it's due to the writers for foreshadowing Ultra Instinct as early Resurrection F. Super lacks a lot of continuity and flow between its arcs so it's nice to see the payoff to something like that. Also hell yeah, that's one of the best finishers any battle has in DB, let alone from a Kamehameha.
Shadowpunch13
2024-12-10 20:56:53 +0000 UTCThis was my favorite fight of the entire series
Bruce Williams
2024-12-10 20:52:00 +0000 UTCNice
REDE
2024-12-10 20:43:58 +0000 UTCAnd poor vegeta, always second best to goku LOL
victoria t
2024-12-10 20:42:06 +0000 UTCYou have to sync it on your own, they don’t include it in the full reactions. Video is only included in the YouTube cuts
victoria t
2024-12-10 20:37:57 +0000 UTCAlso for DND: dbs manga is super behind compared the dbs anime and movies. Latest movie premiered in 2022 when the manga chapters that cover it didn’t come out til 2024. Manga is now indefinitely on break after toriyama’s passing
victoria t
2024-12-10 20:35:07 +0000 UTCAgreed. Was actually gonna talk more about that next ep
JT
2024-12-10 20:33:47 +0000 UTCOne of the best eps of the TOP for sure
victoria t
2024-12-10 20:32:58 +0000 UTCPrefer the anime’s TOP over the manga. Manga also didn’t have cabba reach SS2
victoria t
2024-12-10 20:32:27 +0000 UTC18:04 This shit right here is one of the rawest things Goku’s ever done in a fight. Might give it a dedicated timestamp whenever this eventually makes its way to YT (if I remember). I sure as hell know I couldn’t stop replaying it on premier.
JT
2024-12-10 20:17:39 +0000 UTCCan anyone see the show in thier video? During the reaction
michael
2024-12-10 20:12:52 +0000 UTC11:22 Fun Fact: They turned this bit into a unique grab animation in Sparking Zero whenever UI Goku grabs Kefla (although it doesn’t have them upside down ofc).
JT
2024-12-10 20:10:59 +0000 UTCIn the manga, Kefla had fought against Gohan instead of Goku. This was seen as a rather questionable decision by the community, to say the least. If Gohan won, it was going to bring up all sorts of questions about power scaling since Gohan would beat a fused character with no Kaioken or Ultra Instinct. If Kefla won, it meant creating anger from both Gohan being eliminated w/o getting to do much and also from the hate people still had for Caulifla and Kale in general. In the end, they eliminated each other in a draw. Make of it what you will. Reminder for DnD on why the manga and anime are so different: The DBS anime wasn’t based on the manga (as is common with anime), but rather a manuscript from Toriyama that provided basic notes on how the story should go. The manga was written by Toyotaro using this manuscript in conjunction with Toei’s writers, who adapted the same manuscript to write the anime. Most (if not all) of the T.o.P arc had come out before it even began in the manga, as the manga only released chapters monthly in contrast to the anime’s weekly episodes. If you read through this arc, you can tell that Toyotaro was trying to haul ass with the story so the manga could finally catch up to the anime.
JT
2024-12-10 20:02:49 +0000 UTCSo yeah, with Kefla’s elimination, fans effectively knew that U6 was most likely cooked. But hey, they still got the goats Saonel and Pilina so they got a chance, right? Namekian superiority!
JT
2024-12-10 20:02:26 +0000 UTCEpisode Elimination Name Puns o U6’s Kale and Caulifla/Kefla (kale and cauliflower, but you already knew that lol. Just being consistent) Fighters Remaining: 26/80
JT
2024-12-10 20:02:10 +0000 UTC
